This forum has idiots in it. (ilovechronic)

[Live From The Gutter]

I have already seen plenty of misinformed stupid ignorant posts from a couple members that i can remember off hand.

I remember Cboys once saying that .22LR was the most underestimated round.

I personally agree with this statement, and add that I wouldn't feel undergunned with a .22LR handgun, given the right ammo.

Much less with a good rifle.

Well buddy even though you don't feel under gunned you are. A .22lr round will not penetrate efficiently,even less penetration if the person is wearing thick clothing or a jacket.
You may have heard that .22lr is under rated because its really cheap and abundant and maybe useful in a survival situation when nothing else is available.

i am not going to say i am an expert but i do no a .22lr CAN kill and does kill. Are you a fuking moron or what? Of course a .22lr can kill someone. I have seen cases.

Infact I recall a local case where a man was in his garage and the killer came up and tried to rob him. The man tried to run inside and was shot in the back ONCE and died almost instantly.
You are a fool to think a .22lr is not lethal. Shoot yourself in the chest if you thnk it is not letha, report back with results and pics. :rolleyes:

i would like to know where you got the idea that a .22lr is not deadly. Sure a .22short is going to be poor for defense. Get your facts right. if the .22lr was just a weak little nonlethal round dont you think it would be advertised as nonlethal? dont you think you would be able to get a .22lr as easy as a bb gun. you could kill someone with a pellet gun with the right shot placement.(with a mor powerful break action pellet gun which shoot 600-1000fps)1000fps is as fast as a .45acp can shoot.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBDzKfKX_yw first part of the vid is .22lr

http://www.goldenloki.com/ammo/gel/22lr/gel22lr.htm more than enough penetration

cci stinger expanded to .357.

Haha you are a stupid ass cunt. The cci stinger barely penetrated 6 inches in basic ballistic gelatin. If one layer of denim was over the surface it would penetrate 3-4 inches max WAY less than the required 12 inch penetration for RELIABLE self defense round.
One more thing you're spelling and English is horrible. You must be very young and I'm willing to bet you don't know much about anything judging from your gay fag comments.

I hope others on this board are more intelligent than these fucks.

[averylongnamethatislong]

Wow. Stop crying you fuck. Nobody cares.

[blue_monday]

*sigh*
I think you're looking for bad ideas, it's a little further south of here

[5.56 SS109]

I'm not a fan of the .22, but if that's all I had to carry, I would.

I'd aim for the throat and eyes if possible.

But COM shots are a no go with those little guns.


In all honesty though, since you like putting up shit talking videos without really proving anything you say is true.

I have an idea for you.

Set up your camera, get a .22 pistol, and shoot yourself in the foot.

Then post it up and show us how you just shrugged it off.

[Live From The Gutter]

Wow

I didn't think everyone would come and prove my point right away.

[emag]

A .22 can kill...if placed in just the right spot. But they're not very devastating otherwise. My dad worked in the ER in NO for over 20 years and he has lots of stories about black people who came in with multiple wounds from a .22 at almost point blank range and didn't get seriously injured.
One story that sticks in my mind is this guy who's wife shot him 23 times with a rifle. They were arguing outside and she went inside and came back out with the rifle and started shooting, he tried to hide under his car but she walked over to it and bent down and held the gun pointed under the car and blindly pulled the trigger. She reloaded at least 3 times before a neighbor finally ran over and pulled her away. The guy left the hospital within a week.

[averylongnamethatislong]

you havent shot your self in the foot yet?

Get fucking to it.

[AnalHerpes]

Wow

I didn't think everyone would come and prove my point right away.

We're stupid, deal with it. :rolleyes:

[5.56 SS109]

A .22 can kill...if placed in just the right spot. But they're not very devastating otherwise. My dad worked in the ER in NO for over 20 years and he has lots of stories about black people who came in with multiple wounds from a .22

The correct term is African Americans.

You racist bastard.

:rolleyes:

[The English Gentleman]

I remember Cboys once saying that .22LR was the most underestimated round.

I personally agree with this statement, and add that I wouldn't feel undergunned with a .22LR handgun, given the right ammo.

Much less with a good rifle.



More important does this not imply the guy believes a .22lr handgun is more deadly than a .22r rifle?

However I sill believe that a .22 is dangerous, you never know, it could hit the eye or it could pierce an artery when it hits you and you could bleed out. It is a fallacy to underestimate the dangers of any round, irresponsible and damaging to the shooting sport.

[ilovechronic]

i am guessing this is FNIC. lol i never said its the worlds strongest and most deadly round I just said that it IS a lethal round and CAN kill. Maybe you can't read?

Apparently you missed the post with the .22lethality at 300 yds? This was in the .22lr thread.

and i didnt mean that I outgunned FNIC. I meant that FNIC is out gunned by all the "white people " he was going to start killing. because he said something like "i am going to just start killing white people when Shit ahappens" or something like that. And he IS outgunned because people do have bigger and better guns that reach out farther than his little hi power.



Also a cci stinger may have penetrated 6 inches, how about you put one in your chest right where you think your heart is and tell me its not deadly. Or how about your head. Tell me 6inches is not enough. I don't see why it would be a problem for you sence it "only penetrated 6 inches," taking one in the chest it would almost be at your back if it didnt hit any ribs. Also we dont know the length of that barrel that they shot it out of, it could have been a 2inch barrel or 20 inch.

FNIC seriously just go back to bad ideas where you can have your flame fest and call people faggets and tell them you will bust capz in them all day. It is really quite obvious it is you. 2 post, recently joined.

Its funny, my english may not be great when i am typing on a FORUM but I have done just fine in all the english classes I ever took and all the papers i have written. Dude, me and lavared are regulars witht he w&c folks, you are a nobody. If you want to contribute YOUR OPINNION about .22 long rifle rounds that is fine, but don't sit here and try to insult the regulars. If you don't like seeing wht other people have to say then go find your own forum or make your own and sit there by yourself. Argue withyourself.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IO_TLCXNCro
That was more than 6 inches

http://www.firearmstactical.com/briefs27.htm
"CCI Stinger is very popular as a personal defense cartridge, primarily due to its high-velocity hollowpoint bullet. When Stinger is fired from a .25 ACP-sized handgun, the short barrel does not allow the bullet to reach the velocity it needs to expand. The bullet's failure to expand permits it to penetrate more deeply."
Wow thats weird, I am not the first to claim cci stingers are used for defense? hmm?

Averages 987 30.7cm (12")*
hmm why does it say that the CCI stinger penetrated 30 centimeters on average?
Thats 12.1 inches
THAT IS OUT OF A 2.4INCH BARREL.
"*Penetration average excludes shots D and E. It should be noted that the calibration BB penetrated approximately 13-percent deeper than the calibration standard. As a result, the bullets will not penetrate standard gelatin as deeply as listed here. "
So it wil perform 13% less than the results he had due to the calibration of the ballistics gelatin.

"Stinger demonstrated slightly superior penetration performance than Viper. Stinger's penetration performance is marginal at best, but it's probably the best choice for a small 2 1/2-inch automatic pistol."

It is commonly used as a defense round. end of story, you can go ahead and try to change peoples minds but looks like they have already made them up.
The quikshok round is the one that typically produces 6inches of penetration. if going by the ballistics results make me an idot then I guess I am a idot. ;)
You make your claims but you dont back them up,end of discussion.

[Carbonbased]

Don't feed the troll! :mad:

[PirateJoe]

I have already seen plenty of misinformed stupid ignorant posts from a couple members that i can remember off hand.



Well buddy even though you don't feel under gunned you are. A .22lr round will not penetrate efficiently,even less penetration if the person is wearing thick clothing or a jacket.
You may have heard that .22lr is under rated because its really cheap and abundant and maybe useful in a survival situation when nothing else is available.



.22lr traveling through 6 layers of clothing and a turkey (http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=504301&fpart=1)

Also, 6 inches of penetration is more than enough penetration to kill somebody. The .22lr may not be a great self defense round, but that's not what ilovechronic said, he only said that .22lr can and has killed people, which is undeniably true.

Also, .22lr can have better penetration than .32 acp

http://www.goldenloki.com/ammo/gel/32acp/gel32acp.htm
http://www.goldenloki.com/ammo/gel/22lr/gel22lr.htm

Of course, we all know that there's more to a good self defense round than penetration, but when that's all you talk about, you kind of invite this kind of rebuttal.

[The Swede]

OP, you seriously need to get a fucking life...

[AnalHerpes]

I also recall hearing of some statistic that indicate that more people are killed by .22s each year than any other caliber (though I'm pretty sure this is only talking about usage in crime).

[Psionicist]

One more thing you're spelling and English is horrible.

Please, please dear god tell me that you are trolling.

[freeRadical]

I have already seen plenty of misinformed stupid ignorant posts from a couple members that i can remember off hand.



Well buddy even though you don't feel under gunned you are. A .22lr round will not penetrate efficiently,even less penetration if the person is wearing thick clothing or a jacket.
You may have heard that .22lr is under rated because its really cheap and abundant and maybe useful in a survival situation when nothing else is available.



Haha you are a stupid ass cunt. The cci stinger barely penetrated 6 inches in basic ballistic gelatin. If one layer of denim was over the surface it would penetrate 3-4 inches max WAY less than the required 12 inch penetration for RELIABLE self defense round.
One more thing you're spelling and English is horrible. You must be very young and I'm willing to bet you don't know much about anything judging from your gay fag comments.

I hope others on this board are more intelligent than these fucks.

I know LavaRed and he is pretty on point when it comes to this shit. Granted, I don't agree with a lot of what he says, it doesn't mean he doesn't know his shit. I don't know ilovechronic very well, so I can't say anything about him or her. I will disagree about what they both said about .22lr though. Besides all that, who the fuck are you? I haven't seen you make any intelligent posts. Why don't you stop bitching, and instead of whining about them both being wrong, why don't you rebuttal them and post an intelligent response with facts and evidence?

A .22lr CAN kill. It is a lethal round. But as a reliable self-defense round, I wouldn't bet my life on it.

[ilovechronic]

How exactly am I wrong^?

I didnt say it was a reliable defense round. I just said it can be used for defense, gave an example of what round would be used for defense. I said it can and will kill people and does kill people.

What exactly do you disagree with.

[Struwwelpeter]

I guess I'll add my two cents, warning.

I've seen someone get shot with a .22LR SNP from about ten feet away, center of mass. They hit the ground pretty quick. Penetration is overrated especially by the FBI and other organizations that create meaningless "twelve inch" rules. This person's nervous system was clearly stimulated by the hydrostatic shock and they most certainly could not have gotten up and attacked someone upon getting hit, let alone with a few more hits to center mass. Anyway they're partially paralyzed now and they've got loss of bowel control. Of course, the results will vary from person to person, but I myself would bet my life on a .22LR after having seen that.

[Live From The Gutter]

I guess I'll add my two cents, warning.

I've seen someone get shot with a .22LR SNP from about ten feet away, center of mass. They hit the ground pretty quick. Penetration is overrated especially by the FBI and other organizations that create meaningless "twelve inch" rules. This person's nervous system was clearly stimulated by the hydrostatic shock and they most certainly could not have gotten up and attacked someone upon getting hit, let alone with a few more hits to center mass. Anyway they're partially paralyzed now and they've got loss of bowel control. Of course, the results will vary from person to person, but I myself would bet my life on a .22LR after having seen that.

LIAR

[freeRadical]

I guess I'll add my two cents, warning.

I've seen someone get shot with a .22LR SNP from about ten feet away, center of mass. They hit the ground pretty quick. Penetration is overrated especially by the FBI and other organizations that create meaningless "twelve inch" rules. This person's nervous system was clearly stimulated by the hydrostatic shock and they most certainly could not have gotten up and attacked someone upon getting hit, let alone with a few more hits to center mass. Anyway they're partially paralyzed now and they've got loss of bowel control. Of course, the results will vary from person to person, but I myself would bet my life on a .22LR after having seen that.

Was it shot outta of rifle or a handgun?

[blue_monday]

Dear OP,

Please proceed to gtfo, leave, never come back and so forth. Or at least quit being such a troll.

Sincerely,
blue_monday

p.s.
:fap:lol

[Struwwelpeter]

Free radical, that would be a revolving-action handgun, snub barrel.

[LavaRed]

I have already seen plenty of misinformed stupid ignorant posts from a couple members that i can remember off hand.



Well buddy even though you don't feel under gunned you are. A .22lr round will not penetrate efficiently,even less penetration if the person is wearing thick clothing or a jacket.
You may have heard that .22lr is under rated because its really cheap and abundant and maybe useful in a survival situation when nothing else is available.


I guess it all comes down to the way you use your handgun. I suppose a .22LR shot in the eye will do some significant damage.
But what do I know?

Oh, and English, My statement does not imply that I feel a .22LR handgun is superior to a .22LR rifle. But if its all I have its better than nothing.
Of course I don't carry a .22LR handgun around, but a 9mm and a .38spl.

[Struwwelpeter]

The Jokela School Shooting

The Jokela school shooting occurred on 7 November 2007, at Jokela High School (Finnish: Jokelan koulukeskus[4]), a public secondary school in the town of Jokela (pronunciation in IPA: [ˈjokelɑ]), part of the municipality of Tuusula, Finland. The gunman was 18-year-old Pekka-Eric Auvinen, who was one of the school's students.

Auvinen killed nine people: five male students (ages 16-18) and one female adult student (age 25);[5] the school principal, Helena Kalmi (age 61); the school nurse (age 43); and Auvinen himself.[2][3] One other person suffered gunshot wounds, and eleven people were injured by shattering glass while escaping from the school building. The morning of the incident, Auvinen posted a video on YouTube announcing the massacre at the school.

This was the second school shooting in the history of Finland. The previous incident occurred in 1989 at the Raumanmeri school in Rauma, when a 14-year-old fatally shot two fellow students.[6] Less than a year after the Jokela shooting, on 23 September, 2008, another one took place, in Kauhajoki, where a gunman shot and killed 10 people before killing himself.

In other words, out of the ten people shot by an untrained child with a Sig Mosquito .22LR, nine of them were killed. That's a better ratio of relative lethality than the Columbine shooters achieved with pipe bombs, shotguns, a carbine and a handgun. That's also a better lethality rate than what Cho Seung Hui achieved with his Walther P22 and his Glock. Time and time again the .22LR has shown to be more deadly than the twelve gauge, 7.62X39, 9mm, .223 etc.

Now, how long will it be before people finally admit that it is an acceptable self-defense round? It's only a matter of the tacticool posers getting rid of their novel mentality, as well as a better understanding of ballistics, physics and human anatomy in the general population.

[1983]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QS31Gm9tIig

Problem solved.

[fire_jade]

One more thing you're spelling and English is horrible. You must be very young (...) from your gay fag comments.


Oh the irony.

[freeRadical]

The Jokela School Shooting


In other words, out of the ten people shot by an untrained child with a Sig Mosquito .22LR, nine of them were killed. That's a better ratio of relative lethality than the Columbine shooters achieved with pipe bombs, shotguns, a carbine and a handgun. That's also a better lethality rate than what Cho Seung Hui achieved with his Walther P22 and his Glock. Time and time again the .22LR has shown to be more deadly than the twelve gauge, 7.62X39, 9mm, .223 etc.

First off,


Watching from their classroom window, students saw Kalmi first fleeing the attacker, but later she went back. She was shot seven times in view of a group of ninth graders (last grade of junior high school) in the school yard.[7] Later the school nurse, 43, tried to help injured students, but Auvinen shot and killed her too

It took seven shots for him to kill her with a .22.

Second,

The police found 76 shells and hundreds of rounds of ammunition at the scene.

So, out of 76 shots fired he only killed 8 people not including himself.

Third,

The attack ended after 40 minutes when Auvinen turned the gun on himself, inflicting an ultimately fatal wound to his head at 12:24. The police did not however storm the school until 1.5 hours later at 13:53, more than two hours after being alerted at 11.45. Auvinen was found in a school toilet still alive but unconscious at 13:54.

He shot himself in the head, at point blank rage, at 12:24 but he was still alive an hour and a half later at 1:54.

I'm sorry but if I shot myself in the head with my .45, I would be dead instantly. I wouldn't be alive an hour and a half later because I wouldn't have a head.

Now, how long will it be before people finally admit that it is an acceptable self-defense round? It's only a matter of the tacticool posers getting rid of their novel mentality, as well as a better understanding of ballistics, physics and human anatomy in the general population.

Never. I will never admit that a .22 is a good defensive round. Never

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jokela_school_shooting

[The Swede]

Who said it was good? It's acceptable, there's a fucking diffrence.


Damn some pepole are really fucking ignorant

[freeRadical]

Time and time again the .22LR has shown to be more deadly than the twelve gauge, 7.62X39, 9mm, .223 etc.

:facepalm:

[crizzlE]

.22lr are pussy, be a real man and blast someones head off with a fucking 50 cal

[The Swede]

.22lr are pussy, be a real man and blast someones head off with a fucking 50 cal

:facepalm:

[Virus]

I could kill all of you with a .22 Short.


I could kill all of you with any cartridge.


"Lethality" is a joke. It's all about where the bullet hits.

I could also kill all of you with a number 8 shell.

Seriously, caliber wars are pointless.

[The English Gentleman]

Seriously, caliber wars are pointless.

Not really, they show how unsafe and ignorant people are.

[Live From The Gutter]

I could kill all of you with a .22 Short.


I could kill all of you with any cartridge.


"Lethality" is a joke. It's all about where the bullet hits.

I could also kill all of you with a number 8 shell.

Seriously, caliber wars are pointless.

Do you want a .22 short while there are ten niggers kicking in your door to rape you analy with a cactus?
No. I'll stick with my 9mm at least. A .22 short wont even penetrate a thick denim jacket

[bornkiller]

I could kill all of you with a .22 Short.


I could kill all of you with any cartridge.


"Lethality" is a joke. It's all about where the bullet hits.

I could also kill all of you with a number 8 shell.

Seriously, caliber wars are pointless.
I love these posts ^ considering I could do it with a baseball bat :D

[Live From The Gutter]

Also for it having low stopping power its defensive capabilities are even more shitty because of the fact that .22 is rim fire meaning lots of misfires.

[ilovechronic]

Also for it having low stopping power its defensive capabilities are even more shitty because of the fact that .22 is rim fire meaning lots of misfires.

i dont ever have misfires. Maybe your are using cheap ammo? With quality ammo my .22 runs fine with no misfires.

[Struwwelpeter]

I never had a rimfire misfire either, only centerfire. This forum has maggots in it.

[reggie_love]

For the love of God, people, let this thread die.

[The English Gentleman]

I never had a rimfire misfire either, only centerfire. This forum has maggots in it.

After several thousand rounds through the schools anchutz I had one round which did not go off, so I simply recocked and pulled the trigger again.