W&C Random Thread

[tuer502gt]

Oh and Israel would romper stomp anything hostile in the MEAO all by themselves.

Again and again and again.

[roasted]

Oh and Israel would romper stomp anything hostile in the MEAO all by themselves.

Again and again and again.

Are you back from vacation? I thought you were banned

[tuer502gt]

Yeah I keep getting banned but so far temp bans.

[roasted]

what'd you get banned for last time?

[tuer502gt]

I'm not sure. The infraction says for thread bumping and doing it continuously, but I did it twice only.

There's probably another reason.

I wouldn't worry about it. It will resolve itself in good time.

[5.56 SS109]

Busy busy busy...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v467/Hydrashock/totse/TAPclone.jpg

Need to get to a real range with at least 100 yards to confirm my zero, but I am near certain I have found a new go-to loading.

Cycles good and has zero muzzle flash and costs about 1/4 of what it would for me to buy the factory equivalent.

:thumbsup:

[Yurpen]

Rename this thread to Americans Only.

[LavaRed]

Rename this thread to Americans Only.

Gee, why? I'm Guatemalan and I post here from time to time.

[Hydroponichronic]

Gee, why? I'm Guatemalan and I post here from time to time.

That and someone else here is sweedish, iirc.

[The Swede]

That and someone else here is sweedish, iirc.

Swedish* ; D

[Hydroponichronic]

Swedish* ; D

That too.

[Hydroponichronic]

Probably a stupid set of questions, but one I've never given much though to. Would tracer rounds keep burning if they impacted an organic target? If so, would this cause any major tissue damage? Would the caliber or manufacturer of the tracer matter?

[reggie_love]

Well, aren't tracers some kind of phosphorous compound? I think they do burn in the target.

They're banned in certain jurisdictions because of their potential for a wildfire hazard, so I don't see why they couldn't keep burning in a living target, except that oxygen may be too limited.

[jheit8]

Probably a stupid set of questions, but one I've never given much though to. Would tracer rounds keep burning if they impacted an organic target? If so, would this cause any major tissue damage? Would the caliber or manufacturer of the tracer matter?

Tracers have relatively little phosphorous in them, so I doubt that a modern tracer round is going to be as much of a fire hazard as a "fucking bullet wound" hazard. Tracers only burn at the base, also.

[Hydroponichronic]

They're banned in certain jurisdictions because of their potential for a wildfire hazard, so I don't see why they couldn't keep burning in a living target, except that oxygen may be too limited.
Yea, I'm not sure if tracers have an oxidizer present in their formulation.

Tracers have relatively little phosphorous in them,I imagine a little phosphorous goes along way inside of a soft target. The stuff is pretty toxic, IIRC.

I doubt that a modern tracer round is going to be as much of a fire hazard as a "fucking bullet wound" hazard. For high-powered rounds, sure. But for smaller rounds (22lr) the "fucking bullet wound" isn't so bad.

Tracers only burn at the base, also.The bullet would likely tumble on impact, so it shouldn't be a problem.

[Spence_tron]

Bullets get pretty hot anyways because of the friction with air caused by both the velocity and rpm of the projectile. I've heard that the heat generated by the bullet actually works against its wounding potential, by slightly cauterizing the area around the wound, slowing blood loss. I'd imagine the effect would be negligible anyways (even with tracers), especially if using fragmenting/expanding bullets.

Speaking of tracer rounds, apparently 5.56 tracers (XM856) aren't manufactured with the steel penetrators that M855 has... But then why are my XM856 rounds attracting to magnets at the tip of the bullet??

[Hydroponichronic]

Speaking of tracer rounds, apparently 5.56 tracers (XM856) aren't manufactured with the steel penetrators that M855 has... But then why are my XM856 rounds attracting to magnets at the tip of the bullet??

Good question. I'd be curious to find out.

[Hydroponichronic]

So what is the deal with ATF "rulings"? The atf "ruled" that a flare-gun insert is an AOW (http://www.atf.gov/press/releases/2006/05/050406-openletter-nfa-flare-inserts.html). However, that is not at all reflected by the actual NFA. Can the ATF just say something is an AOW and have it be law?

[5.56 SS109]

So what is the deal with ATF "rulings"? The atf "ruled" that a flare-gun insert is an AOW (http://www.atf.gov/press/releases/2006/05/050406-openletter-nfa-flare-inserts.html). However, that is not at all reflected by the actual NFA. Can the ATF just say something is an AOW and have it be law?

ATF interpretation does not equal law.

[Hydroponichronic]

ATF interpretation does not equal law.

So, they were basically bullshitting then?

Fuckin government...

[Hydroponichronic]

Prototype Quadrotor with Machine Gun! - YouTube

Imma be honest, my pants were sticky after watching that one.

[Hydroponichronic]

Bad firearm safety to be sure, but still a cool story:

http://1loop.com/g3kmc

[jheit8]

Bad firearm safety to be sure, but still a cool story:

http://1loop.com/g3kmc
Sometimes reality cheats.

[HMC]

"I've heard that the heat generated by the bullet actually works against its wounding potential, by slightly cauterizing the area around the wound"

This is false, at least with any caliber you can buy at WalMart. Ballistic gelatin would be much more sensitive to heat than human flesh, and I have never seen any sign of melted gelatin in any of the testing I have done. And for what its worth the stuff melts at less than 150 degress F.

Also, I am not sure if the tracer rounds have their own oxidizer, but I remember watching the bullet and tracer components separate after shooting hard targets at night. Im sure the stuff would still burn during penetration, but with a 5.56mm it wouldnt matter as mentioned above.

[Spence_tron]

"I've heard that the heat generated by the bullet actually works against its wounding potential, by slightly cauterizing the area around the wound"

This is false, at least with any caliber you can buy at WalMart. Ballistic gelatin would be much more sensitive to heat than human flesh, and I have never seen any sign of melted gelatin in any of the testing I have done. And for what its worth the stuff melts at less than 150 degress F.

Also, I am not sure if the tracer rounds have their own oxidizer, but I remember watching the bullet and tracer components separate after shooting hard targets at night. Im sure the stuff would still burn during penetration, but with a 5.56mm it wouldnt matter as mentioned above.

Good to know! I figured that the heat of bullets dissipates pretty quickly anyways, that was just what I heard from someone (a medic in the military) who was pretty reputable (apparently not 100% reputable).

[Hydroponichronic]

http://i.imgur.com/Trgub.gif

Who says recoil is a bad thing?

[reggie_love]

http://i.imgur.com/Trgub.gif

Who says recoil is a bad thing?

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/002/252/me-gusta.jpg?1310883034

[Hydroponichronic]

Ladies and gentlemen, concealed carry at its finest:

http://i.imgur.com/hv3s8.jpg

(PS, for those who haven't picked up on it, I shamelessly repost from reddit)

[5.56 SS109]

+P+ ain't no fucking joke.

Should of stood a few more feet back to avoid the shower, but I am not use to 9mm doing that to water jugs.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v467/Hydrashock/Untitled.jpg

Federal 9BPLE (115gr +P+ Hi-Shok JHP) into water jugs.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v467/Hydrashock/totse/IMG_0186.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v467/Hydrashock/totse/IMG_0187.jpg

Not sure how the pictures got flipped, but you get idea.

Diameter was .625".

Not bad for $15 per 50, I'd take it over Corbon's plain vanilla JHPs anyday.

[5.56 SS109]

Finally collected enough jugs to test my "go to" 9x19 handload. I use 6.0 grains of Alliant Power Pistol behind a 124gr Hornady XTP, never got to chrono it yet but based on the books it should be just under 1200 fps.

This was fired out of my 92G.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v467/Hydrashock/totse/IMG_0260.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v467/Hydrashock/totse/IMG_0258.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v467/Hydrashock/totse/IMG_0259.jpg


Didn't bother to weigh it, but it looks complete so I'll say it is at least 120grs but I'll bet it lost nothing.

Diameter was .605"

[Hydroponichronic]

Good expansion. Seems like an odd spot for a playstation, though.

[5.56 SS109]

Haha yeah I could see what you mean because of the angle.

That is actually the shelf under a TV stand though.

[Hydroponichronic]

AK47 Spetsnaz Pushups - 2 - YouTube

Lets see your P-Mag do THAT!

[Hydroponichronic]

Out of curiosity, is there an equation for muzzle velocity (given identical loadings) between different weights of bullets? I was thinking about the AK-47, and one of the complaints it gets is poor energy dispersion in soft targets. If one just loaded it with much lighter bullets (different metal?) could one get sufficient velocities to see the desired effects?

[Ph0x]

You can load x39 with 125 grain vmax .308'' bullet but accuracy will suffer.

[Hydroponichronic]

You can load x39 with 125 grain vmax .308'' bullet but accuracy will suffer.

Why will the accuracy suffer? Sorry if that's a dumb question; I'm not the most knowledgeable when it comes to internal ballistics. Also, why will you get more velocity with a 125 grain bullet when a 123 grain is standard in 7.62x39?

[5.56 SS109]

7.62x39 is typically about .311" in diameter, using .308 projectiles won't allow the bullet to fully contact the rifling.

[Hydroponichronic]

7.62x39 is typically about .311" in diameter, using .308 projectiles won't allow the bullet to fully contact the rifling.

The tolerances are that tight that three thousandths of an inch will make a difference? Wow.

That said, I'm still hoping for some answers:
Out of curiosity, is there an equation for muzzle velocity (given identical loadings) between different weights of bullets? I was thinking about the AK-47, and one of the complaints it gets is poor energy dispersion in soft targets. If one just loaded it with much lighter bullets (different metal?) could one get sufficient velocities to see the desired effects?

[Spence_tron]

^ I'm pretty sure that you would have to know (or at least estimate) the momentum of the lighter bullet to calculate it's velocity.

http://www.1728.org/energy.htm


There may also be formula's to find momentum (muzzle energy) given identical powder loads but with differing mass/velocity projectiles, if you want a more accurate calculation than just estimating its muzzle energy.

[5.56 SS109]

Oh yeah, sorry.

The issue is that most 7.62x39 bullets have mild steel in their jackets, so they don't fragment easily.

You are correct about different metal in the jacket making a difference.

Here is a factory loaded 7.62x39 using a Hornady VMAX bullet into gel:

http://www.hornadyle.com/products/more_detail83c3.html?id=72&sID=148&pID=1

So, bottom line, it all has to do with the jacket material.

Yugo M67 surplus was great because it was a typical copper jacket over a lead core, so it fragmented much like M193 55gr FMJ out of a 5.56 NATO.

[Hydroponichronic]

If ever a post was on topic in this thread:

It turns out, if you empty out some 12 gauge target loads, and refill them with a .625" marble (http://www.photoblogster.com/images/20060211182945_marbles.jpg), they are inaccurate as fuck. Maybe a 3 foot group at 25 yards. In case anyone was wondering, my thought was that marbles are about the right size to fit inside the shot cup (wad), are $1 for 50, and would save me from casting my own slugs. Basically a way to do cheap target shooting with a shotgun.

[Hydroponichronic]

Heck, as long as I'm running back-to-back posts in this thread, one more question: what role does cartridge volume play in the burning of the powder? Never thought about it, but with modern powders there isn't any need to fill the entire case to get the desired pressures. So why not make newer cartridges with smaller dimensions for higher mag capacity/lower cost? I mean, I get the impression that you could get 308 ballistics out of an AK if you just filled the case to the top. Though you might have to mod the gas system.

[5.56 SS109]

This is how they make M&P40s:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v467/Hydrashock/495336d4.jpg

[tuer502gt]

Why will the accuracy suffer? Sorry if that's a dumb question; I'm not the most knowledgeable when it comes to internal ballistics. Also, why will you get more velocity with a 125 grain bullet when a 123 grain is standard in 7.62x39?

You'd think the heat would be able to make that tiny bit of expansion to make it snug in the barrel.

A long, long time ago, I remember talking to a handloader about reloading .303 and he said something about them being closer to .31 in diameter rather than .30 in diameter. I can't remember the specifics though. But he reckons there was some issue. He could easily have been blowing shit out of his arse though.

[RadicalApex]

This is how they make M&P40s:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v467/Hydrashock/495336d4.jpg

Haha. Indeed. How ironic is it that my favorite three pistol I own are the M&P 40c, the USP 40T, and the Mark 23 I got a bit back. I guess we all know what style pistols I like. :thumbsup:

[Hydroponichronic]

I had a thought the other day. The 22lr is a dirt cheap cartridge, but lacking in some of that kick n boom that makes shooting so fun. So, what if a gun could be designed to fire 2+ rounds at the same time? The first thing that comes to mind is that this could be construed to fall under the definition of a machine-gun. I thought this could be skirted with something like 2+ triggers so close together they could be pulled at the same time. Alternatively, some cheap (reusable) aluminum "shells" could be made to hold the multiple rounds together (as one "round") to have the resulting firearm count as some kind of bizarre, multi-barrel shotgun. If the "shells" approach could be used, then it would also be easier to feed them from mags, since there wouldn't be a protruding rim.

Alternatively, since this clearly isn't the type of gun the NFA was passed to restrict, the ATF might just approve it if they were asked.

Any thoughts?

[Spence_tron]

I'm almost certain that it would be classified as a fully-automatic firearm, firing multiple shots from a single trigger pull.

Regardless, I immediately thought of David Dardick's trounds (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tround), and how a .22 adaptation of the "project salvo" or "terra-drill" trounds would be perfect for this. They could be fed from a three barreled magazine fed "rifle" with a Dardick style rotary cylinder to align the tround to the barrels.

Maybe if the .22lr cartridges were factory installed into the trounds and they were not removable then it could be considered an exotic shotgun loading (still unlikely because the weapons firing them will have multiple barrels). It would still be lame if you had to buy expensive and rare proprietary .22lr trounds though.

Edit: Well it looks like (from what I'm reading) you have to pay the tax stamp for these (http://www.everydaynodaysoff.com/2009/10/13/the-beehive-hornets-nest-40mm-10x-22lr-adapter/), so there may not be hope for a loophole.

[5.56 SS109]

I textured the ugly beat-up grips on my trade in Beretta, not sure what I think of it yet.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v467/Hydrashock/81562637-36B0-45EA-BEFA-E7F0CE42EE5C-2903-0000009CF41BDD4C.jpg

It's a little sharp, carrying it without an undershirt will suck.

It is a hell of a lot more grippy though.

[reggie_love]

^ Do you ever do the dish soap draw test?

[5.56 SS109]

It sounds completely moronic, but I don't even have a holster for that gun yet.

It seems that every single cent of "gun stuff money" has been going towards reloading. But I'll see how it handles next time I'm at the range, but I figure that if it's rougher than my USP and the factory stippling on the USP is more than adequate, that the DIY job on the Beretta should be fine.

[reggie_love]

Do any of you folks frequent other gun forums?

I know some big ones like THR and ARFCOM, but idk if maybe there are better options. ARFCOM seems limited in scope, and THR seems like it's full of tea-party idiots. I wonder if there's something like zoklet with a vibrant and predominantly expert community, but maybe more activity?

[5.56 SS109]

M4carbine.net's forum is the best source of information on the internet.

[The Swede]

MAC on the Sandy Hook mass-murder.
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10151145977252133&set=vb.200640669947740&type=2&theater

[mizled]

Do any of you folks frequent other gun forums?

I know some big ones like THR and ARFCOM, but idk if maybe there are better options. ARFCOM seems limited in scope, and THR seems like it's full of tea-party idiots. I wonder if there's something like zoklet with a vibrant and predominantly expert community, but maybe more activity?

HKPRO, AR15.com

[HMC]

Mostly GlockTalk and occasionally TheHighRoad and The FiringLine. Under a different username though.

[reggie_love]

Great article here (http://reason.com/archives/2012/12/22/gun-restrictions-have-always-bred-defian). I don't usually enjoy Reason, but I think this one was awesome.

Molon labe.

[5.56 SS109]

Found some KAC 600M BUIS for $58 shipped.

Guys who bought them say they are the real deal.

Figured I'd give a heads up to anyone looking to buy or upgrade their BUIS. If you know what this BUIS is and how much they cost, you'll like this deal.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/USMC-Knights-Armament-Micro-Flip-Up-Rear-Sight-BLK-600m-BUIS-New-/160942115884?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2578e5cc2c

[reggie_love]

Holy shit great deal. *get*

[944]

Went to the Westland mall gun show in Columbus yesterday, and scored a couple bare AR lowers for the pre ban panic price. ($120 each) :D:D There is a legit possibility that these were the last lowers any dealer in central ohio had in stock

[Hydroponichronic]

THERE IS NO 9MM ANYWHERE. TulAmmo is going for $20 a box! Fucking steel case! This is horseshit. I'm stocked on up on 45, but both of my 45s need to go back to the factory (FTFs and such). I literally have NO BULLETS for my 9's. FUCK.

http://i.qkme.me/3sg0oj.jpg

[5.56 SS109]

Currently loading 75gr BTHPs that go 2600 fps from a 16" Carbine for about $25 per 100.

Reloading, fuck yeah.

Varget is bulky and crunchy as fuck though, I can literally feel the powder kernels compressing when I'm seating the bullet.

[HMC]

Currently loading 75gr BTHPs that go 2600 fps from a 16" Carbine for about $25 per 100.
.

Thats pretty warm considering what the typical factory 75 grain loads get from the same barrel.

I am stocked up on ammo from 2004-2005 ish so im not too worried. The only shortage I have is 39 rounds of .380 ammo, but I rarely shoot it anyway and its not a primary weapon so I dont mind.

[5.56 SS109]

Thats pretty warm considering what the typical factory 75 grain loads get from the same barrel.

I am stocked up on ammo from 2004-2005 ish so im not too worried. The only shortage I have is 39 rounds of .380 ammo, but I rarely shoot it anyway and its not a primary weapon so I dont mind.

Yeah, I wouldn't shoot it out of a SAAMI chamber.

24.0gr of Varget driven by a CCI Small Rifle Magnum Primer in a once fired military case.

[5.56 SS109]

I am currently doing this:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v467/Hydrashock/66F9C01B-233F-463F-B0D0-40B2E82FAB61-10053-0000032E615D3F34.jpg

While listening to this:

Creedence Clearwater Revival: Fortunate Son - YouTube


I am America as fuck right now.

[HMC]

Bought some 20 Gauge slugs, .380 and .25ACP ammo today. Hope to hit the range tomorrow.

[reggie_love]

I am currently doing this:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v467/Hydrashock/66F9C01B-233F-463F-B0D0-40B2E82FAB61-10053-0000032E615D3F34.jpg

While listening to this:

Creedence Clearwater Revival: Fortunate Son - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ec0XKhAHR5I)


I am America as fuck right now.

Aren't CCR really anti-gun? Isn't that what Run Through the Jungle is all about?

[RadicalApex]

Aren't CCR really anti-gun? Isn't that what Run Through the Jungle is all about?

Probably a bit anti-gun but still hella damn good music group. I'm pretty sure they're known more to be anti-war than anti-gun though. They emerged around the Vietnam War and have a few related songs such as this one.

[5.56 SS109]

Aren't CCR really anti-gun? Isn't that what Run Through the Jungle is all about?

I wouldn't say they are antigun, they aren't progun either.

A lot of their songs are antiwar though.

[5.56 SS109]

Finally got to test those rounds I was loading in the picture.

They are accurate as shit.

All shots touching when confirming my 50 yard zero, and 5 shot groups at 100 yards were about 1.5" on average.

Not too bad for 16" carbine with a 4MOA Aimpoint.

It did seem the groups were more consistent with the new free float handguard (no fliers or vertical stringing) but it just may have been psychological.

Also KAC 600m is the shit as far as folding rear sights go.

[RadicalApex]

The lost art of "Cut Shells" - YouTube

[Vicarious Reality]

That just seems way dangerous

Starch non newtonian liquids come to mind

[RadicalApex]

That just seems way dangerous

Starch non newtonian liquids come to mind

Never said it was safe but it can be done. :muahaha:

[reggie_love]

Good link to pass around.

http://www.assaultweapon.info/

[Hydroponichronic]

That just seems way dangerous


Cut shells? Been running them for a while now out of an H&R pardner pump, (probably 75 rounds) no problems yet. I keep expecting some kind of barrel obstruction, but none yet.

[HMC]

I tried a couple of wax slugs out of my H&R 20 gauge single shot (22 inch barrel) and it desintegrated before it even made it to the target. I assume it has some sort of choke that breaks it up, so I figure cut shells may be more reliable.

[Ph0x]

That just seems way dangerous

Starch non newtonian liquids come to mind

It works the exact opposite way.

The massive amounts of force make it behave like a liquid.

AND capitalize Newtonian because Newton is someones name.

[reggie_love]

Ugh...

So this shit (http://www.gocra-mn.org/news/) is popping up in my state.
Tl;dr, Minnesota wants to enact New York style laws: full-retard "one feature" AWB (internal capacity of more than 7 rounds is one of the "features," so no Garands for you), 7-round magazine limit, no grandfathering for magazines legally owned previously (felony to possess them, even). These plus a bunch of other background check shit I don't really care about but that looks deceptively worded.

The house committee is holding public hearings. Should I testify? I'm pretty good at public speaking, despite my shitty posting style. Not to mention it might do some good to have someone who isn't an obese tea partier up there.

I'm just so fucking mad. Our state has one of the lowest homicide rates in the country/the world. They want to ramrod this bullshit through because everyone is talking about the evil guns so they figure they can just slide this egregious ban down our throats. I anticipate a wave of McVeighs if the federal government goes down the same road.

[HMC]

I just heard 5-6 shots go off less than 50 meters away in my apartment complex. Great way to start off the Saturday night

[RadicalApex]

My gunstore clerk was wearing this today. I got a chuckle out of it.

http://i45.tinypic.com/2pypaaq.jpg

[encroach]

It may be unconstitutional to ban boobs but assault boobs are fair to question.

[roasted]

Ugh...

So this shit (http://www.gocra-mn.org/news/) is popping up in my state.
Tl;dr, Minnesota wants to enact New York style laws: full-retard "one feature" AWB (internal capacity of more than 7 rounds is one of the "features," so no Garands for you), 7-round magazine limit, no grandfathering for magazines legally owned previously (felony to possess them, even). These plus a bunch of other background check shit I don't really care about but that looks deceptively worded.

The house committee is holding public hearings. Should I testify? I'm pretty good at public speaking, despite my shitty posting style. Not to mention it might do some good to have someone who isn't an obese tea partier up there.

I'm just so fucking mad. Our state has one of the lowest homicide rates in the country/the world. They want to ramrod this bullshit through because everyone is talking about the evil guns so they figure they can just slide this egregious ban down our throats. I anticipate a wave of McVeighs if the federal government goes down the same road.

You should testify or reach out to your elected representatives...let them know how you feel.

If the law does pass, I think you should mail me all your P-Mags...I can always use more

[reggie_love]

You should testify or reach out to your elected representatives...let them know how you feel.

If the law does pass, I think you should mail me all your P-Mags...I can always use more

I showed up to the Capitol and told them what was up. 500 pro gunners to maybe 8 anti-gun lobbyists (from out of state, mind you.)

It's not going anywhere. The reps admitted that they "dint know anything about guns, I just signed up." Fucking infuriating. One of them didn't even show up to present her own bill. She had an out of state lobbyist do it, who "came from a hunting family and supports the second amendment BUT" This shit is pure politics and you have to fight it.

Also, I don't have any PMAGS :(. Just USGI mags.

[Haiti's Space Agency]

I can't wait for 556 to come online

[Gun Lover]

I can't wait for 556 to come online

He sure has some shit to scrub, doesn't he?

[reggie_love]

http://i.imgur.com/TSZ4lIS.jpg

[roasted]

good news tonight...I found my .233 snap caps that have been lost for 1+ years. They were buried in my tool closet in an old GI mag (I only use PMAGS at the moment). I thought I looked everywhere for them. Now I can practice ftf with a snap instead of spent brass (my feed ramp loves me right now :))

[roasted]

there's no way this $96 ACOG could be fake, right?

http://www.dhgate.com/p-ff808081331b1dc5013358babd927e9a.html?utm_source=G MC&utm_medium=Adwords&utm_campaign=duolami1234&utm_term=125564797&f=bm|125564797||GMC|Adwords||duolami1234|QL||&gclid=CIz0trzK67UCFYxDMgod7T8AnQ

[HMC]

I bought one just to see how they were about a year ago. POS

[tomjonesa22]

It's prolly a Chinese made acog ripoff.

[roasted]

It's prolly a Chinese made acog ripoff.

A $1200 optic for $96...how could that possibly be a counterfeit?

[RadicalApex]

Quick question not worth a thread. I have a 10/22 carbine (16in barrel) I want to put a bull barrel and stock on it as I have the Kidd Trigger kit installed. Anybody have any recomendations for bull barrels, and WOOD stocks that will fit it all and look nice. I'm going for classy, all business, and accurate. Length of the barrel should be 16-20in no more no less.

[reggie_love]

Well, if I were customizing a 10/22, I would want to go ultra-precise. I would go with Volquartsen for the stock (thumbhole, most likely, but maybe those aren't all business) and the barrel.

And I'd get one of a barrel with the 1:9 twist so I could use the 60gr Aguila SSS. Maybe some threads on the end, so I could run a can if I wanted.

Any of that sound like what you're looking for?

[HMC]

The 60 grain SSS load starts to feel like a .32ACP when fired from a pocket pistol. From a rifle there isnt much of a difference in recoil but you can tell from the impact that it means business.

I agree, if I was gonna put money into a rifle like that I would definately do a 1:9 so you could shoot the 60 grainers. If you end up putting a silencer on it then that would be the go to ammo.

[5.56 SS109]

I'll admit, I laughed.



http://www.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=48798

[Venom]

What are the laws on importing of exporting guns in the USA and do they vary by state.
What special exceptions are there for antiques or odd guns?

[5.56 SS109]

What are the laws on importing of exporting guns in the USA and do they vary by state.
What special exceptions are there for antiques or odd guns?

What kind of guns?

When it comes to importing, ANYTHING with a detachable magazine that is semiauto and not a .22 will be a pain in the ass. Bolt guns would probably be pretty easy, handguns would likely be difficult.

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http://www.atf.gov/firearms/how-to/import-firearms-ammo-implements-of-war.html


I think there are different requirements for commercial importation. IIRC, a certain % of the parts must be made and installed domestically....like if you wanted to import a crate of Soviet AK's, they would need a US made trigger group or something like that. I'm not sure though

[HMC]

I was talking to a redneck couple today who paid $400 for a Cobra .380 and were boasting how high quality it was

[reggie_love]

http://www.atf.gov/firearms/how-to/import-firearms-ammo-implements-of-war.html


I think there are different requirements for commercial importation. IIRC, a certain % of the parts must be made and installed domestically....like if you wanted to import a crate of Soviet AK's, they would need a US made trigger group or something like that. I'm not sure though

Also a ban on foreign made weapons in "assault weapon" configurations, which is why Saigas come in in "sporter" variants.

There is also a rather nonsensical point system for the importation of handguns, which is why we can't get Glocks in .380 here in the USA.

Funny, it's almost like the people who write gun laws have no idea wtf they're doing or something!

[Venom]

What kind of guns?

When it comes to importing, ANYTHING with a detachable magazine that is semiauto and not a .22 will be a pain in the ass. Bolt guns would probably be pretty easy, handguns would likely be difficult.

Things like antique shotguns,pepperbox revolvers and old or odd weapons like the broomhandle mauser.

I've heard something about not being able to import movie props and the like if they're using the lower receiver off a real gun.

[Hydroponichronic]

I'll admit, I laughed.



http://www.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=48798

I did too, but what is the reference?

[&Zenith]

Funny, it's almost like the people who write gun laws have no idea wtf they're doing or something!

:eek:

[5.56 SS109]

I did too, but what is the reference?

That's a piece of shit ex-Congresswoman named Gabby Giffords, she was (allegedly) shot in the brain by Jared Lee Loughner.

She and her husband are now a huge gun control advocates (even though her husband was caught buying an AR15 a few weeks ago) and she apparently suffered massive trauma to her brain when she was shot.

The joke is because of her (alleged) brain trauma, she thinks "potato" is a number.

I personally think she was just grazed a little bit and is hamming up all Rain Man style to push her stupid views.

[5.56 SS109]

Got bored and took home some boxer primed Wolf .223 cases from the range today and reloaded them.

Only did 3 rounds as a trial run but everything worked fine as far as the reloading process and the shooting process.

I'm gonna fuck around with them more and possibly try the same with pistol calibers.

[Hydroponichronic]

Well, I got bored and emptied some 12 gauge birdshot loads. Took out the powder, shot, and piston, and rubber-cemented a marble into the wad. Turns out you can shoot the fuckers out of one of those Orion flare guns and get recoil like a 22lr. My estimation (assuming same recoil) is about 50 Joules of energy, and has no problems penetrating 3/8" of newspaper. Not really useful for anything, but they're quiet enough you could shoot 'em indoors when drunk for lulz. (you know, if such things were legal...)

That's Gabby Giffords

:XD:

Oh god, that's awful...

[HMC]

Somehow shotgun ammo hasnt really been effected by the craze. It went from about $23 per 100 to about $27 which is nothing compared to the other shit that I see.

BTW I got 3 boxes of 9mm Tula at Walmart today for $12.99 each : ]

[Hydroponichronic]

Somehow shotgun ammo hasnt really been effected by the craze. It went from about $23 per 100 to about $27 which is nothing compared to the other shit that I see.
It's times like this I wish the NFA didn't restrict shotgun pistols. I like shooting handguns, but my state doesn't allow for any NFA firearms.

:(

BTW I got 3 boxes of 9mm Tula at Walmart today for $12.99 each : ]
Lucky. Have you just been calling everyday, or did you bribe a cashier to set some aside for you?


EDIT: On an unrelated note, what would happen if you put a 45 acp round into a 12 gauge shell and fired it? Like if you emptied out the shot, and put the round in the cup?

[HMC]

Lucky. Have you just been calling everyday, or did you bribe a cashier to set some aside for you?


EDIT: On an unrelated note, what would happen if you put a 45 acp round into a 12 gauge shell and fired it? Like if you emptied out the shot, and put the round in the cup?

I just showed up kinda early in the morning, that is when most places stock up.

But as for the .45 in a shell, I wouldnt do it. Chances are it wouldnt go off but its still not something I would recommend. You can find plenty of .50 and .45 bullets for muzzleloaders that would be much safer.

[Hydroponichronic]

But as for the .45 in a shell, I wouldnt do it. Chances are it wouldnt go off but its still not something I would recommend. You can find plenty of .50 and .45 bullets for muzzleloaders that would be much safer.

Actually, it not going off might be cool. It would be like having an exploding slug, if it made contact with a hard surface. I guess I was hoping someone had done this experiment online somewhere and had video of it.

[HMC]

Actually, it not going off might be cool. It would be like having an exploding slug, if it made contact with a hard surface. I guess I was hoping someone had done this experiment online somewhere and had video of it.

Chances are the cartridge would impact bullet first becuase the heavier end would take lead in path. Becuase of this, I highly doubt it would explode and wouldnt likely do much more damage than a standard 230 grain .45ACP bullet.

[Malice]

LiveLeak.com - CO Democrat Doesn't Understand High-Capacity Magazines Can Be Reloaded

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Mother of God....
:picard:


I would laugh at this if it wasnt scary how fucking stupid she is.

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Also, this is a better version of that video

Diana DeGette on High Capacity Magazine Clips with Officer Response - YouTube

[jheit8]

Is it a shock she teamed up with Carolyn "Shoulder thing that goes up" McCarthy to ban online ammo sales?

[The Swede]

Also, this is a better version of that video

Diana DeGette on High Capacity Magazine Clips with Officer Response - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfngrMVzH0s)

I got a stroke from listening to that.

[5.56 SS109]

Went out with the carbines to confirm zeros and shot a mag through the USP (go damn ammo drought), only got a single video from the trip. Figured I'd get use to drawing without a coat on now that it's getting warmer.

Anyway, Mozambique:

http://smg.photobucket.com/user/Hydrashock/media/046E634C-BF8F-495B-ACD9-5F9C164B0213-6058-00000553625AF6A7_zpsb98c7e89.mp4.html

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Please remember to check if you gun works before attempting to assassinate someone.

LiveLeak.com - Failed Assassination Attempt


:picard:

[reggie_love]

Why why why did he get out of the car? You have multiple tons of armor and the ability to escape super fast when you're still inside!

[Malice]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandy_Hook_Elementary_School_shooting#Off-site

Lanza removed the hard drive from his computer and damaged it prior to the shooting, creating a challenge for investigators to recover data.[92] Police believe that Lanza extensively researched earlier mass shootings, including the 2011 Norway attacks and the 2006 Amish school shooting at a one-room school in Nickel Mines, Pennsylvania.[32][93]

Details of the investigation were reported by law enforcement officials at a meeting of the International Association of Police Chiefs and Colonels held during the week of March 11, 2013. An article published in the New York Daily News on March 17, 2013, provided purported details of this report by an anonymous law enforcement veteran who had attended the meeting.[94] The source stated that the investigation had found that Lanza had created a 7-by-4 foot sized spreadsheet listing around 500 mass murderers and the weapons they used, which was considered to have taken taken years of work and to have been used by Lanza as a "score sheet".[94] On March 18, 2013, Lt. Paul Vance of the Connecticut State Police responded that the information from this meeting was "law enforcement sensitive information" and considered the release to be a leak.[95]

'It sounded like a doctoral thesis, that was the quality of the research,' an anonymous law enforcement veteran said.

“He didn’t snap that day, he wasn’t one of those guys who was mad as hell and wasn’t going to take it anymore,” the man said. “He had been planning this thing forever. In the end, it was just a perfect storm: These guns, one of them an AR-15, in the hands of a violent, insane gamer. It was like porn to a rapist. They feed on it until they go out and say, enough of the video screen. Now I’m actually going to be a hunter.”

Oh, interesting. He may have been planning it for years.

[Malice]

He seems trustworthy.

[bling bling]

Quick question not worth a thread. I have a 10/22 carbine (16in barrel) I want to put a bull barrel and stock on it as I have the Kidd Trigger kit installed. Anybody have any recomendations for bull barrels, and WOOD stocks that will fit it all and look nice. I'm going for classy, all business, and accurate. Length of the barrel should be 16-20in no more no less.

PUT RAIL ON WEAPON

RAIL CAN HAVE MANY TACTICAL OPTIONS

http://centerfiresystems.com/productimages/stocks/STKRUG-ARCHANGLE-D1.jpg

[HMC]

PUT RAIL ON WEAPON

RAIL CAN HAVE MANY TACTICAL OPTIONS



RAILZ MAEK GUNS MORE ACCURATE AND THE USER MORE PROFICIENT AND GETS TEH WOMENZ OMGZ #ALL cAPS #TACTICAL #HASHTAG #LOL #YOLO

[Hydroponichronic]

put rail on weapon

rail can have many tactical options



PUT RAIL ON WEAPON

RAIL CAN HAVE MANY TACTICAL OPTIONS



WHY YOU WANT RAIL ON 1022? IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH AS PROCURED FROM RUGER CORPORATION? YOU THINK NEEDS IMPROVEMENT? THEN MAYBE YOU FIND JOB WITH RUGER! YOU HAVE DRINKS WITH WILLIAM RUGER AND TRADE STORIES OF MANY WEAPONS DESIGNED AND DETAILS OF SCHOOL FOR ENGINEERING!

OR MAYBE YOU NOT DO THIS. PROBABLY IS BECAUSE YOU NEVER DESIGN WEAPON IN WHOLE LIFE. YOU LOOK AT FINE SPORTING RIFLE, THINK IT NEED CRAZY SHIT STICK ON ALL SIDES OF WEAPON. YOU HAVE DlSEASE OF TACTICOOL FAGGOT, CHANGE THING THAT IS FINE FOR NO REASON EXCEPT TO LOOK DIFFERENT FROM COMRADE. YOU PUT CHEAP FLASHLIGHT OF CHINESE SLAVE FACTORY ON ONE SIDE, YOU PUT BAD SCOPE OF AMERICAN MIDDLE WEST ON OTHER SIDE, YOU PUT FRONT PISTOL GRIP ON BOTTOM SO YOU ARE LIKE AMERICAN MOVIE GUY JOHN RAMBO. MAYBE YOU PUT SEX DILDO ON TOP TO FUCK YOURSELF IN ASSHOLE FOR MAKING SHAMEFUL TRAVESTY OF RUGER 22 RIFLE, NO?

RIFLE IS FINE. YOU FUCK IT, IT ONLY GET HEAVY AND YOU STILL NO HIT LARGEST SIDE OF BARN. GO TO FIRING RANGE, PRACTICE WITH MANY MAGAZINE OF CARTRIDGE. THEN YOU NOT NEED DUMB SHIT PUT ON SIDE OF RIFLE.

[mizled]

Least politically correct gun video evah..

It shoots through schools

[HMC]

WEAPON IN WHOLE LIFE. YOU LOOK AT FINE SPORTING RIFLE, THINK IT NEED CRAZY SHIT STICK ON ALL SIDES OF WEAPON. YOU HAVE DlSEASE OF TACTICOOL FAGGOT, CHANGE THING THAT IS FINE FOR NO REASON EXCEPT TO LOOK DIFFERENT FROM COMRADE. YOU PUT CHEAP FLASHLIGHT OF CHINESE SLAVE FACTORY ON ONE SIDE, YOU PUT BAD SCOPE OF AMERICAN MIDDLE WEST ON OTHER SIDE, YOU PUT FRONT PISTOL GRIP ON BOTTOM SO YOU ARE LIKE AMERICAN MOVIE GUY JOHN RAMBO. MAYBE YOU PUT SEX DILDO ON TOP TO FUCK YOURSELF IN ASSHOLE FOR MAKING SHAMEFUL TRAVESTY OF RUGER 22 RIFLE, NO?

:lulz: :lulz: :lulz:

:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

BLING BLING TROLL TROLLOLOL

Stupid kiads

[5.56 SS109]

We won.


For now....

[5.56 SS109]

LOL @ this jolly group

http://s2.reutersmedia.net/resources/media/global/assets/images/20130417/20130417_8000632520130417233508.jpg

[jheit8]

We won.


For now....

Unless you're in Colorado.

[mizled]

Unless you're in Colorado.

This is true.

The DNC is trying to make an end run around the legislature and ban guns at the state level.

[jheit8]

This is true.

The DNC is trying to make an end run around the legislature and ban guns at the state level.

At least the gun grabbers were told to fuck off here in Oregon.

[Malice]

LOL @ this jolly group

http://s2.reutersmedia.net/resources/media/global/assets/images/20130417/20130417_8000632520130417233508.jpg

I love the look on Biden's face.

[5.56 SS109]

I love the look on Biden's face.

It's pretty bad when the one in that picture with the most brain power is Gabby Giffords.

[5.56 SS109]

I love the look on Biden's face.

http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll173/CgSkapegoat/unclejoe_zps97ef029f.jpg



Also, I heard going down on Gabby counts as a serving of vegetables.

[Malice]

http://www.theblogmocracy.com/wp-content/uploads/biden_facepalm_041713.jpg

[HMC]

LiveLeak.com - Tank Shell Disrupts Snackbar Precession - FSA gets a facelift at 0:18

Watch both videos and watch the guy on the lefts face in the first one.

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LiveLeak.com - Tank Shell Disrupts Snackbar Precession - FSA gets a facelift at 0:18 (http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=c6d_1365791144)

Watch both videos and watch the guy on the lefts face in the first one.

You can still see that guy's jaw moving in the second vid...pretty crazy. I wonder if he's still alive or its just nerves firing. Either way, I bet that terrorist was disappointed when he found out that Allah doesnt exist and he wont be getting any virgins in the afterlife


EDIT: Homey almost shoots his foot off @ 0:06 in the first vid.

[reggie_love]

Are Palametto State Armory any good? Someone near me is selling an upper minus the BCG for $620
16" Barrel length
Chrome moly vanadium barrel
5.56 Nato Chamber
1 in 7" twist rate
chrome-lined bore
M4 Feed ramps
MI SS12G2 free-float Rail
A2 Flash Hider
Forged upper receiver
T-Marks
BCG not included.

How is this price? I'm not used to buying uppers.

[944]

Are Palametto State Armory any good? Someone near me is selling an upper minus the BCG for $620


How is this price? I'm not used to buying uppers.

Every review I've heard has said they're Colt quality

That price is high for a Palametto upper, they're backordered for most of their uppers but still have ones that are close to that for $100 less on their website

http://palmettostatearmory.com/index.php/ar-15-05/complete-uppers.html

[5.56 SS109]

Are Palametto State Armory any good? Someone near me is selling an upper minus the BCG for $620


How is this price? I'm not used to buying uppers.

That's a little high for a PSA (made by FN) even with the addition of the $150 or so MI rail.

There are 16" carbines and 16" Dissipator uppers in stock on their site for like $400 without BCG.

[5.56 SS109]

We drove 2 hours to an auction of some hick-ass gunshop that was closing down and it was awesome:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v467/Hydrashock/186357e7-a9be-4978-802d-dd0a63ced13f_zps6d13589b.jpg

Those 1K packs of primers were bought for $5-$25 each, the powder we paid near retail on but it was fine because no one else was in stock, the bullets went for slightly below retail.

We made out on the primers though.

But I saw a half dozen NIB Hi-Point pistols go for (no shit) $425 each :s

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But I saw a half dozen NIB Hi-Point pistols go for (no shit) $425 each :s

It takes a special type of stupid to pay $425 for a Hi-Point :picard:

[5.56 SS109]

It takes a special type of stupid to pay $425 for a Hi-Point :picard:

Yeah, and the NIB G26 only went up to $400.

I mean it was major Hickville though.

Everybody had on Real Tree and there were 70 full mouths of teeth but a total of 120 people in attendance.


Guess nobody wanted "Dat der Australian pistol."

[Hydroponichronic]

Also, I heard going down on Gabby counts as a serving of vegetables.

I feel so bad laughing at that... I mean, we're actually making fun of the mentally disabled.

[mrbarbwir3]

PSL or AK47 or other? want to spend less 700.

[5.56 SS109]

You'll get more use out of the AK, it's more practical.

[mrbarbwir3]

yeah i may get a mosin and an ak47, now i just have to find decent prices for an ak, i got a good gun dealer im just not sure about which brands are reliable.

thanks for the input.

[roasted]

Damn, I want one

Guns DO Grow on Trees! - YouTube

[RadicalApex]

yeah i may get a mosin and an ak47, now i just have to find decent prices for an ak, i got a good gun dealer im just not sure about which brands are reliable.

thanks for the input.

Stay away from most Century guns and you should be okay. Don't get a piece of shit WASR or VZ either. Avoid the Century Tantal at all costs! AMD-65's and M70's are the only AK clones I'd spend my money on. Get a nice Polish or Bulgy AK. You could always build or have an AK built if you're having trouble finding one. Get a No-Dak spud reciever and a parts kit. You'll need some tools and equipment if you do it yourself or you can send it off and have it built for some cash.

[mrbarbwir3]

thanks the wasr's were the only in my price range so ive decided to pick up a mosin type 53 matching parts off a buddy of mine for 100 and some surplus ammo. ill look into building one since i still want an ak i just dont want a crappy one. and im willing to wait for good things.

Thank you!

[RadicalApex]

thanks the wasr's were the only in my price range so ive decided to pick up a mosin type 53 matching parts off a buddy of mine for 100 and some surplus ammo. ill look into building one since i still want an ak i just dont want a crappy one. and im willing to wait for good things.

Thank you!

There's nothing "wrong" with a WASR per say. The problems are with the builds. Century has a reputation for poor quality control. There's a few smaller issues like the mag wells being out of spec, the sights being canted, minor function issues that are usually easily corrected. It's not going to blow up on you or be a jam-o-matic it's just more that you have to understand it might not be worth spending the currently inflated price of a WASR, I wouldn't pay more than $450 for one. If you do get one look it over extremely well to make sure you get a good one first. Stay away from the tantal for sure though, they keyhole.

[mrbarbwir3]

Thank you again.

[Hydroponichronic]

yeah i may get a mosin and an ak47, now i just have to find decent prices for an ak, i got a good gun dealer im just not sure about which brands are reliable.

thanks for the input.

If you can find a Saiga, I'd go with that. I picked one up a few years back and love it. The reason I got it was that is was dirt cheap, and I like the longer barrel you can get on them. Plus, if my state ever passes an "AWB", I can throw the old monte-carlo stock on there and it looks relatively innocuous.

[Hydroponichronic]

Damn, I want one

Guns DO Grow on Trees! - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPPNYCexFbE)

What's funny is that with modern engineering materials, I bet you could make a functioning 1911 with an all-wood exterior finish. The only metal you'd need would be the barrel, a bit between the firing pin and the chamber, then a lump of something heavy like tungsten to give the whole thing enough mass to deal with recoil. (plus bits for the springs and other small clockwork bits).

[mrbarbwir3]

If you can find a Saiga, I'd go with that. I picked one up a few years back and love it. The reason I got it was that is was dirt cheap, and I like the longer barrel you can get on them. Plus, if my state ever passes an "AWB", I can throw the old monte-carlo stock on there and it looks relatively innocuous.

looked at a few the other day, around 650, they only had the .223 and 12 gauge variants. with the standard rifle stock, ied rather spend that money on a converted stock. the prices are starting to drop a little. im not expecting them to go too low, and i don't think i have to worry about an awb i live in vacationland. in fact my procrastination may lead me to not need a ccl, law makers think its a violation of the 2nd amendment.

[Hydroponichronic]

looked at a few the other day, around 650, they only had the .223 and 12 gauge variants. with the standard rifle stock, ied rather spend that money on a converted stock. the prices are starting to drop a little. im not expecting them to go too low, and i don't think i have to worry about an awb i live in vacationland. in fact my procrastination may lead me to not need a ccl, law makers think its a violation of the 2nd amendment.

At the time I was looking, I found a saiga 7.62 with 20" barrel for $440, including shipping and transfer. My logic was that I could do the full ak conversion (http://y2u.be/waj8aLz-xY4) for $150 on top of that, and I'd have one of the highest quality AKs out there. Hell, if you know someplace to do 3D printing, you could save a lot of that cost. And if you go bullpup, you would have to discard the original furniture anyway. Prices might get that low again in a few months, since now that everyone's bought their guns, demand should drop when sites resupply.