W&C Random Thread

[The Swede]

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2011/08/18/taurus-judge-and-winchester-pdx1-410-shotshell-gel-test/

It seems like pigs can fly!

[virgil caine]

http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb445/totse1/60_1e38f9077745fe0c13cea2e5330692df82d4e5dc.jpg


shoestring machinegun i have never tried it but i guess the atf ruled it was legal to bumpfire like that after ruleing that it was illegal before

[ZX9R]

So I made the move last month from FL to PA.

Been rather nice so far.

Better scenery.
Better weather.
Less congested.

Private shooting range is about ten minutes away -- my friend owns about twenty acres of land. =D

Instead of looking out the window and seeing rows of condos now I get to look at mountains.

http://i880.photobucket.com/albums/ac9/REDLlNE-/DSCN4579.jpg

[Hydroponichronic]

So I got a thought the other day. Would it be possible (or is there already such a thing) as a .45 acp breaching round? I was thinking something like a thin plastic sabot, but filled with lead or tungsten powder. Unlike a traditional breaching round, though, the "sabot" would encompass the powder completely, so the barrel (and hand) could be held a foot or so away. Could it work? Anyone heard of such a thing? Or is a .45 not big enough?

[5.56 SS109]

My Colt LE6920 is now a collector's item : /

Colt just recently stopped making the LE6920s with the "Restricted LE, Govt, Export Use Only" marking on them, in favor of the new SP6920.

I always thought the markings were stupid, I am just curious if there will be any price gouging going on with the old style LE6920s.

[LavaRed]

http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb445/totse1/60_1e38f9077745fe0c13cea2e5330692df82d4e5dc.jpg


shoestring machinegun i have never tried it but i guess the atf ruled it was legal to bumpfire like that after ruleing that it was illegal before

If you notice, that is a legal, registered machine gun. The little metal plaque has the info and serial number ;)

[5.56 SS109]

Pre-86 shoestring :D

[944]

IF someone may have came across a unregistered AK with the 3rd pin hole, what is the general consensus of what should be done?



Run and hide fearing it's a trap???
Buy it, hide it , never speak of it again???

[Hydroponichronic]

YES I OPEN CARRIED AN AK47 - YouTube

I lol'd pretty good. Everyone in open carry states should do this. Would be so much lulz.

[LavaRed]

Pre-86 shoestring :D

I just made one for my Ruger Mini 14, and have already realized it can be improved. I hope to present a range report soon.

[5.56 SS109]

IF someone may have came across a unregistered AK with the 3rd pin hole, what is the general consensus of what should be done?



Run and hide fearing it's a trap???
Buy it, hide it , never speak of it again???

#2 :whistle:

[5.56 SS109]

YES I OPEN CARRIED AN AK47 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLmp_J5COzA)

I lol'd pretty good. Everyone in open carry states should do this. Would be so much lulz.

Well, he got the attention he was looking for.

Open carriers are generally just attention hungry babies with some kind of cop or soldier complex who want people to see how "cool" or important they are just because they have a gun.

Every open carrier I have ever seen in public was either a fat fucker who would have a heart attack in a dynamic confrontation or some weenie 20-something who doesn't train and only uses the gun as a fashion accessory.

[LavaRed]

Well, he got the attention he was looking for.

Open carriers are generally just attention hungry babies with some kind of cop or soldier complex who want people to see how "cool" or important they are just because they have a gun.

Every open carrier I have ever seen in public was either a fat fucker who would have a heart attack in a dynamic confrontation or some weenie 20-something who doesn't train and only uses the gun as a fashion accessory.

I kinda think open carrying a gun puts one at a disadvantage, and tends to intimidate people, which projects a negative image.

I do open carry in the outdoors tho, where it's appropriate. Or when I just had to tuck my gun in my pants to get the door or something.

[ZX9R]

IF someone may have came across a unregistered AK with the 3rd pin hole, what is the general consensus of what should be done?



Run and hide fearing it's a trap???
Buy it, hide it , never speak of it again???

Unregistered?

With who?

The NFA branch?


If it is not on the NFA books I would run away.

[944]

Unregistered?

With who?

The NFA branch?


If it is not on the NFA books I would run away.

There are Chinese, Yugo, misc. Drangonov's and a few Saiga's that have came through that had the pin hole drilled but with rivets in them that were not caught and made their way into civilian hands. Of course the ATF wants them back

[Rolf]

On another note, I just read about the AN-94 for the first time the other day. Apparently it's been around since the 80s.

The "94" signifies that it was designed in 1994, states Rolf.

That 2-burst it has is crazy. I'd be curious to see what the angular spread is between the two rounds.

So would Rolf, the entire design revolves around there being very little spread, as the idea behind the AN-94 is for both of the small-calibre rounds to hit the same spot, having an armour-piercing effect, explains Rolf.

Also, the recoiling barrel isn't something you see a lot, and I'd be curious as to the downsides.

The entire weapon is supposed to have some significant issues, apart from expensive price, that is, states Rolf. The AN-94 is said to have rather poor ergonomics and poor reliability in bad conditions, in addition, it is difficult to disassemble and maintain, explains Rolf. That being said, it differs from the Kalashnikov series by being designed for well-trained, professional soldiers, which explains why it is only used in small numbers by the Special Forces/Spetsnaz units in Russia, adds Rolf.

I wonder if there are parts kits anywhere online?

No, answers Rolf. The Abakan is notable for being basically the only Russian-made small arm that they refuse to export to anyone, states Rolf.

[Darkhunter]

Samurai sword vs. Gun - YouTube

[Hydroponichronic]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_YnukvBCvWxc/TKY1a9R6ASI/AAAAAAAAABs/fODI2RaZ_HI/s1600/IVAN.png

because the old pic was hosted by tinypic and got deleted.

also, related:

http://firepowerphilosophy.blogspot.com/2010/10/ladies-and-gentlemen-meet-ivan.html

EDIT - more lulz:

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1111893_Ivan_Chesnokov_Dump__from_4_chan___add_you rs_if_you_have_others.html

[944]

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1111893_ivan_chesnokov_dump__from_4_chan___add_you rs_if_you_have_others.html


"krav maga is fighting style of jew who thinks is good idea to carry pistol with empty chamber. Not so sure i trust this man to teach how to fight. "

"NAZI HECKLER AND KOCH ONLY SENDS MESSAGE THAT YOU WILL SHOOT JEW. IF SHE WERE LIKE GR"EAT LYUDMILA PAVLICHENKO SHE JUST LAUGH AND BAIL ON YOUR ASS FOR CARRYING DUMB NAZI BRICK OF HIGH PRICE

[Hydroponichronic]

While we're at it:

"YUGOSLAV TYPE HAS SPECIAL GAS TUBE LEVER AND GRENADE SPIGOT ON END OF BARREL. I THINK LIVE GRENADE FOR CIVILIAN IN AMERICA IS PROBABLY ENOUGH REASON FOR GULAG, SO IS PROBABLY NO REAL USE FOR GRENADE SPIGOT TO YOU."

[Hydroponichronic]

http://i.qkme.me/3534w8.jpg

lol

[Hydroponichronic]

DO WANT: http://fatpita.net/?i=8649

[The Swede]

So The Swede is single, i guess i'm a true Zokleteer.

[LavaRed]

So The Swede is single, i guess i'm a true Zokleteer.

What happened man? We need to talk on msn. I never see you on anymore. But I'll make the effort.

[The Swede]

What happened man? We need to talk on msn. I never see you on anymore. But I'll make the effort.

Yeah i don't sit very much at the computer, but sometimes i sit up 'till late.

[5.56 SS109]

I swapped out the grip on one of my ARs and I guess the safety detent spring channel was more shallow than the original grip, so my safety lever was stiff as shit and I ended up clipping about 2 coils off of the spring.

Anyone else ever have to do this?

Are there any long term issues that could pop up from doing this? I doubt it, but input is appreciated.

[Darkhunter]

I swapped out the grip on one of my ARs and I guess the safety detent spring channel was more shallow than the original grip, so my safety lever was stiff as shit and I ended up clipping about 2 coils off of the spring.

Anyone else ever have to do this?

Are there any long term issues that could pop up from doing this? I doubt it, but input is appreciated.

I'd usually get drunk and flip the toggle for an hour or two non-stop until it loosened up when I had to switch out stocks and trigger assemblies for my 10 gauge. Most boring shit seems so much more fun while hammered lol.

[5.56 SS109]

I'd usually get drunk and flip the toggle for an hour or two non-stop until it loosened up when I had to switch out stocks and trigger assemblies for my 10 gauge. Most boring shit seems so much more fun while hammered lol.

Tried it, nothing improved.

It's pretty sweet now though, just a bit stiffer than what I would consider optimal. But I'm not going to push my luck and end up ruining it.

The rifle is do for an upgrade anyways, so I'll probably buy a few different springs from different manufactures til I find one that is satisfactory.

[Darkhunter]

The rifle is do for an upgrade anyways, so I'll probably buy a few different springs from different manufactures til I find one that is satisfactory.

I did the same thing when I helped a friend of mine rebuild his AK47. It took 3-4 different styles of stock and trigger guard assemblies before he had a style he liked and then I did some modification to make it up to style or also known as tweaking it to auto fire lol. I did however do a noobish thing a spray the fire switch with WD-40 to make it a bit quicker for a time until it worked itself or he got used to the catch. Either or.

[5.56 SS109]

I did the same thing when I helped a friend of mine rebuild his AK47. It took 3-4 different styles of stock and trigger guard assemblies before he had a style he liked and then I did some modification to make it up to style or also known as tweaking it to auto fire lol. I did however do a noobish thing a spray the fire switch with WD-40 to make it a bit quicker for a time until it worked itself or he got used to the catch. Either or.

This is what it pretty much looks like now.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v467/Hydrashock/DSCN1243.jpg

Except I swapped the Ergo grip for the A2 grip that my "primary" AR had. Because the AR in the picture is way lighter and cheaper, so the shitty A2 grip wouldn't be out of place.

Whereas I felt my heavier Colt could be improved with a more ergonomic grip.

Anyway as you can see from the picture it is pretty vanilla and I would really like to put a tan Vltor Clubfoot stock on it and add some kind of red dot.

Though I do like the simplicity of it in its current configuration.

[Darkhunter]

This is what it pretty much looks like now.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v467/Hydrashock/DSCN1243.jpg

Except I swapped the Ergo grip for the A2 grip that my "primary" AR had. Because the AR in the picture is way lighter and cheaper, so the shitty A2 grip wouldn't be out of place.

Whereas I felt my heavier Colt could be improved with a more ergonomic grip.

Anyway as you can see from the picture it is pretty vanilla and I would really like to put a tan Vltor Clubfoot stock on it and add some kind of red dot.

Though I do like the simplicity of it in its current configuration.

It looks good man but unless I've fire a clip through it I cant tell if its truly good or not. But eyeballing it; I've got to say bitching gun dude :thumbsup:

[5.56 SS109]

It looks good man but unless I've fire a clip through it I cant tell if its truly good or not. But eyeballing it; I've got to say bitching gun dude :thumbsup:

Thanks man.

Here is the "primo" AR in my collection though.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v467/Hydrashock/DSCN1246.jpg

The red dot does change the balance a bit and the barrel is slightly heavier, but it is so much more awesome than the plain jane version.

I put 10 rounds of my handloads into a 2 inch circle at 100 yards earlier today with it (from the bench of course).

[Darkhunter]

Thanks man.

Here is the "primo" AR in my collection though.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v467/Hydrashock/DSCN1246.jpg

The red dot does change the balance a bit and the barrel is slightly heavier, but it is so much more awesome than the plain jane version.

I put 10 rounds of my handloads into a 2 inch circle at 100 yards earlier today with it (from the bench of course).

The red dot its something you have to get used to. I always learned on iron sights from an early age and shoot lefty so I had to learn it a weird way haha.

[5.56 SS109]

The red dot its something you have to get used to. I always learned on iron sights from an early age and shoot lefty so I had to learn it a weird way haha.

I bought a .22 conversion kit for that very reason.

A couple thousand cheapo rounds down the tube using the red dot was a great way to get used to it.

I had trouble using the dot and shooting with both eyes open before, but I have gotten to the point where using just one eye feels wrong as hell.

[Yurpen]

Man I wish a fucking war would start on our soil

[5.56 SS109]

Man I wish a fucking war would start on our soil

I don't know man.

That's kind of the equivalent of saying you wish you were in a car accident.

[Yurpen]

I don't know man.

That's kind of the equivalent of saying you wish you were in a car accident.

Never been in one, but that would be cool to.

[Darkhunter]

I don't know man.

That's kind of the equivalent of saying you wish you were in a car accident.

And in that car accident was a nuclear bomb being transported.

[Hydroponichronic]

Never been in one, but that would be cool to.

I laughed and facepalmed at the same time.

[5.56 SS109]

Just bought some reloading dies and components for 9mm.

The deviation between the minimum and maximum powder charges seem to be 1-1.5 grains, and frankly I am nervous with such a small margin of error.

I have put more than a few factory +P+ rounds through it though, so I may be worrying about nothing.

Rounds are 115gr Remington JHPs over Hodgdon HP-38.

I made 5 each of the following charges.

4.5gr
4.7gr
4.9gr
5.0gr

5.1 is listed as the max for a Speer Gold Dot of the same weight, so I am not interested in walking the razor's edge in case there might be a bearing surface or jacket hardness difference between the two.

Loading for rifles is so easy and I guess it spoiled me.


Ah well, I guess we'll see if I still have an H&K tomorrow or not.

[944]

Just bought some reloading dies and components for 9mm.

The deviation between the minimum and maximum powder charges seem to be 1-1.5 grains, and frankly I am nervous with such a small margin of error.

I have put more than a few factory +P+ rounds through it though, so I may be worrying about nothing.

Rounds are 115gr Remington JHPs over Hodgdon HP-38.

I made 5 each of the following charges.

4.5gr
4.7gr
4.9gr
5.0gr

5.1 is listed as the max for a Speer Gold Dot of the same weight, so I am not interested in walking the razor's edge in case there might be a bearing surface or jacket hardness difference between the two.

Loading for rifles is so easy and I guess it spoiled me.


Ah well, I guess we'll see if I still have an H&K tomorrow or not.


I wouldn't worry to much HK's are way overbuilt, and your using a pistol that was designed for a much more volatile round (.40SW). Killing a USP is not a easy job




BTW Sold the P7M8 and went to a P30 (9mm, V3), The M8 is a beautiful weapon but after 6 months and still not getting the groups I got from the USP I let it go. I'm loving the ergo's on the P30 and after only 600 rounds am sure I made the right choice:D

[Hydroponichronic]

So, I got a funny idea. One could make a straight zipgun with a fake wood exterior, such that the thing looked like a carved, footlong wooden stick. Then, load it with a green flash powder as propellant, using a green tracer round as the projectile. Carry this thing as a concealed piece, then if you ever need to defend yourself with it, right before you fire it, yell "AVADA KEDAVRA!"

Is it just me or would that be lulz?

[Darkhunter]

So, I got a funny idea. One could make a straight zipgun with a fake wood exterior, such that the thing looked like a carved, footlong wooden stick. Then, load it with a green flash powder as propellant, using a green tracer round as the projectile. Carry this thing as a concealed piece, then if you ever need to defend yourself with it, right before you fire it, yell "AVADA KEDAVRA!"

Is it just me or would that be lulz?

If I ever saw that I'd laugh my ass off.

[LavaRed]

So, I got a funny idea. One could make a straight zipgun with a fake wood exterior, such that the thing looked like a carved, footlong wooden stick. Then, load it with a green flash powder as propellant, using a green tracer round as the projectile. Carry this thing as a concealed piece, then if you ever need to defend yourself with it, right before you fire it, yell "AVADA KEDAVRA!"

Is it just me or would that be lulz?


Have mercy upon my wallet will you?

If you make it, however, I will buy it.

[5.56 SS109]

I wouldn't worry to much HK's are way overbuilt, and your using a pistol that was designed for a much more volatile round (.40SW). Killing a USP is not a easy job




BTW Sold the P7M8 and went to a P30 (9mm, V3), The M8 is a beautiful weapon but after 6 months and still not getting the groups I got from the USP I let it go. I'm loving the ergo's on the P30 and after only 600 rounds am sure I made the right choice:D

Yeah they worked awesome.

No pressure signs at all, but I am not going to exceed max.

Gonna get some Unique or something a bit more suited to faster loads though so I can make defensive ammo that is also cheap enough to practice with.

[Hydroponichronic]

Have mercy upon my wallet will you?

If you make it, however, I will buy it.

I've got fuck-all for machine experience or tools. Better you do the heavy lifting.

[LavaRed]

I've got fuck-all for machine experience or tools. Better you do the heavy lifting.

May wallet said to use at least vaseline if not KY next time :D.

I have a worn-out M3 Grease-Gun Barrel that might just be perfect.

I'll check back in a few months with it :D .

[The Swede]

Battle report:
Last Thursday Sweden went into a state of emergency, a series of terrorist attacks have been ravaging state buildings and powerplants, sewage treatment plants and such. Victor Lima got the mission to set up a perimeter around key buildings and dams in the forests of Gävleborg.

My platoon took on the Lanforsen power plant and defended it witout casualties with 1 dead terrorist and 3 captured and the rest retreating.

We defended our plant 'till the end of the exercise and the other 2 platoons in my company failed sadly. But they suck:D

Didn't take much pictures and most of them have other people on them so i'll just post these 3.
http://forumbilder.se/images/ef32011120205fcd2.jpghttp://forumbilder.se/images/8532011120943da17.jpghttp://forumbilder.se/images/6732011120132becd.jpg
Happy hunting!

[ilovechronic]

I swapped out the grip on one of my ARs and I guess the safety detent spring channel was more shallow than the original grip, so my safety lever was stiff as shit and I ended up clipping about 2 coils off of the spring.

Anyone else ever have to do this?

Are there any long term issues that could pop up from doing this? I doubt it, but input is appreciated.

I put the wrong spring in my carbine safety detent when I first built it and it was loose but it functioned. Don't really see why It would be a rpoblem but I am not sure.

[Malcolm Equis]

it seems that its hard to find rifle ranges around here.

[Hydroponichronic]

http://forumbilder.se/images/ef32011120205fcd2.jpg

Shit, outa curiosity, how much that thing weigh? Also, I haven't heard anything about terrorist attacks in sweeden. When was this going on?

[The Swede]

11,6kilograms* without ammunition and aimpoint sight.
No terrorist attacks, i kinda hid it in the post but i said "exercise" somehere in it.

We defended our plant 'till the end of the exercise and the other 2 platoons in my company failed sadly. But they suck


*25.6 pounds

[Hydroponichronic]

*25.6 pounds

Did you volunteer to be a machine gunner, or did you just draw the short straw?

[The Swede]

You volounteer. Same with the GRG (Carl Gustaf in your silly language:P) that weighs 31,3 pounds. But you never get too shoot that motherfucker so i haven't taken the course to use it.

[Hydroponichronic]

You volounteer. Fair enough. I'm just really out of shape, so I couldn't imagine lugging a 12kg machinegun around on a hike/exercise. More power to ya though.

the GRG (Carl Gustaf in your silly language:P)Holy shit, just looked that one up on youtube. I want one.

[The Swede]

I'm kinda out of shape too, i need to build up some muscles in my neck and arms to be able to use that mg properly, also kinda need legs too, but they are okay..*

And yeah, they have pretty much any ammo you can imagine, we only use HEAT, HE(shrapnel with airburst option), Smoke and in wartime Illumination rounds.

[Malcolm Equis]

some kid i know is selling a colt .45 1911 for $150.

Isn't this way underpriced? It seems too good to be true, but this kid is probably a dumbass. I'm gonna go check it out in person in a couple days.

[5.56 SS109]

some kid i know is selling a colt .45 1911 for $150.

Isn't this way underpriced? It seems too good to be true, but this kid is probably a dumbass. I'm gonna go check it out in person in a couple days.

If it is a Colt brand 1911 it is priced as if it were stolen/has bodies on it.

[nuclearrabbit]

http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/s720x720/316999_292450724116261_100000540061490_1117689_268 84828_n.jpg
Under $1k and all I need. ::))

[Gun Lover]

http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/s720x720/316999_292450724116261_100000540061490_1117689_268 84828_n.jpg
Under $1k and all I need. ::))

What's the scoped rifle?

[nuclearrabbit]

http://www.savagearms.com/firearms/model/64F
The only available magazines are 10rd which kinda sucks but aside from that it's a nice rifle. Got mine for under a hundred bucks. Hmm, I'd guess the three together were obtained for only $500. :eek:

[Gun Lover]

Got mine for under a hundred bucks. Hmm, I'd guess the three together were obtained for only $500. :eek:

Noice http://www.zoklet.net/bbs/images/icons/ajrn7l.jpg

[Malcolm Equis]

Apparently the guy wants $300. Im probably going to see it today.

as long as it isnt a .22 colt 19111. It is still way undervalued.

[5.56 SS109]

Apparently the guy wants $300. Im probably going to see it today.

as long as it isnt a .22 colt 19111. It is still way undervalued.

If it is a Colt Ace .22 kit, that is some high dollar shit.

So don't shy away if it is a .22, you may be able to get a lot of money for it.

[Hydroponichronic]

(Real Gun) "Bump firing" the S&W M500. - YouTube

And here I thought limp-wristing wasn't bad on a revolver.

[Malcolm Equis]

If it is a Colt Ace .22 kit, that is some high dollar shit.

So don't shy away if it is a .22, you may be able to get a lot of money for it.

I saw a picture of it. It's pretty much exactly like this except it does not have that gold seal in the middle of the grip and it is all nickel or chrome instead of black.

http://www.gunsamerica.com/941895950/Guns/Pistols/Colt-Automatic-Pistols/COLT_1911_WORLD_WAR_1_COMMEMORATIVE_1917_1967.htm#

anything specific to look for when i go see it? I have never even handled a 1911 before, so its all new to me.

[5.56 SS109]

I borrowed a Chrony F1 and finally got to see how fast 5.0 gr of W231/HP38 drives a 115gr Remington JHP.

I fired 3 rounds and only got one reading due to the fact that I did it indoors, but it is right about where the load books said it would be at 1147 fps.

Kind of slow, but W231/HP38 is fast burning.

I'll probably test my .223 loads later today when I get to a real outdoor range.

[5.56 SS109]

I saw a picture of it. It's pretty much exactly like this except it does not have that gold seal in the middle of the grip and it is all nickel or chrome instead of black.

http://www.gunsamerica.com/941895950/Guns/Pistols/Colt-Automatic-Pistols/COLT_1911_WORLD_WAR_1_COMMEMORATIVE_1917_1967.htm#

anything specific to look for when i go see it? I have never even handled a 1911 before, so its all new to me.

If it is a Llama or a Star 1911-style pistol, be advised that they are pretty low quality but still typically more expensive than $150.

[Gun Lover]

(Real Gun) "Bump firing" the S&W M500. - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4y9bhkYF9E)

And here I thought limp-wristing wasn't bad on a revolver.

Holy shit, I'm surprised he didn't get in trouble for being a jackass putting holes through the ceiling :eek:

[Malcolm Equis]

If it is a Llama or a Star 1911-style pistol, be advised that they are pretty low quality but still typically more expensive than $150.
I went and checked it out, it all seems good and well. Everything seemed working.
I got it for $300. Looks like its worth at least $700.

The guy would have had no clue how to sell it for a decent amount anyway.

Turns out it was a gift from a relative that he now hates, so he wanted to get rid of everything that reminded him of him.

Surprised how mundane the 1911 actually is. I expected more. Why are these guns so much money?

also 45 ammo is expensive as shit.

probably gonna sell this. though i don't know how or where yet.

[Ph0x]

I went and checked it out, it all seems good and well. Everything seemed working.
I got it for $300. Looks like its worth at least $700.

The guy would have had no clue how to sell it for a decent amount anyway.

Turns out it was a gift from a relative that he now hates, so he wanted to get rid of everything that reminded him of him.

Surprised how mundane the 1911 actually is. I expected more. Why are these guns so much money?

also 45 ammo is expensive as shit.

probably gonna sell this. though i don't know how or where yet.

It's a pistol, the less it does the more it works.

[Malcolm Equis]

It's a pistol, the less it does the more it works.

don't wanna start a hate thread on it cause i now own one lol. But i see no reason why this is superior to a glock.

[5.56 SS109]

Why are these guns so much money?

Nostalgia-fags.

People still can't grasp the fact that technology moves on so they think overly complicated handguns in obsolete calibers are still something worth buying.

[Hydroponichronic]

obsolete calibers

wut

[5.56 SS109]

wut

With modern ammunition technology .45 offers nothing over 9mm, so there is no reason to even bother with it.

Same with .357 Magnum, as far as defensive usage goes.

[Darkhunter]

With modern ammunition technology .45 offers nothing over 9mm, so there is no reason to even bother with it.

Same with .357 Magnum, as far as defensive usage goes.

I quite like a .357 caliber but ABSOLUTE find no need for a .22 caliber.

[LavaRed]

don't wanna start a hate thread on it cause i now own one lol. But i see no reason why this is superior to a glock.

We'll be able to settle that in 100 years if there are still large numbers of original Glocks functioning then.

[Malcolm Equis]

We'll be able to settle that in 100 years if there are still large numbers of original Glocks functioning then.

tal vez.

I really want to change the grips on this gun though. Between the chrome and the pearl colored ceramic grips it looks like a damn toy. But i think changing the grips will hurt resale value.

i think the grips have already been replaced since it is missing the seal. like this http://images.gunsinternational.com/listings/100203964-3-s.jpg

[LavaRed]

tal vez.

I really want to change the grips on this gun though. Between the chrome and the pearl colored ceramic grips it looks like a damn toy. But i think changing the grips will hurt resale value.

i think the grips have already been replaced since it is missing the seal. like this http://images.gunsinternational.com/listings/100203964-3-s.jpg

Original M1911A1 grips didn't have a seal. I suggest you put Pachmayr signature grips on it. Part number GM-45. They work wonders.

1911's are very good pistols. The best part is the trigger. I strongly suggest you keep it.

[Gun Lover]

wut

With modern ammunition technology .45 offers nothing over 9mm

Pretty much this

A modern .45 should be .45 super, not .45 ACP. .45ACP is archaic as fuck

[Hydroponichronic]

With modern ammunition technology .45 offers nothing over 9mm, so there is no reason to even bother with it.

Same with .357 Magnum, as far as defensive usage goes.
.45acp - 9mm = .07inches (1.8mm)

the extra bullet diameter seems nothing to scoff at.

:confused:

[Malcolm Equis]

Original M1911A1 grips didn't have a seal. I suggest you put Pachmayr signature grips on it. Part number GM-45. They work wonders.

1911's are very good pistols. The best part is the trigger. I strongly suggest you keep it.

It's not original its a "commemorative edition"
like these
http://www.collectorsfirearms.com/admin/product_details.php?itemID=44519
except not as fancy and has no seal on grip. It has the engravings though on both sides of the slide.

At the end of the serial number it is MA. I can't find this model anywhere.

also found a handy website if you live in FL
http://pas.fdle.state.fl.us/pas/item/displayGunSearch.a
mine is clean as so far as that system says

[virgil caine]

if its commemorative version and unfired you might be able to get more money for it than usual

[Malcolm Equis]

if its commemorative version and unfired you might be able to get more money for it than usual

nah its been fired, but i have no clue when these were made or anything. info is nonexistent.

it looks like its never been cleaned. the grip screws are rusted too. but other than that its perfectly fine. the finish it still good.

[5.56 SS109]

.45acp - 9mm = .07inches (1.8mm)

the extra bullet diameter seems nothing to scoff at.

:confused:

Handguns suck at stopping threats in a timely manner, I want more ammo.

Comparing similar designs, the Hi Power has nearly twice the capacity of the 1911.

To me that is a more desirable feature in a defensive handgun than an insignificant increase in bullet diameter.

[Hydroponichronic]

84mm Carl Gustav HEAT 751 Shaped Charge tamdem warhead - YouTube

DO WANT

http://static1.fjcdn.com/thumbnails/comments/do+want+_89f3d31fe5cede35d1a2e807e3ff8231.jpg

[Ph0x]

I'v actually fired a charlie G, they are alot of fun even with just chalk rounds.

[944]

Anyone else find it more aggravating that the Brady Campaign idiots refuse to educate themselves enough to know the difference between a clip and a magazine, than that they are still trying to ban 'assault clips'?

[The Swede]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whiskey_on_the_rocks

30 years later. :D

[reggie_love]

Jim Zumbo, Bill Ruger, and Lon Horiuchi walk into a bar:

Jim Zumbo orders a ginger ale, proclaiming liquor isn't necessary for anyone who isn't a hardcore alcoholic and refuses to buy any "terrorist beverages"

Bill Ruger orders a six pack, claiming six beers is the most alcohol any honest man should need.

Horiuchi downs 3 pitchers of beer in rapid succession and then goes to take a piss, only he stands outside the bathroom and hits two innocent patrons instead of the urinal.

[5.56 SS109]

Gonna take the new Smith out in a few hours and will give a range report.

:thumbsup:

[5.56 SS109]

Ok, well I really couldn't hit shit with it because the trigger is so mushy and the grip angle isn't what I'm use to.

Need moar practice with it.

[The Swede]

http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/301033_10150349252543099_327632718098_8355189_2386 21268_n.jpg

[Hydroponichronic]

http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/301033_10150349252543099_327632718098_8355189_2386 21268_n.jpg
I am so gonna start writing that on those.

[5.56 SS109]

I still suck with the S&W :(

[The Swede]

Well this is the random thread.
http://forumbilder.se/images/393120116020681cc.jpg

[reggie_love]

^ Is that some kind of brass catcher you have there?

[The Swede]

Yeah. They made it at first for the basic AK4(G3A3) to collect brass to be reloaded with blanks, nowadays the brass gets so beat up by it* we use it just so that we don't litter the forests and don't have brass flying 100 feet (seriously) into someones face or car. We train alot in the cities on not-so-busy days.

*Back when the basic AK4 was used we also had a brass buffert so that it wouldn't get dented, now when we have the rail modification we can't mount the buffert.
http://img79.echo.cx/img79/2761/namnls7xr.jpg


edit: fun fact. it holds ~3 magazines worth of brass, wich are around 60 rounds. It gets fucking heavy after a while, on a alredy heavy rifle. Most of us "accidently" damage the pouch so that the brass falls out and you get the nice thing about not shoving your squadmates faces full of hot brass.

[Hydroponichronic]

ak 47 silenced 500 meters - YouTube

world's most improvised suppressor?

[tariel]

Looks like he used lower power loadings the second time, since he had to cycle the bolt after each shot.

[The Swede]

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2011/11/07/sheriffs-arrest-jonathan-arthur-ciener-on-fraud-charges/

Seeing how many people has had problems with this idiot i hope he gets a worse punishment.

[944]

From now on we will have a far more draconian regime in W&C. Take note.

Why? Aside from a few trolls it had appeared to me it'd been fairly smooth sailing around here, or am I mistaken??

[5.56 SS109]

Why? Aside from a few trolls it had appeared to me it'd been fairly smooth sailing around here, or am I mistaken??

I am curious about this myself.

[LavaRed]

Yes but it's time to stamp out even the occasional troll. I've been pleasant and a people pleaser far too long. It has gained us nothing. I was the only people-pleaser mod left. It's an obsolete practice.

[5.56 SS109]

Jeez, Winchester White Box has really gone down hill lately.

I went out shooting earlier and it wouldn't group for shit, but PDX-1 and my handloads produced tiny groups out of my USP.

I think I will handload all target ammo from now on.

[LavaRed]

Jeez, Winchester White Box has really gone down hill lately.

I went out shooting earlier and it wouldn't group for shit, but PDX-1 and my handloads produced tiny groups out of my USP.

I think I will handload all target ammo from now on.

Winchester in general has gone to shit. Just recently I acquired 5000 rounds of .22LR, mixed HP and solids, and virtually every box has at least one defectiv round, including empty shell casings, bent or crushed rounds, and of course rounds without primer.

[5.56 SS109]

Winchester in general has gone to shit. Just recently I acquired 5000 rounds of .22LR, mixed HP and solids, and virtually every box has at least one defectiv round, including empty shell casings, bent or crushed rounds, and of course rounds without primer.

Yeah it's all poop.

I can handload 100 115gr JHPs @ 1250-1275 fps for the same price it costs for 100 rounds of Winchester factory FMJ.

Gotta love it when you can target shoot with the same ammo you carry and still save money :D

[LavaRed]

Yeah it's all poop.

I can handload 100 115gr JHPs @ 1250-1275 fps for the same price it costs for 100 rounds of Winchester factory FMJ.

Gotta love it when you can target shoot with the same ammo you carry and still save money :D

:D yup. The Winchester sucks so much I've taken to disassembling the little rounds and using them for experiments in low powered cartridges for indoor shooting, developing a defensive .22 short loading, and other stuff you wouldn't use good ammo for.
Taking .22's apart is fun! :D

[5.56 SS109]

I used to use a small drill bit (1/32 I think) to drill a hole in the side of a .22lr round and dump out maybe half the powder and make el-cheapo CB rounds.

It worked pretty well, especially if I had a small spoon or dipper to determine when the proper amount of powder was removed.

Winchester Bulk 36gr HPs run in my .22 AR kit pretty well though.

[LavaRed]

I used to use a small drill bit (1/32 I think) to drill a hole in the side of a .22lr round and dump out maybe half the powder and make el-cheapo CB rounds.

It worked pretty well, especially if I had a small spoon or dipper to determine when the proper amount of powder was removed.

Winchester Bulk 36gr HPs run in my .22 AR kit pretty well though.

Yup, I made a small measure from a spent shell casing and have been doing exactly that by pulling the rounds from their casings with pliers and gluing them back in.

[Hydroponichronic]

Finally shot an F'n fiveseven (c wut i did thar) and couldn't group for shit with it. Great looking and very light (plus, who doesn't love a 20 rnd flush mag) but the trigger felt awkward, and can't really describe how. Though it was a rental, so for all I know it had fallen into disrepair. Also, the recoil felt on par with a 9mm, which surprised me for a round that small. Maybe because the gun was so light, I don't know. Anyone else have a similar experience?

Also, got to thinking, does anyone make a brace for handguns like they have for high-end slingshots (http://www.supercoolpets.com/pictures/slingshot.jpg)? Obviously impractical for carry use, but for home-defense stuff it might be worthwhile. Alternatively, for stock-less SMGs...

[5.56 SS109]

Finally shot an F'n fiveseven (c wut i did thar) and couldn't group for shit with it. Great looking and very light (plus, who doesn't love a 20 rnd flush mag) but the trigger felt awkward, and can't really describe how. Though it was a rental, so for all I know it had fallen into disrepair. Also, the recoil felt on par with a 9mm, which surprised me for a round that small. Maybe because the gun was so light, I don't know. Anyone else have a similar experience?

Also, got to thinking, does anyone make a brace for handguns like they have for high-end slingshots (http://www.supercoolpets.com/pictures/slingshot.jpg)? Obviously impractical for carry use, but for home-defense stuff it might be worthwhile. Alternatively, for stock-less SMGs...

I think some company made something similar to the slingshot rest back in the early '90s for GLOCKs, but that's about it.

Five-seveNs are lame.

Before all the "cop killer pistol" hysteria they used to cost under $500 and FFLs couldn't give them away.

It does nothing better than a G17 with a +2 basepad (if you really feel the need for a few extra rounds). Plus you can buy Swedish 9mm AP on Gunbroker for like $1.80 a round if you also feel you need to blow through Kevlar.

[5.56 SS109]

I am seriously considering an M&P45 fullsize, does anyone have any horror stories about them?

First I was going to go G17 but I am unsure about GLOCK's QC at this time and, while I like the M&P9, I figured I might as well just get a .45 and start loading cast bullets on the cheap.

I would not own a .45 if I had to buy factory ammo.

[reggie_love]

Plus you can buy Swedish 9mm AP on Gunbroker for like $1.80 a round if you also feel you need to blow through Kevlar.

Isn't AP handgun ammo illegal under federal law? Or is that just steel core or something.

[Darkhunter]

Isn't AP handgun ammo illegal under federal law? Or is that just steel core or something.

I think its steel core. Its been awhile since I last looked up federal laws as all I carry is my .357 and i just keep up on that at the moment.

[5.56 SS109]

Isn't AP handgun ammo illegal under federal law? Or is that just steel core or something.

I don't think it is legal to make it or sell it, but old ammo that just happens to pierce armor isn't restricted on a federal level.

[Hydroponichronic]

So, I was reading up on the effectiveness of frangible ammunition and glaser slugs. After an hour on youtube watching people shoot fruit and jugs of koolaid, I began to wonder how much penetration was really necessary to stop someone dead in their tracks. Following a bit of googling, I found some forums discussing actual cases where low-penetration ammo was used. Though most of them were police shootings and self-defense, there was one that stood out:

San Diego, .45 ACP flatnose Glaser

The victim was first shot in the liver by a .22 LR and fled the house. Her attacker followed after rearming with the .45 Auto and fired the first Glaser at a distance of 2 feet. The angle of impact was "directly accross the chest", I don't know what direction this refers to exactly. Penetration was 4 inches from the right side. Sanow claims that whatever direction he was refering to above, the bullet path was "totally insignificant in terms of stopping power". Go figure. Anyway, she stopped running after being hit and then started again. The second Glaser also entered the right side from about 45 degrees from the front on a line that would have gone between the lungs and ended at the left shoulder blade. This shot was a little lower than the first which I think means the first must have impacted somewhere around the armpit. Again this second shot never entered the body cavity but rather curved around the rib cage and came to rest in a fat layer. The victim slowed down and collapsed, Sanow says because of blood loss due to the .22LR in the liver. She was excuted by a third Glaser behind the ear.

http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=336409

:eek:

So who else has come across some fucked up shit in their research?

[Hydroponichronic]

Daily just got the world's fastest ban.

I lol'd

[5.56 SS109]

I was considering getting myself a S&W M&P45 for Christmas, but I have come across some awesome deals on some police trade in pistols that I am seriously considering.

Two places have W. German P226 9mms and they would both be under $500 out the door, there are also a few W. German P228s for sale too and I have wanted a P228 since I was 14 years old, but I am under the impression that the P228 slides were refinished by Bubba so I am not sure how I feel about that :(

Also I have found some very lightly used Beretta 92Gs (decock only) with nightsights and 2 mags for some stupid low price like $380.

Any suggestions on what I should do?

[Hydroponichronic]

P226I fail to see the appeal.

Also I have found some very lightly used Beretta 92Gs (decock only) with nightsights and 2 mags for some stupid low price like $380.

Now this, I could abide by.

[LunarSpider]

testicles

[5.56 SS109]

I fail to see the appeal.

Fullsize 9mm handgun, what's not to love?

Also, it's a German SIG.

I honestly think I'll just end up flipping a coin because I can't really go wrong with either.

[Hydroponichronic]

Fullsize 9mm handgun, what's not to love?The look of it just doesn't appeal to me. The Beretta just seems cooler. I know that's not the most important criterion for a gun, but for a "fun gun" you'd think it'd be somewhat relevant.

Also, it's a German SIG.
The only sig that looks really cool to me is this one:

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/28/products_id/70859

It also comes in 40 and 45, for those so inclined.

[5.56 SS109]

The look of it just doesn't appeal to me. The Beretta just seems cooler. I know that's not the most important criterion for a gun, but for a "fun gun" you'd think it'd be somewhat relevant.


The only sig that looks really cool to me is this one:

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/28/products_id/70859

It also comes in 40 and 45, for those so inclined.

I would not take a SIG P250 for free.

The only polymer SIG worth buying is the Pro 2022.

The ATF ordered some P250s for a trial run to replace whatever they carry now and the guns would not stop jamming.

SIG's response was "The ATF placed too much emphasis on reliability.", what the fuck kind of excuse is that?

Hell, I would take a beat to shit trade in Smith 5906 before any US made SIG pistol.

[Hydroponichronic]

I would not take a SIG P250 for free.

The only polymer SIG worth buying is the Pro 2022.

The ATF ordered some P250s for a trial run to replace whatever they carry now and the guns would not stop jamming.

SIG's response was "The ATF placed too much emphasis on reliability.", what the fuck kind of excuse is that?

Hell, I would take a beat to shit trade in Smith 5906 before any US made SIG pistol.

I just said it looked cool, not that it worked.

:o

[Hydroponichronic]

For those of y'all who don't reddit, this was posted in a thread called "someone needs to brush grandma up on gun safety":

http://i.imgur.com/knZYy.jpg

[5.56 SS109]

:rofl:

I got banned from totse.info because I disagreed with their W&C forum assessment that .22lr is a good self defense caliber.

[Hydroponichronic]

:rofl:

I got banned from totse.info because I disagreed with their W&C forum assessment that .22lr is a good self defense caliber.

Well, it's got long rifle in the name, so it's gotta be powerful.

[Hydroponichronic]

Does anyone know if it's a bad idea to regularly use your slide lock as a slide release? (ie, insert fresh mag and thumb the lock down, rather than pulling the slide back and letting it go forward). I was once told that it puts unnecessary wear on the gun, but never really questioned it. Now, though, I'm wondering.

[5.56 SS109]

Does anyone know if it's a bad idea to regularly use your slide lock as a slide release? (ie, insert fresh mag and thumb the lock down, rather than pulling the slide back and letting it go forward). I was once told that it puts unnecessary wear on the gun, but never really questioned it. Now, though, I'm wondering.

Which pistol?

I don't know about "wear", but some pistols have slide locks only, like GLOCKs. On a GLOCK I run the slide with my hand every single time so I get full compression of the recoil spring and the most forward momentum possible to chamber the round.

USPs, SIGs, and Berettas I use the lever as a slide release.

[Hydroponichronic]

Which pistol?

Say a springfield 1911?

but some pistols have slide locks only, like GLOCKs. USPs, SIGs, and Berettas I use the lever as a slide release.

I never knew there was a difference between slide lock/release. The manual to my newest gun (taurus 24/7) just calls it a slide "catch".

:confused:

[5.56 SS109]

Say a springfield 1911?



I never knew there was a difference between slide lock/release. The manual to my newest gun (taurus 24/7) just calls it a slide "catch".

:confused:


Yeah I am just going by what the manufacturers call it.

GLOCK calls it a slide stop and, frankly. it is too small to hit with my thumbs anyways so I really have no other choice but to run the slide.

On a 1911 I use it as a release. It is stippled on the top of it for a reason.

[Hydroponichronic]

So I thought of something the other day. What if you built a mechanism into a gun so that when the slide/bolt came forward, it pushed the trigger forward past the reset? Key thing being that you would still be pulling the trigger for each shot, but you would never have to let up tension. Seems like if the Gatling triggers were held up as legal, then so would this thing. Although it would probably get banned very quickly.

[The Swede]

And The Swede is back from Stockholm, have i missed anything?

[Hydroponichronic]

Anyone know how thick steel a 45 fmj round will penetrate? If someone was trying to set up an indoor pistol range for private use, would they be served well by a ⅜" (0.95 cm) thick steel plate? Would thinner work?

And The Swede is back from Stockholm, have i missed anything?

Nope. Well, the trolling has gone up some and there's a rager thread over in PEOO, but none of it is interesting or controversial.

[Ph0x]

What kind of steel?

What kind of FMJ?

What distance?

I always use layers of metal and paper or wood to stop bullets.

A hard layer distorts the meplat of the projectile and the soft layer grabs a hold of the flatted meplat, stopping it.

One more hard layer insures that the bullet does not exit.

[Hydroponichronic]

What kind of steel?The cheapest kind.

What kind of FMJ?Winchester white box, 45acp.

What distance?10 yards?

I always use layers of metal and paper or wood to stop bullets. A hard layer distorts the meplat of the projectile and the soft layer grabs a hold of the flatted meplat, stopping it.The design he had in mind was wood in front of steel, such that the steel would soak up most of the things energy (assuming it didn't penetrate) and when the bullet tried to bounce back (ricochet) the wood would soak up the rest

One more hard layer insures that the bullet does not exit.Sure, but costs that much more. Plus, having steel hard enough that the rounds don't penetrate means they plates can be re-used a lot.

[LavaRed]

3/16" armour steel plate is about the minimum I would trust for all lead core pistol rounds up to .357 Magnum.

3/8" armour steel plate will stop even some rifle rounds.

This data is for 5 meters range.

[Hydroponichronic]

So I thought of something the other day. What if you built a mechanism into a gun so that when the slide/bolt came forward, it pushed the trigger forward past the reset? Key thing being that you would still be pulling the trigger for each shot, but you would never have to let up tension. Seems like if the Gatling triggers were held up as legal, then so would this thing. Although it would probably get banned very quickly.

Anyone? Thoughts?

[Hydroponichronic]

I was recently made aware of a used (but in good condition) Dan Wesson .44mag 6" selling for $300. Am I wrong, or is that an absurdly good price?

[ilovechronic]

3/16" armour steel plate is about the minimum I would trust for all lead core pistol rounds up to .357 Magnum.

3/8" armour steel plate will stop even some rifle rounds.

This data is for 5 meters range.

Quarter Inch steel 1/4" vs 9x18, 9x19, 38sp, 45lc, 762x39, 12g 3" mag, 223/5.56 - YouTube

[5.56 SS109]

http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn203/kuraki556/tankapult.jpg


:rofl:

[Hydroponichronic]

http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn203/kuraki556/tankapult.jpg


what i dont even

[944]

Anyone able to give me some suggestions on ambidextrous 9mm pistols, preferably with no safety or one that is easily removed ?

[5.56 SS109]

Anyone able to give me some suggestions on ambidextrous 9mm pistols, preferably with no safety or one that is easily removed ?

Maybe stating the obvious, but an H&K P2000 with either the LEM trigger or V3 decocker.

[ilovechronic]

Anyone able to give me some suggestions on ambidextrous 9mm pistols, preferably with no safety or one that is easily removed ?

XD has an AMBI mag release but not the slide catch.

[Hydroponichronic]

http://i.imgur.com/4AYlT.jpg

[ilovechronic]

http://i.imgur.com/4AYlT.jpg

Granny as finger on trigger. :eek:

[Hydroponichronic]

Granny as finger on trigger. :eek:You think that's bad?

http://i.imgur.com/knZYy.jpg

I don't know what it is about old people and gun safety. I think they just stop caring after a while.

[ilovechronic]

You think that's bad?

http://i.imgur.com/knZYy.jpg

I don't know what it is about old people and gun safety. I think they just stop caring after a while.
Not bad, thats how you keep that fucker in line.

[944]

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/kactour/KACTour132.jpg



What the hell is that on the rifle at the top?

[The Swede]

Standard M16-something with a prototype grenade launcher attached, needless to say it never went into serial production other than testing

[LavaRed]

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/kactour/KACTour132.jpg



What the hell is that on the rifle at the top?

Standard M16-something with a prototype grenade launcher attached, needless to say it never went into serial production other than testing

Sorry to correct you my friend, but it's not a prototype anything. It's actually a Brunswick RAW (Rifleman's Anti-Tank Weapon). It's a bunker buster grenade with a very flat trajectory, to be fired from the rifle as a rifle grenade. And it was put into production.

[Hydroponichronic]

Sorry to correct you my friend, but it's not a prototype anything. It's actually a Brunswick RAW (Rifleman's Anti-Tank Weapon). It's a bunker buster grenade with a very flat trajectory, to be fired from the rifle as a rifle grenade. And it was put into production.

And here I was thinking it was a rifle-mounted toilet plunger.

[ilovechronic]

And here I was thinking it was a rifle-mounted toilet plunger.

Taken out of service because soldiers shit in holes most of the time in that era.

[944]

Bit of advice for anyone with a HK......


DON'T FUCK WITH THE TRIGGER RETURN SPRING!!!!!!!!:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:: mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:



I've been trying to get this motherfucker back in for the last two and a half hours :angry::angry::angry::angry::angry:

[Hydroponichronic]

Bit of advice for anyone with a HK......


DON'T FUCK WITH THE TRIGGER RETURN SPRING!!!!!!!!:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:: mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:



I've been trying to get this motherfucker back in for the last two and a half hours :angry::angry::angry::angry::angry:

My condolences. I know the feeling. The slide rail once got dislodged and bent on my shotgun during takedown (it was an 870 knockoff, manufacturer error). Took an hour just to get the thing apart as the bent rail was preventing anything from moving, ended up just forcing it. Then to re-bend the rail, stick it back in place was another hour plus. The joys of firearm ownership.

:hrmph:

[5.56 SS109]

Just came across this picture of the Bushmaster Dissipator used in the North Hollywood Shootout.

It appears as if they converted it to FA themselves, I was always under the impression that it was an Ex-Mexican Military M16.

http://hotimg23.fotki.com/a/76_94/191_83/Bushmaster_detail-vi.jpg

[5.56 SS109]

"I needs a game changer."

http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff98/mailbcw/Har%20har/Will-Hayden-Sons-of-Guns.jpg

http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff98/mailbcw/Har%20har/sons-of-guns-kris-ford-284x212.jpg

http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff98/mailbcw/Har%20har/220px-Crayola-64.jpg

http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff98/mailbcw/awesome.jpg

Game changed!

http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff98/mailbcw/Har%20har/sons_of_guns-show.jpg

:rofl:

[944]

http://googlepixel.com/pictars/gamechanged.jpg

Apparently this is what happens the first time you fire a rifle that they worked on..:rolleyes:

[ilovechronic]

http://googlepixel.com/pictars/gamechanged.jpg

Apparently this is what happens the first time you fire a rifle that they worked on..:rolleyes:

I dont know if it was my TV or what but that .458 socom AR they built the suppressor looked like it was bowed upward.

Anyone else remember where they tried to copy magpuls folding glock machine gun but they used a mini mac10 or 11 instead. Was so fucking stupid.

[944]

I dont know if it was my TV or what but that .458 socom AR they built the suppressor looked like it was bowed upward.

Anyone else remember where they tried to copy magpuls folding glock machine gun but they used a mini mac10 or 11 instead. Was so fucking stupid.

Have you seen the pic of their .308 suppressor taken apart? Looks like it's made out of fucking freeze plugs

[5.56 SS109]

Have you seen the pic of their .308 suppressor taken apart? Looks like it's made out of fucking freeze plugs

I know :facepalm:

[Hydroponichronic]

"I needs a game changer."

http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff98/mailbcw/Har%20har/Will-Hayden-Sons-of-Guns.jpg

http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff98/mailbcw/Har%20har/sons-of-guns-kris-ford-284x212.jpg

http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff98/mailbcw/Har%20har/220px-Crayola-64.jpg

http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff98/mailbcw/awesome.jpg

Game changed!

http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff98/mailbcw/Har%20har/sons_of_guns-show.jpg

:rofl:
I don't follow.

:confused:

[5.56 SS109]

I don't follow.

:confused:

Did you see the last two episodes of this season?

Will (fat dirty looking guy) gave Chris (stupid skinny guy who fucks everything up) the task of making "The best AR15 in the world." and Chris made this crudely drawn diagram of an AR15 and all of its internal functions. However he really doesn't understand how they function and Red Jacket's "best AR in the world" ended up being nothing but a Frankengun assembled from mid-grade components with a low quality (and gimmicky) retrofit piston kit.

Red Jacket basically does things that have already been done 30 years prior and claims that they invented some form of "Game Changer" in the firearm community.

[ilovechronic]

Did you see the last two episodes of this season?

Will (fat dirty looking guy) gave Chris (stupid skinny guy who fucks everything up) the task of making "The best AR15 in the world." and Chris made this crudely drawn diagram of an AR15 and all of its internal functions. However he really doesn't understand how they function and Red Jacket's "best AR in the world" ended up being nothing but a Frankengun assembled from mid-grade components with a low quality (and gimmicky) retrofit piston kit.

Red Jacket basically does things that have already been done 30 years prior and claims that they invented some form of "Game Changer" in the firearm community.

Dude I saw their parts room on one episode and it mostly "utg" brand parts.

[Hydroponichronic]

Did you see the last two episodes of this season?

I only ever watch clips of it on youtube. The characters make me rage a bit.

[The Swede]

Sons of Guns is the worst show since Whale Wars and Future Weapons, and that says something.

[Hydroponichronic]

Sons of Guns is the worst show since Whale Wars and Future Weapons, and that says something.

Overdramatic (batman-voice) announcer aside, futureweapons was not so bad.

[Duke Zion]

http://i.imgur.com/M0jIL.jpg

[The Swede]

Overdramatic (batman-voice) announcer aside, futureweapons was not so bad.

True, it was mostly the script and that fucking "uberleet navy seal motherfucker" that ruined it.

[5.56 SS109]

Overdramatic (batman-voice) announcer aside, futureweapons was not so bad.

Triggers is a pretty cool show.

The host seems like a cool dude and his previous show Special Ops Mission was pretty good too.

[Hydroponichronic]

Out of curiosity, why is gas-operation not more common for handguns? I would think that with a gas system you could cut the weight/thickness of the slide down substantially, which is a big plus for compact guns.

[944]

Out of curiosity, why is gas-operation not more common for handguns? I would think that with a gas system you could cut the weight/thickness of the slide down substantially, which is a big plus for compact guns.

They get very hot

[Hydroponichronic]

They get very hot

See, this strikes me as a simple materials issue, though. Last shot show, quite a few folks figured out how to put in ceramic heat shields in polymer-frame ARs to make the weight next to nothing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beretta_ARX_160). Methinks the same could be done with handguns. Plus, ARs are designed for full-auto fire with 30 round mags. For a compact, you're talking 6-8 shots. Maybe 12-16 if a reload is necessary, but methinks if your problem isn't gone by the time you have to reload, you're out of luck anyhow.

[944]

See, this strikes me as a simple materials issue, though. Last shot show, quite a few folks figured out how to put in ceramic heat shields in polymer-frame ARs to make the weight next to nothing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beretta_ARX_160). Methinks the same could be done with handguns. Plus, ARs are designed for full-auto fire with 30 round mags. For a compact, you're talking 6-8 shots. Maybe 12-16 if a reload is necessary, but methinks if your problem isn't gone by the time you have to reload, you're out of luck anyhow.

Yeah, well......


The HK P7 is one the the best handgun designs ever created, and is gas delayed blow back.......But people just don't want them enough for them to still be in production

[Hydroponichronic]

Triggers is a pretty cool show.

The host seems like a cool dude and his previous show Special Ops Mission was pretty good too.Never seen either. What network are the on?


The HK P7 is one the the best handgun designs ever created, and is gas delayed blow back.......But people just don't want them enough for them to still be in production

And aint it a cryin shame. Someone just needs to steal the design, update it with all the bells and whistles that make today's gun owners hard (p-frame, ambi controls, loaded chamber indicator, etc). That thing would sell like hot-cakes.

[944]

And aint it a cryin shame. Someone just needs to steal the design, update it with all the bells and whistles that make today's gun owners hard (p-frame, ambi controls, loaded chamber indicator, etc). That thing would sell like hot-cakes.

The P7 has no controls to be ambidextrous:hrmph:

[Hydroponichronic]

The P7 has no controls to be ambidextrous:hrmph:

What I'm saying is to give it some. Standard-location mag release (or hk-style under-trigger bar), safety/decocker, slide release, and a takedown pin/lever. Also, junk the hand-cocking system. In other words, take the gas system, and build a 21st century gun around it. Also, add a rail for accessories. Bells and whistles, my friend, bells and whistles.

[944]

What I'm saying is to give it some. Standard-location mag release (or hk-style under-trigger bar), safety/decocker, slide release, and a takedown pin/lever. Also, junk the hand-cocking system. In other words, take the gas system, and build a 21st century gun around it.

:facepalm:

So you want to ditch everything that made the P7 as great as it is?

And just keep the gas piston system that makes it burn your hand after 100-150 rounds at the range

[Hydroponichronic]

:facepalm:

So you want to ditch everything that made the P7 as great as it is?
I would argue that what made it so great is the reliability and design of its action, not the lack of features.

And just keep the gas piston system that makes it burn your hand after 100-150 rounds at the range
Again, with modern ceramics, this would also be a thing of the past.

[944]

I would argue that what made it so great is the reliability and design of its action, not the lack of features.


Again, with modern ceramics, this would also be a thing of the past.

I would argue that you've probably never spent time with the P7 platform, and do not have a real working knowledge of how the firearm works.

If anything the gas system is the P7's single fault. Very few know how to correctly clean it, it's a large part of why they were expensive, they do wear out, you are restricted to a specific weight bullet or you'll over cycle the weapon eventually causing damage...



And that's still forgetting that some of the changes you mentioned would make the P7's gas piston system require changes to the point that it couldn't even be said the the system wa based of the P7

[Hydroponichronic]

I would argue that you've probably never spent time with the P7 platform, and do not have a real working knowledge of how the firearm works.

If anything the gas system is the P7's single fault. Very few know how to correctly clean it, it's a large part of why they were expensive, they do wear out, you are restricted to a specific weight bullet or you'll over cycle the weapon eventually causing damage...



And that's still forgetting that some of the changes you mentioned would make the P7's gas piston system require changes to the point that it couldn't even be said the the system wa based of the P7

Ok, I'll admit defeat. What I know of the p7 is based on what I've read, not actual handling of the firearm.

[Hydroponichronic]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/01/kevin-brennan-nypd-officer-shot-in-face-in-brooklyn_n_1246694.html

Anyone know what kind of gun/caliber the perp was using? Whatever it is, I think we can conclusively rule it out as a self-defense weapon.

[Gun Lover]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/01/kevin-brennan-nypd-officer-shot-in-face-in-brooklyn_n_1246694.html

Anyone know what kind of gun/caliber the perp was using? Whatever it is, I think we can conclusively rule it out as a self-defense weapon.

In all likelihood it was a .22lr, .25ACP, or .32 ACP.

All the hood nigs carry small, cheap jam-o-matics like that if they can't afford a High Point or steal a GLOCK.

[Hydroponichronic]

can't afford a High Point
http://dash.ponychan.net/chan/files/src/132572530628.jpg

[944]

DUUUUDE, I'm so glad I decided to go with a M70ab2


For those that don't know M70's use RPK (soviet high-cap sniper rifles) parts AND they have a gas shut off!!!!!!!11!1!!!111!

Now according to some guys on this forum I go on, I think my soviet high-cap short barrel underfolding sniper rifle should let me pick off some zombies from 3000yards away with 1/64 moa accuracy :lsd::lsd::lsd:

[The Swede]

My Barret .50cal is awesome, i saw it in Shooter with Matt Damon.

[Darkhunter]

My Barret .50cal is awesome, i saw it in Shooter with Matt Damon.

Lol wut? You mean Mark Wahlberg.

[The Swede]

Lol wut? You mean Mark Wahlberg.

Fail.

[Darkhunter]

Fail.

I agree you fail: Mark Wahlberg was in Shooter, Matt Damon was not.

[Rolf]

Darkhunter failed, failed Darkhunter.

[Darkhunter]

Darkhunter failed, failed Darkhunter.

How so Mr. Beagle?

[944]

I agree you fail: Mark Wahlberg was in Shooter, Matt Damon was not.

:facepalm:


That just went right over your head didn't it?

[Darkhunter]

:facepalm:


That just went right over your head didn't it?

Apparently so

[944]

Apparently so

It being wrong was the point

[Darkhunter]

It being wrong was the point

:hypnohai:

[The Swede]

I was fucking around, the plot dosen't really revolve around the .50 that's why i mentioned it too, the CheyTac is more awesome apparently.

[Hydroponichronic]

:facepalm:


That just went right over your head didn't it?

I don't follow either.

[944]

I was fucking around, the plot dosen't really revolve around the .50 that's why i mentioned it too, the CheyTac is more awesome apparently.

.408 is the more obscure round so it must be be more awesome

[ilovechronic]

DUUUUDE, I'm so glad I decided to go with a M70ab2


For those that don't know M70's use RPK (soviet high-cap sniper rifles) parts AND they have a gas shut off!!!!!!!11!1!!!111!

Now according to some guys on this forum I go on, I think my soviet high-cap short barrel underfolding sniper rifle should let me pick off some zombies from 3000yards away with 1/64 moa accuracy :lsd::lsd::lsd:

Haha i thought you were serious about the rpk being a sniper rifle for a second there.

[LavaRed]

You guys don't know shit. I have this totally awesome MP40 Tactical that can fire armour-piercing, heat-seeking bullets at 3000 RPM with 100% accuracy at ranges of up to 4 kilometers, just like in the Hitman movie! And if that's not enough, it can fire heat-seeking, vest-piercing bayonets too!

Oh, and micro-silencer comes standard, just like the Micro UZIs in Lord of War: "You can pump a mag into ME, and not wake up the guy in the next room! Of course that would prevent repeat business".

http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q220/LavaRed/DSC01130.jpg

http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q220/LavaRed/DSC01131.jpg

http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q220/LavaRed/DSC01127.jpg

http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q220/LavaRed/DSC01129.jpg

[Hydroponichronic]

lol u srs bro?

[mizled]

..now that's a game changer..

[LavaRed]

lol u srs bro?

..now that's a game changer..

:grinblunt:

[tuer502gt]

You guys don't know shit. I have this totally awesome MP40 Tactical that can fire armour-piercing, heat-seeking bullets at 3000 RPM with 100% accuracy at ranges of up to 4 kilometers, just like in the Hitman movie! And if that's not enough, it can fire heat-seeking, vest-piercing bayonets too!

Oh, and micro-silencer comes standard, just like the Micro UZIs in Lord of War: "You can pump a mag into ME, and not wake up the guy in the next room! Of course that would prevent repeat business".

http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q220/LavaRed/DSC01130.jpg

http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q220/LavaRed/DSC01131.jpg

http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q220/LavaRed/DSC01127.jpg

http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q220/LavaRed/DSC01129.jpg

That is an abomination in the eyes of God. That shit should be illegal again.

[LavaRed]

That is an abomination in the eyes of God. That shit should be illegal again.

What do you mean?

[5.56 SS109]

Who cares what he means?

He's a troll and will be banned really soon.

Plus I am pretty sure he is an alt, as well.

[Hydroponichronic]

http://operatorchan.org/k/arch/src/k252588_hi-point%20carbine.jpg
I came.

Actually, upon more research I found that the suppressor was actually just a barrel shroud. Still pretty neat, though.

[tuer502gt]

Who cares what he means?

He's a troll and will be banned really soon.

Plus I am pretty sure he is an alt, as well.

Just like you're sure locking the bolt does not have a huge impact on precision shooting?

Just like how you have so much knowledge on Navy SEALs?

Just like how you know about the 416 not having an adjustable gas system? Just like how you know having an adjustable gas system would be stupid on a military rifle?

I'm not trolling or an alt. This is my full time account.

Go. Fuck. Yourself.

Is that the reaction you wanted?

[944]

Just like you're sure locking the bolt does not have a huge impact on precision shooting? I'm going to assume you're talking about a non-semi firearm and not a open bolt....Yeah semi's are every bit as accurate as any bolt action (not counting some of the special made bench rest guns that are fired out of a vice)

Just like how you have so much knowledge on Navy SEALs?

Just like how you know about the 416 not having an adjustable gas system? Just like how you know having an adjustable gas system would be stupid on a military rifle? I'm pretty sure that the swede's post made it pretty clear that it is a dumb idea. AND the adjustable gas block on some countries 416's are a special order deal, they're not on the average 416

I'm not trolling or an alt. This is my full time account.

Go. Fuck. Yourself.

Is that the reaction you wanted?


Just saying...

[LavaRed]

Just saying...

Adjustable gas systems are a nice feature to have to be able to regulate recoil and rate of fire, but they are too finicky for a military rifle in my opinion. For example, on the FAL's adjustable gas system, if you turn the setting knob from auto to grenade the wrong way around, it shoots out, together with the piston and spring, inmediately rendering your rifle a straight-pull bolt action.

[tuer502gt]

For precision shooting locking the bolt makes a huge difference when using precision ammunition. The velocity loss is not uniform when using a cyclic bolt.

Do you understand precision shooting? I don't. Ever seen someone do a one armed hand press? I haven't.

[944]

For precision shooting locking the bolt makes a huge difference when using precision ammunition. The velocity loss is not uniform when using a cyclic bolt.

Do you understand precision shooting? I don't. Ever seen someone do a one armed hand press? I haven't.

Maybe you should stop talking about something you do not understand??:s If you cannot understand that there are TONS of sub MOA AR15/AR10's, M1's, FNAR's, R25's..... The list goes on and on (just for reference, all those rifles are more accurate than the m40's that the marine corp issues, they're roughly 1moa rifles). A .5moa rifle is a .5moa rifle, it doesn't matter how the bolt cycles

[tuer502gt]

You also don't understand precision shooting.

Ever played the kids game mousetrap? We aren't talking MOA here. It's physics.

[tuer502gt]

You still take the shot at your own discretion or you'll lose the war.

[Darkhunter]

Ever played the kids game mousetrap?

That shit was an art. It was about patience and waiting for your opponent to give you the opening you needed, quite like a fight.

[Hydroponichronic]

Out of curiosity, how much (if anything) do you think folks would pay for something like this (http://www.atf.gov/press/releases/2006/05/050406-openletter-nfa-flare-inserts.html) in 9mm with a rifled barrel (one that didn't explode the flare gun, though)? Also, if it had a rifled barrel, it would not qualify as an AOW, would it?

[Gun Lover]

Out of curiosity, how much (if anything) do you think folks would pay for something like this (http://www.atf.gov/press/releases/2006/05/050406-openletter-nfa-flare-inserts.html) in 9mm with a rifled barrel (one that didn't explode the flare gun, though)?
Maybe it could sell, but you've already stated your biggest obstacle, methinks:
Also, if it had a rifled barrel, it would not qualify as an AOW, would it?

IIRC rifling does make it into an AOW. The official definition is buried somewhere in the National Firearms Act, I think.

[Hydroponichronic]

IIRC rifling does make it into an AOW. The official definition is buried somewhere in the National Firearms Act, I think.

The wikipedia says smoothebore pistols are AOW, but other pistols are fine. That's what I thought was odd.

[tuer502gt]

You cannot trust wiki.

Ring/phone/call a gun shop/store.

[Hydroponichronic]

Want higher capacity in a CC piece? (http://i.imgur.com/Wz3oM.gif)

[The Swede]

Hey Hector, what's up? Haven't seen you on msn for a while.

In other news:
J29 Tunnan in Gula Divisionen - YouTube
4:24 into the clip. Nom-nom-nom

[Hydroponichronic]

Easily the ugliest jet planes I've ever seen.

[944]

Which one of you mods switched my user title, and what the fuck is it supposed to mean?

[944]

And now it's switched back...... :hrmph:

[Hydroponichronic]

And now it's switched back...... :hrmph:

What did it say? Based on your postcount it was probably 1764...? There are a bunch of easter eggs (http://www.zoklet.net/bbs/showthread.php?t=171492) built into the user title system.

[944]

What did it say? Based on your postcount it was probably 1764...? There are a bunch of easter eggs (http://www.zoklet.net/bbs/showthread.php?t=171492) built into the user title system.

Yup, that was it

[Hydroponichronic]

I don't suppose anyone can comment on the legality of buying a fully-auto rifle abroad, jury-rigging it to semi-auto only, and then taking it back to the states? Is there any established protocol for this?

[Infrared]

They kind of have that covered by the "DeWAT" (Deactivated WAr Trophy) legislation...They make damn sure the gun is non-functioning by requiring you to do things like weld the receiver shut and/or spike the barrel and weld it shut, and other horrible things. I know you don't necessarily mean a war trophy, but the protocol is likely the same for a collector gun or similar. I might be wrong, though. But I know you couldn't just, say, remove the fire control group and kiester it through customs or anything. :D

[Infrared]

That, and a lot of semi-auto rifles (let alone full-autos) are already hard or impossible to import...

[mizled]

An ATF demilled receiver (http://www.ima-usa.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/small_image/265x265/b6cef2188d4eb103760549d3dce283bd/m/i/mi2004-6.jpg) is a very sad sight.

[5.56 SS109]

I don't suppose anyone can comment on the legality of buying a fully-auto rifle abroad, jury-rigging it to semi-auto only, and then taking it back to the states? Is there any established protocol for this?

Can't be done. The ATF's rule is "once a machine gun, always a machine gun."

[Infrared]

An ATF demilled receiver (http://www.ima-usa.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/small_image/265x265/b6cef2188d4eb103760549d3dce283bd/m/i/mi2004-6.jpg) is a very sad sight.

http://www.cheaperthandirtguns.com/WX114-1.html

Yep...

[Hydroponichronic]

Can't be done. The ATF's rule is "once a machine gun, always a machine gun."

Well that's stupid.

:hrmph:

Fuckin BATFE, won't let me have any fun. I mean come on, who put one bureau in charge of alcohol, tobacco, firearms, and explosives? If they were in charge of porn too they would have a monopoly on all the awesome things in America.

[L33tz]

Can't be done. The ATF's rule is "once a machine gun, always a machine gun."

once a shoelace, always a shoelace

[Infrared]

LOL....I wish I had the kind of money that dude has...The kind of money and time required to get a fucking SHOELACE registered as a machine gun and all, just to make the BATF look stupid. Heheh, kudos to that guy, whoever he is...

If any of you are going "what the fuck?!" Right now...google "shoestring machine gun"...lmao..

Hmm, I wonder if that trick will work on lots of different semiautos or just a few?

[Hydroponichronic]

I used to be worried about a chinese invasion. Now, though, I'm not so sure:

Crazy Chinese Military Drill - YouTube

[roasted]

We dont have to worry about fighting the chinese. They may have lots of people, but their weaponry is vastly inferior to the US. They are still using second-hand cold war shit from Russia. They cant even manufacture their own jet engines. We would crush them, nuke them if necessary...

[roasted]

Also that movie is fake...

[jheit8]

We dont have to worry about fighting the chinese. They may have lots of people, but their weaponry is vastly inferior to the US. They are still using second-hand cold war shit from Russia. They cant even manufacture their own jet engines. We would crush them, nuke them if necessary...

Oh really?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Chinese_aircraft_engines

[roasted]

Oh really?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Chinese_aircraft_engines

military engines. They still buy all of the fighter engines from Russia....fag

[roasted]

Pretty much all of their weaponry is a knock off of Russia shit from the 70s and 80s. I'm not too worried about it. Their "new" stealth plane isnt even comparable to the F117, which is 30 years old. As a general rule, china is 25-30 years behind everything the US does.

[Rolf]

We dont have to worry about fighting the chinese. They may have lots of people, but their weaponry is vastly inferior to the US. They are still using second-hand cold war shit from Russia. They cant even manufacture their own jet engines. We would crush them, nuke them if necessary...

The first mistake is to underestimate the enemy, the second mistake was to gravely underestimate the enemy, proclaims Rolf.

[Hydroponichronic]

Also that movie is fake...

Source?

[5.56 SS109]

Bought some reloading shit today.

FINALLY found Ramshot TAC powder in stock and am going to try to clone Hornady 75gr TAP.

Also, I got tired of the powder puff velocities Hodgdon HP-38 was giving me in 9mm. So I bought some Alliant Power Pistol and some 124gr XTPs. Will report charge weights and velocities (if my chrono is being tarded). Again, the goal is to clone Hornady TAP with the pistol loadings.

I might also do some ghetto ballistics tests with wet newspaper or something.

[5.56 SS109]

No chrono data yet but 6.0 gr of Power Pistol under a 124gr XTP is pretty damn hot.

No pressure signs though, but there is one hell of a bright white muzzle flash.

It is also the most accurate 9mm load I have ever shot out of my USP.

Pretty happy with the results.

[Hydroponichronic]

No chrono data yet but 6.0 gr of Power Pistol under a 124gr XTP is pretty damn hot.

No pressure signs though, but there is one hell of a bright white muzzle flash.

It is also the most accurate 9mm load I have ever shot out of my USP.

Pretty happy with the results.

I'll be curious to see what you can get on the chrono. Any gut estimates? Otherwise, keep us posted.

[5.56 SS109]

I'll be curious to see what you can get on the chrono. Any gut estimates? Otherwise, keep us posted.

Hornady has their max of 5.7gr rated to give 1100 from a S&W Model 39, so I would assume I am getting close to 1150 with my charge of 6.0gr.

Hornady always publishes watered down data, Alliant lists their max charge at 6.4gr with a 124gr bullet.

I don't need it that fast as I am sure my goal of cloning 124gr TAP (1110fps) has already been met.

Regardless the fact that this load is insanely accurate means more to me than a few extra fps.

[tuer502gt]

World war three would be over very quickly.

On one side you would have Russia, China, India, various shitbox Asian, African, South American and Middle Eastern countries as well as various terrorist factions and transnational organised crime groups vs the rest of the world.

Asia would get owned by Taiwan, Japan, South Korea and American assets.

Europe would get owned by NATO.

South America would get owned by South American US allies.

Various special forces groups would form death squads and destroy all the terrorist and hostile organised crime groups all over the world, as well as their sympathisers, and it would all be over in less that six months.

And China would be totally fucking destroyed.