Who's Responsible For Rape?

[Dog]

I was reading some article about how 1/3 of Brits think that women are partially responsible in certain circumstances.

I would agree. Obviously it shouldn't deflect any wrongdoing from the actual assailaint, but that doesn't mean in some (many?) cases that the woman could have prevented it.

What do I mean? Consider muggings. The vast majority can be completely prevented by taking some precautions: Don't flash money or desirable items around, be wary of what type of neighborhood you're in, avoid bad, poorly lit areas, and be vigilant. I was mugged 5 or 6 years ago, and if I had been simply used some common sense, I could have likely avoided it. In other words, it was partially my fault. (Certainly, I'm not suggesting that all crime situations can be avoided, but many, MANY can; those are the ones to which I'm referring)

As I see it, crime is just as natural and inevitable as the rain. You know it's out there, and you should take precautions. If you don't, then when crime strikes you'll find yourself in trouble in part by your own doing. I suppose the controversy in such questions lies in the fact that "you're partially responsible" has a different connotation from "you could have prevented it".

Obviously, this doesn't remove any blame from the criminal for his actions, but there's definitely truth in the statement that you can be "asking for it", depending on the situation. If someone walked around the ghetto with their iPod in hand and a wad of cash in the other, I think most would say "You were asking for it, dumbass". But when the issue of rape comes up, it's somehow out of line to say that a woman was asking for it, if she was walking around drunk, surrounding by male strangers, and showing her sexual assets.

Thoughts?

[VVeathers]

I don't think any decent person would rape someone just because they were cock teased. Yeah it's annoying as fuck when you get led on all night, go back for some loving and get denied, but that doesn't make it the chick's fault if she gets raped.

The whole morning after regret then call the cops and say you were raped thing is bullshit but at the end of day no means no regardless if she's already got you warmed up.

[Dog]

I don't think any decent person would rape someone just because they were cock teased. Yeah it's annoying as fuck when you get led on all night, go back for some loving and get denied, but that doesn't make it the chick's fault if she gets raped.

The whole morning after regret then call the cops and say you were raped thing is bullshit but at the end of day no means no regardless if she's already got you warmed up.

If you're going to bother posting in a thread, you should take the time to read the fucking original post. It's clear that you didn't, based on everything you've just written.

Where did I mention "decent people"? I talked about rapists, muggers, and criminals.

Where did I say "It's the chick's fault"? Nowhere. I said that in many cases rape could be prevented by common sense, in the same way that most muggings can be prevented by common sense.

Ultimately, it comes down to a somewhat semantic question and moral issue of whether having the power to prevent something imparts someone with some responsibility in the matter. Does a woman have the right to dress in revealing clothes, get drunk, and be flirty with several men? Sure. Just as I have the right to dress in fancy clothes and count a wad of cash as I walk through a housing project.

That doesn't change the fact that you'd have to be an idiot to do either one of those things and not expect to risk attracting criminals. Does it make the criminal less culpable of a crime? Absolutely not, but if the victim could have prevented the crime by simply not putting herself (or himself) in the risky situation, then I think the victim is certainly somewhat responsible for what happens to them.

[ComradeRock]

Let me start by saying I am in no way a fan of rapists. I think that is one of the worst crimes a person could commit.

That being said I would say in every case I know of a girl being raped (pretty much every girl I know has been with only 1 or 2 exceptions.) The girl is very much at guilt. Every story starts out with "I was at a party and we were all getting drunk..." or "I was walking home from a party after doing a bunch of E..." and almost in all cases they will admit to having revealing clothing on. They were just asking for it.

This is all just based on what I've heard I am sure there are cases where the woman did no wrong and ended up in a nasty situation, but I would say the majority of rape cases could have been prevented with a little common sense.

[VVeathers]

If you're going to bother posting in a thread, you should take the time to read the fucking original post. It's clear that you didn't, based on everything you've just written.

Where did I mention "decent people"? I talked about rapists, muggers, and criminals.

Where did I say "It's the chick's fault"? Nowhere. I said that in many cases rape could be prevented by common sense, in the same way that most muggings can be prevented by common sense.

Ultimately, it comes down to a somewhat semantic question and moral issue of whether having the power to prevent something imparts someone with some responsibility in the matter. Does a woman have the right to dress in revealing clothes, get drunk, and be flirty with several men? Sure. Just as I have the right to dress in fancy clothes and count a wad of cash as I walk through a housing project.

That doesn't change the fact that you'd have to be an idiot to do either one of those things and not expect to risk attracting criminals. Does it make the criminal less culpable of a crime? Absolutely not, but if the victim could have prevented the crime by simply not putting herself (or himself) in the risky situation, then I think the victim is certainly somewhat responsible for what happens to them.


I'm not claiming you said any of those things. You said discuss. I gave my opinion.

[Dream of the iris]

you're right about many cases that could have been avoided but I mean what are you going to do...punish stupidity?

[Dog]

you're right about many cases that could have been avoided but I mean what are you going to do...punish stupidity?

Nah, just spread common sense. If you take a look around any club or party on a weekend night, it's clear that a lot of young women aren't using it, and I think that a big part of that comes from how taboo it is to point out that women do have some control over bad things that can happen to them.

[VVeathers]

The thing with about the money is different though. You might get mugged for flashing your cash because then they know you have it.

It doesn't matter what a chick's wearing to a rapist, he still knows he can rape her.

EDIT: I agree though, that if someone goes for a stroll where someone's been raped every night for the last year that they're retarded.

[Lord_BTY]

"So, Mr. Smith: you threw this woman into an alley; cut off her head and ripped off her jaw with your bare hands. You then proceeded to violate every orifice with your semen, tear up her insides and faunicate with her intestines. How on earth could you possibly justify such a vile and repulsive act?"

*sigh*

She was wearing a provocative dress... :/

MWAH XXXX

[Dog]

"So, Mr. Smith: you threw this woman into an alley; cut off her head and ripped off her jaw with your bare hands. You then proceeded to violate every orifice with your semen, tear up her insides and faunicate with her intestines. How on earth could you possibly justify such a vile and repulsive act?"

*sigh*

She was wearing a provocative dress... :/

MWAH XXXX

You're missing the point, genius. For starters: Not all rapes are the violent, grab-a-women-in-an-alley kind. If I recall correctly, most occur in ambiguous conditions, and usually are along the lines of taking advantage of someone, or not listening when they decide they want to stop. In any case, there are multiple factors that all can contribute to attracting the attention of a rapist (whether it's a violent attacker or some guy that will take advantage of you if given the chance. Provocative or revealing dress can contribute in some cases. Is clothing going to be the determining factor if a rapist is stalking some lone girl on the way home? No.

However, it would likely be a factor in a typical party situation. A lot of times the justification used by predators is that the girl wanted sex, and guess what? Being drunk, flirty, and dressed in revealing outfits projects that idea. Is it "right" that it projects that idea? Who cares, because it's the reality.

All in all, I doubt that one's clothing is the biggest factor in preventing rape. More important factors are probably monitoring one's drinking, who one is with, and where one is.

Still...the girl that goes clubbing with her ass hanging out of her short skirt is probably going to be getting a lot more unwanted attention than the other girls in the club.

[muff_daddy]

I think the mind of a rapist is probably a little bit warped to begin with. Even looking at a rapist probably considered provocation to a rapist.

[Lord_BTY]

You're missing the point, genius. For starters: Not all rapes are the violent, grab-a-women-in-an-alley kind. If I recall correctly, most occur in ambiguous conditions, and usually are along the lines of taking advantage of someone, or not listening when they decide they want to stop. In any case, there are multiple factors that all can contribute to attracting the attention of a rapist (whether it's a violent attacker or some guy that will take advantage of you if given the chance. Provocative or revealing dress can contribute in some cases. Is clothing going to be the determining factor if a rapist is stalking some lone girl on the way home? No.

However, it would likely be a factor in a typical party situation. A lot of times the justification used by predators is that the girl wanted sex, and guess what? Being drunk, flirty, and dressed in revealing outfits projects that idea. Is it "right" that it projects that idea? Who cares, because it's the reality.

All in all, I doubt that one's clothing is the biggest factor in preventing rape. More important factors are probably monitoring one's drinking, who one is with, and where one is.

Still...the girl that goes clubbing with her ass hanging out of her short skirt is probably going to be getting a lot more unwanted attention than the other girls in the club.

Joke... not a serious rhetoric...

I'm sorry for violating your little thread... Now I see that it's quite precious to you...

Would you..

Would you like a hug?

MWAH XXXX

[ComradeRock]

Joke... not a serious rhetoric...

I'm sorry for violating your little thread... Now I see that it's quite precious to you...

Would you..

Would you like a hug?

MWAH XXXX

Hahaha if it makes you feel any better: I got the joke. I laughed so hard and hand to show it to one of my friends.

lol good stuff man.

[Struwwelpeter]

No surprise this thread was made by a negro.

[Frank]

I get the point you're trying to make but the problem isn't slutty, partially dressed drunk girls, the problem is demented men who get off by hurting women.

I agree, some women need some common sense implants because it's a scary world and everyone is aware of these dangers and most don't take them seriously until they happen.The fact that they're so trusting and innocent by nature makes the rapists that much more fucked up, especially when date rape is concerned.

With that said I believe castration should be the mandatory punishment for rape, molestation and child porn.

[Struwwelpeter]

With that said I believe castration should be the mandatory punishment for rape, molestation and child porn.

Why?

[Dog]

I get the point you're trying to make but the problem isn't slutty, partially dressed drunk girls, the problem is demented men who get off by hurting women.

I agree, some women need some common sense implants because it's a scary world and everyone is aware of these dangers and most don't take them seriously until they happen.The fact that they're so trusting and innocent by nature makes the rapists that much more fucked up, especially when date rape is concerned.

With that said I believe castration should be the mandatory punishment for rape, molestation and child porn.

Yes, we all know: Rapists are social scum. What's your point? How does that have ANYTHING to do with the fact that they are out there preying on people?

By the way, you can shove that castration melodrama up your ass. Rape (violent or non-violent) is not the worst thing that can happen to a woman by ANY measure. Acting as though it's so incredibly terrible is just as bad as acting like it's nothing. Acting like it's no big deal implies that women don't mind being used as sex tools by anyone who is interested, and acting like it's terrible and horrific implies that sex is the center of a woman's existence. Neither idea is positive toward women.

Psychologists have found that a person's reaction to a traumatic event determines the future psychological consequences, not the actual severity of the event. The "hype" that we place on rape probably causes more damage than anything else. Any person in a mugging, assault, or rape situation will fear for their life to a more or less equal extent. You can't say that a rape victim is more afraid than a guy who is faced with a knife or a group of thugs. It's also quite a leap to assume that a woman who was threatened, beaten, and raped faced much more distress and trauma than a woman who was only threatened and beaten.

I'm not saying this to be pro-rape or anything, but just pointing out that 1) we assign an unreasonable amount of seriousness to the crime of rape, and 2) that tendency may end up causing more damage than the actual crime. Food for thought.

[Epique]

you're right about many cases that could have been avoided but I mean what are you going to do...punish stupidity?

we should not punish them. possibly sterilize them and lock them away for their own safety and the safety of the people around them but not punish.

[Slave of the Beast]

I was reading some article about how 1/3 of Brits think that women are partially responsible in certain circumstances.

I'd like to know the demographics behind that survey, as well as the source.

[Frank]

Why?

Why not?If you act like you have no dick why should you have one?

Yes, we all know: Rapists are social scum. What's your point? What's your point? Rapists aren't social scum we should accept them?


How does that have ANYTHING to do with the fact that they are out there preying on people?It has EVERYTHING to do with the fact that they're out there preying on people.

By the way, you can shove that castration melodrama up your ass. Rape (violent or non-violent) is not the worst thing that can happen to a woman by ANY measure.It's pretty damn close, you wouldn't know however because you're not a woman and you've never been raped. Ni ether have I and I don't intend on it so I'll just take the word from the thousands who've been raped and just assume it's as bad they make it out to be.

Acting as though it's so incredibly terrible is just as bad as acting like it's nothing. Acting like it's no big deal implies that women don't mind being used as sex tools by anyone who is interested, and acting like it's terrible and horrific implies that sex is the center of a woman's existence.:facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm: :facepalm:I think you need read this one over buddy. I'm astonished at how you contradict yourself. By your logic if you think rape is bad, it's the same as trivializing it and you also believe women exist solely for sex. What you're implying here is if you're pro rape, you're pro rape, if you're against rape, you're pro rape. What a case of "damned if you do damned if you don't".

Psychologists have found that a person's reaction to a traumatic event determines the future psychological consequences, not the actual severity of the event.Women don't react to rape as if it's a walk in the park like you keep implying. It's embarrassing, degrading, painful and frightening. They blame themselves and they go through the rest of their lives associating those horrible feelings with men and sex.

The "hype" that we place on rape probably causes more damage than anything else. Any person in a mugging, assault, or rape situation will fear for their life to a more or less equal extent.So I assume The "hype" we put around murder is just that, "hype", It's not terrible because it's made out to be so terrible? What?!

You can't say that a rape victim is more afraid than a guy who is faced with a knife or a group of thugs. It's also quite a leap to assume that a woman who was threatened, beaten, and raped faced much more distress and trauma than a woman who was only threatened and beaten.To compare rape and being held at knife point is quite a leap. People who've been held a knife point don't develop a second personality to deal with the trauma and they don't sit in the shower while cradling their knees. And yes you can assume being beaten, threatened and raped is worse than just being beaten and threatened. That's like saying being covered in feathers is the same as being covered in steaming hot tar then feathers.

I'm not saying this to be pro-rape or anything, but just pointing out that 1) we assign an unreasonable amount of seriousness to the crime of rapeThat's because it's one of the most serious crimes one can commit. It's creepy that you don't see it that way

Food for thought.I always enjoy a decent topic but you've given me no food for thought. I don't need to be convinced that rape is as bad as it's made out to be because I know it is. I've seen the aftermath of people in real life and it truly fucks their lives up for a long time.

But instead of theorizing why not get locked up and drop the soap and see if rape really is a big deal.

Oh, and /thread

[Miaow]

If you get hit by a car, is it your fault? Maybe, depending if you jumped out in front of the car/weren't looking.

It's not your fault when the driver is aiming for you and deliberately hits you.

/crap analogy.

That's my opinion anyway.

[Dog]

I think you need read this one over buddy. I'm astonished at how you contradict yourself. By your logic if you think rape is bad, it's the same as trivializing it and you also believe women exist solely for sex. What you're implying here is if you're pro rape, you're pro rape, if you're against rape, you're pro rape. What a case of "damned if you do damned if you don't".

I think you need to learn how to read. What the hell are you talking about? I said that describing rape as one of the worst things out there is just as bad as trivializing it. Why? Because it implies that sex alone is somehow more significant to a woman than having her life threatened, or being severely beaten.

You only think that rape is so serious because of the extreme stigma around it, and you don't have any perspective of how it actually compares to other violations.

Sitting in your armchair, it's easy for you to trivialize being robbed at knife/gunpoint or beaten by a group of thugs, but such events make someone fear for their life as much, if not moreso than a rape victim, it humilitates the victim, and the effects can last for years afterward. I knew a kid who, like me, was significantly changed after getting mugged, so noticeably that I actually asked him why he seemed so different. Likewise, I know another guy that was attacked unprovoked by a group of people in a back room at a party, one of whom broke a bottle across his face, in addition to the beating. Do you really think he just forgot about it and is not paranoid every time he sees a group of young people or enters a quiet room at a party? Trivializing these things as being "less traumatic" or "less serious" is just truly naive.

Obviously, I think rape makes a violent assault worse, but the idea that any type of rape is automatically worse than an armed mugging or a violent assault is just absurd.

home.sandiego.edu/~baber/research/rape.pdf
I'm not the only one that sees the absurdity in such claims. A woman wrote the above article.

[Dog]

I'd like to know the demographics behind that survey, as well as the source.

It was somewhere on BBC. I don't know/care if it's true...it was just the spark for this thread. I guess I could have omitted it... :p

[Frank]

I think you need to learn how to read. What the hell are you talking about? I said that describing rape as one of the worst things out there is just as bad as trivializing it. Why? Because it implies that sex alone is somehow more significant to a woman than having her life threatened, or being severely beaten.

You only think that rape is so serious because of the extreme stigma around it, and you don't have any perspective of how it actually compares to other violations.

Sitting in your armchair, it's easy for you to trivialize being robbed at knife/gunpoint or beaten by a group of thugs, but such events make someone fear for their life as much, if not moreso than a rape victim, it humilitates the victim, and the effects can last for years afterward. I knew a kid who, like me, was significantly changed after getting mugged, so noticeably that I actually asked him why he seemed so different. Likewise, I know another guy that was attacked unprovoked by a group of people in a back room at a party, one of whom broke a bottle across his face, in addition to the beating. Do you really think he just forgot about it and is not paranoid every time he sees a group of young people or enters a quiet room at a party? Trivializing these things as being "less traumatic" or "less serious" is just truly naive.

Obviously, I think rape makes a violent assault worse, but the idea that any type of rape is automatically worse than an armed mugging or a violent assault is just absurd.

home.sandiego.edu/~baber/research/rape.pdf
I'm not the only one that sees the absurdity in such claims. A woman wrote the above article.

I've come to the conclusion that you're a troll. I'm done here.

[Resign the King]

I don't think it's reasonable to say woman are 'asking for it' by dressing skimpy and going to a party or club around a lot of men. Would you say a girl is responsible for date rape by having a boyfriend? Then why would she be responsible by acting sexually around men, it's pretty natural.

It's not dangerous to dress skimpy and be sexual, a lot of girls do it without being raped (it's a natural thing to do), it's not something that's asking for it. It could happen no matter how they acted or dressed, their boyfriend, teacher, random stranger could do it, it doesn't rely on them, it relies on the people around them.

As far as it being more serious or less serious then mugging, or other crime, who cares? Rape is a serious crime no matter how you look at it. I personally would rather be mugged then raped but that's irrelevant I would want neither.

[Dog]

I don't think it's reasonable to say woman are 'asking for it' by dressing skimpy and going to a party or club around a lot of men. Would you say a girl is responsible for date rape by having a boyfriend? Then why would she be responsible by acting sexually around men, it's pretty natural.

It's not dangerous to dress skimpy and be sexual, a lot of girls do it without being raped (it's a natural thing to do), it's not something that's asking for it. It could happen no matter how they acted or dressed, their boyfriend, teacher, random stranger could do it, it doesn't rely on them, it relies on the people around them.

As far as it being more serious or less serious then mugging, or other crime, who cares? Rape is a serious crime no matter how you look at it. I personally would rather be mugged then raped but that's irrelevant I would want neither.

Good points. I don't think I originally put that much emphasis on how women dressed, though. It was just one of several factors that could increase chances.

Anyways, if I wasn't clear, I think things like being recklessly drunk, not paying attention to one's surroundings, and being recklessly flirty are much bigger factors. I think clothing would really only come into play when you're talking about very revealing clothes that projects a clear idea of promiscuity. Some people like to underestimate the importance of percieved promiscuity, even though that's actually how a lot of rapists (ie. date-rapists, frat-boy type situations) get away without any consequences. So, even if clothing had no bearing on whether a woman would be raped, it undoubtedly has a bearing on how promiscuous they appear to be, and whether they'll be taken seriously in the aftermath.

[Dog]

I've come to the conclusion that you're a troll. I'm done here.

So, while you think that rape is in another league from non-sexual assault on the basis of your gut feeling and the Lifetime Channel, I think it's the same as other forms of assault on the basis of logic, knowledge, and experience. How exactly am I trolling?

It's not like I'm suggesting that a given case of rape is not bad and not serious. However:

1) The premise that all rape is equally traumatic assumes too much about the importance of sex (control over sex, in particular) in every woman's life.
2) There's no basis to say that the trauma, physical or non, following a rape is inherently worse than that following other types of assault.

It's a serious crime, no doubt, but the hierachy we have where rape is automatically considered much more damaging than assault is simply wrong. I do understand why we have a reaction to strongly condemn rape, but we are logical beings, thus we should be capable of stepping back and looking at the crime objectively.

Short version: Rape is serious, but the potentially equal seriousness of non-sexual assault shouldn't be disregarded.

[dontcallmeinsane]

No surprise this thread was made by a negro.

With this kinda face :smilie1:

[Slapshot]

I was reading some article about how 1/3 of Brits think that women are partially responsible in certain circumstances.

I would agree. Obviously it shouldn't deflect any wrongdoing from the actual assailaint, but that doesn't mean in some (many?) cases that the woman could have prevented it.

What do I mean? Consider muggings. The vast majority can be completely prevented by taking some precautions: Don't flash money or desirable items around, be wary of what type of neighborhood you're in, avoid bad, poorly lit areas, and be vigilant. I was mugged 5 or 6 years ago, and if I had been simply used some common sense, I could have likely avoided it. In other words, it was partially my fault. (Certainly, I'm not suggesting that all crime situations can be avoided, but many, MANY can; those are the ones to which I'm referring)

As I see it, crime is just as natural and inevitable as the rain. You know it's out there, and you should take precautions. If you don't, then when crime strikes you'll find yourself in trouble in part by your own doing. I suppose the controversy in such questions lies in the fact that "you're partially responsible" has a different connotation from "you could have prevented it".

Obviously, this doesn't remove any blame from the criminal for his actions, but there's definitely truth in the statement that you can be "asking for it", depending on the situation. If someone walked around the ghetto with their iPod in hand and a wad of cash in the other, I think most would say "You were asking for it, dumbass". But when the issue of rape comes up, it's somehow out of line to say that a woman was asking for it, if she was walking around drunk, surrounding by male strangers, and showing her sexual assets.

Thoughts?You are absolutely correct, nazi. There's a case in my community right now where a woman left a Manhattan night club with a complete stranger for a remote destination (I presume for the promise of drugs) and was never heard from again.

There are members of my family from down south who won't even set foot in NYC out of fear for their safety, much less leave a night club with a complete stranger for a remote upstate destination. (it's been established that she knew they were going upstate)

Now, I could see if she just got off the bus from Buttfuck, Kansas... but she had been living in NYC and took the chance anyway, and paid for it (possibly with her life, no body and the "person of interest" isn't talking)

Don't get me wrong, I think it is absolutely reprehensible for a person to attack or otherwise assault somebody who is weaker than them, someone who can't defend themselves. Anybody who does that is a piece of shit as far as I'm concerned (without just cause, of course...).

Troubled males get attention by being violent and destructive, while troubled females get attention by flaunting their sexual assets.

[Iehovah]

But when the issue of rape comes up, it's somehow out of line to say that a woman was asking for it, if she was walking around drunk, surrounding by male strangers, and showing her sexual assets.

Thoughts?

The reason it's considered "out of line" is because unlike YOU, people in the past have used the excuse that "she was asking for it" to claim that it is literally ALL the woman's fault and that the rapist has no blame whatsoever for giving her what she was asking for. Crime? Why would it be a crime if she was clearly asking for it? Vile attitude, and a completely different way of looking at it than yours.

[Slapshot]

The reason it's considered "out of line" is because unlike YOU, people in the past have used the excuse that "she was asking for it" to claim that it is literally ALL the woman's fault and that the rapist has no blame whatsoever for giving her what she was asking for. Crime? Why would it be a crime if she was clearly asking for it? Vile attitude, and a completely different way of looking at it than yours.

No, nazi clearly stated that it is not ALL the woman's fault.

In case you are new to this, women like to play games. Tease men into doing this, tease men into doing that. Buy me this, take me there, attitude like you wouldn't believe just for having a hot body. Provoking and intimidating as if nothing can touch them. Ever met some pretentious, rich fuck that acts like you are a plague on humanity? As if you aren't worthy of his presence? Spend 10 minutes with a woman like that and I guarantee you have homicidal thoughts.

[Lord_BTY]

Hahaha if it makes you feel any better: I got the joke. I laughed so hard and hand to show it to one of my friends.

lol good stuff man.

Thank you very much :)

*fills with pride*

I do try to write the odd joke or too; you know, nothing much.

*looks annoyingly smug*

MWAH XXXX

[acc248]

If a woman is stupid enough to get so drunk or hyped up on drugs that men are easily able to take advantage of her, it's her fault. Now a random rape where she's pulled into a bush and forced is not her fault. I think that if women showed more common sense then you might see less rapes (however only 1 in 3 rapes are reported)

I guess I just blame the woman if she was stupid about how she went about her business. Rape at gunpoint, violent rape, or just a random rape is one thing, but when you got to a party and are under the influence of a foreign substance and wake up and realize you've been screwed, you can't cry rape, that was your own fault

[Iehovah]

No, nazi clearly stated that it is not ALL the woman's fault.

I'm not talking about Nazi's view, I'm talking about others. I'm talking about the reason that it's considered "out of line". Sure, he's right, but that doesn't mean everyone else is too.

In case you are new to this, women like to play games. Tease men into doing this, tease men into doing that. Buy me this, take me there, attitude like you wouldn't believe just for having a hot body. Provoking and intimidating as if nothing can touch them. Ever met some pretentious, rich fuck that acts like you are a plague on humanity? As if you aren't worthy of his presence? Spend 10 minutes with a woman like that and I guarantee you have homicidal thoughts.

Yeah, and...? This doesn't in any way justify rape. Lots of people are shitty; learn to cope with it in ways that aren't destructive to you and to them.

[yoplait]

A rapist is a twisted individual. You can't be sure that provocative clothing is responsible for the rape. A rapist could be more likely to go for the covered up, more innocent looking girl as to get more of a "thrill". You can't know these things, they just happen and women are not at fault.

[Cegstar]

Sure, a woman can avoid being raped if she never goes to "rough" areas, but it's not always her choice.

If the rapist didn't do it, it wouldn't have been done. He could just as easily of flirted with her.

[Struwwelpeter]

Answer to OP's question:

Because interracial rape is now overwhelmingly black on white, it has become difficult to do research on it or to find relevant statistics. The FBI keeps very detailed national records on crime, but the way it presents rape data obscures the racial element rather than clarifies it. Dr. William Wilbanks, a criminologist at Florida International University, had to sift carefully through the data to find that in 1988 there were 9,406 cases of black-on-white rape and fewer than ten cases of white-on-black rape. [320] Another researcher concludes that in 1989, blacks were three or four times more likely to commit rape than whites, and that black men raped white women thirty times as often as white men raped black women. [321]

Interracial crime figures are even worse than they sound. Since there are more than six times as many whites as blacks in America, it means that any given black person is vastly more likely to commit a crime against a white than vice versa.


Blacks do the majority of raping in this nation. Whites do very little (although mestizos, second in dominance when it comes to rape are listed with them so the statistics are skewered). Black typically target white women for their beauty, as no one, not even black people want to even rape black women. They are guilty as charged. It's no wonder a negro would ponder who is or isn't guilty in the even of a rape: the rapist or the rape victim. Negros want to have their cake and eat it; if they can rape someone and make them look guilty they will do so with pride.

[ArmsMerchant]

The argument sounds like typical sexist male bullshit. Rape is rape.

It is a heinous crime, and the fact that the victim may be chemically impaired is no excuse.

[ArmsMerchant]

Reported rape victimization by race is: 34% of American Indian/Alaska Native; 24% women of mixed race; 19% of African American women; 18% of white women; 8% of Asian/Pacific Islander women. (Tjaden and Thoennes, National Institute of Justice 1998)

[Dog]

The argument sounds like typical sexist male bullshit. Rape is rape.

It is a heinous crime, and the fact that the victim may be chemically impaired is no excuse.

As I've said a few times in this thread, even if the woman puts herself right in harm's way, it doesn't take any criminal responsibility away from the rapist.

But: You should know (given your age and experience, I mean) that most bad situations can be avoided with some precuations and common sense. That's all I'm suggesting. If women have this gung-ho, I-have-nothing-to-do-with-it attitude when it comes to rape, I think more of them are going to find themselves in trouble.

Then again, I'm probably making an obvious point for most women. Even if they don't like the idea of having "responsibility" for it (and I don't blame them...the word can have negative connotations here), I'm sure that most of them use their common sense to stay out of risky situations.

:shrug: I guess I just made this thread to point out that the "Women are partially responsible" viewpoint isn't necessarily as sexist/crazy as it might sound on the surface.

[Dog]

Answer to OP's question:



Blacks do the majority of raping in this nation. Whites do very little (although mestizos, second in dominance when it comes to rape are listed with them so the statistics are skewered). Black typically target white women for their beauty, as no one, not even black people want to even rape black women. They are guilty as charged. It's no wonder a negro would ponder who is or isn't guilty in the even of a rape: the rapist or the rape victim. Negros want to have their cake and eat it; if they can rape someone and make them look guilty they will do so with pride.

(I know you're trolling, of course, but I'll humor you.)

How many of those black rapists are not of low socioeconomic status? :rolleyes:

[Struwwelpeter]

A hell of a lot of them, given that most of the high-profile wealthy ones retain their savage ways (Mike Tyson, ODB, R. Kelley, OJ Simpson, Tupac, Suge Knight, so on). Guess how many low-class white men there are who aren't raping people? I'll give you a hint, there are more poor white people in this nation than all black people of any socioeconomic status combined.

[Dog]

A hell of a lot of them, given that most of the high-profile wealthy ones retain their savage ways (Mike Tyson, ODB, R. Kelley, OJ Simpson, Tupac, Suge Knight, so on). Guess how many low-class white men there are who aren't raping people? I'll give you a hint, there are more poor white people in this nation than all black people of any socioeconomic status combined.

Socioeconomic status is not determined solely by one's income, dumbass. It includes education and occupation. You also need to include culture (the most important factor, in fact), which isn't necessary included in SES. In other words, you need to show that black men with the same cultural upbringing and SES as say, a typical white businessman, teacher, etc. are also disproportionately represented included in those statistics.

[Struwwelpeter]

Education and occupation determines one's income. There are very few rich people without a job and education. I would agree, culture is an important factor, the savage ways of African Americans; brought upon by their biological capacity prevents them from assimilating in to White society.

[Iehovah]

Education and occupation determines one's income. There are very few rich people without a job and education. I would agree, culture is an important factor, the savage ways of African Americans; brought upon by their biological capacity prevents them from assimilating in to White society.

I'm sure the Paris Hiltons of the world would love to hear you say that.

[Struwwelpeter]

She's one of the very few (as I said) who are fortunate enough to have inherited wealth; and the vain, materialistic Jew media has given her, like R. Kelley, 50cent, etc money for nothing more than her appearance, her music, and so on.

[NaiveMonarch]

All rape is entrapment, if she wasn't there I wouldn't have raped her.

[Cegstar]

All rape is entrapment, if she wasn't there I wouldn't have raped her.

If you weren't so naive in the ways of picking up, you wouldn't "need" to rape someone.

[Dog]

Education and occupation determines one's income. There are very few rich people without a job and education. I would agree, culture is an important factor, the savage ways of African Americans; brought upon by their biological capacity prevents them from assimilating in to White society.

Mike Tyson's (OJ Simpson, R. Kelly, Tupac, Suge Knight, etc.) income was not determined by his education, dipshit.

I'll say it again, unless you find a disproportionate amount of black rapists who are of the same cultural and economic status as the majority of whites, then your hypothesis fails.

God...I really wish this forum had a mod that did his job.

[Dog]

She's one of the very few (as I said) who are fortunate enough to have inherited wealth; and the vain, materialistic Jew media has given her, like R. Kelley, 50cent, etc money for nothing more than her appearance, her music, and so on.

By definition, if someone recieves money from their music, it's because they've earned it.

You also need to provide some facts to make the (incorrect) claim that most people don't inherit their wealth.

[Cegstar]

Mike Tyson's (OJ Simpson, R. Kelly, Tupac, Suge Knight, etc.) income was not determined by his education, dipshit.

I'll say it again, unless you find a disproportionate amount of black rapists who are of the same cultural and economic status as the majority of whites, then your hypothesis fails.

God...I really wish this forum had a mod that did his job.

He said
Education and occupation determines one's income.

Part of what he said refers to occupation, which means he's not the dipshit (in this case at least).

Obviously a university graduate who ends up working as a janitor won't have the best income; a high school dropout who ends up managing a major business will be a lot better off. Usually one supplements the other, but neither dropping out or university will lead you automatically to a life of poverty or richness.

[Struwwelpeter]

Mike Tyson's (OJ Simpson, R. Kelly, Tupac, Suge Knight, etc.) income was not determined by his education, dipshit.

She's one of the very few (as I said) who are fortunate enough to have inherited wealth; and the vain, materialistic Jew media has given her, like R. Kelley, 50cent, etc money for nothing more than her appearance, her music, and so on.

You're right, it was determined by their lack of education; their celebration for their primitive, savage ways by the perverted Western media.

I'll say it again, unless you find a disproportionate amount of black rapists who are of the same cultural and economic status as the majority of whites, then your hypothesis fails.

Most of us don't need statistics for that, it's not uncommon to meet a woman who's been raped by a black man. Regardless they're hard to find as there aren't many statistics regarding one's socioeconomic class, and even statistics that display the criminality of assorted races are often skewered or kept in the dark in today's society. One of the problem's is that despite affirmative action and nearly 60 years of social services (welfare) the number of middle class Blacks in this nation is still disproportionate when compared to the number of Asians and whites. I'd like to add that most of the immigrant Asians that came here with nothing after the Vietnam and Korean wars and were interred in confinement camps during WW2 (Japanese) have fared better than negro Americans and have few rapists; could it be because they are biologically superior? Their cultures are worlds away from the white man's compared to the black culture.

[Iehovah]

She's one of the very few (as I said) who are fortunate enough to have inherited wealth; and the vain, materialistic Jew media has given her, like R. Kelley, 50cent, etc money for nothing more than her appearance, her music, and so on.

There are a lot of rich people out there with inhereited money. What exactly are you claiming happened to all that money when they died? "Da Jews Stole it?"

[Dog]

He said


Part of what he said refers to occupation, which means he's not the dipshit (in this case at least).

Obviously a university graduate who ends up working as a janitor won't have the best income; a high school dropout who ends up managing a major business will be a lot better off. Usually one supplements the other, but neither dropping out or university will lead you automatically to a life of poverty or richness.

Did I say that income was not determined by occupation? That's such a ridiculously obvious statement that I didn't address it. I simply said that income is not determined by education.

Welcome to the idiot list.

[Cegstar]

Did I say that income was not determined by occupation? That's such a ridiculously obvious statement that I didn't address it. I simply said that income is not determined by education.

Welcome to the idiot list.

So you disputed something that he didn't even say?

[Dog]

Most of us don't need statistics for that,

So you don't have any data that supports your claim that blacks rape disproportionately to other races regardless of culture or SES. That means you lose.

[Struwwelpeter]

Keep telling yourself that.

[Cliche Guevara]

i just ignore i fuck latinos now.

[Struwwelpeter]

"i fuck latinos" lol

[Cegstar]

Pizza, adding someone to your list because they pointed out a mistake you made is just stupid, it just messes up my Ctrl+F looking for my name.

Granted, he is an idiot, but you need to provide a full argument.

[Struwwelpeter]

Despite PizzaNazi's supposed intelligence compared to his fellow blacks, he still retains the jungalist, tribalist savagery of his native roots. He can't make a single post without name calling or telling who's who when it comes to being an intellectual heavyweight. His little "hit-list" there is reminiscent of tactics used by school children and street gang members. You can put a white face on a black man's intellect but you still have a common field negro.

[Iehovah]

Despite PizzaNazi's supposed intelligence compared to his fellow blacks, he still retains the jungalist, tribalist savagery of his native roots. He can't make a single post without name calling or telling who's who when it comes to being an intellectual heavyweight. His little "hit-list" there is reminiscent of tactics used by school children and street gang members. You can put a white face on a black man's intellect but you still have a common field negro.

And yet, you act the very same way. Perhaps you should drop the pretense of civility, stick to your firehose hanging posts. After all, you can dress up a backwoods hillbilly in a suit, teach him some big words and he'll still be an ignorant redneck.

[Struwwelpeter]

He'll still be imitating a white man though.

[Iehovah]

He'll still be imitating a white man though.

And you'll still be imitating the niggers you hate so much. At least he -has- some goals beyond sex with his sister.

[Struwwelpeter]

he wants to have sex with my sister; without her consent

least i keep it in the family LOLOOL

[Iehovah]

he wants to have sex with my sister; without her consent

least i keep it in the family LOLOOL

That says more about his poor taste in women than his negrosity.

[Struwwelpeter]

what

motHERUFUCKER U FUCKIN WIth MY SISTRE??

[kellie-marie]

I think alot of the time women could wear more clothing, and wear less revealing numbers so that they aren't advertising their sexual adversity.

They sit around wearing vivacious outfits and expect individuals not to stare at them in a different way. I'm not saying the rapist is wrong to try and attempt rape, I'm just saying that women could do more to protect themselves against unwanted sex.

[Struwwelpeter]

Should they have to? Women should be able to celebrate their beauty in civilized societies, and in many of them, such as Norway, and Sweden they do without harm. However there are exceptions, such as North African negroid immigrants who go up there and rape them while receiving welfare and free housing.

[Iehovah]

Should they have to? Women should be able to celebrate their beauty in civilized societies, and in many of them, such as Norway, and Sweden they do without harm. However there are exceptions, such as North African negroid immigrants who go up there and rape them while receiving welfare and free housing.

"Celebrating their beauty"? I'm betting if they were black, you'd say they were dressing like whores. And quite frankly, a lot of it these days really is, black or white.

[Struwwelpeter]

They can celebrate their beauty in Africa. A woman should be able to dress as she wants without being labeled a whore, especially in a society where men can prance around on a stage in nothing more than a thong and some olive oil and when a prize/money (bodybuilding). All of man is quite narcissistic and attempting to change their natural, flawed ways is just going to result in a bunch of little suicide bombers waiting to happen.

[Iehovah]

They can celebrate their beauty in Africa. A woman should be able to dress as she wants without being labeled a whore, especially in a society where men can prance around on a stage in nothing more than a thong and some olive oil and when a prize/money (bodybuilding). All of man is quite narcissistic and attempting to change their natural, flawed ways is just going to result in a bunch of little suicide bombers waiting to happen.

Who says those men aren't whores as well? That's whorish to the point of being gay like pro-wrestling. Meat on parade. You don't have to be a suicide bomber to call it the way it looks. Nor do you have to have a double-standard.

[Struwwelpeter]

I know, if male bodybuilder closet faggots are going to be celebrated as role-models for young men, then women should have the right to be just as vain, just as flawed. Attempting to suppress man's natural tendencies is only going to turn him in to a crybaby faggot. Just look at all of the little 17 year old anarchist/libertarian/anti-anything-that-reminds-me-of-my-parents queers on this website. Man wants to come here, fuck, and live forever. Very few of them have a dream of any sort of value.

[Iehovah]

I know, if male bodybuilder closet faggots are going to be celebrated as role-models for young men, then women should have the right to be just as vain, just as flawed. Attempting to suppress man's natural tendencies is only going to turn him in to a crybaby faggot. Just look at all of the little 17 year old anarchist/libertarian/anti-anything-that-reminds-me-of-my-parents queers on this website. Man wants to come here, fuck, and live forever. Very few of them have a dream of any sort of value.

Who said they don't have the right? I'm simply challenging your ridiculous assertion that they're "celebrating their beauty". That's like calling a whore a 'sex worker'. Giving undeserved legitimacy.

[Struwwelpeter]

Women should be able to make money off of prostitution, so as long as it is done in a respectable fashion (such as the precautions used by a particular legal sex resort in Nevada of which the title eludes me and the practices of high-profile sex workers). Men should be able to do so as well. There's nothing wrong with human sexuality.

[Struwwelpeter]

In other words there's nothing "whoreish" about sex for money, all of these convictions about sexual morality and whoredom are nothing more than man-made concepts. Animals in nature do not stick with the same sexual partner, neither does man, nor does he want to.

[Iehovah]

In other words there's nothing "whoreish" about sex for money, all of these convictions about sexual morality and whoredom are nothing more than man-made concepts.

.... are you trolling, or do you actually believe that sex for money isn't whoring?

Animals in nature do not stick with the same sexual partner, neither does man, nor does he want to.

Aren't you the same guy who bemoans the animal savagery of niggers and talks about the nobility and civilization of white man? Yet you're suggesting it's perfectly natural to behave like animals and that we should do it.

Show some consistency, ffs.

[Struwwelpeter]

It is natural to behave like animals; although in a reasonably enlightened manner. After all, we're no superior in terms of morality to our fellow apes, in fact much to the contrary. You rarely see chimpanzees or gorillas murder one another. Call it what you want, it's nothing more than a business transaction and if done in a professional manner (STD testing, no interracial business) there's nothing immoral about it. "Whoredom" is nothing more than a creation by Zionist dyke feminists who are too ugly to make it on their own as hookers and too brainwashed by their Zionist educators to ever consider partaking in activity that was practiced by the Great Romans, Persians, Sumerians, Nazis etc.

[Lord_BTY]

I think PizzaNazi is an overly sensitive loner who relies on sarcasm to make his arguments stand...

Also, yes... rape can, in some circumstances, be avoided if the woman had taken precautions... but who does that?

"I'm gonna wear this low-cut top tonight, what do you think?"

"Na, you might get raped."

MWAH XXXX

MWAH XXXX

[Cegstar]

I think PizzaNazi is an overly sensitive loner who relies on sarcasm to make his arguments stand...

Also, yes... rape can, in some circumstances, be avoided if the woman had taken precautions... but who does that?

"I'm gonna wear this low-cut top tonight, what do you think?"

"Na, you might get raped."

MWAH XXXX

MWAH XXXX

Let's all go back to where it's illegal for women to even show their ankles. That'll surely help the situation.

This thread may as well be titled "Agree with me or I'll add you to my list that no one cares about"

[Mogli]

In another study, subjects were told two versions of a story about an interaction between a woman and a man. Both variations were exactly the same, except at the very end the man raped the woman in one and in the other he proposed marriage. In both conditions, subjects viewed the woman's (identical) actions as inevitably leading to the (very different) results

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Just-world_phenomenon

[Phinehas]

Those behind Western immigration policy and desegregation. :mad:

[ArmsMerchant]

I think alot of the time women could wear more clothing, and wear less revealing numbers so that they aren't advertising their sexual adversity.

.


That is working SO well in Iran. . . . .

Saying that the rape victim is reponsible for being raped is like saying the trees are responsible for forest fires. . . .

[Struwwelpeter]

Would you like to give us some evidence that it is not working well in Iran? If they deem women are not to dress promiscuously and kill those who do, I don't see what could be more effective for eradicating the problem. It doesn't happen often. Do you know of any significant women's right to be promiscuity movements in Iran? Didn't think so. That's the problem with you antis you can't utilize critical thinking skills.

[ArmsMerchant]

The forced veiling of women, in any context and for any reason, is simply oppression, and there is no rational reason for it.

The problem, IMHO, is that men who rant about "promiscuity" hate and fear women and have deep-rooted doubts and fears regarding thei own sexuality. This is a common but virulent form of mental illness.

This was true of the authors of the Malleus Maleficarum and it is true today.

[Dog]

The forced veiling of women, in any context and for any reason, is simply oppression, and there is no rational reason for it.

The problem, IMHO, is that men who rant about "promiscuity" hate and fear women and have deep-rooted doubts and fears regarding thei own sexuality. This is a common but virulent form of mental illness.

This was true of the authors of the Malleus Maleficarum and it is true today.

While the extreme forms are obviously bad, there are strong evolutionary arguments for why men view female promiscuity as bad, while generally not giving a shit about male promiscuity.

[Knight of Blackness]

The rapist is always responsible for the rape. That said, if the girl (or boy, who knows) is wearing provocative clothes or is flirting with dangerous people then he/she deserves the life-time of psychological trauma from it.

[Irukanji]

Dressing like a slut = you want sex. Almost no matter what.

How hard is it to just dress like a normal person, and not wear some slutty dress, etc when your out drinking in a bad part of town?

Short-shorts are ok, just dont wear a super tight shirt and put on so much make-up that you look like a whore

[lostmyface]

no body asks to be raped. that is why they call it rape.
if both parties were consensual then it would be called sex, not rape.
there fore i think the rapist is responsible for committing the act of rape. we can also blame society a bit for putting the rapist into the situation were he/she felt the need to commit the act of rape.

if i had to break it down into stats i would out it this way

burden of responsibility for rape

the rapist 98%
society 1%
weather 1%
the person whom was raped 0%

[Cegstar]

While the extreme forms are obviously bad, there are strong evolutionary arguments for why men view female promiscuity as bad, while generally not giving a shit about male promiscuity.

What evolutionary arguments are those?

[Th0r]

OP - To sum it up I agree with you but I do think it all depends on the circumstances.

[Dog]

What evolutionary arguments are those?

Too lazy to try to type them out...I'll search for a link later.

But basically, if you look at other primates, you see consistent mating patterns. For instance,in a certain type of ape, one male tends to have a circle of females that he'll mate with, and they'll aggressively protect that group of females from intruding males. Other primates have different patterns. This didn't arise because of culture and sexism, thus there has to be a biological drive (based on evolution) that leads to that consistent mating behavior.

Since we are primates, it follows that we have some biological mating impulses, and thus the anti-female-promiscuity feeling that most (all?) men feel is probably a result of that. The other side of this is that while men can't stand physical, sexual betrayal, women can't stand emotional betrayal.

Like I said, I'll try to find some specific articles detailing how such things might have evolved, but that should give you an idea of what I meant.

[Struwwelpeter]

Ironic, CollardGreensNazi here isn't afraid to make generalizations about mating impulses and habits when it comes to his closely related gorillas yet he won't make them for the black man? Hmm...

[Dog]

Ironic, CollardGreensNazi here isn't afraid to make generalizations about mating impulses and habits when it comes to his closely related gorillas yet he won't make them for the black man? Hmm...

Zokletians: Please, do not feed this troll.

[Struwwelpeter]

Don't feed me guys, you're too stupid not to, you need a negro to remind you LOL!

[lostmyface]

jim, would you like a sandwich?

[Brickhead]

I may have jumped into this discussion a little late, but....
I'm not ready to commit to agreeing with the OP on the issue, but there is an issue of irresponsibility there, if you're off point and get rolled because you were being a fool, then you are most probably at fault in that scenario. And it's unfortunately true in some scenarios with women that a little bit of wisdom in certain situations could have prevented serious incidents. No woman deserves to be raped, but you seriously have to wonder about ones who walk around thinking it'll never happen to them.
If you walk around in a feminist fantasy world thinking that you don't need protection against 'stupid men', that you are strong enough to get yourself out of trouble, then that kind of an attitude will get you into some real shit. Just like muggings, carjackings, attacks of all kinds, rape is real, and you will either be prepared or you are a target.
That being said, everyone here who has said the "Revealing clothing" rhetoric is incorrect. Most psychologists agree that the motivations for sexual assault fall far closer to the need of validating the rapist's insecurities and addressing feelings of anger, the need to dominate and control one's environment. So it doesn't even really matter in the end what the girl looks like. ( mostly )
Rape is much more an issue of sadism rather than sexual attraction, so the whole cover up argument is redundant.

[Dog]

I may have jumped into this discussion a little late, but....
I'm not ready to commit to agreeing with the OP on the issue, but there is an issue of irresponsibility there, if you're off point and get rolled because you were being a fool, then you are most probably at fault in that scenario. And it's unfortunately true in some scenarios with women that a little bit of wisdom in certain situations could have prevented serious incidents. No woman deserves to be raped, but you seriously have to wonder about ones who walk around thinking it'll never happen to them.
If you walk around in a feminist fantasy world thinking that you don't need protection against 'stupid men', that you are strong enough to get yourself out of trouble, then that kind of an attitude will get you into some real shit. Just like muggings, carjackings, attacks of all kinds, rape is real, and you will either be prepared or you are a target.
That being said, everyone here who has said the "Revealing clothing" rhetoric is incorrect. Most psychologists agree that the motivations for sexual assault fall far closer to the need of validating the rapist's insecurities and addressing feelings of anger, the need to dominate and control one's environment. So it doesn't even really matter in the end what the girl looks like. ( mostly )
Rape is much more an issue of sadism rather than sexual attraction, so the whole cover up argument is redundant.

Good post. If I had to guess: the whole "revealing clothes" idea comes from the fact that a lot of straight, non-rapist guys do get some type of desire to run up and fuck the girl that walks into the room with her ass literally hanging out of her skirt

Like, put a conservatively dressed attractive women in front of any normal guy, and he'll think "Damn, she looks like she could suck a basketball through a garden-hose". Put an attractive women in a bikini in front of a guy, and he'll think "Tits, ass, sex, fucking, tits, fuck tits, ass, ASS, cock hard, fuck, tiiiits."

So, I guess that's why we assume it affects rape.

[goldaline, my dear]

a girl can strip for you, then lay on your bed with her legs spread wide open, but if she says "NO", it is still rape.

[Cegstar]

a girl can strip for you, then lay on your bed with her legs spread wide open, but if she says she didn't do that, it is still rape.

Fixed for a sad truth.

[Saline Colors]

a girl can strip for you, then lay on your bed with her legs spread wide open, but if she says "NO", it is still rape.

While I don't disagree with you, I can't help but notice that every post I've read by you makes me angry.

I'm not really sure why, but you really piss me off.

[（ ・∀・）~オマエモナー]

I think one thing that is missing in this debate is the idea that most women who are raped didn't provoked it. I'm sorry but most rape victims are not just grabbed out of the street and raped, majority of the time it's by someone they trust in a private setting.

This is like saying that the serial rapist who went around breaking into house and raping the women inside at gun point did it because the women was being slutty, this is rarely the case.

If you're desperate for sex go to a brothel and if you're having desires of rape see a shrink.

[Cliche Guevara]

men view female promiscuity as bad,

Lol wut?

Anyways, I haven't really been contributing to this topic, but Ill say this. In all cases the man is guilty of rape not the woman. (So says the law in all civilized societies).

Ok, the woman may make herself a target, but regardless, they are not dressing slutty because they are hoping someone rapes them, they are dressing like that for a club, or because daddy didn't love them enough. Sure they may know that this increases the chances of rape occuring but most girls are not constantly worried about being raped (in civilized societies) as most sluts don't get raped.

In the end I think it's pretty misguided thinking if you are in any way trying to 'shift blame' in the case of rape, where obviously the RAPIST is the criminal and the person raped IS THE VICTIM. (it is quite linguistically obvious too)

[hooloovoo]

If you're desperate for sex go to a brothel and if you're having desires of rape see a shrink.

Seriously, this is the third thread about rape the OP's made; it's getting creepy.

[i poop in your cereal]

I get the point you're trying to make but the problem isn't slutty, partially dressed drunk girls, the problem is demented men who get off by hurting women.

Most rapists are pathetic, desperate fucks who've failed to get laid by any other means.


I agree, some women need some common sense implants because it's a scary world and everyone is aware of these dangers and most don't take them seriously until they happen.The fact that they're so trusting and innocent by nature makes the rapists that much more fucked up, especially when date rape is concerned.

It's not 'trust and innocence'. Some stupid whore who gets drunk off her face and rolls around waving and teasing is not by any stretch of the word 'innocent'.


With that said I believe castration should be the mandatory punishment for rape, molestation and child porn.

This is the default opinion of close-minded fucking retards. How many cases have you heard of where the male was convicted of rape/molestation/childporn and sentenced to prison where you facepalmed and lost another chunk of faith in the "justice" system?

If this number does not exceed 10 in the last few years, you need to read/watch more news.

EDIT: Here are some keywords to kickstart your memory: 18yo has sex with 17yo girlfriend, almost rape, regret, cartoon porn, drunk.

[Young Meth]

There is no rapist stereotype!

[RIPtotse]

Chuck "The Truck" Wallace

[Slapshot]

a girl can strip for you, then lay on your bed with her legs spread wide open, but if she says "NO", it is still rape.

It sure is, and I've had plenty of girls who've asked me to do exactly that. One girl asked me to take her by force, ripping her clothes off and violently raping her (she started with "pull my hair", progressed to "slap me" while we were fucking, had me tie her up and play with her, and eventually got up the nerve to ask me to rape her). Needless to say, she loved being dominated. HOWEVER... had I given in to her request, and we had an argument, she could easily have called the cops, claimed rape (with my semen inside her) and I would have gone to jail in a heartbeat.

[ants in my poptarts]

Reported rape victimization by race is: 34% of American Indian/Alaska Native; 24% women of mixed race; 19% of African American women; 18% of white women; 8% of Asian/Pacific Islander women. (Tjaden and Thoennes, National Institute of Justice 1998)

right on

[Star Wars Fan]

With that said I believe castration should be the mandatory punishment for rape, molestation and child porn.

WTF

[ZeroMalarki]

Scenario:

You leave your door unlocked, your house gets robbed.

Who's fault was it?

Yours?

Or the person that robbed your house.

There was a time when it wasn't an open invitation to burgle someone's belongings and its the same with rape.

Someone who commits a crime is a criminal. Responsibility should always lie on the culprit.

[Iehovah]

Scenario:

You leave your door unlocked, your house gets robbed.

Who's fault was it?


The person who committed the crime may be a criminal and responsible for their own actions, but the person that left their door unlocked is still an idiot for inviting it to happen. This isn't the 1950s Leave-it-to-Beaver era. Crime happens.

[(´･ω･`)]

From a "survival-of-the-fittest" point of view, men who are prone to rape and women who don't resist are superior.

[i poop in your cereal]

WTF

Shut up, you autistic fucking retard.

Your opinion on this issue is irrelevant because you're autistic and can't comprehend these social thingies.

[Iehovah]

Shut up, you autistic fucking retard.

Your opinion on this issue is irrelevant because you're autistic and can't comprehend these social thingies.

Are you sure you're not autistic yourself? I ask, because your perception of Asperger's as an "inability to comprehend social thingies" is ignorant, borderline idiotic. They have difficulty with it, yes, but they aren't unable to comprehend it.

And yeah - he has a point... WTF would you castrate someone for looking at child porn? Molestation is one thing, that's entirely another. If you do not grasp "punishment fitting the crime", it might just be that you have some social failings of your own.

[(´･ω･`)]

And yeah - he has a point... WTF would you castrate someone for looking at child porn? Molestation is one thing, that's entirely another. If you do not grasp "punishment fitting the crime", it might just be that you have some social failings of your own.

I think Frank meant distributing or participating in child porn, rather than just enjoying it.

As a pedophile--and I find it difficult to say this--I agree.

[Cir]

God it responsible for rape, because he was the one who made women and little girls so sexy.

At least that's what I plan to tell the judge.

[i poop in your cereal]

Are you sure you're not autistic yourself? I ask, because your perception of Asperger's as an "inability to comprehend social thingies" is ignorant, borderline idiotic.

No, it's not.


They have difficulty with it, yes, but they aren't unable to comprehend it.

Downies aren't unable to comprehend math, they just have difficulty with it.


And yeah - he has a point... WTF would you castrate someone for looking at child porn? Molestation is one thing, that's entirely another. If you do not grasp "punishment fitting the crime", it might just be that you have some social failings of your own.

That was not what he meant, solely.

According to his previous autistic rantings, childporn is a-okay.

[Iehovah]

No, it's not.

Educate thyself.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asperger_syndrome

They are able to learn (see, comprehend) social things, they simply have difficulty with it.

Downies aren't unable to comprehend math, they just have difficulty with it.

SWF is an Aspie, not a Downie. They're both forms of autism. If you don't know the difference between the two, you should probably drop it now. While you're at it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autism_spectrum

That was not what he meant, solely.

According to his previous autistic rantings, childporn is a-okay.

You assume that the two are related. Certain people (no, not all autistics or aspies) consider there to be a fundamental difference between child porn and molestation... one is the actual abuse, the other is removed from the abuse. SWF is one of those, I believe, and while I disagree greatly with him, I do understand the disconnect, and more importantly, I understand that the disconnect doesn't have to do with his autism. Not all logical disconnects can be attributed to autism, you only have to look at politics to see that.

So yeah, while it may not be okay, castration as a punishment for it? What he said: WTF?

[i poop in your cereal]

Educate thyself.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asperger_syndrome

They are able to learn (see, comprehend) social things, they simply have difficulty with it.

Read the below.



SWF is an Aspie, not a Downie. They're both forms of autism. If you don't know the difference between the two, you should probably drop it now. While you're at it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autism_spectrum

I know that you fucking moron I was making a comparison for christs sake. Autists have as hard a time comprehending social shit as downies have comprehending math.



You assume that the two are related. Certain people (no, not all autistics or aspies) consider there to be a fundamental difference between child porn and molestation... one is the actual abuse, the other is removed from the abuse. SWF is one of those, I believe, and while I disagree greatly with him, I do understand the disconnect, and more importantly, I understand that the disconnect doesn't have to do with his autism. Not all logical disconnects can be attributed to autism, you only have to look at politics to see that.

Your reading comprehension is broken.


So yeah, while it may not be okay, castration as a punishment for it? What he said: WTF?

I was not arguing about that, I was telling him that he shouldn't participate in these threads because he doesn't understand it. His social intelligence is fundamentally flawed and if you doubt this go read his other threads/posts.

[Iehovah]

I know that you fucking moron I was making a comparison for christs sake. Autists have as hard a time comprehending social shit as downies have comprehending math.

Your comparison is shit, and probably stems from you treating "Autists" like they were some giant-sized group of equal social failures. There's a reason it is called a spectrum.... these disorders are insanely varied. The only "comparison" is that they're both forms of autism with some mild similarities. There's a reason one is high functioning and the other is low - one has the ability to learn social niceties and function like a normal person, while the other is so severely stunted that it's unlikely that they'll learn anything other than basics.

Comparing the two is an insult, with no value to intelligent discussion. If that's all that was about with you, then you really should stop pretending you have a legitimate point.

Your reading comprehension is broken.

Your understanding of autism is broken.

was not arguing about that, I was telling him that he shouldn't participate in these threads because he doesn't understand it. His social intelligence is fundamentally flawed and if you doubt this go read his other threads/posts.

Your assumption that I have no idea who he is, is another mistake. I have the pleasure (and displeasure) of having interacted with him back on Totse. The fact that many of his views are further out there is meaningless, you'll find the same crap in supposedly "normal" Totseans. Hell, even myself from time to time. The only reason people have to believe differently is that he's had the balls (and possibly lack of sense) to go and tell people he has Asperger's. This is a mistake, obviously, as folks like yourself will automatically point to it and go "Hur hur autistic, stfu you don't know nothin".

I'll give you some credit; your acting somewhat better than that, but presenting this as a legitimate dismissal of SWF based on his "autism" stems from your failure, not his.

[hazmat]

"One of these days we'll hear about a rape victim being called an unwilling sperm recipient"

-George Carlin

[i poop in your cereal]

Your comparison is shit, and probably stems from you treating "Autists" like they were some giant-sized group of equal social failures. There's a reason it is called a spectrum.... these disorders are insanely varied. The only "comparison" is that they're both forms of autism with some mild similarities. There's a reason one is high functioning and the other is low - one has the ability to learn social niceties and function like a normal person, while the other is so severely stunted that it's unlikely that they'll learn anything other than basics.

Yes, there are different forms of autism, and his form is the one that makes you incapable of understanding where other people are coming from, how they feel and why they feel.



Your understanding of autism is broken.

No, it's not. I have a huge experience with dealing with autists and I have pretty good knowledge of basic psychology.



Your assumption that I have no idea who he is, is another mistake. I have the pleasure (and displeasure) of having interacted with him back on Totse. The fact that many of his views are further out there is meaningless, you'll find the same crap in supposedly "normal" Totseans. Hell, even myself from time to time.

Yes, you will indeed.

The difference between him and his views and 'normal' people with the same views is that they actually have some sort of platform on which they base that opinion - He does not.

He approves of CP because he likes it, not because of some deeper understanding of social mechanics.


The only reason people have to believe differently is that he's had the balls (and possibly lack of sense) to go and tell people he has Asperger's. This is a mistake, obviously, as folks like yourself will automatically point to it and go "Hur hur autistic, stfu you don't know nothin".

No. That is incorrect.

I could tell he had aspergers before I he told/I heard of it: The same way I've called 3-4 other people on this board out on being autists.

It is VERY easy if you know what to look for.


I'll give you some credit; your acting somewhat better than that, but presenting this as a legitimate dismissal of SWF based on his "autism" stems from your failure, not his.

No.

My default opinion is not that autists are dysfunctinal retards, but in this case, that is the case. I could be more specific and refer to this dysfunction as "your particular case of autism" in the future...

EDIT: A little reading for you... Research, if you will...
http://bbs.zoklet.net/showthread.php?t=12982

[Iehovah]

Yes, there are different forms of autism, and his form is the one that makes you incapable of understanding where other people are coming from, how they feel and why they feel.

For all your experience with "autists", you demonstrated a marked lack of knowledge about what you claim to. Asperger's does NOT make you incapable of understanding other people, and your attempt to keep saying it does, and then backtrack when called on it is dishonest. Had you read that link, you might understand that.

No, it's not. I have a huge experience with dealing with autists and I have pretty good knowledge of basic psychology.

A knowledge of basic psychology and your personal experiences with some autists (how very vague, no suggestion that any of those autists may be Aspies) does not substitute for actual knowledge of Asperger's. Realize that while all Aspies may be autists, not all or even most autists are Aspies.

The difference between him and his views and 'normal' people with the same views is that they actually have some sort of platform on which they base that opinion - He does not.

His platform is based on the notion that our morals as a people are outdated. You could have gathered that from post in your link.

He approves of CP because he likes it, not because of some deeper understanding of social mechanics.

Source this claim. Unless I missed a quote, your link doesn't show that.

I could tell he had aspergers before I he told/I heard of it: The same way I've called 3-4 other people on this board out on being autists.

Oh please, until you become a psychiatrist with a degree, your e-diagnosis means exactly nada.

It is VERY easy if you know what to look for.

Let me guess, you picked the easy signs, stereotypical behaviour, lecture style writing, and patterened speech, right? None of those things indicate any great insight. It's also very easy to mistake those with poor writing skills with the same.

My default opinion is not that autists are dysfunctinal retards, but in this case, that is the case. I could be more specific and refer to this dysfunction as "your particular case of autism" in the future...

That may not be your default opinion, but it's clear that you're using your knowledge of his Asperger's to dismiss him, rather than any genuine argument against what he has to say. You assume that because of his Asperger's he CANNOT learn where other people are coming from or understand how they feel. You base this on his presented stance of outdated morals, slopping on several assumptions such as that he likes child porn because he's defending it, and go full circle in your logic by saying that shows he has Asperger's.

That's failure.

[i poop in your cereal]

For all your experience with "autists", you demonstrated a marked lack of knowledge about what you claim to. Asperger's does NOT make you incapable of understanding other people, and your attempt to keep saying it does, and then backtrack when called on it is dishonest. Had you read that link, you might understand that.

... Do you actually read what I write? I actually said you were right on this: Autism does not automatically make you completely socially retarded, but it just happens to be the case SWF: He is severely socially retarded and unable to back up his claims regarding social issues, because he is unable to understand where the opposition is coming from.


A knowledge of basic psychology and your personal experiences with some autists (how very vague, no suggestion that any of those autists may be Aspies) does not substitute for actual knowledge of Asperger's. Realize that while all Aspies may be autists, not all or even most autists are Aspies.

I was merely trying to say, that yes, I do have experience with these people outside of the Internet aswell, and yes, I do know what the fuck I'm talking about.


His platform is based on the notion that our morals as a people are outdated. You could have gathered that from post in your link.

And that is all he says, which in itself constitutes nothing more than "CP is not wrong", no arguments, points or anything except opinion.


Source this claim. Unless I missed a quote, your link doesn't show that.

You would be able to piece it together had you read more of his former posts on totse, but even now you should be able to by browsing through his threads n posts. He does not, ofcourse, say this literally but by reading all his bullshit you should very quickly be able to make out that he has no actual points.


Oh please, until you become a psychiatrist with a degree, your e-diagnosis means exactly nada.

You stupid motherfucker... You said that the only reason I was calling him out on being autistic was because he had admitted it; And I replied telling you that NO: I figured out he was autistic way before he openly admitted it(Or I read it), as I had done multiple times before.


Let me guess, you picked the easy signs, stereotypical behaviour, lecture style writing, and patterened speech, right? None of those things indicate any great insight. It's also very easy to mistake those with poor writing skills with the same.

I have no idea, and does it even matter how I figured it out? The fact of the matter was that I asked them, and they admitted to it.


That may not be your default opinion, but it's clear that you're using your knowledge of his Asperger's to dismiss him, rather than any genuine argument against what he has to say.

Exactly. I am using my knowledge of HIS CASE of assburgers to determine that his opinion on this subject is completely invalid because he doesn't comprehend the actual issue.


You assume that because of his Asperger's he CANNOT learn where other people are coming from or understand how they feel.

No. I am saying that he does not comprehend where other people are coming from. Whether this is because of aspergers, which it probably is, and whether he can learn it or not plays no role: At THIS moment, he is unable to comprehend it, and he should not partake in these discussions until he actually learns how the fuck to do it.


You base this on his presented stance of outdated morals, slopping on several assumptions such as that he likes child porn because he's defending it, and go full circle in your logic by saying that shows he has Asperger's.

No. I am basing this on his previous writings.


That's failure.

Okay.

[Struwwelpeter]

Iehovah: Finished.