Lifestyle deception

[Dionysus]

My parents have this odd routine that I suspect isn’t exclusive to my family. It’s become a tradition to watch this stupid fucking game show and enthusiastically spar over which answer is right, usually when it gets heated there’s spittle flying, screaming, babies crying and triumphant gloating by the end. Inevitably by the end of the show one of them says “I bet I could win this show, I would have got most of them right”. When the other suggests they give it a shot the other waves them off, like they are talking crazy. I gotta say that it seems to me this ritual serves as a pleasant distraction and consolation for my otherwise low income parents, like they may be dirt poor now but millions are only an inch away if they need it, like a reserve account. If they ever hit rock bottom they at least have options.

Seems to me that many people; me included create fantastical scenarios that they can fall back on if they get desperate enough. Even in the back of my mind I have delusions of salvation from a boring life but when I analyse it clinically it seems juvanile. The real tragedy of it is that no one gets that desperate in one fell swoop, it always happens so gradually that by the time they are a few feet bellow rock bottom and are well on the way to eating shit they still don’t see the situation as desperate enough to take a major risk. It’s like an alcoholic who only needs one more drink but in reverse. I wonder if this sustained fantasy of salvation is a result of the human condition, or a new thing that has arisen out of the days of game shows and celebrities. I am inclined to think that people back in the days of black plauge and laudanem were somewhat more pragmatic and proactive, but not being alive them it really is speculation.

[Emulated_Reality]

My parents have this odd routine that I suspect isn’t exclusive to my family. It’s become a tradition to watch this stupid fucking game show and enthusiastically spar over which answer is right, usually when it gets heated there’s spittle flying, screaming, babies crying and triumphant gloating by the end. Inevitably by the end of the show one of them says “I bet I could win this show, I would have got most of them right”. When the other suggests they give it a shot the other waves them off, like they are talking crazy. I gotta say that it seems to me this ritual serves as a pleasant distraction and consolation for my otherwise low income parents, like they may be dirt poor now but millions are only an inch away if they need it, like a reserve account. If they ever hit rock bottom they at least have options.

Seems to me that many people; me included create fantastical scenarios that they can fall back on if they get desperate enough. Even in the back of my mind I have delusions of salvation from a boring life but when I analyse it clinically it seems juvanile. The real tragedy of it is that no one gets that desperate in one fell swoop, it always happens so gradually that by the time they are a few feet bellow rock bottom and are well on the way to eating shit they still don’t see the situation as desperate enough to take a major risk. It’s like an alcoholic who only needs one more drink but in reverse. I wonder if this sustained fantasy of salvation is a result of the human condition, or a new thing that has arisen out of the days of game shows and celebrities. I am inclined to think that people back in the days of black plauge and laudanem were somewhat more pragmatic and proactive, but not being alive them it really is speculation.

The human condition has been around for as long as the human has, just in different forms through time. Only the enlightened being and the depressive realist can see through all deception and illusion. Illusion is a defense mechanism, it is an adaptive way to save us from depression. Either enjoy it or change it. If you decide to change it, you are in for quite a ride.

[Chavinist]

The human condition has been around for as long as the human has, just in different forms through time. Only the enlightened being and the depressive realist can see through all deception and illusion. Illusion is a defense mechanism, it is an adaptive way to save us from depression. Either enjoy it or change it. If you decide to change it, you are in for quite a ride.

Quoted for MOTHERFUCKING TRUTH....this is very true statement.

[not me]

It was ever so. Ancient cavemen sat around the cave dreaming about striking it rich by inventing the next "fire", while their women bitched that their neighbors have a much nicer rock to beat their dirty laundry against. They dream about getting a better stick to hunt with, and the "wife" wants to redecorate the cave walls by scratching new stick figures with a flint.

[Emulated_Reality]

Quoted for MOTHERFUCKING TRUTH....this is very true statement.

Indeed.




The thanks button is over there, lol ------>>>

[Zay]

The human condition has been around for as long as the human has, just in different forms through time. Only the enlightened being and the depressive realist can see through all deception and illusion. Illusion is a defense mechanism, it is an adaptive way to save us from depression. Either enjoy it or change it. If you decide to change it, you are in for quite a ride.

Why depressive realist? Enlightenment can only come through realism, any non-realist "enlightenment" is just another illusion itself. It's a defense mechanism. Just because you hate reality doesn't mean you should lump realists as depressive. I see anything outside of rationality and realism as bullshit, and it doesn't deter me from enjoying life. I embrace it.

[Yggdrasil]

Why depressive realist? Enlightenment can only come through realism, any non-realist "enlightenment" is just another illusion itself. It's a defense mechanism. Just because you hate reality doesn't mean you should lump realists as depressive. I see anything outside of rationality and realism as bullshit, and it doesn't deter me from enjoying life. I embrace it.

Pssh! Please, you're only afforded the luxury of realism and rationality as a result of your relatively privileged existence. Ever seen the movie 'Life is Beautiful' (La vita è bella in the original Italian)? It's about a family of Italian Jews shipped off to a German concentration camp, mainly revolving around the father and his young son. To veil the reality of their condition from his innocent and vibrant little tyke, the father spins fantastical tales, bringing whimsy and life into their misery. The ending is bittersweet, and it did get some tears out of me.

Would you think it's appropriate for people in misery, poverty, etc to be genuinely realistic, to take in the full reality of their existence? No, and it's self-centred and ignorant of you to only think about yourself when saying something like that.

[Rizzo in a box]

Rationality is a hell-hole from which no joy escapes. Any action you engage in has to be non-rational, because life itself is irrational. The movement towards death, too, is irrational. In fact, the rational makes up such a small portion of life that it's almost negligible.

[Zay]

Pssh! Please, you're only afforded the luxury of realism and rationality as a result of your relatively privileged existence. Ever seen the movie 'Life is Beautiful' (La vita è bella in the original Italian)? It's about a family of Italian Jews shipped off to a German concentration camp, mainly revolving around the father and his young son. To veil the reality of their condition from his innocent and vibrant little tyke, the father spins fantastical tales, bringing whimsy and life into their misery. The ending is bittersweet, and it did get some tears out of me.

Would you think it's appropriate for people in misery, poverty, etc to be genuinely realistic, to take in the full reality of their existence? No, and it's self-centred and ignorant of you to only think about yourself when saying something like that.

I'm really not sure what exactly you're asking. Yes, I've seen La Vita E Bella. Touching movie, but I don't think it's something you can base an argument off of. "If a Jewish father told his son that him and the nazis are actually playing a game where the winner gets a tank :confused: "

Realism is the best way to deal with things like that. Yes, illusions and drugs can be temporary coping mechanisms, but we're rational beings that can never permanently escape reality. By burying your head deeper and deeper into the sand and trying harder and harder to ignore reality, you're setting yourself up for more hardship once you reach the point where you can't ignore reality any longer.

Say I stop paying my bills and trash my social relationships. Then I get depressed as biofeedback of my actions. Alternatively, I can also say I got depressed first. Then I tell myself "It's alright, I didn't need them anyways. It's ok, things will get better on their own. It's all fine, things will work themselves out." Suppose I tell myself that without doing anything. Suppose I start praying. Suppose I start doing heroine or smoking weed. Which of those options fixes anything? None. What works is me coming to terms with reality and saying, "Ok, I'm depressed because (A, B, C) are my standards for where my life should be according to circumstances, (X, Y, Z) is where I actually am right now, and (Θ, Σ, Ω) are the reasonable and realistic steps I can take that get me the closest to (A, B, C). (A, B, C) is the purpose, and my reasoning ability coupled with my self-esteem(belief that I'm deserving of A, B, C, belief that I can attain A, B, C, belief that my reasoning ability is working well enough, etc) are what get me there.

Rationality is a hell-hole from which no joy escapes. Any action you engage in has to be non-rational, because life itself is irrational. The movement towards death, too, is irrational. In fact, the rational makes up such a small portion of life that it's almost negligible.

Nothing exists outside of matter. Rationality and Logic are the optimal method of finding joy. You wont find joy outside of the material world because nothing exists outside of the material world. Life is rational, we are rational beings born with a reasoning ability in order to optimize this:

http://soe.ucdavis.edu/ms0708/180sec1/aldricha/web/Teaching%20Philosophy%20-%20Maslow's%20Hierarchy.jpg

[Rizzo in a box]

Keep parroting the ideas of others, you worthless scum sucking sore-sun of a whore.

http://www.tarotica.com/Images/presentcone.jpg

fuck yr worthless "peak" experiences, I am a parabola philosopher.

[Struwwelpeter]

Enter the 21st century male, forced to play by the rules, the false senses of equality and respect ordained to women, the lesser races, the "victims", the "people", "humans" "culture" (they really love those last two words). 21st century males have the childhoods robbed from them by forced education, manner-indoctrination, taking away from them their natural rights (to dominate, to fight, to control), et cetera. The electro-fication of man was the greatest feminizing, imprisoning injustice that was ever inflicted, it created a realm where everyone was "equal" and men had their natural advantages robbed from them it created an environment where the weak, scrawny and defective males could succeed, where the women could succeed, it caused the decline in male serum testosterone levels and the plethora of mental diseases you see floating around these days which weren't around in the greatest times of Mankind. Zoloff got it completely wrong it's the caveman days we need to go back to, or rather, the 1600s or so, when men were men and ingenuity was respected. They had it so much better back then.

[Zay]

Keep parroting the ideas of others, you worthless scum sucking sore-sun of a whore.

http://www.tarotica.com/Images/presentcone.jpg

fuck yr worthless "peak" experiences, I am a parabola philosopher.

Poppy seed tea + DLPA
http://www.zoklet.net/bbs/showthread.php?t=63329

If you'd rather chase the dragon than deal with reality, that's fine, but don't pretend your philosophy has any merit. Don't even call yourself a philosopher. You're just a junkie.

[supperrfreek]

Poppy seed tea + DLPA
http://www.zoklet.net/bbs/showthread.php?t=63329

If you'd rather chase the dragon than deal with reality, that's fine, but don't pretend your philosophy has any merit. Don't even call yourself a philosopher. You're just a junkie.
Indeed, because the second you come down off that high, you're in the same boat as the rest of us. In fact, you never left the boat to begin with; you just dozed off. That's why you have to take life straight up and try to have as few illusions about what's going on around you as possible.

[Rizzo in a box]

Indeed, because the second you come down off that high, you're in the same boat as the rest of us. In fact, you never left the boat to begin with; you just dozed off. That's why you have to take life straight up and try to have as few illusions about what's going on around you as possible.

...lol...

Your link shows nothing...

But there's no point in arguing with trolls. :)

[supperrfreek]

I think you quoted the wrong guy Rizzo.