removal of this forum?

[Kinkou]

zoklet really doesn't need more features... it needs more posts.

this forum doesn't really serve much of a purpose. i've been in here quite a bit and its basically just everyone bitching to each other about what zoklet needs to have to be great. zoklet is already great simply because its a place where you can find out what you want to know and get opinions and advice from people just like yourself...

the threads that are in this forum really belong in PEOO or Zok's or a moderators PM box (of which i would choose your idea-relaying moderator carefully as to ensure it makes it to M&A if they deem it serious enough)

and i have a question. if you're not removing this forum anytime soon, are you ever going to? or is zoklet going to continually change?
we don't need another forum to bitch in about what we don't have. i'd honestly rather be spending my time making serious replies to the threads on this board which actually add to its unique opportunity to share a wealth of information with who ever... than being in here saying what i think about everything, you know i really can't stop myself from that. its robbing my time... as much as i want to stop posting here i can't. i wonder if other seriously opinionated posters such as myself have this problem as well; either way its taking away from the precious time i could be spending making this forum better with CONTENT

[-SpectraL]

Various suggestions and ideas will always have a certain bitching element to them, and in my opinion that is acceptable, and zok and I have been keeping the hardcore bitching out. There's no reason to remove a useful information tool just because of a few idiots who don't know where to put a thread or post. Idiot users who don't know how to post will be handled business as usual.

[Kinkou]

did you even read my entire post DUDE?

anyway, there's NOTHING informational about this forum on zoklet

NOTHING! its a waste of time

[Daily]

The problem with this forum is that many valid suggestions either get moved to PEOO or straight to The Trashcan...like my "This Button" thread...*sobs*

That ultimately means that just because a thread got derailed by other users, the suggestion is completely scrapped, no matter how helpful it could have been. I think if a suggestion thread gets made here, it should stay here.

[Angry Blue Bird of Death]

So according to OP and the poll, If we oppose this sub-forum we don't have to give reason but If we like it we have to give reason. Yeah okay...

I like this sub-forum, this site has only been actively used for a year and any input from its members is a good way for us to further shape our identity as a site. Basically this site is similar to a Totse 2.0 for the time being.

[Euda]

It was removed and remade. From my understanding, it was remade because the admins hope for technical suggestions that may be useful to the site.

I'm not sure why people take such an interest in it. Nobody's looking for advice or demands, just ideas and features.

[Chavinist]

Kinkou does have a point. You guys should listen to her for the mere fact that she can look like this --> :hrmph: on command.

[-SpectraL]

It was removed and remade. From my understanding, it was remade because the admins hope for technical suggestions that may be useful to the site.

I'm not sure why people take such an interest in it.It's because it's a great place to attention-whore and stuff... then those same whores cry when they get shut down for it, and they'll usually end up asking for the forum to be deleted just out of spite.

[Toothlessjoe]

The problem with this forum is that many valid suggestions either get moved to PEOO or straight to The Trashcan...like my "This Button" thread...*sobs*

That ultimately means that just because a thread got derailed by other users, the suggestion is completely scrapped, no matter how helpful it could have been. I think if a suggestion thread gets made here, it should stay here.

This....

Really, there are so many forums on Zoklet where if a thread gets "de-railed" it just gets trashed or locked, whereas Spectral will just edit/delete/infract the hell out of it until nobody wants to post anymore.

You guys need to seriously set out some fucking protocol.

[Machine Messiah]

I really dont see how we would benefit from removing the forum. If it's not your cup of tea, just disregard it. I assure you that you are capable of ignoring Ideas and Features if you exercise some self control.

[Paragon]

Zoklet must always continue to evolve.

[Kinkou]

The problem with this forum is that many valid suggestions either get moved to PEOO or straight to The Trashcan...like my "This Button" thread...*sobs*

That ultimately means that just because a thread got derailed by other users, the suggestion is completely scrapped, no matter how helpful it could have been. I think if a suggestion thread gets made here, it should stay here.

the thing is, threads like those belong in places like PEOO or generally speaking whether they are on terms of discussion or debate... respectively. there's no need for this forum. its a fucking distraction for me, i feel i need to give my opinion constantly and i know that none of this shit in here will probably ever happen either. i would rather be on other parts of the board promoting the content and adding to what REALLY makes zoklet great

So according to OP and the poll, If we oppose this sub-forum we don't have to give reason but If we like it we have to give reason. Yeah okay...

I like this sub-forum, this site has only been actively used for a year and any input from its members is a good way for us to further shape our identity as a site. Basically this site is similar to a Totse 2.0 for the time being.

i said to give a reason if you think we need it because i assumed the people who would be voting "yes" would agree with me. but hey its not you have to do what i tell you to, if you agree but have different reasons you'd obviously share them unless you didn't give a flying fuck
so, abbod, did you vote "no" or did you vote to remove it sometime soon, after a few suggestions had been made some some improvements took place?

It was removed and remade. From my understanding, it was remade because the admins hope for technical suggestions that may be useful to the site.

I'm not sure why people take such an interest in it. Nobody's looking for advice or demands, just ideas and features.

i know this. i witnessed it happen... the point is when a forum like this is open to the public to post and discuss what ever they think the forum should be its never going to make the forum into what it is. this is a place for information, why are we trying to make changes? we should just encourage the user base to post. this is already a great place, it doesn't need features. like i said already... do you think we need more bull shit?
we need more content.
this is a major distraction and ultimately it gives users the impressions that there IS something wrong with this board and that we do need to change before we can post.

that couldn't be any more wrong IMHO. an informational forum only needs a few basic things; the rest is based on content
i feel a bit hypocritical for agreeing with a lot of the bullshit that's been posted in this forum as ideas and suggestions but they are rather good ideas... they're just not for zoklet.

it should just be so good to hear it, right?

[Kinkou]

It's because it's a great place to attention-whore and stuff... then those same whores cry when they get shut down for it, and they'll usually end up asking for the forum to be deleted just out of spite.

you're missing the point entirely. i wish you would STFU unless you knew you understood exactly what is trying to be said. you're delusional.
i don't fucking mean to offend you either, i like reading your posts. but i always thought you were joking, too. okay that sounds a bit offensive but what ever...
ANYWAY, no one is here to attention whore. they're here to bitch about shit they think needs to be changed. they should be in PEOO or Zok's PM box. or like i said, another moderator whom will relay the idea to M&A if its serious enough

This....

Really, there are so many forums on Zoklet where if a thread gets "de-railed" it just gets trashed or locked, whereas Spectral will just edit/delete/infract the hell out of it until nobody wants to post anymore.

You guys need to seriously set out some fucking protocol.

isn't that what they're trying to do? by bringing the hammer down everywhere... i can't wait until they figure out its not going to work. that you can't just control discussion like that. you have to let the people talk or they'll never learn... it will be constant bull shit

I really dont see how we would benefit from removing the forum. If it's not your cup of tea, just disregard it. I assure you that you are capable of ignoring Ideas and Features if you exercise some self control.

i know, i said i DON'T HAVE TO post here. i just feel extremely obligated as being a serious member of this website. i feel very opinionated about what should be going on, its a very delicate situation really. i greatly care about this place, i love to be here.
i admit its a personal problem that i can't stay out of this shit hole of a bitching fest here in ideas and suggestions about what is wrong and what we need.
NOTHING is wrong with this place except the fact that everyone thinks there is a problem.
if there is a problem that is it, instead of making posts with good content they are complaining its not good enough to post in. it has the basics.
this is like a garden. you can't expect the beautiful shit to grow without planting it first and tending it carefully... this forum is nothing without content, no matter how many features it has. we are about discussion here... not bull shit things you can do to please yourself and feel more comfortable

Zoklet must always continue to evolve.

you're right... not in useless features and changes to the software. zoklet WILL continue to evolve; its quite unavoidable really... but its our knowledge that will evolve. its the user base that will evolve by expanding and people coming and going.

we shouldn't be pussy-footing around with all this technical shit.
we should just be posting and adding to the greatness that zoklet already is and will continue to forever be in any sort of means; that is wisdom and community

[Toothlessjoe]

isn't that what they're trying to do? by bringing the hammer down everywhere... i can't wait until they figure out its not going to work. that you can't just control discussion like that. you have to let the people talk or they'll never learn... it will be constant bull shit

The problem is nobody has a set approach, or if there is one nobody is sticking to it whatsoever. You have mods trying to be lax but somewhat firm, and then you have Spectral fucking everything up with his heavy handed, delusional approach.

[Lurker_Man]

I feel this forum is only open so SpectraL can be a mod.

[Kinkou]

honestly TJ it sounds like you just have a problem with spectral... which i think a lot of us do.
spectral isn't the problem though. its the idea that trying to control the discussion is going to fix the spam and the off topic posts. it never will and it will just frustrate EVERYONE

Lurker_Man, i get the same impression sometimes. lol :o

[-SpectraL]

... spectral isn't the problem though. its the idea that trying to control the discussion is going to fix the spam and the off topic posts. it never will and it will just frustrate EVERYONE...We've all tried it your way, and it failed miserably. Now we'll get the chance to see how things work our way. You don't like it? Too bad.

[Toothlessjoe]

honestly TJ it sounds like you just have a problem with spectral... which i think a lot of us do.
spectral isn't the problem though. its the idea that trying to control the discussion is going to fix the spam and the off topic posts. it never will and it will just frustrate EVERYONE

Lurker_Man, i get the same impression sometimes. lol :o

Oh no you're right, trying to control the flow of a discussion is pretty fucking stupid in general. People go off on tangents and there's a clear difference to that and just spamming a thread.

If it was the Totsepedia (which really needs a different name now Totse isn't even a domain :facepalm:) then fair enough, because it's a textfile database. It needs editing. But these are live discussions, not contributions to a textfile. By being so harsh with the "content rules" you're just making the userbase disgruntled, angry and alienated. The problem is I don't think this is what Zok's initial idea was and having someone like Spectral sadly illustrates what a terrible idea it is in practice.

If two pages in or whatever everyone wants to talk about cakes then tough shit. You can edit and lock it all you like, but nobody is going to be talking in there anymore because they've moved on. You just piss people off by interupting the flow of their discussion.

[Lurker_Man]

Zok is never going to improve the site and fix shit. He's waiting for it to die so he no longer has to pay server costs.

[Kinkou]

We've all tried it your way, and it failed miserably. Now we'll get the chance to see how things work our way. You don't like it? Too bad.

again you're fucking delusional. you don't even know what was going on in M&A when i was involved. you have no fucking clue whether anyone tried my ideas or took my advice

FYI, they didn't

:o

[Euda]

Zok is never going to improve the site and fix shit. He's waiting for it to die so he no longer has to pay server costs.

False. zok is working on the site right now. :thumbsup:

[T.K. Baha]

This forum gives people a chance to make ridiculous suggestions (see all posts by toothless joe) and to bitch and complain. Its not like this shit ever gets implemented anyway, its the internet equivalent of writing a letter to your congressman (makes people think they actually have a say. So yeah we really don't need this forum.

[Kinkou]

Zok is never going to improve the site and fix shit. He's waiting for it to die so he no longer has to pay server costs.

i hope you're right. if this was true i'd have more respect for zok as a person.

i'd be greatly disappointed, but i can't see how zok would want to run this shit hole anyway. his choice of mods often seems like a complete joke. i don't know. if he's being serious then :(

[Lurker_Man]

i hope you're right. if this was true i'd have more respect for zok as a person.

i'd be greatly disappointed, but i can't see how zok would want to run this shit hole anyway. his choice of mods often seems like a complete joke. i don't know. if he's being serious then :(

Seriously, he picks shit mods. He won't fix totsepedia.
I mean god damn, thats our homepage, and if it has nothing on it, we won't get new members. The site will slowly die.

[Euda]

i know, i said i DON'T HAVE TO post here. i just feel extremely obligated as being a serious member of this website. i feel very opinionated about what should be going on, its a very delicate situation really. i greatly care about this place, i love to be here.

we should just be posting and adding to the greatness that zoklet already is and will continue to forever be in any sort of means; that is wisdom and community

i hope you're right. if this was true i'd have more respect for zok as a person.

i'd be greatly disappointed, but i can't see how zok would want to run this shit hole anyway. his choice of mods often seems like a complete joke. i don't know. if he's being serious then :(

Interesting.

[Kinkou]

is it really that interesting? everything i said makes perfect sense.

i would be greatly disappointed if this site was gone but i wouldn't blame zok either. i knew he was planning on leaving totse shortly before jeff dropped the bomb on him that he was giving him the user base. but as i understand it now, the last time i spoke with him about it he said he enjoyed having this and he wasn't planning on giving up. that it was better now that he had control over everything instead of the stresses that jeff hunter left him with, jeff being a lazy prick

i don't like a lot of the mods but that isn't going to stop me from trying to enjoy this place. at least not yet...

[Euda]

is it really that interesting? everything i said makes perfect sense.

No, it's not really that interesting. It comes off as fairly conflicted and senseless.

[Kinkou]

OP is also conflicted

none of this is senseless, however

[-SpectraL]

If there's any bitching going on here, it's related almost strictly to site ideas and features. PEOO is about bitches concerning people, places and things. There's a world of difference there, and anybody who can't see it is just being deliberately misleading.

[Euda]

Perhaps unreasonable or excessive are better terms.

[T.K. Baha]

Yes perhaps we should remove PEOO too.

[Kinkou]

If there's any bitching going on here, it's related almost strictly to site ideas and features. PEOO is about bitches concerning people, places and things. There's a world of difference there, and anybody who can't see it is just being deliberately misleading.

sounds like extra shit we don't need. there only need be one forum to bitch in. a thing could be anything if you want to be this technical, anyway.

Perhaps unreasonable or excessive are better terms.

excessive is right. :rolleyes:

oh and btw, Euda, what are your thoughts on the OP? or have you deliberately been replying to everything but, just out of spite?

Yes perhaps we should remove PEOO too.

:facepalm:

don't be ridiculous
http://www.mannythemovieguy.com/images/mad-hatter-1.jpg

[Euda]

oh and btw, Euda, what are your thoughts on the OP? or have you deliberately been replying to everything but, just out of spite?

It was removed and remade. From my understanding, it was remade because the admins hope for technical suggestions that may be useful to the site.

I'm not sure why people take such an interest in it. Nobody's looking for advice or demands, just ideas and features.

I responded with my first post; I could have let it go at that. Beyond that, I'm just curious about your motivations, since everything is coming across as so conflicted.

[Kinkou]

that wasn't really an opinion... just a relay of information

what do you THINK should be done

[T.K. Baha]

I think you should have put the emphasis on YOU instead of THINK. Say it aloud like that and it doesen't make any sense.

[Kinkou]

i thought that to myself after i read it and i was too lazy to change it :thumbsup:

also because my original question for euda was what his "thoughts" were

[Rizzo in a box]

Zoklet must always continue to evolve.

But to evolve you need enough XP, which can only be gained through content. :thumbsup:

[Kinkou]

i'd thank you kind sir but i've made too many thanks. :thumbsup:

[Euda]

The point of this forum is to leave the admins open to ideas for technical features. Because the admins want to leave themselves open to ideas for technical features, I think the forum serves a purpose. If this new purpose is lost, due to posters or moderation, then I think it should be removed.

As most people know, technical things aren't a specialty, or an interest, of mine; this means that I won't be able to contribute to this forum. If the administration thinks that people will contribute useful technical ideas, then I'm game to see what people might bring to the table. It's not as if zoklet doesn't have any technically skilled posters.

[Kinkou]

do you really think the forum needs to change though?

why do we need to change?

:confused:

[Toothlessjoe]

Euda, I have a great idea for a technical feature only Spectral won't approve it because he doesn't like me :rolleyes:. He's already aware it's been "posted" and his hostile reply to my PM regarding it fills me with little faith. Would you perhaps like to hear it?

Not that it matters because I am shortly to be banned by him due amassing too many infraction points for "off-top posts and trolling"....

[Euda]

I don't have any idea what kind of new ideas and features might be brought to the table. I might really like an idea and want to see it implemented. But, regardless of that, I don't know why you would assume that being open to ideas translates into implementing them.

Do you change every time you see an idea?

[Rizzo in a box]

do you really think the forum needs to change though?

why do we need to change?


^^Because many people equate change with progress, and progress with phat loot, and phat loot with a huge e-penis, and a huge e-penis with lots of cam-whores, and lots of cam whores with...well, I'm not really sure what you'd get after the first ten to thirty minutes, to be honest. Maybe cheap laughs.

You could solve all of this by being zoklet's First CamWhore. Some amateur and home-brew pornography would surely pick things up quickly.

Of course, that would be degrading, disgusting immoral, etc. In perfect &T fashion. :thumbsup:

[DJ Meaty Cheeks]

did you even read my entire post DUDE?

anyway, there's NOTHING informational about this forum on zoklet

NOTHING! its a waste of time

Wasting time is at least 3/4ths of what zoklet is about.

[Rodrat]

i like to be able to feel like i get to give a bit of input for the greater good when i have an idea so i vote to keep

[Kinkou]

^^Because many people equate change with progress, and progress with phat loot, and phat loot with a huge e-penis, and a huge e-penis with lots of cam-whores, and lots of cam whores with...well, I'm not really sure what you'd get after the first ten to thirty minutes, to be honest. Maybe cheap laughs.

You could solve all of this by being zoklet's First CamWhore. Some amateur and home-brew pornography would surely pick things up quickly.

Of course, that would be degrading, disgusting immoral, etc. In perfect &T fashion. :thumbsup:

LOL :D

i'll think about it :hrmph: for the greater good of zoklet!

[Lurker_Man]

Euda, I have a great idea for a technical feature only Spectral won't approve it because he doesn't like me :rolleyes:. He's already aware it's been "posted" and his hostile reply to my PM regarding it fills me with little faith. Would you perhaps like to hear it?

Not that it matters because I am shortly to be banned by him due amassing too many infraction points for "off-top posts and trolling"....

Anyone who dares question him gets warnings and infractions.

[Miaow]

zoklet really doesn't need more features... it needs more posts.

It needs both.

/thread.

[-SpectraL]

Anyone who dares question him gets warnings and infractions.

^
Gotta love a sneaky little liar. ;)

[pimpstrocity]

It should be kept open, and reasonable suggestions that get a lot of support from the community should get serious consideration.

[My Mom Is Dead]

http://salvationontherocks.com/images/kitten_grassland_1280x800.jpg

[Euda]

There are plans? :eek:

It's always surprising to learn about plans that haven't been made. Sometimes it's a pleasant surprise, but not always. :(

[Midnight Sun]

I bet Euda has an opinion.

[-SpectraL]

I bet Euda has an opinion.He's crafty like that.. always asking questions, making inquiries, favoring us with a nod and a wink where appropriate... but ask him which side he butters his bread on and you may as well ask a cannibal if he's eaten any people lately. :D

[My Mom Is Dead]

There are plans? :eek:

It's always surprising to learn about plans that haven't been made. Sometimes it's a pleasant surprise, but not always. :(

http://www.zoklet.net/bbs/showthread.php?t=81769

[Euda]

Oh, you're just not in the loop. zoklet's mainpage is looking good, Supermods have been added, and the banner looks pretty slick. :thumbsup:

[slowdown]

I don't have any idea what kind of new ideas and features might be brought to the table.

Wait! We have a table? It's not that ghettoed out one with a bunch of signatures on it is it? If I'm going to support this forum, only a very fine hardwood from an endangered tree will do for a table.

It may even make people like toothless realize that they just cant come to a very expensive and endangered hardwood table and propose silly ideas or features.

What about a podium instead? or a Pulpit?
.... No a Podium with the endangered hardwood table next to will be the optimal choice. Is that option on this poll? Let's go with that one. :confused:

[My Mom Is Dead]

Oh, you're just not in the loop. zoklet's mainpage is looking good, Supermods have been added, and the banner looks pretty slick. :thumbsup:

Well he ain't saying it's looking good. He said it WILL be done by the end of the week. You should become a politician--your "churching up the truth" skills show promise.

[Euda]

Well he ain't saying it's looking good. He said it WILL be done by the end of the week. You should become a politician--your "churching up the truth" skills show promise.

Your right, he isn't saying it's looking good, but you can consider this an update.

[Shrike]

zoklet really doesn't need more features... it needs more posts.

this forum doesn't really serve much of a purpose. i've been in here quite a bit and its basically just everyone bitching to each other about what zoklet needs to have to be great. zoklet is already great simply because its a place where you can find out what you want to know and get opinions and advice from people just like yourself...

the threads that are in this forum really belong in PEOO or Zok's or a moderators PM box (of which i would choose your idea-relaying moderator carefully as to ensure it makes it to M&A if they deem it serious enough)

and i have a question. if you're not removing this forum anytime soon, are you ever going to? or is zoklet going to continually change?
we don't need another forum to bitch in about what we don't have. i'd honestly rather be spending my time making serious replies to the threads on this board which actually add to its unique opportunity to share a wealth of information with who ever... than being in here saying what i think about everything, you know i really can't stop myself from that. its robbing my time... as much as i want to stop posting here i can't. i wonder if other seriously opinionated posters such as myself have this problem as well; either way its taking away from the precious time i could be spending making this forum better with CONTENT

Maybe try pointing your browser away from this forum, I know that's a hard concept, but you don't have to read these ideas if you don't want to.

The forum should stay. Continual upgrade and new stuff is good for the forum, so that it doesn't stagnate. Some of these ideas (a small but significant proportion) are decent you know.

[slowdown]

Some of these ideas (a small but significant proportion) are decent you know.

I agree. There have been some good suggestions which even became reality and also some good suggestions which, through discussion, were reasonably explained to not be desired or plausible. Essentially this is the reason why Ideas and features should exist.

If a person such as TJ makes a suggestion that he thinks is so super and it was not posted in this forum, he could always put it out on GS, PEOO, or HB to see if it really had any merit beyond trolling for suggestions.

[Toothlessjoe]

I agree. There have been some good suggestions which even became reality and also some good suggestions which, through discussion, were reasonably explained to not be desired or plausible. Essentially this is the reason why Ideas and features should exist.

If a person such as TJ makes a suggestion that he thinks is so super and it was not posted in this forum, he could always put it out on GS, PEOO, or HB to see if it really had any merit beyond trolling for suggestions.

To be fair the sheer volume of suggestions I made eventually some of them were picked up, and some are getting repeated now.

[My Mom Is Dead]

you can consider this an update.

I didn't hear that from the top, so I call bs.

[Euda]

I'd suggest coming up with a more imaginative way to say that you don't believe it. It's your right to be wrong, so you should at least enjoy exercising it.

[My Mom Is Dead]

I'd suggest coming up with a more imaginative way to say that you don't believe it.

Why? I'm basing it off the exact reasoning that drew me to that conclusion. It would make absolutely no sense for me to come up with something more imagina... wait, you're not a fucking idiot, are you? I hate it when I get tricked into arguing with you guys. :hrmph:y

[slowdown]

To be fair the sheer volume of suggestions I made eventually some of them were picked up, and some are getting repeated now.

http://i49.tinypic.com/212u74l.png

Your batting average (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batting_average) is really bad.

[-SpectraL]

Poll creation: 12/06/09: started with no end date, 10 days since last post, closing now, obvious decision results