I want everyone to see what Chemo does to your blood.

[i<3Shrooms]

http://tinyurl.com/l9e4lx

:eek: :eek:

[RAM]

Wow.

[The English Gentleman]

Cool story bro...

[Please insert username]

thats weird:O

[Mr.Happy]

To put the video in perspective, this is what untreated cancer does to you.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_sj6SUH6rTTU/R4cX0MUesuI/AAAAAAAACAs/au-raejn7Ik/s400/mouth_cancer_cr.jpg

[BaconPie]

That didn't even make sense.

"Here are some blood cells."
*Normal*
"Here are some blood cells three months after chemo."
*A bit wobbly*
"1 hour later" (wtf, 1 hour later after what?)
*mouldly shit that doesn't even look like the same magnification*

What the hell. 1 hour after what?

Also, I hate YouTube commenters. This is what one ANIMALKISSING had to say on the matter:
wow, this scary...I have had many life blood test done on me and have
seen many other peoples test...I have to say, I will never have
Chemotherapy which should by called nuclear explosion suicide therapy....

[Mr.Happy]

^ "nuclear explosion suicide therapy" actually made me lol my tits off when I read it in the comments.

[Fish]

Also, I hate YouTube commenters. This is what one ANIMALKISSING had to say on the matter:
wow, this scary...I have had many life blood test done on me and have
seen many other peoples test...I have to say, I will never have
Chemotherapy which should by called nuclear explosion suicide therapy....

Every time I see a youtube video, if I have the misfortune of seeing the comments, I get angry. There's a lot of ignorant folks, opinionated jackasses, and trolls..it's almost as bad as zokl...

...aw...I made myself feel bad :(

[LiquidIce]

^ It's allowing people who don't know how electricity works to use the Internet.

[Chris]

i hate youtube and love it at the same time, youtube would be great if it wasnt for the dipshit people. now everyone with a opinion and wikipedia is a fucking genius on there, all holier then thou.

[JREwing]

Complete bullshit, it doesn't even say what sort of chemo it is.

[Trix Are For Kids]

i hate youtube and love it at the same time, youtube would be great if it wasnt for the dipshit people. now everyone with a opinion and wikipedia is a fucking genius on there, all holier then thou.

It's holier THAN thou.:o

[i<3Shrooms]

To put the video in perspective, this is what untreated cancer does to you.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_sj6SUH6rTTU/R4cX0MUesuI/AAAAAAAACAs/au-raejn7Ik/s400/mouth_cancer_cr.jpg

LOL. Who said you couldn't treat your cancer?

What a fucking joke. You know what? Figure it out yourself. :rolleyes:

My country is a god damn disgrace. When did the majority of america turn into ignorant assholes willing to be passive sheep led by corporate and pharmaceutical greed? :(

[bizarro7777]

^ "nuclear explosion suicide therapy" actually made me lol my tits off when I read it in the comments.

That would be a SWEET band name...

[Mr.Happy]

LOL. Who said you couldn't treat your cancer?

What a fucking joke. You know what? Figure it out yourself. :rolleyes:

My country is a god damn disgrace. When did the majority of america turn into ignorant assholes willing to be passive sheep led by corporate and pharmaceutical greed? :(

Who said that chemotherapy actually does that to your blood cells? A YouTube video isn't any kind of proof. BaconPie's first post sums it up pretty nicely.

Chemotherapy can help cure cancer, and other treatments aren't always effective. If you get cancer and don't want it, fine. I'll take any treatment available to me if I do.

[AoxomoxoA]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/37/Necrotic_leg_wound.png

Untreated cancer ftl.

[Alec_Versalia]

Turns them into little fuzzy dancing thingys?

[nutsack]

All youtube videos aside, the chemicals used for chemotherapy are pretty damn potent. The side effects are better then cancer though.

[Magpie_Tendencies]

Assuming that video is true, I'd still rather have something that powerful killing off all the cancer cells than going and eating some herbs and hoping for the best.

[Syphilis]

I call bullshit here.

They don't say what kind of chemo, chemo drugs shouldn't even affect blood cells.

[nutsack]

* Pain
* Erythema
* Nausea
* Diarrhea or constipation
* Anemia
* Malnutrition
* Hair loss
* Memory loss
* Depression of the immune system, hence (potentially lethal) infections and sepsis
* Dehydration
* Vertigo
* Hematoma
* Dry mouth/ xerostomia
* Psychosocial distress
* Weight loss or gain
* Hemorrhage
* Water retention
* Sexual impotence
* Secondary neoplasms

Damage to specific organs may occur, with resultant symptoms:

* Cardiotoxicity (heart damage)
* Hepatotoxicity (liver damage)
* Nephrotoxicity (kidney damage)
* Ototoxicity (damage to the inner ear)

Some patients report fatigue or non-specific neurocognitive problems, such as an inability to concentrate; this is sometimes called post-chemotherapy cognitive impairment, referred to as "chemo brain" by patients' groups

Pretty harsh.

[Mr. White]

shit nigga

[nutsack]

Pretty harsh.

Edit: Ok, I know that you don't always die from cancer, but you only take chemo if the cancer is really bad, see?

In other words, if you don't at least try the chemo, it's practically certain you'll die.

The side effects are better then cancer though.

I'm not arguing that it's not worth it, just stating what the side effects are.

[Syphilis]

Cancer is far far worse than the drugs needed to cure it.

[OhShit]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/37/Necrotic_leg_wound.png

Untreated cancer ftl.

That would be necrosis, not cancer.

[Toxyn]

Why are my countrymen all so.... moronic? honestly! what happened?

[dedraic]

LOL. Who said you couldn't treat your cancer?

What a fucking joke. You know what? Figure it out yourself. :rolleyes:

My country is a god damn disgrace. When did the majority of america turn into ignorant assholes willing to be passive sheep led by corporate and pharmaceutical greed? :(

When did the counter culture start spewing as much propaganda as the dirty corporations in question?

Congratulations, you've found out that Chemo really, REALLY fucks you up. It's also fairly effective against the types of cancer it's used on and a completely voluntary procedure.

I have yet to hear one of the bile-spewers at current cancer therapies name any of the miracle drugs they claim exist and are being held back. Not to say it hasn't happened, but even the dudes who claim to know what's going on with that shit haven't named a compound from what I've seen.

I agree that the pharmaceutical companies are price-gouging assholes who are desperately trying to hold onto their monopoly to the detriment of the common man. I have yet to see any evidence backed up by fact that they have hundreds of miracle drugs for all types of cancer and disease hidden away in their underground space base or whatever the fuck else I've heard people claim.

[Rocko]

Beats dying, or getting arsenic rubbed on your skin by some fuckin Mexican witch doctor.

[Young Meth]

That didn't even make sense.

"Here are some blood cells."
*Normal*
"Here are some blood cells three months after chemo."
*A bit wobbly*
"1 hour later" (wtf, 1 hour later after what?)
*SPACE SHIT that doesn't even look like the same magnification*

[Σnigma]

Better than being dead, I guess.

[rabbitweed]

I hope this video gets really popular. That way, lots of morons will refuse chemo and die off.

[Daily]

That would be necrosis, not cancer.

This.

[rabbitweed]

This.

Whatever it was it gave me an engorged member.

[Spacko]

They said chemo would cure my cancer... They lied!


Learn the truth about chemo.


drugfreeworld.org

[Surprise Buttsecks]

They said chemo would cure my cancer... They lied!

Thank God for that.

[i<3Shrooms]

When did the counter culture start spewing as much propaganda as the dirty corporations in question?

Congratulations, you've found out that Chemo really, REALLY fucks you up. It's also fairly effective against the types of cancer it's used on and a completely voluntary procedure.

I have yet to hear one of the bile-spewers at current cancer therapies name any of the miracle drugs they claim exist and are being held back. Not to say it hasn't happened, but even the dudes who claim to know what's going on with that shit haven't named a compound from what I've seen.

I agree that the pharmaceutical companies are price-gouging assholes who are desperately trying to hold onto their monopoly to the detriment of the common man. I have yet to see any evidence backed up by fact that they have hundreds of miracle drugs for all types of cancer and disease hidden away in their underground space base or whatever the fuck else I've heard people claim.

Its obvious from your post you aren't knowledgeable enough to be debating on this subject.

The cure for cancer doesn't lie in some "compound" that man can manufacture. Its all around us.

And as for the bolded portion of your post, wtf? Are you high? Who said anything about miracle cures? Rest assured, if they had them they would be in use today. Because if pharmaceutical companies can manufacture it in a laboratory, they can patent it. And patenting = exclusive windfall profits, monopoly, price gouging, etc. which big pharma loves up. (Hey, who doesn't like money?) Obviously none of this would work if the public knew that they could more easily treat their maladies without paying hundreds and hundreds for a some pills. :rolleyes:

The medical establishment is heavily steeped in drug company money, it influences pretty much every mainstream medical school, hospital, and doctor through grants, programs, i.e MONEY. Thus, the illusion propagates. Are you starting to see the bigger picture here?

Yes, chemo is effective. But even more so are the multitude of compounds and nutrients that you are most probably very deficient in. The things humans used to survive on. ;) Oh, and stop eating those hot dogs and processed sugars, while you can.. xD

Plainly said, drug companies have paid billions of dollars over many years to make you believe that there is no other hope for cancer than the "cures" they can offer you. And, obviously, it worked very well.

Further Reading:
"The Doors Of Perception: Why Americans Will Believe Almost Anything"
http://tinyurl.com/4xclql

[nutsack]

And as for the bolded portion of your post, wtf? Are you high? Who said anything about miracle cures? Rest assured, if they had them they would be in use today. Because if pharmaceutical companies can manufacture it in a laboratory, they can patent it. And patenting = exclusive windfall profits, monopoly, price gouging, etc. which big pharma loves up. (Hey, who doesn't like money?) Obviously none of this would work if the public knew that they could more easily treat their maladies without paying hundreds and hundreds for a some pills.

The medical establishment is heavily steeped in drug company money, it influences pretty much every mainstream medical school, hospital, and doctor through grants, programs, i.e MONEY. Thus, the illusion propagates. Are you starting to see the bigger picture here?

Firstly, this is zoklet. A surprising number of the people who post here are high. While I agree with some of the things you are saying about pharmaceutical companies, it's not really relevant when it comes to cancer treatment. There is no easy way to treat it.

Yes, chemo is effective. But even more so are the multitude of compounds and nutrients that you are most probably very deficient in.

Even more so? Effective at what exactly? You're getting pretty close to saying that nutrients kill cancer cells. Sure you're healthier when you're getting all the right nutrients, and if you avoid certain things then your risk of developing cancer is lower, but that's not going to help you much once cancer starts to develop. Either post a study where a "natural" compound is more effective at killing cancer cells then other common treatments, or stop spouting claims.

[rabbit boy]

Apparently, most chemotherapy drugs cause their unwanted damage by disrupting cell division. So parts of the body that divide rapidly such as bone marrow, hair follicles, and the lining of the digestive system are damaged most. The point is to kill cancer cells, which also divide rapidly.

http://www.cancersymptoms.org/fatigue/cancer.shtml

As this page points out, it's the bone marrow cells that are affected, which inhibits the production of red blood cells and therefore causes anemia. Perhaps the video was of stem cells from bone marrow, rather than red blood cells. If those actually were red blood cells, then whatever kind of chemotherapy that is would be doing a double whammy on your blood.

[Mr.Happy]

Yes, chemo is effective. But even more so are the multitude of compounds and nutrients that you are most probably very deficient in. The things humans used to survive on. ;) Oh, and stop eating those hot dogs and processed sugars, while you can.. xD

People have been getting cancer for thousands of years. It's not a modern affliction.

Pray tell, just what do these 'compounds and nutrients' that our modern diets lack do to stop cancer?

[nutsack]

People have been getting cancer for thousands of years. It's not a modern affliction.

Pray tell, just what do these 'compounds and nutrients' that our modern diets lack do to stop cancer?

I have an 80% chance of developing bowel cancer sometime in my life, so forgive me if I don't give two shits about nutrients that may or may not slightly affect the risk. People can get cancer for all sorts of reasons which are seemingly random, and there's better reasons to eat healthy.

Ironically enough I get a free scan every couple of years which means my risk of dying from it is actually lower then the regular population ;)
They can just nip it off at the bud if it ever starts.

[i<3Shrooms]

Firstly, this is zoklet. A surprising number of the people who post here are high. While I agree with some of the things you are saying about pharmaceutical companies, it's not really relevant when it comes to cancer treatment. There is no easy way to treat it.



Even more so? Effective at what exactly? You're getting pretty close to saying that nutrients kill cancer cells. Sure you're healthier when you're getting all the right nutrients, and if you avoid certain things then your risk of developing cancer is lower, but that's not going to help you much once cancer starts to develop. Either post a study where a "natural" compound is more effective at killing cancer cells then other common treatments, or stop spouting claims.
Nutrients kill cancer cells. Im not going to spoon-feed you, this information is easy to find, use Google, keep an open mind and don't be so pig headed.

People have been getting cancer for thousands of years. It's not a modern affliction.

Pray tell, just what do these 'compounds and nutrients' that our modern diets lack do to stop cancer?
Ok. First, come back here with some figures for the difference in cancer rates in indigenous tribes, old world cultures, etc. and the people in the modernized western society. And lets not forget the fact that the health of the Japanese is among the best in the world, but now that they are starting to develop western culture (Processed foods, red meats, high sugar and high fat diets), their health is quickly deteriorating. Is that something that can be ignored? If it is to you, please leave this thread.


I have an 80% chance of developing bowel cancer sometime in my life, so forgive me if I don't give two shits about nutrients that may or may not slightly affect the risk. People can get cancer for all sorts of reasons which are seemingly random, and there's better reasons to eat healthy.

Ironically enough I get a free scan every couple of years which means my risk of dying from it is actually lower then the regular population ;)
They can just nip it off at the bud if it ever starts.
What kind of free scan?

[nutsack]

Nutrients kill cancer cells. Im not going to spoon-feed you, this information is easy to find, use Google, keep an open mind and don't be so pig headed.

You make the claims, you back them up.

Ok. First, come back here with some figures for the difference in cancer rates in indigenous tribes, old world cultures, etc. and the people in the modernized western society. And lets not forget the fact that the health of the Japanese is among the best in the world, but now that they are starting to develop western culture (Processed foods, red meats, high sugar and high fat diets), their health is quickly deteriorating. Is that something that can be ignored? If it is to you, please leave this thread.

Of course diet has an effect, especially on bowel cancer. My country has one of the highest rates of bowel cancer due in part to the amount of red meat we eat. This doesn't mean you can cure cancer by eating healthy.

What kind of free scan?

Colonoscopy

[rabbit boy]

a post

You should find some legitimate sources to back up your claims, like studies done on cancer. And please avoid conspiracy theory websites and websites about "natural remedies."

[i<3Shrooms]

You make the claims, you back them up.



Of course diet has an effect, especially on bowel cancer. My country has one of the highest rates of bowel cancer due in part to the amount of red meat we eat. This doesn't mean you can cure cancer by eating healthy.



Colonoscopy
Cancer is prevented from happening by eating healthy and other lifestyle choices. And unless you can come up with the info yourself, you lazy nigger, then you can enjoy your colon cancer. If you view my previous posts on the issues of health, you can see I've already pointed in the right direction. :D


This message is hidden because rabbit boy is on your ignore list.

[negz]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4312930190281243507

http://negzor.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/world-without-cancer.pdf

[The Jitterskull]

There's so much info out there that circumvent chemo because of how toxic it is, I still wonder why people go through it.

I think its NHL that needs it and is successful, or maybe it was HL.

Either way, chemo is a good way of making your last few days on earth looking forward to cancer finally killing you.

[Mr.Happy]

Ok. First, come back here with some figures for the difference in cancer rates in indigenous tribes, old world cultures, etc. and the people in the modernized western society. And lets not forget the fact that the health of the Japanese is among the best in the world, but now that they are starting to develop western culture (Processed foods, red meats, high sugar and high fat diets), their health is quickly deteriorating. Is that something that can be ignored? If it is to you, please leave this thread.

Indigenous tribes have cancer. Old world cultures have cancer. The Japanese have cancer.

Like black said, diet will affect your risk of cancer, but it's not a cure and it's not a preventative. You're completely ignoring all the other factors affecting the cancer rates of those groups you mentioned (and check the life expectancy of indigenous tribes and old world cultures; cancer isn't the only indicator of general health).

Nutrients do not "kill cancer cells".

[rabbit boy]

This message is hidden because rabbit boy is on your ignore list.

I believe this is the first thread I've posted in with him. So he's just avoiding answering. Anyone else want to back him up and look up legitimate resources for his cause?

edit: doing some research. I've seen a few legitimate articles supporting what he says. I'll post them soon.

[Akagi]

Of course diet has an effect, especially on bowel cancer. My country has one of the highest rates of bowel cancer due in part to the amount of red meat we eat.

I think this has more to do with sodium nitrate/nitrite rather than red meat itself.

I'd like to see a study done that compared incidences of bowel cancer between vegans/vegetarians, those who eat nonprocessed meats, and those who eat processed meats.

I predict that the cancer rates should be disproportionately higher among those who eat processed meats, but should be more or less the same amongst the others.

[JREwing]

I think its NHL that needs it and is successful, or maybe it was HL.
.

Its both, really, but it only forces lymphoma into remission, the actual disease remains. HL is what I have, I spend a lot of time in the cancer ward at the hospital, and chemo works for an awful lot of people with varied types of cancer. It doesn't work for a lot of patients though, a lot of NHL people and lung cancer patients still die. I met a lung cancer patient, they didn't even bother starting him on chemo.

Cancer doctors are assholes though, you should see the arguing I have to do to get sleeping pills and lorazepam off them. They won't even give me xanax while I'm getting chemo anymore as it makes me sleepy and forgetful. I explained to them that I WANT to be sleepy and forgetful when getting chemo, but they didn't care. Thats the sort of mentality you have to deal with.

[The Jitterskull]

Its both, really, but it only forces lymphoma into remission, the actual disease remains. HL is what I have, I spend a lot of time in the cancer ward at the hospital, and chemo works for an awful lot of people with varied types of cancer. It doesn't work for a lot of patients though, a lot of NHL people and lung cancer patients still die. I met a lung cancer patient, they didn't even bother starting him on chemo.

Cancer doctors are assholes though, you should see the arguing I have to do to get sleeping pills and lorazepam off them. They won't even give me xanax while I'm getting chemo anymore as it makes me sleepy and forgetful. I explained to them that I WANT to be sleepy and forgetful when getting chemo, but they didn't care. Thats the sort of mentality you have to deal with.

Are you going to be able to recover!? :(

[crimsonsmoke]

http://slog.thestranger.com/files/2008/05/37721304---tom_cruise_scientology.jpg

Untreated cancer.

[JREwing]

Are you going to be able to recover!? :(

I have the most common subtype of the mildest form of cancer there is, Nodular Sclerosing Hodgkin's Lymphoma, I expect to recover from it fine, but it already attacked me and I had to have major surgery to remove the lining of my heart, remove fluid and dead tissue and swollen lymph nodes.

I had cancer growing in my left lung, which made me cough when I lay down, and I had a huge sore lump grow suddenly on the centre of my throat, that the ultrasound dude said was definitely cancer. I was worried when I found out, it was really spreading quickly. I started chemo the very next day after the ultrasound, the lump just faded away over the next three days or so.

Chemo leaves me incredible sick, tired, forgetful and mentally fucked up for a week and a half afterwards. However I have no doubt that it works, it is a brutal form of treatment though. I am lucky to have a cancer that is reproducing and spreading fast, those ones respond the best to chemo. I did meet a lot of other cancer patients in the hospital, a lot the chemo just wasn't killing their cancer and they were getting radiation therapy and everything. The patients with the worst problems seem to have the best attitude about life though.

[rabbit boy]

Okay, first article. It's from 1995.

http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Power+foods:+looking+at+how+nutrients+may+fight+ca ncer-a016907168

I found the source, and it was in a magazine called "Science News." I believe I have heard of it before... I was speaking to my chemistry teacher about some article I had read and I told him I had read it in the science news, and he thought I was referring to the magazine. He didn't seem to think it was reliable. Still, it doesn't look too bad, so I'll see what I can glean from this.

First two things mentioned are antioxidants and retinoids.

Many people, including cancer specialists, now take supplements of antioxidants common in fruits and vegetables. And some physicians give them to patients in hopes of preventing or curing cancer. Physicians are also using retinoids, vitamin A analogs found in dairy products, to fight cancer. However, only recently have scientists begun to understand how these nutrients combat cancer cells.

Research indicates that some of the key cancer-fighting ingredients in fruits and vegetables include the antioxidants beta-carotene, glutathione, and vitamins E and C.

The article mentions that retinoids can have side effects and appear more effective than vitamin E and beta-carotene, two of the antioxidants.

Doses of the vitamin A derivative all-trans retinoic acid put virtually all patients with acute promyelocytic leukemia (APL) into remission, he says. However, they still require chemotherapy to help prevent them from relapsing, and many patients develop a resistance to retinoic acid.

People with this uncommon disease have a mutation in the DNA of a retinoic acid receptor. This probably explains why supplements of retinoic acid have such a dramatic effect, Warrell asserts.

Interesting. This is, however, a rare form of cancer. It's a subtype of acute myeloid leukemia, or AML.

Acute myeloid leukemia is a relatively rare cancer. There are approximately 10,500 new cases each year in the United States, and the incidence rate has remained stable from 1995 through 2005. AML accounts for 1.2% of all cancer deaths in the United States.[1]

Acute promyelocytic leukemia represents 5-8% of AML in adults. The median age is approximately 40 years, which is considerably younger than the other subtypes of AML (70 years). The incidence is increased in patients originated in Latin American countries.[3]

Yeah, not common at all. Here is what Wikipedia says about its treatment.

Treatment

APL is unique among the leukemias distinguished by its sensitivity to all-trans retinoic acid (ATRA), a derivative of vitamin A. Treatment with ATRA causes differentiation of the immature leukemic promyelocytes into mature granulocytes. ATRA is typically combined with anthracycline based chemotherapy resulting in a clinical remission in approximately 90% of patients.

ATRA therapy is associated with the unique side effect of retinoic acid syndrome.[4] This is associated with the development of dyspnea, fever, weight gain, peripheral edema and is treated with dexamethasone. The etiology of retinoic acid syndrome has been attributed to capillary leak syndrome from cytokine release from the differentiating promyelocytes.

Allogeneic stem cell transplant is a treatment option in APL. Remission with use of arsenic trioxide has been reported.[5]

So a particular retinoid called ATRA, when used in combination with other chemotherapy, can kick this kind of cancer's butt. Interestingly, ATRA is also an acne medication called Tretinoin.

Then they go into studies with other retinoids and cancer.

Fifteen months ago, his group began testing two new retinoic acids on 43 patients with advanced APL, lymphoma, various solid tumors, or lung cancer, he reported at the annual meeting of the American Association for Cancer Research in March.

The patients take either a natural or a synthetic retinoid and no other cancer drug. The study's single APL patient not previously treated with retinoic acid has gone into complete remission, and the two lung cancer patients have stabilized, Warrell says.

Alright, we already know about APL. Lung cancer is something new. Some more articles on it.

Retinoids in Lung Cancer: Friend, Foe, or Fellow Traveler? (http://jco.ascopubs.org/cgi/content/full/22/17/3435)
Vitamin A derivative associated with reduced growth in some lung cells (http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2007-10/jotn-ad102507.php)

The latter article is somewhat recent, from October 2007. It says that retinoic acid slowed growth in the parabasal layer, but not the basal layer of lung cells. I'm... not quite sure what these layers are, but oh well.

Now, what about the other 40 cancer patients in that study from the article? Hmm... The impression I'm getting is that antioxidants and retinoids are effective with certain kinds of cancer, but not others.

Apparently, in most cases nutrients and antioxidants are not enough on their own. The article goes on to talk mostly about how antioxidants and retinoids can aid chemotherapy treatments, and how they might work. On the other hand, they actually make radiation treatment less effective, so they say to stop taking the supplements a few days before treatment.

A couple other caveats:

However, he expresses concern about the effects of antioxidants and retinoids, starting with his observation that antioxidants don't eliminate or prevent all tumors. If hardier cancer cells survive, "you could eventually produce bigger and better tumors," he says.

Because they may enhance the body's normal immune response, large doses of antioxidants can worsen canker sores and could theoretically enhance or exacerbate the onset of other autoimmune diseases, such as juvenile diabetes, Schwartz contends.


Here's another related article I found. This is from November 2003.

New pathway found to enhance cancer treatment (http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2003-11/dms-npf110503.php)

It talks about some proteins that when deactivated increase the efficacy of retinoids. It also explains how retinoids work.

Dartmouth Medical School (DMS) research points to a potentially larger role for retinoids in the treatment of cancer. The removal of a cell protein called RIP140 has significantly enhanced the cancer treatment and prevention abilities of retinoids in a laboratory setting.

...

"Once RIP140 was removed, growth of cancer cells was repressed by retinoids at a faster rate compared to experiments where RIP140 was present," said Kristina White, who performed the experiments with Mark Yore, both graduate students in pharmacology and toxicology. "We also noticed that anticancer genes known to be turned on by retinoids were turned on to a much greater extent," said White.

Retinoids have been known to have anti-tumor properties in the clinical setting. Based on laboratory findings, retinoids have the potential to treat and prevent a variety of leukemia and solid cancers, primarily by causing cancers to "mature" or "differentiate" and thus more closely resemble normal cells. This strategy may have less severe side-affects compared to conventional chemotherapy and may be a particularly valuable strategy in preventing cancer in high-risk individuals. However, thus far retinoids have only proven to be useful toward a small subset of cancer types in people.

"We were surprised at how much better retinoids worked in RIP140-free cells," said Michael Spinella, PhD, assistant professor of pharmacology and toxicology and a member of the Norris Cotton Cancer Center, "When we knocked RIP140 out of the cancer cells, they began to differentiate within two days; it usually takes five days to see any change in the cells."

A quick web search, however, does not seem to show any significant breakthroughs with RIP140, aka NRIP1.

There's one other article that I saw while doing some research.

http://www.naturalnews.com/020839.html

It's about Indole-3-carbinol. Once again, they suggest using it in combination with chemotherapy, as it isn't enough on its own to do much.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indole-3-carbinol

There's the Wikipedia article.

I'm tired of researching this stuff. Basically, what I get is that certain nutrients can be supportive in preventing and fighting cancer. However, except in rare cases like APL, it's not likely that they'll stop cancer on their own.

[nutsack]

Cancer is prevented from happening by eating healthy and other lifestyle choices. And unless you can come up with the info yourself, you lazy nigger, then you can enjoy your colon cancer. If you view my previous posts on the issues of health, you can see I've already pointed in the right direction. :D

Of course your diet and lifestyle has an effect on your chance of getting cancer, I never said it doesn't. It pretty much goes without saying for fucks sake. What I'm saying is that once you DO get cancer (which can happen no matter how healthy you are due to genetics or whatever) you need REAL treatment if you're going to have a chance of surviving it. Healthy diet and lifestyle is only prevention.

And calling me a lazy nigger because you can't be bothered sourcing your claims? What the fuck?