Sexualisation of Children

[NaiveMonarch]

If there was a method of creating pornography depicting minors, without actually having a minor engage in the depicted sexual act (see: lolicon), is it still wrong?

[Iehovah]

If there was a method of creating pornography depicting minors, without actually having a minor engage in the depicted sexual act (see: lolicon), is it still wrong?

In and of itself? I wouldn't say so. The problem is that it will eventually be used to blur the line between what is fake child porn and what is real, allowing those that cross the line a nice cover for their actions. So head it off at the pass.

[Bender]

Fantasy, is fantasy. But ruining a child's innocents, is basically ruining there life.

[Phinehas]

Yes.

[reggie_love]

Fantasy is fantasy, but ruining a child's innocence is basically ruining their life.

:facepalm: Fixed...

[Lord_BTY]

:facepalm: Fixed...

You don't have many friends, do you?

MWAH XXXX

[Rocko]

No, it's not the same. Child porn is illegal because the creation of it requires the abuse of a child. Being attracted to children isn't illegal, raping them is.

[Shulgin]

Yes.

Why? By preventing that type of pornography (good luck...) you wouldn't be stopping any pedophiles anyway. It's just feel-good bullshit you would support because of an instant emotional reaction, rather than calm sober thought.

[Dream of the iris]

On the contrary I think it would reduce the number of child abuse cases in the World. The desire for older people to have sex with children is the same as a gay guy wanting it up the butt or a straight dude wanting to touch her boobs. The difference is the legality of it. Because that older dude would have to abuse the child to fulfill his desires, it is illegal to do so and it should rightfully be that way. However, setting up laws that makes it illegal to have sex with children is only solving half of the battle and thats the battle against bad people who act on their desires to rape a child. However, there are many people out there who still have these desires but because they have enough self control their not going to go out and rape a kid. So what do they do instead? They watch child porn.

Now the problem with child porn is the fact that if its real that means the child had to have been abused for the end result to appear on the internet. So child pornography shouldn't be legal either. So the problem is: We can't have child porn because its bad but if these sick individuals don't have something to supress their desires, their more likely to go out a rape a kid....I mean think about? What if having sex with women was illegal? You couldn't have sex with a woman so you'd try and watch porn but you can't do that either because thats illegal as well. So your basically stuck with either using your imagination or breaking the law. There must be a better solution then......and here it is.

Cartoon porn! I know its strange and very sick, especially when it comes to small children but honestly that is much better than the alternative which is real child porn or even worse real child rape. At least with cartoon porn they know no one is getting hurt yet at the same time they can fulfill their desires. Its a win win situation. The bad rapist go to prison because its still illegal to have sex with children and the good guys who just have a sick fetish don't get in trouble because their looking at cartoon porn which isn't even real. So their not hurting anyone by downloading and endorsing child porn or going out and actually raping a kid.

so really....its crazy not to have cartoon child porn.

[Yggdrasil]

You mean hentai? Ehh...

[lord]

or they could just stop liking kids. thats always a better solution

[Yggdrasil]

or they could just stop liking kids. thats always a better solution

For pedophiles, it's not so much of an attraction to kids as it is the feeling of dominance they get from a relationship with a minor, a feeling they find lacking from normal adult relationships.

[Shulgin]

or they could just stop liking kids. thats always a better solution

Can you eliminate all your sexual desires permanently with will-power alone? Didn't think so...

[Iehovah]

Can you eliminate all your sexual desires permanently with will-power alone? Didn't think so...

Maybe not, but you can suppress the desire to follow through on them. "Need" doesn't fly.

[PirateJoe]

or they could just stop liking kids. thats always a better solution

Yeah, totally practical. :rolleyes:

[Iehovah]

Yeah, totally practical. :rolleyes:

Sure it is. How's the old saying go? Oh yeah.

1. Get knife.
2. Castrate.
3. ???
4. Profit!!!

[Shulgin]

Maybe not, but you can suppress the desire to follow through on them. "Need" doesn't fly.

Not that it's excusable, but the people that act on such desires apparently can't. It's ignorant to pretend will-power can solve such problems.

[Cliche Guevara]

I think the generally accepted view is that sex with minors is wrong and so is anything that depicts minors in a legal manner (with cartoon minors).

Most people would find it awful if they found you with childporn whether it was cartoon or not. Infact, recently the Austrailian Supreme Court upheld a decision where an individual with The Simpsons child porn was charged.

[stighelmer]

I don't think it's that big of a deal. Fantasy is necessary for people who can't do things we will kill them for doing.

Computers are your friends and are smarter than everyone - enjoy them.

[Leshrac]

On the contrary I think it would reduce the number of child abuse cases in the World. The desire for older people to have sex with children is the same as a gay guy wanting it up the butt or a straight dude wanting to touch her boobs. The difference is the legality of it. Because that older dude would have to abuse the child to fulfill his desires, it is illegal to do so and it should rightfully be that way. However, setting up laws that makes it illegal to have sex with children is only solving half of the battle and thats the battle against bad people who act on their desires to rape a child. However, there are many people out there who still have these desires but because they have enough self control their not going to go out and rape a kid. So what do they do instead? They watch child porn.

'Gateway porn'

For example:
http://www.slutload.com/watch/GrRs6T2VQn/Little-Lupe-VERY-HOT.html

[NaiveMonarch]

Mmm, it's the same in NZ Che, apparently a drawing constitutes a living, child.

[ILTST9]

Cartoon porn! I know its strange and very sick, especially when it comes to small children but honestly that is much better than the alternative which is real child porn or even worse real child rape. At least with cartoon porn they know no one is getting hurt yet at the same time they can fulfill their desires. Its a win win situation. The bad rapist go to prison because its still illegal to have sex with children and the good guys who just have a sick fetish don't get in trouble because their looking at cartoon porn which isn't even real. So their not hurting anyone by downloading and endorsing child porn or going out and actually raping a kid.
They're making that illegal in a lot of places....

[Knight of Blackness]

If a man feels himself attracted to children and feels an urge to act upon it there is only one honourable way out. Before he acts out his urge of course.

[JoePedo]

For pedophiles, it's not so much of an attraction to kids as it is the feeling of dominance they get from a relationship with a minor

lolwut??

your pedophilic turn-ons =/= all pedophiles.

[Slapshot]

The Supreme Court has ruled that animated (or CGI) child porn is legal, while dickhole Congressmen are fighting against violent video games. Fucking double standards... :mad:

[ArmsMerchant]

If there was a method of creating pornography depicting minors, without actually having a minor engage in the depicted sexual act (see: lolicon), is it still wrong?

Wrong, no; illegal (under US law), yes.

[Resign the King]

I think it may be unhealthy for the individual to entertain fantasies that stray so far from reality, pedophilia, necrophilia, beastiality for instance. I can't imagine these fantasies having an all around constructive impact on somebody's view of the world. I can't prove it would negatively impact somebody though, just intuition.

However I think as long as the images are fictional, and no real people are hurt, there's no real harm, it could even be positive as others have stated here already.

On a side not has anyone heard about some of the cases in America where teenagers are being charged with child pornography distribution and possession, for sending naked pictures of themselves to their boyfriends, who in turn may send it to other friends or post it online? It's an injustice.

[NaiveMonarch]

While it may be seen as "outlandish" and "perverted" by some, there are documented cases in which people have given up 3D CP for lolicon.

And then there are all the non-paedophiles who like lolicon, I think it has something to do with the social taboo, while not having a child abused.

[Death_Merchant]

I have empathy for pedophiles. Pedophiles are left with only two choices. They hate what they are, and suppress it with shame. This usually results in depression and mental health issues that are pretty damn inhumane to subject another person to. Or they accept what they are, and do what they need to, and just try not to get caught. They're just like gay people in the past. They're victims of their own desires, and not by choice. We give them depression and mental anguish, or prison, which likely will also be hell for them. They're born into persecution.

I think that pedophilia is something that just comes along with humanity. I don't think it will ever go away, and policing such a thing is laughable, as it mostly happens behind closed doors. Most kids also have relationships with the adult, and aren't very forthcoming in turning them in.

[PirateJoe]

Sure it is. How's the old saying go? Oh yeah.

1. Get knife.
2. Castrate.
3. ???
4. Profit!!!

Only for those that get caught.


I have empathy for pedophiles. Pedophiles are left with only two choices. They hate what they are, and suppress it with shame. This usually results in depression and mental health issues that are pretty damn inhumane to subject another person to. Or they accept what they are, and do what they need to, and just try not to get caught. They're just like gay people in the past. They're victims of their own desires, and not by choice. We give them depression and mental anguish, or prison, which likely will also be hell for them. They're born into persecution.

I think that pedophilia is something that just comes along with humanity. I don't think it will ever go away, and policing such a thing is laughable, as it mostly happens behind closed doors. Most kids also have relationships with the adult, and aren't very forthcoming in turning them in.

This, exactly. Especially when you consider what passes for a "child" in western society is absurd.

[Death_Merchant]

Only for those that get caught.



This, exactly. Especially when you consider what passes for a "child" in western society is absurd.

Age of consent should be 12. If people want to argue that a 12 yo isn't mature enough to handle sex, then I'll argue that they are shitty parents if they can't prepare their child by 12. Here's my first argument. A 12 yo can legally babysit an infant, and take care of a vulnerable young life. Not mature enough for sex? WTF? How can someone be mature and trained enough to take care of a baby, but can't handle the responsibility of sex, which has much less severe consequences than death of a new born. I could rebuild my dirt bike engine at 12, yet I couldn't understand sex? It's laughable. I had a full understanding of sex @ 12.

What it is, is parents aren't mature enough to handle such a reasonable law. My kids are going to know enough about sex when they're 10, so that when they're 12, they'll be educated. Especially girls, as they are way more likely to engage in sex at younger ages. I don't want my 12 yo to start having sex that young, but what I want, and what could happen, are two different things. Rather know she's prepared, than naively think that some law will stop it from happening.

[Fuck_Meta_8]

On a side not has anyone heard about some of the cases in America where teenagers are being charged with child pornography distribution and possession, for sending naked pictures of themselves to their boyfriends, who in turn may send it to other friends or post it online? It's an injustice.

Yes, I have actually. Complete bullshit.

[Fuck_Meta_8]

Age of consent should be 12. If people want to argue that a 12 yo isn't mature enough to handle sex, then I'll argue that they are shitty parents if they can't prepare their child by 12. Here's my first argument. A 12 yo can legally babysit an infant, and take care of a vulnerable young life. Not mature enough for sex? WTF? How can someone be mature and trained enough to take care of a baby, but can't handle the responsibility of sex, which has much less severe consequences than death of a new born. I could rebuild my dirt bike engine at 12, yet I couldn't understand sex? It's laughable. I had a full understanding of sex @ 12.

What it is, is parents aren't mature enough to handle such a reasonable law. My kids are going to know enough about sex when they're 10, so that when they're 12, they'll be educated. Especially girls, as they are way more likely to engage in sex at younger ages. I don't want my 12 yo to start having sex that young, but what I want, and what could happen, are two different things. Rather know she's prepared, than naively think that some law will stop it from happening.

Every time I see you post, I like you more. Agreed.

And uh, I rebuilt mine at 13...80cc funbike :P