Murder with a water jet cutter.

[ysr2096]

A water jet cutter (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_jet_cutter) is a machine that uses a high-pressure stream of water and granules of abrasive material to cut a variety of materials.

Wouldn't this be a great way to kill someone?

I have a few questions though;

How well would it cut the skin? Because human flesh is much softer, is there a chance it wouldn't be able to cut as well?

Could I fire it, sans abrasive material, into the belly button of the victim, causing internal injuries that would eventuate in death? The water would disperse leaving an otherwise untouched corpse. If viable, this would be a kickass way to obscure the nature of the murder as I doubt many investigators would come to the conclusion that they were killed by a water jet cutter, unless the victim was directly involved with them for work or whatever.

The only complications I see are of a logistical nature. Water jet cutters can be pretty large, and aquiring one might be difficult, or at least expensive. Of course, you could dispel this problem if you had access to, or could break into a factory with a water jet cutter in it. Then the foremost issue would be bringing the mark to the machine, which shouldn't be too much of an issue if you are the least bit adept at kidnapping.

[slm33d]

That would suck but imagine using a mill.

[Mantikore]

to little momentum by the particles.

i would expect the water itself to do some heavy bruising though

[theinvader]

do it!

Imagine how badly that would hurt.

I shot my thumb once with a pressure washer (about 1800PSI, it's a crappy model) and that burned like a motherfucker for 4 days. Felt worse than a thermal burn.
It was on the wide angle mode; not beaming water like a firehose.

[DrGoogfan]

my worst fear is being sandpapered to death:(

[theinvader]

ugh that would fucking suck.

[ysr2096]

to little momentum by the particles.

i would expect the water itself to do some heavy bruising though
But they can cut metal... Surely it would be able to cut human flesh as well.

[theinvader]

I wouldn't be surprised if a water cutter wouldn't cut skin; it's a lot softer and more pliable than hard metal.

[Haiti's Space Agency]

Didn't they use one of these in "The Bank Job" movie with Jason Statham? They used it to torture a guy.

[not me]

Try it on just one finger. We all want to know if it would cut it.

[DrGoogfan]

Try it on just one finger. We all want to know if it would cut it.

or a steak. be much less painfull

[ysr2096]

or a steak. be much less painfull

Found this on youtube.

knBjJMUS0Gs

[DrGoogfan]

Found this on youtube.

knBjJMUS0Gs

well, that would be a yes

[Dfg]

Hazards Specific to Jet Cutting

A high-speed jet laden with abrasives is a powerful cutting tool that easily can remove fingers and more (Figure 1). In a human, the jet can deflect off bone and inject debris into the body far beyond the visible cut.

In normal operations, the nozzle tip is within 0.060 in. from the work, so there is little chance of danger at the top of the workpiece. However, the jet retains almost full strength below the work. You may be tempted to try to support the piece being cut by placing your fingers below the work. Don't do it!
Waterjet cutting slats


A general rule for avoiding the jet hazard is "Never put your hands in the machine tank while the machine is in operation." Plan your material and part clamping so that you never need to put your hands in the tank while the jet is in operation.

The most common source of cuts in waterjet cutting is not the jet, but the slats that support the material. With use, the slats become jagged with sharp points (Figure 2). Carefully load and unload material—especially, heavy plate—to prevent pinching body parts between the plate and jagged slats.

On large machines, another slat hazard occurs from walking on the slats to remove cut parts. A slat that has weakened from cutting can fail, causing the walker to fall on other jagged slats and be severely cut. Use a board or catwalk rather than walking directly on the slat bed.

Cuts from any source provide easy access for bacteria growing in the tank water. And bacteria do grow there, often causing a foul smell in the machine area. If you have a cut on your hand, always wear rubber gloves when working with parts in the tank. The bacteria within the tank and the foul smell can be reduced by adding ozone or hot tub chemicals to the tank.


Link http://www.thefabricator.com/WaterjetCutting/WaterjetCutting_Article.cfm?ID=1964



Waterjet cutting is commonly used in the manufacturing world to cut a wide range of materials. Waterjet cutting involves a stream of highly pressurized water that is capable of cutting everything from ceramics to titanium. Sometimes, the jet is combined with abrasive materials for a cleaner cut, although this is not required. Waterjet cutting is an excellent tool for cutting materials that cannot be cut with blades and lasers, and when used properly, it is an excellent addition to the manufacturing process.

There are a number of risks associated with waterjet cutting, like most industrial processes designed to cut through materials much denser than the human body. Extreme care and proper training on the part of the operator are required to prevent injuries. Waterjet cutting should never be undertaken by someone who is intoxicated, taking judgment impairing prescription medications, tired or sick, or under the influence of other controlled substances.

A common danger associated with waterjet cutting is eye damage. Should the human eye be exposed to a high pressure jet of water, it may suffer corneal scratches, detachment of the retina, or complete dislocation. Damage to the cornea can heal, but detachment of the retina or displacement of the eye can lead to blindness. While fast healing, the eye is a delicate organ when subjected to intense forces, and it is advisable to wear solid eye protection while using a waterjet cutter.

Waterjet cutting is also associated with a high volume of noise, which can damage hearing at sustained levels. Ear protection should be worn at all times when operating a waterjet, and the user should try to remain aware of the decibel level. Prolonged exposure to high volumes of sound can lead to tinnitus, difficulty in hearing, and ultimately deafness. Most noise exposure damage is cumulative and slow, which means that the user may not be aware of the extent of damage to his or her hearing until it is too late. Regular hearing tests are highly recommended for waterjet cutting operators.

The materials used in waterjet cutting can also pose a danger to operators, especially if the jet is mixed with abrasives. If operators are cutting through toxic materials, they may be exposed to particles and fragments of the material as the waterjet works through it. Small particles of metal may also penetrate the skin, causing discomfort and infection if not addressed. It is important to keep the workspace clean in order to avoid exposure.

Another major risk associated with waterjet cutting is severe damage, especially to extremities, associated with inadvertent contact with the jet. Waterjet cutting is used to cut through extremely hard materials and is fully capable of removing a limb from an inattentive operator. More commonly, exposure to the jet results in deep puncture wounds and internal bruising or bleeding. Prompt medical attention should be received after any waterjet injury, even if there is no external damage.

To avoid injury while practicing waterjet cutting, wear eye and face protection, gloves, ear protection, and heavy garments that will protect the body from glancing contact with the waterjet.


Link: http://www.wisegeek.com/what-are-the-dangers-of-waterjet-cutting.htm


Some talk associated with this:
http://www.cnczone.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-16526.html



In short aim for the sensitive regions to get maximum damage.

[Really Awesome Nickname]

A water jet cutter (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_jet_cutter) is a machine that uses a high-pressure stream of water and granules of abrasive material to cut a variety of materials.

Wouldn't this be a great way to kill someone?

I have a few questions though;

How well would it cut the skin? Because human flesh is much softer, is there a chance it wouldn't be able to cut as well?

Could I fire it, sans abrasive material, into the belly button of the victim, causing internal injuries that would eventuate in death? The water would disperse leaving an otherwise untouched corpse. If viable, this would be a kickass way to obscure the nature of the murder as I doubt many investigators would come to the conclusion that they were killed by a water jet cutter, unless the victim was directly involved with them for work or whatever.

The only complications I see are of a logistical nature. Water jet cutters can be pretty large, and aquiring one might be difficult, or at least expensive. Of course, you could dispel this problem if you had access to, or could break into a factory with a water jet cutter in it. Then the foremost issue would be bringing the mark to the machine, which shouldn't be too much of an issue if you are the least bit adept at kidnapping.
If one thing we learned from pokemon is that water blast is pretty powerful. Specially against rock type targets, so I say, do it, you got nothing to lose :thumbsup: Only beware of picachus and other electric type shit, like toasters and computers, you are at risk. Unplug your computer and run NOW.

[Crashwangdoodle]

If one thing we learned from pokemon is that water blast is pretty powerful. Specially against rock type targets, so I say, do it, you got nothing to lose :thumbsup: Only beware of picachus and other electric type shit, like toasters and computers, you are at risk. Unplug your computer and run NOW.

I lol'd

But ya water jet cutters would most definitely cut through skin... and quite probably bone too.

When you try this out, take vids plz :thumbsup:

[DrGoogfan]

If one thing we learned from pokemon is that water blast is pretty powerful. Specially against rock type targets, so I say, do it, you got nothing to lose :thumbsup: Only beware of picachus and other electric type shit, like toasters and computers, you are at risk. Unplug your computer and run NOW.

poke'fag

[Metafire]

Why a water jet? You might as well just use a laser cutter. Cut up a few cows while you're at it, throw them in a field, blame it on the aliens.

That would be neat to see though.

[DrGoogfan]

Why a water jet? You might as well just use a laser cutter. Cut up a few cows while you're at it, throw them in a field, blame it on the aliens.

That would be neat to see though.

Co2 lasers are really fuckin expensive, but united nucler's got a nice death ray.

http://www.unitednuclear.com/deathray.htm

[Jack]

Didn't they use one of these in "The Bank Job" movie with Jason Statham? They used it to torture a guy.

It was a sandblaster.

[DrGoogfan]

It was a sandblaster.

owch

[sexualjesus]

i see what you mean about being untracable, and theres a lot of advantages with a water jet cutter comparibly, but if your looking for cheap and efficient thats almost untracable buy a $10 blowtorch from wallmart, throw it away afterwards

[slm33d]

You would have to know someone who has ready access to one, cause they sure as hell aren't under $20k for a decently powered one.
It really wouldn't be worth it unless you wanted to put them through hell because it would just spray blood everywhere.

[DrGoogfan]

You would have to know someone who has ready access to one, cause they sure as hell aren't under $20k for a decently powered one.
It really wouldn't be worth it unless you wanted to put them through hell because it would just spray blood everywhere.

mabe if u "inject" sand into a power sprayer, that would work

[grunter]

easily rip you apart. Much lower pressure would cut you too. There are stories of hydraulics bursting and ultra high pressure extremely hot oil squirts cut people open.

[SLIM]

You could do some goldfinger shit with this.

http://www.pirateslair.net/goldfinger2.jpg

[Omnibus]

No Mister Bond, I expect you to die.

[kirby]

Wow, still posting stupid threads. :lol:

"hai guys, I has water cutter, how do I cuts pplz withs it"

[ysr2096]

Wow, still posting stupid threads. :lol:

"hai guys, I has water cutter, how do I cuts pplz withs it"

Shut the fuck up or I'll fuck you up.

[kirby]

Shut the fuck up or I'll fuck you up.

Hahaha, nigger you wish. You can't find the way out of the basement.

[ysr2096]

Hahaha, nigger you wish. You can't find the way out of the basement.
You're fucking dead. My house doesn't even have a basement, bitch.

[kirby]

You're fucking dead. My house doesn't even have a basement, bitch.


Then where do you live? :confused: Bus bench?

[ysr2096]

Then where do you live? :confused: Bus bench?
Are you retarded?

"My house doesn't..."

[kirby]

Are you retarded?

"My house doesn't..."

Bitch, you don't own a house.

[ysr2096]

Bitch, you don't own a house.

Yeah, but I live in one, so this shit's mine. I bet it's nicer than the slum you live in.

[kirby]

Yeah, but I live in one, so this shit's mine. I bet it's nicer than the slum you live in.

Ain't much of a house if it got no basement. It's a shitty trailer isn't it?

[ysr2096]

Ain't much of a house if it got no basement. It's a shitty trailer isn't it?

No, it's a house. It doesn't have wheels.

Stop derailing my thread. I should warn you that I'm well connected and I've been known to exercise my powers on internet idiots, like yourself.

[kirby]

This thread was derailed the second it's author was you!

[ysr2096]

This thread was derailed the second it's author was you!
You have one more chance. Post on topic or you'll be getting a visit from a certain professional. Okay?

[Firemind]

Killing would be easy The problem is using your own water cutter. The evidence would be everywhere. So I would advise, Trespassing in to a facility that has one, with your victim and use it there. You want to learn how to use it before hand. So you can actually operate it.

[Dfg]

You have one more chance. Post on topic or you'll be getting a visit from a certain professional. Okay?

Stop de-railing your own thread moron.
:picard:

[Metafire]

Back on topic, what happens to all of the bloody runoff? If you're using the waterjet to cut the body up into disposable chunks too, you're going to have a lot of stuff to contain. Be aware, I've never actually seen or used one of these machines in person.

That has got to be painful though. I just imagine all of those large industrial machines being used to torture people. Like those huge meat processing plants or a lumber mill. Itchy and Scratchy can't do those sorts of things justice. Not in the least.

[Firemind]

Back on topic, what happens to all of the bloody runoff? If you're using the waterjet to cut the body up into disposable chunks too, you're going to have a lot of stuff to contain. Be aware, I've never actually seen or used one of these machines in person.

That has got to be painful though. I just imagine all of those large industrial machines being used to torture people. Like those huge meat processing plants or a lumber mill. Itchy and Scratchy can't do those sorts of things justice. Not in the least.

No matter what it doesn't work. When you blast the victim blood will just spray everywhere, and you'll have a bigger mess than you began with. It just is another demented way to kill.

[Metafire]

No matter what it doesn't work. When you blast the victim blood will just spray everywhere, and you'll have a bigger mess than you began with. It just is another demented way to kill.

That would be ridiculous. I think that humans need a coliseum of sorts though, to test these sorts of things, as well as life questions.

Like the one about pulling your guts out of your ass and living like that. It's kind of a shame that we became more "civilized".

[DrGoogfan]

it would probably be easier to just use cyanide

[Firemind]

That would be ridiculous. I think that humans need a coliseum of sorts though, to test these sorts of things, as well as life questions.

Like the one about pulling your guts out of your ass and living like that. It's kind of a shame that we became more "civilized".

I guess...:hrmph:

[Bender]

I think unless your planning on killing someone whos dead form the waist down this would be hard. It doesn't look very portable. I take it that its a huge piece of machinery to shoot water at a force that it would cut a solid object.

PS Didn't read all the posts.

[DrGoogfan]

Stop de-railing your own thread moron.
:picard:

why the pic of the black hole man?

[Firemind]

I think unless your planning on killing someone whos dead form the waist down this would be hard. It doesn't look very portable. I take it that its a huge piece of machinery to shoot water at a force that it would cut a solid object.

PS Didn't read all the posts.

Not necessarily, if the dude is bound, it should be a synch dragging them and all.

[Metafire]

Not necessarily, if the dude is bound, it should be a synch dragging them and all.

As a future note, the proper term is cinch. I'm saying that in a non-condescending way. Just want you to know that for the future.

[theavenger]

easily rip you apart. Much lower pressure would cut you too. There are stories of hydraulics bursting and ultra high pressure extremely hot oil squirts cut people open.
At one job I worked at, some guy working in one of the plants got his forearm cut off because of a high pressure line failing.

Annnddd I am pretty sure the vid said it all + death ray ftw.

[Firemind]

As a future note, the proper term is cinch. I'm saying that in a non-condescending way. Just want you to know that for the future.

Yes, I understand. Thanks.:thumbsup: