question about making a NEW identity

[macnolias]

Well I'm running into a bit of trouble obtaining a new identity provided the methods of the only useful books I could find.

change your identity 2009 by ariza research
no ss number by unknown

In reading it looks like the easiest way to make a new identity it to obtain a birth certificate from an infant that died before 1988. An infant was never issued a social security number thus never being reported to the social security death index. One other thing is that they had to born/die in different states.

Finding an infant that matches the criteria isn't a difficult task to accomplish. The problem is finding some of the key information that you need to obtain a birth certificate. Supposedly birth and death records are public information but it doesn't seem that way when ordering them. When ordering a certificate you need information that isn't easily obtainable.

Father full name
Mothers maiden name
City of birth

You can go to rootsweb and find most of the basic information needed like name, birth date, state born in, and state of death.

The question is where do you get the extra information needed?

Does anyone know of a good source for various scans of birth certificates?

Any other useful ideas welcome!

[stdismas]

The problem with companies like Ariza Research is that they're just "secret!!!" book mills. They sell old books that might be updated with some new information, but were originally written 20 years ago when ID was simpler. If you look at their front page, http://www.ariza-research.com/ every other book they sell is "Secrets of Wealth!!!" "Secrets of Love!!!", etc., basically sucker deals for desperate people. I just found it on torrent for free.

Did their book tell you to find a dead infant's bc? It just seems funny, what with their whole ad page for that book saying that their method absolutely doesn't involve doing that. :)

This site: http://www.vitalrec.com/ is really good for telling you state-to-state info about what you need to obtain birth, death, etc. records.

Then if you go to Ancestry.com and do a Birth Index search on your target, often it'll give you the father's full name right there on the sample page. If you want to go further, click to View the Report, it'll offer you a 14 day free trial, just make sure you cancel in time so your card isn't charged. Plus you can search by city of birth, so you'll already have that, if you're still looking for a good target.

Mother's maiden name might be available in their report, I'm not sure. But if you sign up for a site like www.publicdata.com, you can search Voting Records for a lot of states, which often contain a woman's maiden name in them. If you can't find it there, you can search to see if you can find her parents' driver's licenses, or maybe a brother, since they'll still bear her original name.

It will probably be a long search process, not going to lie to you. :) Especially going through all that *and* finding a baby that died in another state, *and* where the state allows strangers to legally request that baby's birth certificate. Just do your research on state requirements and don't be afraid to e-mail their vital statistics departments to ask if you don't see them listed anywhere.

[macnolias]

I torrented the books as well so don't worry about me losing out on any money :biggrin:

Also I did go threw vitalchek and submitted my cs4ed version of my DL to them to complete the request. The problem is that I might not even receive the copy and flush my $24 request down the toilet since I'm lacking a vital parts like the parents full names and city of birth. They say I have a shot though but it's prob a way to make a quick couple bucks for them.

I did check out ancestry a few weeks ago and even signed up for a trial that I canceled already due to lack of useful information. Only certain states have the parents name but they'd be lacking information in another category.

So using publicdata.com will end up being worthless without a full name of one of the parents correct?

Have you tried doing this yourself?

btw do you have a login for publicdata?

[stdismas]

I torrented the books as well so don't worry about me losing out on any money :biggrin:

Good on yer, mate. :)

I did check out ancestry a few weeks ago and even signed up for a trial that I canceled already due to lack of useful information. Only certain states have the parents name but they'd be lacking information in another category.

If you don't mind my asking, how did you settle on your target infant?

So using publicdata.com will end up being worthless without a full name of one of the parents correct?

Sort of. It can search partial names, and a middle name isn't required...you need a full last name, which you should have from the baby, and then suggested first name. It'll match up, say, all the John Smiths in Florida, and present a list of John Alan Smith, John Bert Smith, etc.

Have you tried doing this yourself?

About ten years ago, although I didn't know as much about finding this info out as I do now, so I got stalled the same ways that you are. I've been thinking about it, and I think I actually did pay for that exact same Ariza document back then for like $10, heh. :)

btw do you have a login for publicdata?

Yes, but it's only $9.95 for 400 lookups in all their databases per month, and I paid for mine. Sorry, not sharing with a stranger. :) It really is a great site for stuff like this, though, if you've got enough name information to work with.

[macnolias]

Well to be honest I did pay for the newest ariza the 2009 since the last torrent version of it I could torrent was 2007. I thought their would be some new useful information but it's basically all the same bs besides the fact that they like to talk about the Real ID act for endless pages.

Also the only useful information that I found on ancestry is the same stuff that you can find on rootsweb for free.

If you don't mind me asking... why do you pay $10 a month for the service? as in what do you use it for?

As for the infant someone around my age died before 1988 (says ariza) born and dead in two different states hopefully the same race as me :rolleyes:. Also do a cross reference with any possible entry in the social security index.

I might even try to live without a social once I get the certificate in the mail or forge one which is easy enough in CS4. You can go over to Tennessee and get an ID without even a social security number.

Do you have any suggestions on finding birth certificate templates? I'd like to find a single sided ones scanned in decent resolution preferably from the late 70's early 80's. I wonder if anyone on here would be willing to accommodate me with one with their original information blurred out....... As you know all the ones issued nowadays are the standard long form ones that are watermarked on both sides and not something I'd like to play around with.

Nobody else has even read into this subject? Hopefully this is in the right section.

[stdismas]

It always pisses me off when companies screw you like that...just like "Who Are You" by Scott French...it barely even touches on obtaining illegal IDs, he spends more time covering his ass legally than giving you actual knowledge. I'm so glad I stole it instead of paying for it. Most of it's just about how the legal ID system works, not even really about how to get a new identity.

About the birth certificates...have you thought about just ordering your own, and scanning the brand new one? Rather than trying to mess with really old ones, where you not only have to deal with watermarks, but the creased, old paper messing up your scan and printout. It seems just as likely that DMV's and so on would accept a brand new one, because not everybody keeps their old one. I'm not sure where you could find a reliable blank template.

I turn my Publicdata acct on and off as I need it...I just have some really unusual hobbies. :) I originally got it way back when because of what you're going through right now...then I kept using it because it was great for getting personal info on people for, say, tricking out password reset functions on e-mail accounts that require their birthday, and so on. When I worked in loss prevention, I'd run plates on it to ID shoplifters that fled in their cars.

Frankly, I'm astonished no one's posted useless stuff. :) (Totally just jinxed it.) I'm getting intrigued by this again, too, and want to see if I can pull it off myself.

One of the things I used to do when I owned a couple of Eltron ID printers was just make fake supplemental ID's (student IDs, IDs that looked like some official out-of-state ID, etc.) that contained real information linking to a real adult who matched my general physical description, just with my pic on them instead. It wasn't anything as good as a driver's license, but it was good for getting student discounts at movies, and when I sold a stolen teacher's textbook back to the college bookstore, I used an ID with the name of a student I didn't like on it. :) Meh...even if you can't get a DL, a wallet full of supplemental photo ID might still get you an edge in some things.

[Ford Prefect]

Old. The dead baby loophole was closed up ages ago. Unless you've got somebody that can make you unbelievable (or rather, extremely believable) forgeries, if you want a new identity you're gonna have to steal it.

[macnolias]

About the birth certificates...have you thought about just ordering your own, and scanning the brand new one? Rather than trying to mess with really old ones, where you not only have to deal with watermarks, but the creased, old paper messing up your scan and printout. It seems just as likely that DMV's and so on would accept a brand new one, because not everybody keeps their old one. I'm not sure where you could find a reliable blank template.



Well the problem with it is the watermarks on both sides of the new birth certificates. If I got my hands on a roll of that paper they use I'd be in business :D. I'm about to pick up a high quality Microtek scanner today that will be able to scan legal size documents which are what the new long birth certificates are nowadays. With the nation having a standardized birth certificate it makes forging it a lot harder than one that was issued in the 80's I'm sure. Also I'm sure it's a lot more difficult to tell if an older BC is fake or not.

I was also researching ID printers last night... do you think a high quality one would be able to print a legit looking drivers license? I was reading a story about in Arizona how border crossers are paying 150 bucks to get setup with a green card, social security card, and a legit looking ID.

So a good enough machine will be able to print just about anything but it wouldn't stand a chance against cops running the DL number.

I'm also amazed that nobody else has even thought about making a new identity especially with how easy it is to ruin your credit and get in trouble with the law. Who wouldn't want to become a new person :cool:

Ford what makes you so sure it's all closed down? and what the hell are you talking about someone making believable or unbelievable? To me that whole sentence made 0 sense...

[stdismas]

He meant "unbelievably good" forgeries. More later. :)

[macnolias]

K looking forward to the reply... at least someone other than myself has interst in this subject :D

If I pull this off I don't think that I'll even try to get a social security number. That just gives THE MAN one more way to track you down.

I talked some guy on ebay to sell me a microtek i700 for $100. Anyone have any scanner experience? All I have to do now is find a good printer that won't write VOID across everything when and if I try to print watermarked documents...

[stdismas]

With the nation having a standardized birth certificate it makes forging it a lot harder than one that was issued in the 80's I'm sure. Also I'm sure it's a lot more difficult to tell if an older BC is fake or not.

Are they standardized nowadays? The only results I could find online from news articles about identity theft kept saying there was no national standard.

It's a quandary...if you want to fake an older birth certificate, you need materials that are genuinely old, not just printing up something new and then false-aging it. If it's going to pass a hard check, anyways. And if you go for a genuine copy of someone else's, I'd think any copies would be either a photocopy of the original document, or a new document with the original information printed on it.

I'm going to test it by ordering a copy of my own original birth certificate, and see what they send me. It'll be a few weeks before I can get back to you on that. :)

As for finding father's full name, mother's maiden, etc. for an infant death identity, it looks like you can get all that off a genuine death certificate. (Ancestry and Rootsweb don't seem to include all the info in their Death Index searches.) I'm judging this by the death certificates pulled up in Google Images, so it might be inaccurate. I'm going to order one randomly and find out. It turns out anyone at all can order "informational" death certificates, they're the same as certified ones, just with "uncertified, not for identity verification" printed across them. Skip sites like Vitalchek or Vitalrec or whatever and just Google up the actual county recorder you need. It saves you the extra $6 processing fee those sites charge.

I also found out something interesting about b.c. ordering that I'll PM you privately, because I don't want amateurs screwing up a good source in case it works out for us first. :)

I was also researching ID printers last night... do you think a high quality one would be able to print a legit looking drivers license? I was reading a story about in Arizona how border crossers are paying 150 bucks to get setup with a green card, social security card, and a legit looking ID.
A high quality printer could produce a completely legit looking DL, as long as you don't try to run it by a cop. They print the dye thermally straight onto the plastic, and most people don't realize anyone can buy printers that do that. The main problem I had was the plastic cards used were too thick and unbending to be DLs. I'd bet you could still pass them off, say, if you used an out of state DL to rent a small-time mail-copy shop postal box as your drop for ordering things illegally. I know how my state's DL feels, but I have no idea if the next state over uses a thicker card, right?

And jeez, $150 for all that? I used to charge $30 just to make someone a fake student ID. :)

Yeah, I wouldn't worry about the SSN either. If you're not using your new identity to apply for a job, a bank loan or something, there's no real reason to need one. If you do make fake ID using the info of a real person with your pic instead, though, you could always use their SSN up until you get the money (or whatever) and then abandon the identity.

[macnolias]

I'm not worried about printing anything with the help of CS4. Also if you just call up the vital statistics in the state you were born you can just ask them on the phone if the certificate is a standardized long form bitch certificate. From google images of birth certificates I've seen a few that look like the ones of FL so I'm guessing it's true.

To order the death certificates you need just about all the same information as ordering a birth certificate. I have a couple of books/websites that show the requirements for ordering a BC at least.

If I were to get an ID printer it wouldn't be to print a DL from the states since cops can run them in half a second and won't let you drive away until they do. The purpose of it would be to print a DL from a different country. I was just pulled over a week ago and after the cop had me in the back of his cop car he ran the license of the girl I was with. It was a barbados DL and he can't verify it or say anything about it so he let her drive my car away instead of being a dick about it and towing it.

I sent you a private message btw.

[tusk]

There is a sure fire method for a new dl that is legal and valid that no one has explored. Find someone with downs sydrome or such that has never had a dl. Give him some cash to use his ss# and birth certificate. Your road ready. Anyone have any luck getting a out of country dl in a different name>

[samguy700]

how about find a drifter and trade ids?

[PirateJoe]

Old. The dead baby loophole was closed up ages ago. Unless you've got somebody that can make you unbelievable (or rather, extremely believable) forgeries, if you want a new identity you're gonna have to steal it.

Honestly though, how hard would that be? My birth certificate is a simple half sheet of paper, with typewritten info, a black state seal (not watermarked), and a doctor's signature.

It seems to me this would be incredibly easy to forge.

[macnolias]

Well Ford Prefect is a fucking idiot. I figured it all out and it worked for who it needed to work for. Thanks none of you besides stdismas all for the worthless input.

I wouldn't mind finding some .psd birth certificates to play around with in my free time but we're all a bunch of greedy fuckers in these parts.

[zunox1]

...When I worked in loss prevention, I'd run plates on it to ID shoplifters that fled in their cars.

this Publicdata site allows you to search plates? will it tell you where the people live? I'm sorry i have no relevant information on the subject of this topic, but I need something cheap that will search plates and give me addresses, and this caught my eye. OP: it sounds like you are really on the right track, only missing a few tiny pieces of data. keep going, and good luck!

[macnolias]

hey at least you have an inquisitive mind. actually you should send std a message since he's more informed on that portion of things.

btw the track is done and laid and rolled on. it was fun figuring out all of the bs on my own even though it wasn't much. the most fun is making docs but I'm still trying to stockpile on docs for the sake of shits and giggles

[syntheticsinner]

hey i know I'm resurrecting an old forum that was literally 3 years ago. but hey i'm also into the whole "changing your identity" aspect. what conclusion did you macnolias and stdismas come to? btw i've read multiple books online like the change ID bible which seems to have promising results. but not sure.