Do You Know Where to See God?

[drBOX]

I think I do.

I recently started a job that puts me in front of people for hours on end. Sometimes, when I'm doing something inane- which doesn't require much attention, I'll watch the people go by, watch the way they interact, think about who they may be. I basically observe them, sometimes, in a detached awe. I'm one who will never get sick of observing people generally.

Anyways, perhaps because I don't get out enough, my job has put me in front of children- that is, I see more of them w/ their families than I would otherwise. I'm only 23 and have never had much interaction with children, and now that I am able to observe them, I'm in awe.

When I watch people, I watch their eyes. When watching adults, there usually isn't eye contact, and when there is it remains fleeting and mostly inane. There's simply little there for me to interpret. Perhaps it's their ego (Freudian sense of the word), no time, no interest, not even the slightest of connection.

Then, when looking at the children, I'm amazed at their eyes. Usually, when I look up at a child from focusing on something else, or going from watching their parents to watching them, their eyes are already on mine. That is, they are already watching my eyes- my emotion, the anticipation of my action, they're practically burning a hole in me they are so intense.

And like I said, I'm in awe. The impression I get is one of consciousness not enclosed by the restrictions adults may face. It is a glimpse into the infinite, and it's dizzying.

If they're not watching me, they're looking at someone else, they're eyes and actions- the child's consciousness absolutely and one hundred percent completely open to the unfiltered sensory around them.

My signature, I really believe in an importance to maintain some quality that I'm trying to describe. I think it possible, but I think it's no easy feet. I describe this quality as seemingly god-like / infinite, but would also prescribe the other extreme as evil / terminal. The evil and terminal being that (those) who would seek to destroy this consciousness in a child. Child abuse / neglect and other trauma, which would not allow the child to properly develop their consciousness while maintaining this quality.

I really believe (obvious to me) that there is evil (people) who seek to destroy not only a child, but their connection to the infinite. And because of the innocence involved, I cannot imagine anything of a more evil degree.

[Toothlessjoe]

So.... you love watching children?

[drBOX]

Don't love, just find it interesting

[Player 1]

i've noticed how children do seem to look at me more then adults just cause they want to know my secrets to being awesome

[LiquidIce]

So, you think that children are better than adults? I'd be more willing to say that they're not fully human as their brains aren't fully developed and their thinking is still not 100% conscious.

Yeah yeah, children are wonderful, but you've probably heard that not many things can be as cruel as children? Sure, you probably fell in love with the tiny boys and tiny girls with sky blue eyes... But what about the other kids, the kids that just love to pull a cats tail and hear it scream, or that poke a dying dog with a stick just to see it react? Can't forget the politics of kindergarten or earlier where it's natural to be the coolest and the wimp.

Also, it's cool to talk about the inner child and overall Freuds theory, but will you admit you wanna fuck one of your parents?

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[drBOX]

Yeah yeah, children are wonderful, but you've probably heard that not many things can be as cruel as children? Sure, you probably fell in love with the tiny boys and tiny girls with sky blue eyes... But what about the other kids, the kids that just love to pull a cats tail and hear it scream, or that poke a dying dog with a stick just to see it react? Can't forget the politics of kindergarten or earlier where it's natural to be the coolest and the wimp.

I think that's largely a myth. I don't think children are cruel. I think children are wholly forgiving and nonjudgmental.

The other kids? I would seriously blame the environment. I think a child, in a proper environment wouldn't do the things you described.

I guess I'm speaking of pretty young children, as they grow older they still have that look, but it fades.

Also, it's cool to talk about the inner child and overall Freuds theory, but will you admit you wanna fuck one of your parents?

Need to give me more of a context for that question. Do children at that stage? I haven't a clue, but would doubt it. Me specifically? No, my mom passed away when I was three.

[Lman1578]

In all seriousness though, i love kids, my little brother is awesome, hes 13 now but ive seen him as hes grown up and its been awesome. Hes a funny dude and its exiciting to see what he will be like come my age.

[Marijuanasaurus]

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I approve of no such thread:mad:

[drBOX]

In all seriousness though, i love kids, my little brother is awesome, hes 13 now but ive seen him as hes grown up and its been awesome. Hes a funny dude and its exiciting to see what he will be like come my age.

For sure. I used to date a woman who had a two year old. I met her at two, and watched her consciousness and identity develop to the age of four. Even in that somewhat small amount of time, I was absolutely amazed at the transformation that was taking place.

Had never known a child during that early a stage of development.

[LiquidIce]

Maybe it's because during that time the child's mind is molding from a semi-sentient creature into a fully conscious and rational almost-machine?

You believe that children are wholly forgiving and nonjudgmental? Can you thus say they are pure of hatred and discrimination and that these values are instilled in them later on? That they are empty of evil? Sure, people are the product of their environment to quite a large extent but... you cannot say that to a certain age a person doesn't know rage, hate, dissent or jealousy?

I think you'll agree that children, even little ones, know jealousy. If they know jealousy, what is it that stops them from knowing hatred or greed?

I wholly understand your point, at a time I too shared: I was amazed at the constant wonder in the eyes of young ones but later one I started believe that they are just biological machines, animals, living beings like billions of others on the planet. The difference? They are graced with a much more complicated brain than almost all the rest and I believe this difference is to account for wonder present in their eyes.

That and the fact that our instincts dictate that children=innocent. Imagine stomping a boot on the head of a man. Disgusting, yet acceptable if you dress him as an enemy. Now, imagine the same act, but with a child, maybe a year or two of age. Disgusting, no excuses, right? It's called being cute.

[Xlite]

I was amazed at the constant wonder in the eyes of young ones but later one I started believe that they are just biological machines, animals, living beings like billions of others on the planet. The difference? They are graced with a much more complicated brain than almost all the rest and I believe this difference is to account for wonder present in their eyes.


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[Cliche Guevara]

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It is okay for men to be around children. I spent a summer working at this Christian daycare and I find children to be very entertaining and its a shame that there is barely any male enrolment in early childhood education programs. Its probably not even possible for you to be allowed to teach around children if you showed pederastic tendencies.

Anyways, Yes I generally am always observing people whether its random people or good friends or people I just met. The non verbal cues they make, or body language, etc. And after being around children I do have to agree with you; the way a child perceives the world is radically different than the way an adult would but believe me there are kids that are absolutely wretched or totally weird. Although, you could say these are "destroyed children" you are mentioning I'm confused at what you mean by "infinite".

the child's consciousness absolutely and one hundred percent completely open to the unfiltered sensory around them.

Is this quality something every child possesses? Or at some point every child possesses this quality?

[Rizzo in a box]

Babies are buddhas, children live in Nirvana...

You have no idea how many times curious little kids have gone up to me and asked, "What are you?"

Not who are you, mind, but what, Mr. Rizzo, are you exactly?

[Zay]

I really believe (obvious to me) that there is evil (people) who seek to destroy not only a child, but their connection to the infinite. And because of the innocence involved, I cannot imagine anything of a more evil degree.

That evil you speak of is nothing less than religion, physical punishment, lies, sophistry, emotional manipulation, and any societal norms that make the kids feel guilty of being human. You don't see god in the kids' eyes, you see the ultimate human potential. What destroys that is irrationality, and the most powerful wielder of irrationality is religion and god.

Since you seem to take interest in child abuse, read this:
http://www.lostlibertycafe.com/index.php/2009/08/11/the-psychogenic-theory-of-history/

[Rizzo in a box]

That evil you speak of is nothing less than religion, physical punishment, lies, sophistry, emotional manipulation, and any societal norms that make the kids feel guilty of being human. You don't see god in the kids' eyes, you see the ultimate human potential. What destroys that is irrationality, and the most powerful wielder of irrationality is religion and god.

Since you seem to take interest in child abuse, read this:
http://www.lostlibertycafe.com/index.php/2009/08/11/the-psychogenic-theory-of-history/

Absolutely not, it is not irrationality that is holding humanity back at all. The idea that there is an "ultimate human potential" is what brought about the idea of "God" in the first place.

As long as you cling to rationality, the forces of chaos, absurdity, and weirdness will confound you. And as soon as you embrace chaos & weird, reason will reason itself out, it will take its proper place in the human psyche.