View Full Version : Can We Have A Nutrition Sub-Forum?
Toothlessjoe
12-25-2009, 10:20 PM
I've asked for this so many god damn times.
There seems to be a lot of discussion regarding food and whatnot, and how good it is for you, what to eat, when to eat, and all that nonsense and nobody is ever sure where to post: CoW or G&G. Why not have a sub forum in CoW to discuss nutrition? You know, is milk good or bad, what proteins do I eat, diet logs and all that kinda jazz?
Kinda makes sense really.
missingno
12-29-2009, 04:49 AM
so it would be an opposite of "not for human consumption" forum..
Figure-8
12-29-2009, 04:57 AM
Yes, you have my vote.
Azure
12-29-2009, 04:58 AM
so it would be an opposite of "not for human consumption" forum..
Your name and this post made me chuckle.
AllThatIs
12-29-2009, 05:01 AM
Yeah im pretty sure some very helpful topics could spring up there.
Vizier
12-29-2009, 05:09 AM
I support that notion:thumbsup:
missingno
12-29-2009, 05:17 AM
Your name and this post made me chuckle.
chuckle away mayne
Gluttons and Gourmet''s description includes the words "Any topic related to food, drink... "
So if you have a food sub-forum in CoW, how is that supposed to clear up which forum to post in , CoW or G&G ?
Toothlessjoe
12-29-2009, 02:39 PM
Gluttons and Gourmet''s description includes the words "Any topic related to food, drink... "
So if you have a food sub-forum in CoW, how is that supposed to clear up which forum to post in , CoW or G&G ?
You're nitpicking for the sake of it. It's unattractive. Let's play a game, it's called where would you put these threads:
Thread 1: "Guys, what whey protien should I use?"
Thread 2: "what is your favourite kind of pie?"
:rolleyes:
Instigator
12-29-2009, 03:10 PM
I'm all for this. :thumbsup:
... Let's play a game, it's called where would you put these threads:
:rolleyes:
Please consider the gray area questions.
Not the obvious black and white.
For instance, recently a thread about cooking eggs with Olive Oil got sent out of CoW to G&G.
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So, where would you put these 6 threads?
1. Can you convert a monosaturated oil into a trans fat by cooking with it?
2. Which cooking oil is the healthiest to cook with?
3. I'm looking to cut calories in my salad dressings to help me lose weight.
How would I best do that?
4. Anybody have some suggestions for making a high protein salad dressing?
5. Why is frying food considered bad for your health?
6. Is there a way to fry food in what would be considered a healthy manner?
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I personally see a split between the two forums being the choice (more than one going to CoW and more than one going to G&G).
But, go ahead and list your choices (and if you're ambitious, your reasons).
I'm curious.
Toothlessjoe
12-29-2009, 04:23 PM
I'm not a mod. It's your job to put them in a different forum if they don't belong in yours.
Why are you so against a nutrition forum?
Jerry
12-29-2009, 04:40 PM
he just outlined why he's so against it
:confused:
if it could be separated easily though it would be a handy idea
Vigilante
12-29-2009, 05:06 PM
I support the notion. I'd like to see a sub-forum dedicated to nutrition and diet plans because that type of information is so vital to a healthy lifestyle, and is considerably harder to come by than you imagine. It's hard to separate the facts from whats false, and get good quality information on what foods.. serving sizes.. and calorie intakes you should be consuming to help obtain that ideal self image you want. I want to see some product reviews when it comes to protein and other vitamin supplements.. I want to see detailed information on clean-bulking so that one can gain mass while minimizing the increase in bf%.. What meats are best.. How best to prepare food to lower sodium intake.. G&G just doesnt fill the gap for me..
Lurker_Man
12-29-2009, 05:08 PM
Nutrition and supplements ftw.
Hopefully I stop seeing threads about steroids and which protein will get you ripped faster.
I'm not a mod. It's your job ...
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I see this question is getting some extra play here.
I personally think if you eliminate these questions from the main CoW page (by putting them in a sub-forum, it won't really add anything to the Zoklet experience.
Should CoW ever get so overrun with threads that the reader can't sort it all out, well, yeah.
But presently, I sort of feel dropping them into a sub-forum would generally only diminish readership, not increase it.
BastardLunatic
12-29-2009, 05:23 PM
so it would be an opposite of "not for human consumption" forum..
Uhm... So, like "Not for animal consumption"? :hrmph:
Toothlessjoe
12-29-2009, 05:43 PM
But presently, I sort of feel dropping them into a sub-forum would generally only diminish readership, not increase it.
Oh this is all folly. There never used to be many threads about animals and pets, as soon as there was a forum for it, discussion boomed, the same as all the other new forums.
The Ninja
12-29-2009, 05:49 PM
The sub-forum in CoW should pertain to supplements and food, and how to better your body with them, not just how to cook to taste/what tastes better.
Toothlessjoe
12-29-2009, 05:55 PM
The sub-forum in CoW should pertain to supplements and food, and how to better your body with them, not just how to cook to taste/what tastes better.
Exactly. This. It's just about context in each of those "grey area" cases.
PROJECT PAT
12-29-2009, 06:04 PM
I support this. Obviously the sub forum should be in g and g instead of carved outta wood though. it's also weird that tj is suggesting this because he doesn't know anything about nutrition.
TLJ ... I still await your choices for the 6 questions posed above.
But regarding adding another sub-forum to CoW ...
As I mentioned, CoW isn't overrun with threads presently, so I would prefer to see a nutrition question hit the main board, at this time.
On a side note, I personally think adding the "hardware" sub-forum to T&T hurt readership for a poster correctly posting there (which I have).
Sub-forums generally hurt overall readership is how I see it.
Just an extra click away, but sometimes that extra effort doesn't get acted on.
I guess, in CoW, we could have a "I wanna get bigger" subforum.
Then a " I wanna get smaller" sub-forum.
Not bad ideas either, really.
Toothlessjoe
12-29-2009, 06:11 PM
I guess, in CoW, we could have a "I wanna get bigger" subforum. Then a " I wanna get smaller" sub-forum.
Not bad ideas either, really.
No, that is really retarded. Just have a sticky or something. You don't need two fucking extra forums for that shit.
Struwwelpeter
12-29-2009, 08:35 PM
No Toothlessjoe, your worthless little ass isn't going to moderate any fucking forums.
Son of Liberty
12-29-2009, 08:40 PM
Nutrition and supplements ftw.
Hopefully I stop seeing threads about steroids and which protein will get you ripped faster.
+1
i vote with a quote
I disagree. Maybe if Zoklet had billions of hits a day, it would probably be practical to have a subforum about 'Nutrition' however I think the 1-2 threads a week about nutrition/food can be easily handled. Nutrition is an import part of improving the body afterall, why does it merit a sub-forum? That's just like saying we should have sub-forums for Weightlifting, Body Weight Exercises, Cardio etc. Not practical at all.
The way I see it - Food threads (say, about taste, what you like to eat etc) go in G&G, Nutrional information (for improving the body) go into CoW, and most people with half a brain are aware of this.
I don't understand A) How this would benfit CoW, B) Who is confused on where to post, C) Why you are asking again if you've asked for it so many times?
Figure-8
12-29-2009, 10:29 PM
Maybe if Zoklet had billions of hits a day
So open this new forum and we'll be on our way.
Winter
12-30-2009, 12:40 AM
I agree with the mods. Sub forums for the most part are not needed at this time. We arent huge enough to justify such a thing. Why take away from a main forum when its currently barely getting any posts in the first place?
Personally im still wondering why the fuck we have a "lost"(tv show) sub forum. I guess all of us are hardcore lost fans right? Or is the soul reason its here is because its "deep/confusing"?...
Well, then, we should have a Metal Gear Solid sub forum in games people play then if thats the case.:mad:
TLJ
To be fair, in the end, it's not a terrible idea.
It seems to be getting some support from long time users.
Personally, as I mentioned, I'm not certain it would increase readership.
But I'm also just one reader / user / member.
And I don't have a feel for what goes on in a large part of zoklet.
Maybe you should take a poll.
In fact, I'd suggest you generally speaking make your future suggestion threads into polls.
This thread has 200 views and 30 responses, so it's obvious people are reading this and not posting, but probably have an opinion they could weigh in with quickly by poll.
That way the overall support or lack of support would be easier to distinguish.
Toothlessjoe
12-30-2009, 05:31 AM
That way the overall support or lack of support would be easier to distinguish.
Not really. I'm more fad than poster. I doubt it would be accurate :p.
Lurker_Man
12-30-2009, 08:37 AM
It may not increase members HLC, but it would clean up the place. A lot of the threads in COW are to do with supliments and nutrition, its abit boring trying to trawl through COW and avoid these threads cine the majority are the same.
Who in this thread that is saying yes is actually a CoW regular?
DaGuru
12-30-2009, 01:05 PM
This thread has 200 views and 30 responses, so it's obvious people are reading this and not posting, but probably have an opinion they could weigh in with quickly by poll.
That way the overall support or lack of support would be easier to distinguish.
For ONCE TJ actually is right, and I agree the responses here aren't all because of any interest in the topic itself......instead the entertainment value of some of the participants as well as the blatant hypocrisy contained in this thread.
Notice it took a full 4 days until someone finally responded to this SPAMMING AND REPETITIVE TRIPE? :p
Those first 4 days had 0 responses and just 9 views. :eek: What spurned the discussion finally? Who knows, it could have been people in CoW or IRC trying to drum up interest.....but for those first few days it was worth a chuckle seeing the thread fall closer to the bottom without any views.
*****ProTip to the multiple TJ users putting their hands in the sock puppet account: It helps to actually read the thread in its entirety, and maintain some consistency from the last person that was using the TJ account before you. (Notice how in post #23, you went COMPLETELY AGAINST the exact same idealogy proposed in the OP :rolleyes:)
InB4more ToothlessJoe Spam of "shut up" or just an entire thread delete....depending what mood the next hand going in the sock puppet is in. ;)
Lurker_Man
12-30-2009, 04:10 PM
Who in this thread that is saying yes is actually a CoW regular?
I would count 4 people as COW regulars, 1 is a fag and a mod, 1 is anouther mod, 2 talk about nothing but steroids.
I post in COW but not a lot because of the latter 2.
I consider myself of CoW regular. Originally I thought it was a good idea, but after thinking about it, it would really just mean less posts in CoW; there are already too few posts in CoW.
DaGuru
12-30-2009, 04:25 PM
2 talk about nothing but steroids.
Since I'm certainly not a reg in CoW, could someone humor my morbid curiousity? For the 2 raging shrivelled dicks.......exactly what do they do for a living (or are preparing/training for) that they feel the need to juice themselves? :confused:
PROJECT PAT
12-30-2009, 04:26 PM
Since I'm certainly not a reg in CoW, could someone humor my morbid curiousity? For the 2 raging shrivelled dicks.......exactly what do they do for a living (or are preparing/training for) that they feel the need to juice themselves? :confused:
i'm pretty sure that steroids don't shrivel your dick brah
i'm pretty sure that steroids don't shrivel your dick brah
yea brah some steriods shrink your balls, but it is still fairly rare. brah
Toothlessjoe
12-30-2009, 04:30 PM
Since I'm certainly not a reg in CoW, could someone humor my morbid curiousity? For the 2 raging shrivelled dicks.......exactly what do they do for a living (or are preparing/training for) that they feel the need to juice themselves? :confused:
Oh, they don't do anything where they get drug tested, such as a sport, so they claim they reach their goals quicker that way suffering no adverse effects.
DaGuru
12-30-2009, 04:33 PM
Oh, they don't do anything where they get drug tested, such as a sport, so they claim they reach their goals quicker that way suffering no adverse effects.
So if there is no financial reward (now or in the future) the purpose to injecting themselves with toxins is WHAT exactly? Biggest leg on the kickball field? *sniggers*
Lifting weights is addictive. Imagine this scenario, you've trained for years and you love getting stronger; lifting is pretty much your life. All of a sudden you reach your natural potential. You can't get any stronger and you're getting older. You've peaked. What to do? Steroids. I've never taken steroids, but this is the rational some people use. If I ever do reach my natural potential I would take steroids though, but I would take them safely (monthly doctor visits + other precautions).
DaGuru
12-30-2009, 04:41 PM
Lifting weights is addictive. Imagine this scenario, you've trained for years and you love getting stronger; lifting is pretty much your life. All of a sudden you reach your natural potential. You can't get any stronger and you're getting older. You've peaked. What to do? Steroids. I've never taken steroids, but this is the rational some people use. If I ever do reach my natural potential I would take steroids though, but I would take them safely (monthly doctor visits + other precautions).
See you lost me when you said "trained" with no ends to the means. I don't understand ANY gym rats (including my wife) and especially not the juicers.
Meh, call me too practical....but the need/use out of big bulky lunks of a man kind of lost any relevance somewhere around the time we started hitching oxen to plows or invented automobiles. Unless you are getting paid for your physical/athletic peformance.....there really is no "point" to working out to the degrees you just described except for social identity in their own heads.
See you lost me when you said "trained" with no ends to the means. I don't understand ANY gym rats (including my wife) and especially not the juicers.
Meh, call me too practical....but the need/use out of big bulky lunks of a man kind of lost any relevance somewhere around the time we started hitching oxen to plows or invented automobiles. Unless you are getting paid for your physical/athletic peformance.....there really is no "point" to working out to the degrees you just described except for social identity in their own heads.
The reasons people trains vary. Some people train for vanity reasons; some people train for sports; some people simply just want to have a healthier body; some people enjoy it. It's just like any other sport and it is a competition. Why do you play tennis? Cause it's fun to play, it's fun to see yourself improve, it's fun to compete and beat other people, it's good exercise, etc. Same goes for lifting weights. Most days I look forward to going to the gym and really enjoy working out. Today, I'm hitting the gym as soon as I get out of work and am currently planning my routine for today as well as what to eat to give me the most energy. It's a hobby really.
It boggles the mind to think some people don't understand the relevance of getting in good physical condition.
DaGuru
12-30-2009, 06:49 PM
It boggles the mind to think some focus so much on vanity or empty rhetoric in their lives that really never amounts to much other that satiating an ego or need that CAN be satiated in more productive ways.
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It boggles the mind to think some people don't understand the relevance of getting in good physical condition.
Yea. I definitely agree with you there. But for me it's about getting in good physical condition and it's a hobby. I enjoy seeing my numbers go up and it keeps me coming back. I'll be lifting in 2 hours. Today I'll be doing a 5x5 bench press along with some other minor stuff. It's fun for me; the health part is just an added benefit.
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It's a sport like anything else. What is so hard to understand about that? Some people play basketball and some people lift weights...
LSA King
12-30-2009, 06:55 PM
I've asked for this so many god damn times.
There seems to be a lot of discussion regarding food and whatnot, and how good it is for you, what to eat, when to eat, and all that nonsense and nobody is ever sure where to post: CoW or G&G. Why not have a sub forum in CoW to discuss nutrition? You know, is milk good or bad, what proteins do I eat, diet logs and all that kinda jazz?
Kinda makes sense really.
I'm not following, but having a Nutrition forum and then a sub-nutrition forum that debates what is nutrition doesn't really make since. I am sure we all have a general idea that water is good for you, the point isn't to debate whether the fluoride in the water is good. Doesn't change the fact water is good for you, we know fluoride is bad but that is more conspiracy or another forum that I am sure already exists here if not able to be argued on the Nutrition forum itself.
There is enough forums as it is and I hope they remove all the sub-tv forums after the last season of "Lost" as there are a half-dozen TV shows more popular than that show.
I'm not following, but having a Nutrition forum and then a sub-nutrition forum that debates what is nutrition doesn't really make since. I am sure we all have a general idea that water is good for you, the point isn't to debate whether the fluoride in the water is good. Doesn't change the fact water is good for you, we know fluoride is bad but that is more conspiracy or another forum that I am sure already exists here if not able to be argued on the Nutrition forum itself.
There is enough forums as it is and I hope they remove all the sub-tv forums after the last season of "Lost" as there are a half-dozen TV shows more popular than that show.
I fucking hate Lost.
DaGuru
12-30-2009, 07:03 PM
It's a sport like anything else. What is so hard to understand about that? Some people play basketball and some people lift weights...
I would debate how much of a "sport" any of this discussion is....but I'm really not here to derail this subject.
But to answer your question....my confusion lies in the process of exerting energy just for the process itself, or however it "feeds" people's interests. Meaning......go chop and stack some wood for a couple of hours. You'll CERTAINLY get a damn good workout, and there is a product from your efforts. Whereas your local Bally's just gets richer, and the only "product" from that effort is the sweat you wiped away before going to the next machine.
Meh, I guess I am derailing this topic...and my apologies for that. I will state though...that A LOT of my marital problems stem from the fact my wife is a walking zombie in complete La-La land that very rarely has any energy for me/us as a family. Yet she gets up religiously every morning at 4:30 to hit the gym to "better" herself.
See, I'm the "bad guy" around here because "all I do" is maintain the house, business, and kid......and during all that I'm just a wasteoid cuz I'm toking on a joint. Whereas in reality Zombie Gal is so much more "fit" than me, but sure as fuck ain't any "better" than me...or being a legitimate "productive" part of this family.
/personal rant
I would debate how much of a "sport" any of this discussion is....but I'm really not here to derail this subject.
But to answer your question....my confusion lies in the process of exerting energy just for the process itself, or however it "feeds" people's interests. Meaning......go chop and stack some wood for a couple of hours. You'll CERTAINLY get a damn good workout, and there is a product from your efforts. Whereas your local Bally's just gets richer, and the only "product" from that effort is the sweat you wiped away before going to the next machine.
Meh, I guess I am derailing this topic...and my apologies for that. I will state though...that A LOT of my marital problems stem from the fact my wife is a walking zombie in complete La-La land that very rarely has any energy for me/us as a family. Yet she gets up religiously every morning at 4:30 to hit the gym to "better" herself.
See, I'm the "bad guy" around here because "all I do" is maintain the house, business, and kid......and during all that I'm just a wasteoid cuz I'm toking on a joint. Whereas in reality Zombie Gal is so much more "fit" than me, but sure as fuck ain't any "better" than me...or being a legitimate "productive" part of this family.
/personal rant
The product of lifting weights is bigger muscles, more stamina, etc... I still don't get how it's different from any other sport or hobby.
Lol I feel for you man. But seriously I smoke weed everyday, have a job, go to school, and still manage to workout 4-5 days a week. Also you should tell your wife that working out is supposed to GIVE you energy. Most people, myself included, say when they leave the gym they feel refreshed and ready to take on the day.
DaGuru
12-30-2009, 07:26 PM
Lol I feel for you man. But seriously I smoke weed everyday, have a job, go to school, and still manage to workout 4-5 days a week. Also you should tell your wife that working out is supposed to GIVE you energy. Most people, myself included, say when they leave the gym they feel refreshed and ready to take on the day.
She claims it "gives her energy" too....the problem being is 12 hours later after that workout and a full day at her job...there is NOTHING left for us. Just got Wii and Wii Fit Plus for Xmas....maybe it will be more of a family thing in the future...who knows.
Or perhaps she is just fucking Raoul on the side and there is no gym at 4:30. :D
Toothlessjoe
12-30-2009, 07:27 PM
Most people, myself included, say when they leave the gym they feel refreshed and ready to take on the day.
Endorphins?
She claims it "gives her energy" too....the problem being is 12 hours later after that workout and a full day at her job...there is NOTHING left for us. Just got Wii and Wii Fit Plus for Xmas....maybe it will be more of a family thing in the future...who knows.
Or perhaps she is just fucking Raoul on the side and there is no gym at 4:30. :D
Lol the Wii exercise stuff is :facepalm:. Get your ass to the gym with your wife. I always liked working out with girlfriends.
Rizzo in a box
12-30-2009, 07:46 PM
Sounds good to me, I know I'd post.
Endorphins?
Hell yea. Endorphins are the shit lol
Yggdrasil
12-30-2009, 08:00 PM
I don't see the need, TJ. If a thread is talking more about nutritional properties, healthy foods, etc I'll leave it be, but if a thread like that one about eggs cooked in olive oil pops up where the discussion was mostly about food preparation I'll just go ahead and move it to G&G. We don't need to have a fine line, since general food discussion could fit both forums; this is more about mod/user discretion than anything else
I don't see the need, TJ. If a thread is talking more about nutritional properties, healthy foods, etc I'll leave it be, but if a thread like that one about eggs cooked in olive oil pops up where the discussion was mostly about food preparation I'll just go ahead and move it to G&G. We don't need to have a fine line, since general food discussion could fit both forums; this is more about mod/user discretion than anything else
Yeah, but there's also the fine line of - where does it belong, or where will it get more responses.
The Egg/Olive Oil discussion got 76 responses in CoW, but only 2 more after being moved to the proper food forum.
Well, you did leave a lengthy redirect, Ygg, so why it died so suddenly is up to conjecture.
My personal modding philosophy is .... as long as there are on topic responses, let it be.
When it's played out in what could be considered the wrong forum, then shuffle it off and see it the other forum picks up on it.
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Yggdrasil
12-31-2009, 01:47 PM
Whoopsy, I hope I didn't drop the ball on that one, HLC. The thread just seemed to be geared much more in the direction of egg preparation, so I figured it'd do better in G&G.
Whoopsy, I hope I didn't drop the ball on that one, HLC. The thread just seemed to be geared much more in the direction of egg preparation, so I figured it'd do better in G&G.
It really did belong in G&G, IMO
I had been watching it too, and participating, and was torn between shipping it off or leaving it in CoW.
You beat me to it.
It's a 50/50 call sometimes.
Sometimes, you win....
I'm not sure if shipping it off hurt it or not.
Maybe not, really.
Odd that it just immediately died in the proper forum.
I guess, my point was that if it's getting play in the wrong place, I think it's sometimes better to let it fully play out before shipping it out to where it really belongs.
Like even in GS, if an exercise post is getting responses there, I'd leave it there until it starts heading for page 2.
Or if half the posts are about how it's in the wrong forum.
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