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ArmsMerchant
11-10-2009, 07:58 PM
Someone asked me about this recently, and I said I'd start a thread on the subject. It is a bit hard to talk about, largely because of the idiosyncratic use of the word "soul." In most spiritual contexts, the soul is invulnerable, eternal, immortal--it cannot be lost or found. In the shamanic context, "soul" equates to "life force energy" or maybe "chi"-- but neither "life force energy loss" or "chi loss" sounds right.

Numerous books have been written about the subject, but you can get a lot of info here, so if you are interested, please read it before you go further.

http://www.harusami.com/soul2soul/althealing/retrieval.htm

The site mentions Sandra Ingerman--I never met her, but we did correspond for a while--she is a lovely person, down to earth, compassionate, none of the New Agey airy-fairy stuff in her.

Now down to business. Did you ever hear about someone being in an accident and reporting that it seemed as if it was happeneing to someone else--that they were observing what went on, as opposed to having it happen to them? People who have been raped often report this effect. This is classic soul loss, and in many cases, the soul returns spontaneously. When it satys away, the loss of energy manifests in many ways--physical weakness, apathy, depression, drug abuse, chronic anger, sex addiction--anything to fill up the vacancy that was caused by the soul loss.

Most of my own soul retrievals were done by mail. I journeyed to find the individuals lost soul, transferred the energy to a crystal, and sent it to the client along with a personalized ritual for him of her to use. Now someone is sure to be thinking "Phooey and so what --that is just the placebo effect." I say, there is nothing "so what" about the placebo effect--it demonstrates the immense power of one's mind. Just as we create our own illnesses, we can create our own healings. Thing is, doing the damage is the easy part--it is way harder to build a house than it is to burn one down.

However, when doing a sour retrieval face to face, I could literally see life and energy and returning to the eyes of the client. Often, the session would end with both of us being in tears of joy and renewal.

One thing I did notice all too often is that some clients were best described as being of the "I'm broken--fix me" sort, and would not, or could not, accept personal responsibility for their life. These are the same folks who drink the Kool-aid, or die in an essentially fraudulent sweat lodge. For them, a soul retrieval is a sort of psychic band-aid--they feel better for a while, but they continue the same behavior which caused soul loss in the first place.

The soul left in the first place as a sort of desperate survival attempt, went away to be in a safe place. If it does not feel safe when returned, it will sort of flute off into the ozone again.

Scrilla
11-10-2009, 11:36 PM
What does cause 'soul loss' in the first place?

west
11-11-2009, 01:38 AM
Do you still do soul retrievals?

Rizzo in a box
11-11-2009, 05:12 AM
Funny, according to some spiritual traditions the "soul" is nothing more than "Reason".

"The soul is a great deal of darkness and fire."

-Nag Hammadi scriptures.

Figure-8
12-02-2009, 04:48 PM
What does cause 'soul loss' in the first place?

Being disrupted. Emotionally, and mentally. Therefore physical disturbances can cause it, if your mind is unprepared.



Funny, according to some spiritual traditions the "soul" is nothing more than "Reason".

"The soul is a great deal of darkness and fire."

-Nag Hammadi scriptures.

Exactly. Lose sight of the reason and all goes to fire.




Soul retrieval and losing sight of the reason is something very painful and time consuming, but will ultimately help build strength. Although every time there is a distortion resulting in a loss of reason and possible break into insanity, there will be a loss of energy, and potential momentum.

Rizzo in a box
12-02-2009, 09:22 PM
"The" reason or reason in general? Because I used to think of just one singular reason, but now I see it more as just an ongoing process of reasoning.

Figure-8
12-03-2009, 03:11 AM
That's how it works.

It's more of essences of ideas, rather than individual examples or instances.

It's one thing. Flowing and evolving.

ArmsMerchant
12-04-2009, 02:12 AM
What does cause 'soul loss' in the first place?

Extreme physical and/or emotional trauma--accident victims often say it was as if the accident was happenign to someone else, and they were just observing--this is a classic sign. Often the soul returns on its own, one big exception being a person who is subjected to repeated abuse .

ArmsMerchant
12-04-2009, 02:13 AM
Do you still do soul retrievals?

No, it has been about fifteen years since I did one.

Scrilla
12-07-2009, 02:32 AM
Is there a way that someone can retrieve their own soul?

Do you remember the 'soul exchange' that happened earlier in your life greyfox? What do you think about it/how did you become aware that it happened?

Marijuanasaurus
12-07-2009, 03:43 AM
Sometimes i let my soul run free, but it always comes home to me.

ArmsMerchant
04-23-2010, 07:02 PM
Moving up because it is relevant to a new thread.