Games like Deus Ex & Fallout

[ApeToe]

I'm looking for a new game to keep me occupied which is similar to Deus Ex or Fallout, where you can do missions in a number of ways or the decisions you make effect your game in the future(Like killing an NPC)

Preferably older, my machine is horrible.

[Haiti's Space Agency]

Crysis

[lethargic]

System Shock 2 if you're wanting to stick with older games. Free download at Underdogs if their site is still up. It's one of my favorites from that decade.

Bioshock was a lot like it. Just substitute the underwater habitat for a space station. :p

[hazmat]

Crysis

To compare Crysis to Deus Ex is..... ... ..... just GTFO.


System Shock 1/2 come to mind first (and are old-compy friendly). Max Payne was around the same time as DX, not really the same flavor of shooter but it had a good story and a few trippy levels (blood trails anyone?). Half-Life is worth mention, but you've probably already played it. Thief has a similar gameplay style as well.

Deus Ex remains the pinnacle of of PC gaming in my book, most of the games since then are comparable to how hollywood cranks out their crap, and the swath of shitty console ports is making me sick. The HDTP project for DX is worth keeping an eye on, their gunther skin is pretty good and i cant wait to see the rest. Theres even a couple updated renderers around to improve the graphics a bit. DX3 is on the way, hopefully it wont be the gutted version like we saw with DX2.

[Mantikore]

system shock 2 is close to deus ex.

i reckon knights of the old republic can be called quite open as well

[ManCannon]

If you liked Deus Ex you might also enjoy Thief 1 and 2. They're not exactly the same but I'm willing to bet you'll like them.

System Shock 2 is probably the best suggestion you're going to get, SS2 and Deus Ex are very similar. Although I personally found the weapon breaking bullshit in SS2 to be very infuriating, so I never actually got that far in it. Seriously, like every gun you find is good for maybe 2 or 3 shots before it's broken.

[jon-eli]

The next person who fails to recommend Baldur's Gate I & II and Planescape: Torment will be banned. I have ways and means.

[ManCannon]

The next person who fails to recommend Baldur's Gate I & II and Planescape: Torment will be banned. I have ways and means.

Oh shit, I didn't even read that he said Fallout in the thread title, only Deus Ex registered. This is what I get for not sleeping.

Yeah, Planescape: Torment and the Baldur's Gate games should be right up your alley if you like Fallout.

Especially Planescape: Torment.

To compare Crysis to Deus Ex is..... ... ..... just GTFO.

You need to check your troll goggles, they don't seem to be working.

[jon-eli]

Especially Planescape: Torment.

Torment is more story-driven than BG. I think BG is sometimes just a book of excuses for engaging in hack 'n slash. Not that I don't love it to death, but I never found it as immersive as Fallout.

I can't say I've ever played Deus Ex. What's the story like? Is it more along the lines of Max Payne or Halo?

[Eridani]

I can't say I've ever played Deus Ex. What's the story like? Is it more along the lines of Max Payne or Halo?

It's pretty unique really. You definitely should check it out if you haven't played it.

To the OP - KotOR is the only one I can think of off the top of my head.

[Agent 008]

I can't say I've ever played Deus Ex. What's the story like? Is it more along the lines of Max Payne or Halo?

I'm playing it now, and it's definitely worth checking out.

I had my concerns in the beginning, but it gets a lot better as you keep playing it.

Edit: OP, check out Hitman / Hitman 2 if you haven't. Hitman 2 gives you several ways of completing your missions.

[jon-eli]

It's pretty unique really. You definitely should check it out if you haven't played it.
I'm playing it now, and it's definitely worth checking out.

I had my concerns in the beginning, but it gets a lot better as you keep playing it.

Consider me sold. Thanks, guys.

[Agent 008]

Consider me sold. Thanks, guys.

http://www.myconfinedspace.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/duex-ex-mention.jpg

[Mantikore]

deus ex is a fantastic game if you can get over the crappy graphics and AI. still has the best story of any game IMO

http://www.myconfinedspace.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/duex-ex-mention.jpg

looks a bit different.
is that the shifter mod or something?

[jon-eli]

deus ex is a fantastic game if you can get over the crappy graphics and AI.

I got over the crappy AI in BG2. ("Yes, let's all just remain standing in the effect radius of a damaging spell, and not even look to see who cast it in the first place.") I even got over the 2d-isometrism and butt-ugly helmet animations.

Doom 3 is beautiful, and yet somehow still sucks. Go figure.

[Agent 008]

I had more fun with some ASCII-graphics games than with other high-end 3d ones.

[Thought Riot]

I think you'd like Morrowind. But the way you do missions is more dependant on what skills you pick.

[Eridani]

I got over the crappy AI in BG2. ("Yes, let's all just remain standing in the effect radius of a damaging spell, and not even look to see who cast it in the first place.") I even got over the 2d-isometrism and butt-ugly helmet animations.


To this day BG2 has some of my favourite artwork in a game. The temple in Trademeet and the Harper Stronghold for example. Isometric games will always have a special place in my heart.

[jon-eli]

To this day BG2 has some of my favourite artwork in a game.

Oh I don't disagree. Isometric artwork has gotten to the point where it can be very refined and delicate and beautiful, and is often exactly that. The Trademeet temple is just perfect in every way. And some of those dragon avatars are amazing the first few times you see them.

But those paperdolls are awful.

[Haiti's Space Agency]

crysis warhead

[Caramello Koala]

system shock 2 and morrowind

[Mantikore]

i would disagree with morrowind as a game similar to DX. morrowind seemed to be much more open, but problems are solved through combat, and rarely, stealth and usually through one path.

of course the customisability is there

[Caramello Koala]

comparing deus ex to morrowind is like comparing apples to oranges, but in terms of open ended gameply they are in the same ball park, to a certain degree. i'd say there are more ways to do things in morrowind than in deus ex, in deus ex you can either blast through a door and kill everyone or sneak through the vents and tranq everyone, thats about the only choice you get in terms of how you approach missions. the story was alot more interesting than morrowinds but either way you couldn't really change it

(SPOILERS)
eg no matter what you do, you still have to join the NSF and ultimately it doesn't matter whether your brother lives or whether he dies, and it also doesn't matter whether or not you kill gunther, navarre, manderlay etc.
(SPOILERS OVER)

in morrowind you can play the game in a variety of different ways, archer, swordsman, magician, you could hunt for loot in caves, you could just explore shit and help the little guys out, or you could join guilds, you could even do the main quest if you wanted! and you could kill anyone, even characters essential to the plot/sub-plot. i'm not saying they're similar games i just think it's alot more open ended than deus ex and the OP might want to look into it. that all said deus ex is easily one of my favourite games.

[Mantikore]

(SPOILERS)
eg no matter what you do, you still have to join the NSF and ultimately it doesn't matter whether your brother lives or whether he dies, and it also doesn't matter whether or not you kill gunther, navarre, manderlay etc.
(SPOILERS OVER)


you can use the spoilers tag. eg.
Molosh is gay

[P_R_Deltoid]

Morrowind is a good one. Even shitty machines could run it, and it's incredible

[ManCannon]

Morrowind is a good one. Even shitty machines could run it, and it's incredible

Lulz, are you for real?

[alex333]

CRPGs ftw!

baldurs gate 1&2 (still some of the best games ever)
icewind dale 1&2 (decent enough to look for)
planescape: torment (phenomenal story telling)
neverwinter nights 1&2 (worth a look, the online play can be fun)

[P_R_Deltoid]

Lulz, are you for real?

Yes, I am. Free roaming is basically what he wants, Morrowind has a bunch.

[hellspawn]

Oblivion, although it's mid-evil and pretty new. Same developers as fallout. But In my opinion Deus Ex is the best game ever made.

[sdmf_from_hell]

so Oblivion is halfway towards being completely evil?

lulz

[ManCannon]

Yes, I am. Free roaming is basically what he wants, Morrowind has a bunch.

I don't really think freeroaming is basically what he wants. You can freeroam in GTA but I wouldn't recommend that to someone asking for games like Deus Ex and Fallout. Honestly, I find Morrowind boring as hell, and don't think it comes anywhere near Deus Ex or Fallout.

Also, Morrowind was actually notorious for being heavily unoptimized and needing a beefy system to run when it initially came out. I don't know what kind of computer this guy has, but if how old the games he's playing are any indication then Morrowind may be a little out of his league.

[Kwinnie Bogan]

GTA

[Eridani]

Also, Morrowind was actually notorious for being heavily unoptimized and needing a beefy system to run when it initially came out. I don't know what kind of computer this guy has, but if how old the games he's playing are any indication then Morrowind may be a little out of his league.

Also, the engine is so bad that even on some modern PCs you can still have really poor FPS.

[Snoopy]

Seriously, like every gun you find is good for maybe 2 or 3 shots before it's broken.

The power to exaggerate! It makes you an even bigger faggot! :o

[ApeToe]

Computer Specs:

Dell Dimension 8250
Intel Pentium 4 CPU 2.40GHz
256 mb RAM
ATI Radeon 9500 Pro 128 mb


Basically the only problem with it is the ram, I cannot upgrade it due to it being Pre-DDR, and costing $300+ for a 512mb stick.

[ManCannon]

The power to exaggerate! It makes you an even bigger faggot! :o

Okay, 4 or 5 shots.

My bad.

[P_R_Deltoid]

I don't really think freeroaming is basically what he wants. You can freeroam in GTA but I wouldn't recommend that to someone asking for games like Deus Ex and Fallout. Honestly, I find Morrowind boring as hell, and don't think it comes anywhere near Deus Ex or Fallout.

Also, Morrowind was actually notorious for being heavily unoptimized and needing a beefy system to run when it initially came out. I don't know what kind of computer this guy has, but if how old the games he's playing are any indication then Morrowind may be a little out of his league.

Okay, allow me to rephrase, freeroaming with RPG elements and non-linear gameplay (Which I guess is basically part of Freeroaming, but it deserves a mention)

Fallout was turnbased. That's got to be the MOST boring type of game. I'm not exactly sure why you thought Morrowind was boring, but I am sure it's dumb.

[ManCannon]

Okay, allow me to rephrase, freeroaming with RPG elements and non-linear gameplay (Which I guess is basically part of Freeroaming, but it deserves a mention)

Except one of the games he mentioned was Deus Ex, which is neither freeroaming or non-linear. You progress from level to level, and you don't get a choice where you go next.

Fallout was turnbased. That's got to be the MOST boring type of game. I'm not exactly sure why you thought Morrowind was boring, but I am sure it's dumb.

So let me get this straight, you think Fallout is boring, but Morrowind isn't? Wow, I'll be sure to never take you seriously ever again.

Why did I think Morrowind was boring? I didn't play it long, but all I remember was a drab looking world covered in fog, a shit ton of text to read, a whole lot of walking, and some mind-numbing combat.

[P_R_Deltoid]

Except one of the games he mentioned was Deus Ex, which is neither freeroaming or non-linear. You progress from level to level, and you don't get a choice where you go next.



So let me get this straight, you think Fallout is boring, but Morrowind isn't? Wow, I'll be sure to never take you seriously ever again.

Why did I think Morrowind was boring? I didn't play it long, but all I remember was a drab looking world covered in fog, a shit ton of text to read, a whole lot of walking, and some mind-numbing combat.

Then you obviously didn't travel outside of the starting area. Fallout requires just as much reading, if not more. There is fast travel, and the combat is better when you get spells to augment it.

[NaiveMonarch]

Fuck all of you, whenever someone mentions Deus Ex, I compulsively have to reinstall it and start playing.

[ManCannon]

Then you obviously didn't travel outside of the starting area. Fallout requires just as much reading, if not more. There is fast travel, and the combat is better when you get spells to augment it.

Something I found funny, was in my short time with Morrowind I didn't come across any voice acting. Even the original Fallout had voice acting for the more important characters you meet along the way.

My exposure to Morrowind was not limited to that beginning area either, I watched someone play it on numerous occasions at different stages of the game and it still looking boring as fuck to me. You can claim that despite all that I should have kept playing it anyway, but I'm just not going to sit through shitty combat, mountains of text, and an drab, fog-filled world for hours to get to what you perceive to be the good parts.

[Agent 008]

Fuck all of you, whenever someone mentions Deus Ex, I compulsively have to reinstall it and start playing.

It's good, but it's not THAT good.

The story is pretty cool so far, but the gameplay?

There are pretty much two ways to play it: stealth or brute force.

Now, it's not a very good stealth game. They don't really look for you after you've set off the alarm, and the alarm gets switched off pretty quickly. The game doesn't care how many times you get discovered.

It's not a very good shooter either; there are not many enemies around, and they are not too smart - just deadly.

The rest of the game is pretty much walking around, using lockpicks/cracking/hacking (you can go looking for clues, but you don't really need to - and it gets repetitive after a while as well). You can upgrade your skills, but that doesn't make too much difference - e.g. you can hack almost any system right from the beginning.

Don't get me wrong - I like the game, and there's lots of good and great stuff about it. But saying that it's the best game ever created? I'm not convinced.

[hellspawn]

It's good, but it's not THAT good.

The story is pretty cool so far, but the gameplay?

There are pretty much two ways to play it: stealth or brute force.

Now, it's not a very good stealth game. They don't really look for you after you've set off the alarm, and the alarm gets switched off pretty quickly. The game doesn't care how many times you get discovered.

It's not a very good shooter either; there are not many enemies around, and they are not too smart - just deadly.

The rest of the game is pretty much walking around, using lockpicks/cracking/hacking (you can go looking for clues, but you don't really need to - and it gets repetitive after a while as well). You can upgrade your skills, but that doesn't make too much difference - e.g. you can hack almost any system right from the beginning.

Don't get me wrong - I like the game, and there's lots of good and great stuff about it. But saying that it's the best game ever created? I'm not convinced.


Okay i'll give you that the gameplay is so-so (I will say that it is pretty open ended for a game of it's time), But your underselling the story line. It's complex and rich in substance, It's relevent! Unlike 99% of other games, It's applicable (at least in part) to whats going on in the world!

[Agent 008]

Okay i'll give you that the gameplay is so-so (I will say that it is pretty open ended for a game of it's time), But your underselling the story line. It's complex and rich in substance, It's relevent! Unlike 99% of other games, It's applicable (at least in part) to whats going on in the world!

That I agree with. The story really keeps the game together.

[Caramello Koala]

Something I found funny, was in my short time with Morrowind I didn't come across any voice acting. Even the original Fallout had voice acting for the more important characters you meet along the way.

My exposure to Morrowind was not limited to that beginning area either, I watched someone play it on numerous occasions at different stages of the game and it still looking boring as fuck to me. You can claim that despite all that I should have kept playing it anyway, but I'm just not going to sit through shitty combat, mountains of text, and an drab, fog-filled world for hours to get to what you perceive to be the good parts.

it definitely isn't for everyone. maybe give oblivion a try? it's a more polished version of morrowind and touches up on pretty much everything you said you disliked about morrowind. there's great voice acting (there was voice acting in morrowind too btw, but theres alot more in oblivion), good combat and beautiful locales that are not drowned in fog. there's also not much required reading at all. but at the end of the day i really don't care whether or not you enjoy elder scrolls games, but i think oblivion is definitely worth checking out.

[Eridani]

Oblivion is also a lot worse than Morrowind in a lot of ways. It has no atmosphere and just feels like a washed out, generic fantasy world. There's no reason to explore (unlike Morrowind where it felt "exciting" to discover a new area) because you can just fast travel straight to a map marker. The quests are all *really* boring - go here and kill X or find X and bring it back and once you've done 1/2 Oblivion gates they really get old - then you realise there's like 8 more to do... *yawn*.

Fallout 3 is a lot better and has more of that feeling from Morrowind that exploring is fun... maybe OP would enjoy FO3 but it wouldn't run on those specs.

Edit: Also... the voice acting in Oblivion is awful - way too slow. I would much rather read it, and have no problem doing so, than sit through they shitty voice acting they used.

[P_R_Deltoid]

Something I found funny, was in my short time with Morrowind I didn't come across any voice acting. Even the original Fallout had voice acting for the more important characters you meet along the way.

My exposure to Morrowind was not limited to that beginning area either, I watched someone play it on numerous occasions at different stages of the game and it still looking boring as fuck to me. You can claim that despite all that I should have kept playing it anyway, but I'm just not going to sit through shitty combat, mountains of text, and an drab, fog-filled world for hours to get to what you perceive to be the good parts.

Congratulations, you watched someone else play a videogame and got bored. What a new and interesting discovery.

There are other areas besides the swamp, again, even the person you watched didn't leave the starting area.

[The English Gentleman]

deus ex just simply cannot be beaten, it is the best game i ever playe imo.

[Caramello Koala]

Oblivion is also a lot worse than Morrowind in a lot of ways. It has no atmosphere and just feels like a washed out, generic fantasy world. There's no reason to explore (unlike Morrowind where it felt "exciting" to discover a new area) because you can just fast travel straight to a map marker. The quests are all *really* boring - go here and kill X or find X and bring it back and once you've done 1/2 Oblivion gates they really get old - then you realise there's like 8 more to do... *yawn*.

Fallout 3 is a lot better and has more of that feeling from Morrowind that exploring is fun... maybe OP would enjoy FO3 but it wouldn't run on those specs.

Edit: Also... the voice acting in Oblivion is awful - way too slow. I would much rather read it, and have no problem doing so, than sit through they shitty voice acting they used.

there were flaws with morrowind and oblivion but i thoroughly enjoyed them both. i also disliked the fast travel, but at the same time it was similar to the silt striders in morrowind, no one likes to spend an hour running back and forth between different areas. exploring was alot more exciting in morrowind (except those stupid bat things got annoying), but no atmosphere? cmon, the various caves and ruins etc oozed atmosphere, that being said oblivion got boring alot quicker than morrowind did, the oblivion gates were exciting the first time but not the 20th. i thought the side quests were fun.. but maybe that's just me. anyway lets not turn this thread into a morrowind vs oblivion debate, both are good games in their own right. maybe the OP might enjoy them.

[Snoopy]

Okay, 4 or 5 shots.

My bad.

The power to exaggerate! It makes you an even bigger faggot! :o

[P_R_Deltoid]

there were flaws with morrowind and oblivion but i thoroughly enjoyed them both. i also disliked the fast travel, but at the same time it was similar to the silt striders in morrowind, no one likes to spend an hour running back and forth between different areas. exploring was alot more exciting in morrowind (except those stupid bat things got annoying), but no atmosphere? cmon, the various caves and ruins etc oozed atmosphere, that being said oblivion got boring alot quicker than morrowind did, the oblivion gates were exciting the first time but not the 20th. i thought the side quests were fun.. but maybe that's just me. anyway lets not turn this thread into a morrowind vs oblivion debate, both are good games in their own right. maybe the OP might enjoy them.

Silt Riders are travel between fixed locations. That system kept the game less boring, but more epic in scale.

[ManCannon]

it definitely isn't for everyone. maybe give oblivion a try? it's a more polished version of morrowind and touches up on pretty much everything you said you disliked about morrowind. there's great voice acting (there was voice acting in morrowind too btw, but theres alot more in oblivion), good combat and beautiful locales that are not drowned in fog.

I didn't much care for Oblivion either. The only decent quests were The Dark Brotherhood ones, nothing else really tickled my fancy. I tried to keep playing it after that, but once I realized all the "omg awesome random dungeons" were basically all the same and that the main storyline sucked ass, I was done.

I did enjoy exploring the world though. In fact, I never used fast travel because I just enjoyed walking around and looking at the scenery. But eventually that lost it's appeal, and there wasn't much else to keep me interested.

Also, I don't know what you are talking about because the voice acting was terrible. There was like what, 5 different voices for the hundreds of people int he game?

The power to exaggerate! It makes you an even bigger faggot! :o

Maaaybe 6. If you're lucky.

[hellspawn]

Patrick Steward played the emporer! Other than that that yea..... (on an intresting note, malcolm Mcdowell played the voice of president john henry eden in fallout 3, and for those of you who didn't know malcolm mcdowell played the role of alex in "a clockwork orange" waaay back when)
....................i have no life............

[P_R_Deltoid]

Other than that that yea..... (on an intresting note, malcolm Mcdowell played the voice of president john henry eden in fallout 3, and for those of you who didn't know malcolm mcdowell played the role of alex in "a clockwork orange" waaay back when)
....................i have no life............

I would have never guessed.

[GenocideMachine]

Patrick Steward played the emporer! Other than that that yea..... (on an intresting note, malcolm Mcdowell played the voice of president john henry eden in fallout 3, and for those of you who didn't know malcolm mcdowell played the role of alex in "a clockwork orange" waaay back when)
....................i have no life............

............................what the fuck is with your typing style............................

[hellspawn]

............................what the fuck is with your typing style............................

A pause for effect, douche.

[ManCannon]

A pause for effect, douche.

..........

You're fucking dumb.

[hellspawn]

..........

You're fucking dumb.

And your a fucking douche.

[GenocideMachine]

And your a fucking douche.

And you desperately require an education.

[Winter]

And you desperately require an education.

I find it ironic you say that because most gamers are viewed as less educated and more lazy. Its funny because you should already know that hes stupid, because hes a gamer.

But then again, not all gamers are stupid, but simply have poor writing "skills" on the internet.

Fuck this. Theres too much to explain and too many viewpoints. He dosnt need an education. Fuck you.

[GenocideMachine]

I find it ironic you say that because most gamers are viewed as less educated and more lazy. Its funny because you should already know that hes stupid, because hes a gamer.

But then again, not all gamers are stupid, but simply have poor writing "skills" on the internet.

Fuck this. Theres too much to explain and too many viewpoints. He dosnt need an education. Fuck you.

What the fuck are you talking about? Your post doesn't even make sense.

Its funny because you should already know that hes stupid, because hes a gamer.

It looks more as though you're angsting about the stereotypes regarding gamers than my actual post, because what I said wasn't an attack on gamers even in the most roundabout way humanly possible.

Why don't you read the rest of Hellspawn's posts? You'll soon notice that it wasn't just his grammar that makes him appear like a fucking tool.

And fuck you, I'm probably under the umbrella term of "gamer" too.

[hellspawn]

If your going to attack me, back it up. Quote something that proves i'm in desperate need of an education. As a matter of fact show me how much smarter you are than i am, prove to me that your in a position to call me stupid.