What hard tags are used at various stores?

[kracker]

This is a copy of my recent &T thread.

For starters, I can say from a second hand source with confidence that some of the easier places to steal from are clothing stores, and the clothes have supposedly high resale values; so the purpose of this thread is to see what theft prevention in the form of hard tags different stores use (in particular clothing stores and department stores). Please contribute in the format below (Name: Type(s) of tag commonly used)

Now in Alphabetic order!
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Abercrombie & Fitch: SuperTag Hard Tag
Aeropostale: SuperTag Hard Tag
American Apparel: Nothing
American Eagle: UltraGator Hard Tag / SuperTag Hard Tag
Banana Republic: SuperTag Hard Tag / Alpha S3 Tag
Barneys Co-Op: Magnetic Tag
Bloomingdales: SuperTag Hard Tag / Magnetic Ink Tag
Cabela's: Pencil Tag
Calvin Klein: SuperTag Hard Tag
Club Monaco: SuperTag Hard Tag / Magnetic Tag / Magnetic Ink Tag
Express: UltraGator Hard Tag
French Connection U.K.: SuperTag Hard Tag
GAP: SuperTag Hard Tag / Magnetic Tag / Pencil Tag
H&M: SuperTag Hard Tag / Pencil Tag
Hollister: SuperTag Hard Tag
Hot Topic: Pencil Tag with ink tag backer
Hudson Bay Company Stores (The Bay, Zellers): SuperTag Hard Tag / Magnetic Tag / Magnetic Ink Tag
JC Penney: SuperTag Hard Tag
J Crew: Sewn in Sensormatic Ultra Strip (like Old Navy)
Macy's: SuperTag Hard Tag / Magnetic Tag / Magnetic Ink Tag
Marshalls: Gator Hard Tag
National Jean Company: Pencil Tag
Neiman Marcus: SuperTag Hard Tag
Nordstrom: Alpha Security (magnetic tag) / Pencil Tag
Old Navy: Sewn in Sensormatic Ultra Strip (like J Crew)
Pac Sun: Mini-Gator Hard Tag / Cone Tag
Payless Shoes: Pencil Tag
Pink: Pencil Tag
REI: Magnetic Tag / Cone Tag / UFO tag
RW&Co.: Magnetic Tag / Magnetic Ink Tag
Saks Fifth Avenue: Magnetic Tag/ Magnetic Ink Tag
Sport Chalet: Magnetic Tag
Sportchek: SuperTag Hard Tag
Urban Outfitters: Alpha Mini-Tag
Victoria's Secret: Pencil Tag
Zara: SuperTag Hard Tag
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I will update this list as more info is posted.

[Orinux]

Thanx for reposting this i was looking for it at Totse but it was impossible to find it!

[kracker]

I encourage people to post pics of any loss protection tag they see at a store, then post it with the store name (it's okay if you don't know what type of tag it is, I will figure that out from the pic).

[Orinux]

I encourage people to post pics of any loss protection tag they see at a store, then post it with the store name (it's okay if you don't know what type of tag it is, I will figure that out from the pic).

i am going "shopping" soon so ill provide some good pic!

[Knife in The Knight]

Where might one learn how to deactivate or remove such tags from the clothing..?

[Orinux]

Where might one learn how to deactivate or remove such tags from the clothing..?

Well for the hard tags used in: Macy's ,Abercombie, Hollsiter you need the mighty sensormatick repair arm hook! Contact Vinipooh to buy one. Not sure if he is in Zoklet now. If you cant find it look at http://www.retailsecurityworld.co.uk/epages/es106151.sf/en_GB/?ObjectPath=/Shops/es106151_shop/Products/%22Sensormatic%20replacement%20hook%22
I know fucking expensive but they are so worth it. I mean wtf you gonna make the money of it in one go!!!
Now for the other tags yo can either break them with your hands or buy the magnets provided in the website i showed you!

Good Luck!

[kracker]

Well for the hard tags used in: Macy's ,Abercombie, Hollsiter you need the mighty sensormatick repair arm hook! Contact Vinipooh to buy one. Not sure if he is in Zoklet now. If you cant find it look at http://www.retailsecurityworld.co.uk/epages/es106151.sf/en_GB/?ObjectPath=/Shops/es106151_shop/Products/%22Sensormatic%20replacement%20hook%22
I know fucking expensive but they are so worth it. I mean wtf you gonna make the money of it in one go!!!
Now for the other tags yo can either break them with your hands or buy the magnets provided in the website i showed you!

Good Luck!

Some guy (Rival) on totse was trying to get people to pay him $100 for that site. Point is, he was a fool for asking, and everyone with the use of google, could have found that site in less than 5 minutes.

[Orinux]

Some guy (Rival) on totse was trying to get people to pay him $100 for that site. Point is, he was a fool for asking, and everyone with the use of google, could have found that site in less than 5 minutes.

yah i remember that guy lol when he said underground information is expensive or smth like that! But yah a easy google search showed me that no big deal really. I am waiting for one to come in mail and i will post the size and the angel of the hook and post it here so you guys can try and make your owns. If you fail i can always make some copy's of it and sell em to you guys for cheaper than the website!!
You still can rip this tags with you hand tho they are not that hard but what stops me is those INK tags. if you want profit form the merchandise than you need this little tool.

[kracker]

Ya, I got one from Vinipooh on the first batch, so it only cost me $50 + $10 for shipping. It arrived a few days ago.

[all_for_war]

ok i used to work in a warehouse for a urban clothing store. And my job was to unpack clothes from wholesalers and tag them with the hard tags you were talking about and every once and a while some one would tag a piece of clothing in the wrong place so we would have to use this metal circular thing almost as big as my palm to un hook it. it had a hole in it and a magnet in the centre that i guess attract the hooks that are inside the hard tag so it will release the pin therefore unlocking it. Basically u just need a strong magnet.

[kracker]

can you post a picture of this type of tag, and the detaching device for it, just to see how it is supposed to work?

[Orinux]

http://www.freepatentsonline.com/7084766-0-large.jpg

[phatyphilly93]

so i know the supertags can be removed with hooks which are what a majority of what stores use but i've seen quite a few UltraGator Hard Tag, how do you remove those? they look thinner and flimsier so im guessing its probably easier.

[GermanyOrFlorida]

Nice find of the cutaway of the sensormatic tag

[kracker]

Nice find of the cutaway of the sensormatic tag

Definitely nice find on the patent scheme Orinux, but do you have the rest of the patent info, or even just the url of the site where you got that?

[Orinux]

Definitely nice find on the patent scheme Orinux, but do you have the rest of the patent info, or even just the url of the site where you got that?

http://www.freepatentsonline.com/7084766.html

[.it]

can someone post the dimensions in detail? i would be willing to share how to create one afterward.

[kracker]

http://www.filefactory.com/file/a02b968/n/US7084766_pdf
This is the link to the full patent, with all the schematics.

[Reptar]

We need vini to teach us how to make them

[kracker]

http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/9273/img4307wmaf6.jpg http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/7130/img4308wmxm2.jpg http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/9242/img4309wmzb8.jpg http://img184.imageshack.us/img184/6600/img4311wmmm3.jpg

[Orinux]

http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/9273/img4307wmaf6.jpg http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/7130/img4308wmxm2.jpg http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/9242/img4309wmzb8.jpg http://img184.imageshack.us/img184/6600/img4311wmmm3.jpg

Good Job man!
Thanx
I should be getting one soon in the mail. Just a question though if you know! Do you have any idea where you can make copies of them? I heard they can brake so it would be good to have some extras just in case.

[Orinux]

We need vini to teach us how to make them

He bought one and than he made several copies and sold them to you guys.
Have to mention he was selling them for somewhat cheaper than other people. Generous of him i guess even though he couldn't deliver one to me.
But is he even here??

And if i may ask:
Where did you buy it from and for how much?

[all_for_war]

you can use wire cutters if its loose enough

[Orinux]

you can use wire cutters if its loose enough

yes! but that wouldn't be professional. That's amateur shit bro!

[Broke]

He bought one and than he made several copies and sold them to you guys.
Have to mention he was selling them for somewhat cheaper than other people. Generous of him i guess even though he couldn't deliver one to me.
But is he even here??

And if i may ask:
Where did you buy it from and for how much?

I dont' thing he made copies i think he just bought mass bulk, i will post here what i posted on totse

here are two youtube videos i made on opening tags

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_SrX4nIdVA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7SQdzTJkEE


I know where to buy those hooks and any other detacher imaginable but i will not give up the site for free, so you can try to find it on your own or you can pay me.

ps they cast about $57 with standard shipping and about $80+ for fully insured next day delivery and most importantly THEY DO NOT BREAK EASILY, YOU GOTTA BE DOING SOMETHING VERY WRONg TO SNAP THEM

[Broke]

yes! but that wouldn't be professional. That's amateur shit bro!

thats how i started out, with pliers until a year later i found my site and went pro

[Orinux]

I dont' thing he made copies i think he just bought mass bulk, i will post here what i posted on totse

here are two youtube videos i made on opening tags

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_SrX4nIdVA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7SQdzTJkEE


I know where to buy those hooks and any other detacher imaginable but i will not give up the site for free, so you can try to find it on your own or you can pay me.

ps they cast about $57 with standard shipping and about $80+ for fully insured next day delivery and most importantly THEY DO NOT BREAK EASILY, YOU GOTTA BE DOING SOMETHING VERY WRONg TO SNAP THEM

Well i already bought one of them and its on its way> i just heard that they brake but no idea if they rly do. And Vini did make copies of the hook because he mentioned it in his thread that they were laser cut replicas!
And as for the website i posted it above for everybody for Free. Y would u sell info that everybody can easily find online lol.
Thanx for your post tho ill check those videos now!

[Orinux]

Nice videos you had there. Had no idea about the N45 magnet removing those inktags. Its much cheaper than buying the detacher for like 70$. I went ahead and bought one just like yours already. Thanx man

[Orinux]

http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/9273/img4307wmaf6.jpg http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/7130/img4308wmxm2.jpg http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/9242/img4309wmzb8.jpg http://img184.imageshack.us/img184/6600/img4311wmmm3.jpg

Now Kracker wtf you really surprise me man!!
First you ask of a picture of them and now you go ahead and post pictures of the actual thing? Wtf how did you get one so fast already?
Wuts your secret lol


EDIT:
Nvm lol i read how you got one from Vini

[kracker]

Update, I put some new stores in the list.

[kracker]

As always, I recommend that if you visit any store, post what tag type they use, and if you don't know, post a description of how the tag looks.

[kracker]

Updated yet again.

[nostrumfiend]

I think vini just said he made plasma laser cut copies so you will not know he bought them for dirt cheap in wholesale.

[kracker]

I think vini just said he made plasma laser cut copies so you will not know he bought them for dirt cheap in wholesale.

You may be right (I have my suspicions too), but the convenience and the cost of purchasing from him was wonderful, and I thank him very much for that. I already sold my hook to a friend in Quebec for a fair bit more than it cost me to get from vini.

[kracker]

Update added.

[superdupervinny]

Went to Macy's today. most of the clothes had a tag "similar" to this... http://sensortags.net/used-tags/images/sensormaticinktag3.jpg

I don't recall the tag having any writing in black on their. there was an engraving on the tag that said "Magnetic Ink" and then a patent no.

on the other hand, only about 5 % of the items on the floor had supertags.

[fishmonger]

REI uses some hard tags that are magnetized. I do not know the name or take a pic. I will try to next time. It was a huge circle, never seen one that big.

The weird thing is they do not have any EAS towers at the doors. Is there a chance they are recessed into the walls/hidden?

[kracker]

REI uses some hard tags that are magnetized. I do not know the name or take a pic. I will try to next time. It was a huge circle, never seen one that big.

The weird thing is they do not have any EAS towers at the doors. Is there a chance they are recessed into the walls/hidden?

If there is a door frame, then there is probably an EAS tower built into the walls. A store like REI is big enough to have a working EAS system, so even though it looks as if there are no towers, don't be duped into trying to get anything out the door without taking necessary precautions.

The tags are probably generic magnetic hard tags.

[kracker]

Went to Macy's today. most of the clothes had a tag "similar" to this... http://sensortags.net/used-tags/images/sensormaticinktag3.jpg

I don't recall the tag having any writing in black on their. there was an engraving on the tag that said "Magnetic Ink" and then a patent no.

on the other hand, only about 5 % of the items on the floor had supertags.

The tags are generic magnetic ink tags, commonly found in department stores. I'll be updating the list. Thanks a lot.

[superdupervinny]

How would you remove those magnetic ink tags at Macy's? If it's a magnet, could someone please send me a link to the magnet that I would need? Thanks.

[kracker]

Simply put, use an N45 grade magnet, which is the base amount of strength you need from you Neodymium magnet, preferably use a ring magnet, if you can't get a ring magnet, you can always use a solid N45 grade magnet, 1" diameter max. should do, anything bigger would be plain fucked up. You could use an N43 grade magnet if you could find one.

[superdupervinny]

Simply put, use an N45 grade magnet, which is the base amount of strength you need from you Neodymium magnet, preferably use a ring magnet, if you can't get a ring magnet, you can always use a solid N45 grade magnet, 1" diameter max. should do, anything bigger would be plain fucked up. You could use an N43 grade magnet if you could find one.


These are the ones that I've found. Which one would you recommend purchasing. Are these sizes okay? What size would you go with?

UnitedNuclear.com - N45 Ring
1" Dia. x 1/4" thick Ring - $8 for 1

Emovendo.net - N48 Ring
1" x 1/2" x 1/4" Rings - $18.99 for 6

Magnet4less.com - N42
1.25" x 0.5" ID x 0.25" - $3.42 for 1

[kracker]

The magnet from united nuclear should do the trick, though kjmagnetics.com is good to take a look at, and they've got a shit-load of ring magnets.

[VINNIPOOH]

dudes this is vinipooh i sell supertag detacher hooks. as you read the threads you can tell that some people bought them from me and are happy. contact me at vinipooh123@gmail.com to get urs fast!@

[kracker]

dudes this is vinipooh i sell supertag detacher hooks. as you read the threads you can tell that some people bought them from me and are happy. contact me at vinipooh123@gmail.com to get urs fast!@

Glad to see you again vini!

[VINNIPOOH]

ya totse closed down some some dude said to join this site. its not bad actually. way better than rorta.... where i was banned for no reason.

that pussy in charge doesnt know what hes doing.

well what i noticed about tags is that even the same chain of stores can use different tags. the best tags are alpha tags, which are also the easiest to remove if you have the tools.

i wonder now that if i sell everyone the hook for supertags WTF stores are ganna do.... will they change their tags?? what do you guys think???

[fishmonger]

If there is a door frame, then there is probably an EAS tower built into the walls. A store like REI is big enough to have a working EAS system, so even though it looks as if there are no towers, don't be duped into trying to get anything out the door without taking necessary precautions.



Very interesting, the only retail chain I have seen with recessed EAS towers was Hot Topic. Is this pretty common? Are there any tell tale signs of hidden EAS systems?

[fishmonger]

I was at nordstrom rack and I saw they have regular hard tags with a speaker on them. It looked identical to the speakers on Alpha security spider wraps. They were mostly on mens designer jeans. I have never seen these before, do you think they would go off if the tag was taken off improperly?

[phatyphilly93]

soo which one would be better this one:http://unitednuclear.com/m1.000g.jpg (n45 1inch dia ring magnet)

or this one: http://unitednuclear.com/m1.000d.jpg (n45 1 inch diamater disc magnet)?

andd anyone who has purchased one which one would you reccommend that works for you? thanks

[superdupervinny]

So today I went to a few stores that uses magnetic and magnetic ink tags and I couldn't remove any of them with my newly purchased neodymium magnet. I bought this magnet...

http://www.amazingmagnets.com/index....PROD&ProdID=92

What am I doing wrong???

[fishmonger]

So today I went to a few stores that uses magnetic and magnetic ink tags and I couldn't remove any of them with my newly purchased neodymium magnet. I bought this magnet...

http://www.amazingmagnets.com/index....PROD&ProdID=92

What am I doing wrong???


Where you doing it like this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TB8TABLlY-c&feature=related

[VINNIPOOH]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8Y48w01sZQ

[superdupervinny]

Yeah,

I'm doing it like that video. The magnet is pretty big too. I've tried every combination. Tried both sides of the magnet on both sides of the tag. It just wont come off. Do I need to squeeze the tag? use some force to pull it off?

This is tag i'm trying to remove.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7SQdzTJkEE&feature=related

I have both a 2" disc magnet and a 3/4" ring magnet.

[superdupervinny]

I tried removing the magnetic tags with the neodymium magnets again and it still didn't work... :confused:

[kracker]

Updated again.

[superdupervinny]

Club Monaco - supertag
Zara - supertag2
Bloomingdales - supertag/magnetic ink tag
Neiman Marcus - supertag
Barneys Co-Op - magnetic tag
Gap - Checkpoint magnetic tag
H&M - supertag
Calvin Klein - Supertag

[superdupervinny]

Updated again.

Hey Kracker,

Can you help me out with my situation? You recommended me buying a 1" inch neodymium magnet to remove the magnetic tags and so I purchased a 2" disc N magnet and a 3/4" ring N magnet, but I still can't remove the tags. I've tried everything with these two magnets. The 2" magnet is SOOOO strong too.

[superdupervinny]

Sport Chalet - Magnetic Tag

[kracker]

Updated again.

[Rush2Lush]

j crew - sewn in Sensormatic Ultra Strip (like old navy)
Pink - pencil tag
REI - cone tag and ufo tag
Pac Sun - cone tag
Payless Shoes - pencil tag
Hot Topic - Pencil tag with ink tag backer
Victoria's Secret - Pencil Tag

[Rush2Lush]

Alphabetical order

Abercrombie & Fitch: SuperTag Hard Tag
Aeropostale: SuperTag Hard Tag
American Apparel: Nothing
American Eagle: UltraGator Hard Tag / Sensormatic Supertag
Banana Republic: SuperTag Hard Tag / Alpha S3 Tag
Barneys Co-Op: Magnetic Tag
Bloomingdales: SuperTag Hard Tag / Magnetic Ink Tag
Calvin Klein: SuperTag Hard Tag
Club Monaco: SuperTag Hard Tag / Magnetic Tag / Magnetic Ink Tag
Express: UltraGator Hard Tag
French Connection U.K.: SuperTag Hard Tag
GAP: SuperTag Hard Tag / Magnetic Tag / Pencil Tag
H&M:SuperTag Hard Tag / Pencil Tag
Hollister: SuperTag Hard Tag
Hot Topic: Pencil tag with ink tag backer
Hudson Bay Company Stores (The Bay, Zellers): SuperTag Hard Tag / Magnetic Tag / Magnetic Ink Tag
JC Penney: SuperTag Hard Tag
j crew: sewn in Sensormatic Ultra Strip (like old navy)
Macy's: SuperTag Hard Tag / Magnetic Tag / Magnetic Ink Tag
Marshalls: Gator Hard Tag
Neiman Marcus: SuperTag Hard Tag
Nordstrom: Alpha Security (magnetic tag) / Pencil Tag
Old Navy: RFID Tag
Pac Sun: Mini-Gator Hard Tag/Cone Tag
Payless Shoes: pencil tag
Pink: pencil tag
REI: Magnetic Tag/Cone Tag/UFO tag
RW&Co.: Magnetic Tag / Magnetic Ink Tag
Sport Chalet: Magnetic Tag
Sportchek: SuperTag Hard Tag
Urban Outfitters: Alpha Mini-Tag
Victoria's Secret; Pencil Tag
Zara: SuperTag Hard Tag

[kracker]

Alphabetical order

Abercrombie & Fitch: SuperTag Hard Tag
Aeropostale: SuperTag Hard Tag
American Apparel: Nothing
American Eagle: UltraGator Hard Tag / Sensormatic Supertag
Banana Republic: SuperTag Hard Tag / Alpha S3 Tag
Barneys Co-Op: Magnetic Tag
Bloomingdales: SuperTag Hard Tag / Magnetic Ink Tag
Calvin Klein: SuperTag Hard Tag
Club Monaco: SuperTag Hard Tag / Magnetic Tag / Magnetic Ink Tag
Express: UltraGator Hard Tag
French Connection U.K.: SuperTag Hard Tag
GAP: SuperTag Hard Tag / Magnetic Tag / Pencil Tag
H&M:SuperTag Hard Tag / Pencil Tag
Hollister: SuperTag Hard Tag
Hot Topic: Pencil tag with ink tag backer
Hudson Bay Company Stores (The Bay, Zellers): SuperTag Hard Tag / Magnetic Tag / Magnetic Ink Tag
JC Penney: SuperTag Hard Tag
j crew: sewn in Sensormatic Ultra Strip (like old navy)
Macy's: SuperTag Hard Tag / Magnetic Tag / Magnetic Ink Tag
Marshalls: Gator Hard Tag
Neiman Marcus: SuperTag Hard Tag
Nordstrom: Alpha Security (magnetic tag) / Pencil Tag
Old Navy: RFID Tag
Pac Sun: Mini-Gator Hard Tag/Cone Tag
Payless Shoes: pencil tag
Pink: pencil tag
REI: Magnetic Tag/Cone Tag/UFO tag
RW&Co.: Magnetic Tag / Magnetic Ink Tag
Sport Chalet: Magnetic Tag
Sportchek: SuperTag Hard Tag
Urban Outfitters: Alpha Mini-Tag
Victoria's Secret; Pencil Tag
Zara: SuperTag Hard Tag

Thanks a lot, I'll be updating the list with this. I'm giving you rep for this.

[kracker]

Updated yet again.

[superdupervinny]

Does anybody have any insight on my problem with removing these magnetic tags? Is the magnet not strong enough?

Anyone??

[superdupervinny]

Saks Fifth Avenue - Magnetic tags/ magnetic ink tags

[kracker]

Updated.

[superdupervinny]

Kracker? I've been doing my best trying to update your list... Any help dude?

I just bought another magnet.

[kracker]

Kracker? I've been doing my best trying to update your list... Any help dude?

I just bought another magnet.

Only I or a mod can edit the list, but if you just post the info in the thread and I'll change the first post within 24 hours.

[superdupervinny]

Only I or a mod can edit the list, but if you just post the info in the thread and I'll change the first post within 24 hours.

Hey. Sorry about the misunderstanding. I was trying to ask you if you had any advice for me on removing the magnetic tags. I've tried removing it with a 2" N50 magnet 4 times already, but it just won't budge.

[.it]

Hey. Sorry about the misunderstanding. I was trying to ask you if you had any advice for me on removing the magnetic tags. I've tried removing it with a 2" N50 magnet 4 times already, but it just won't budge.

take a pic of it next to a ruler, top and side view. so we can see the thickness, and the size of it.

include a link of where you bought it, in case its a fucked up site that sells shitty magnets.

[superdupervinny]

take a pic of it next to a ruler, top and side view. so we can see the thickness, and the size of it.

include a link of where you bought it, in case its a fucked up site that sells shitty magnets.

Here's a picture of the magnet. http://www.amazingmagnets.com/ProductImages/D250P_large.jpg

Description: 2" Dia x 0.25" Thick NdFeB Disc Magnet, Ni-Cu-Ni Plated,
Matte finish, Axially Magnetized, Grade N45.

Also, what stores do you usually visit in socal? I'm just curious cause i'm in socal as well.

[.it]

Here's a picture of the magnet. http://www.amazingmagnets.com/ProductImages/D250P_large.jpg

Description: 2" Dia x 0.25" Thick NdFeB Disc Magnet, Ni-Cu-Ni Plated,
Matte finish, Axially Magnetized, Grade N45.

Also, what stores do you usually visit in socal? I'm just curious cause i'm in socal as well.

i just believe your magnet is a bit too small, what part of so cal are you from? private msg me.

[phatyphilly93]

i just believe your magnet is a bit too small, what part of so cal are you from? private msg me.


too small? the diameter or the thickness? because i thought you only needed like a 1" diameter, just dont want to carry something crazy into a store..

[superdupervinny]

too small? the diameter or the thickness? because i thought you only needed like a 1" diameter, just dont want to carry something crazy into a store..

That's what Kracker recommends but it doesn't work. I tried using a 2" inch magnet but it's apparently not big enough. try something bigger and stronger.

[.it]

too small? the diameter or the thickness? because i thought you only needed like a 1" diameter, just dont want to carry something crazy into a store..

i believe it has to do with both dimensions because it is the overall volume that gives it the pull.

home depot uses http://www.timeaccessinc.com/eas/images/zldrs2.jpg
magnetic strips.

[Githappy]

Does anyone know how to remove the UltraGator tags? I've tried doing it with the pliers and bending the tag away from the triangle on the top.

Ive done this method:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRIqwSOeVXU

I tried it at forever 21, which has those types of tags and it worked, but it wouldn't work at American Eagle, which had one that was similar.

Am I doing something wrong or is there another method?

[VINNIPOOH]

Yo people.... would anyone be interested im buying the original ALPHA S3KEY????

because i got a connection and i dont know if i should do a purchase... thing is i have to get a minimum of 50 of them... so that cost a shit load... i wanna know if people would buy...

i will be selling for $100 each, and i will do all the work to take out the sensor inside......

give me some feedback.....

right now all im selling are the sensormatic hooks... i want to expand...

[Rush2Lush]

Dude seriously? I only paid 15$ for my sensormatic hook off ebay last summer. I bought my s3 handkey two years ago for thirty dollars. There are many sites that don't check if you are legit before shipping it to you. It only takes a torx screw driver to take the alarming coil out too. I have no problem with you getting the tools out to people but when you are spamming almost every forum i go to I have to take issue.

[zigmaster247]

Alright so i tried to use a n52 magnet at macys and it worked with an inktag....the i went to express and they too had an ink tag but it would not budge. even though it was a smaller ink tag..do u think i need a stronger magnet.....this is the magnet i have http://www.magnet4less.com/product_info.php?cPath=1_122&products_id=678

[graphite]

Thread was tl;dr. This all may have been mentioned already.

Try consumer electronics if you're looking for things with a high resale value.

Most all loss prevention devices can be removed and/or deactivated with neodymium rare earth magnets. If you know what you're looking for then buying the magnet(s) you need is one way to go, though if you're cheap (or broke) grab an old hard drive and a screwdriver. Hard drives have neodymium magnets in them. I believe I got mine from a cheaper source than United Nuclear, but I have a feeling UN's are better. Hard drive magnets are plenty strong enough.

Spider wraps and plastic cases are easily removed/opened with a properly placed magnet. There was a guy on totse, I forget now, who made something like a step by step guide with pictures on how to do it. Not difficult. Ask if you are interested.

A friend of mine and fellow ex-totsean has explained and shown me first hand (proof of concept type thing) how to bypass the stick on RFID tags (I believe that's what they are, can't remember anymore) that are typically placed inside of a package. Basically the things at the door are sending out a signal or electromagnetic field or something, and inside those little tags is like a reed or something. We'll call it a reed. Anyway when it gets in proximity to the things at the door it vibrates and sends out a freqency that causes the things at the door to go off. By placing a magnet over the tag (a bit of trial and error if you can't see it) it holds the reed and keeps it from doing it's thing.

For lulz or chaos you could get a roll of the tags, they should be extremely cheap, or you can borrow them from an innatentive employee (while some things are tagged inside the package, stores also tag things on site), and proceed to go to where all the shopping carts are kept and tag every cart.

Edit: And there we have it, two posts up, the S3 Handkey. That is the device that the dude made a guide for making.

[kracker]

Thread was tl;dr. This all may have been mentioned already.

Try consumer electronics if you're looking for things with a high resale value.

Most all loss prevention devices can be removed and/or deactivated with neodymium rare earth magnets. If you know what you're looking for then buying the magnet(s) you need is one way to go, though if you're cheap (or broke) grab an old hard drive and a screwdriver. Hard drives have neodymium magnets in them. I believe I got mine from a cheaper source than United Nuclear, but I have a feeling UN's are better. Hard drive magnets are plenty strong enough.

Spider wraps and plastic cases are easily removed/opened with a properly placed magnet. There was a guy on totse, I forget now, who made something like a step by step guide with pictures on how to do it. Not difficult. Ask if you are interested.

A friend of mine and fellow ex-totsean has explained and shown me first hand (proof of concept type thing) how to bypass the stick on RFID tags (I believe that's what they are, can't remember anymore) that are typically placed inside of a package. Basically the things at the door are sending out a signal or electromagnetic field or something, and inside those little tags is like a reed or something. We'll call it a reed. Anyway when it gets in proximity to the things at the door it vibrates and sends out a freqency that causes the things at the door to go off. By placing a magnet over the tag (a bit of trial and error if you can't see it) it holds the reed and keeps it from doing it's thing.

For lulz or chaos you could get a roll of the tags, they should be extremely cheap, or you can borrow them from an innatentive employee (while some things are tagged inside the package, stores also tag things on site), and proceed to go to where all the shopping carts are kept and tag every cart.

Edit: And there we have it, two posts up, the S3 Handkey. That is the device that the dude made a guide for making.

I believe you are talking about JesusNachos and his picture guide. Here's the link: http://s156.photobucket.com/albums/t33/jesusnachos/

[graphite]

That's it. Those pictures make me smile.

[Githappy]

I cant seem to get the checkpoint tags off. I use the magnets that are from the back of a speaker. Am I just totally doing it wrong??:facepalm: How are you supposed to do it or do I totally need a different magnet?

[.it]

how do we remove pencil tags?

[zigmaster247]

Pencil tags come off easily with a N45 magnet. just place the magnet on the tag a in comes off.

[Githappy]

Do bringing magnets into the store set off the alarm?
I remember one time my friend brought in an SLR camera into Urban Outfitters and the alarm went off.

[kracker]

Do bringing magnets into the store set off the alarm?
I remember one time my friend brought in an SLR camera into Urban Outfitters and the alarm went off.

That's extremely bizarre, I have no idea why this would happen. I'm now trying to think of a reason.

[Rush2Lush]

Cabela's - pencil tag

[AsianSurprize]

Urban Outfitters have magnetic tags on their clothing tags, so becareful when lifting. I went there once, and I beeped going out. I purchased some clothes that I had changed the prices on. They searched me and found the clothing tagger gun, they luckily could not do anything and I got away scot free... it was sketchy as shit though

[Mister_Crowley]

Does that magical Sensormatic hook thing disable/pwn/raep Alpha mini-tags? SWIM is gonna pwn a store that uses them

[.it]

Does that magical Sensormatic hook thing disable/pwn/raep Alpha mini-tags? SWIM is gonna pwn a store that uses them

http://www.alphaworld.com/hardtags_minitag.asp

if this is what you're talking about, no.

give us a picture. and i'll get back to you in a few hours.


I would like to request again.. that this thread be stickied as it has lots of useful info.

[Rush2Lush]

National Jean Company - Pencil Tag

[kracker]

Updated yet again. This list keeps getting better and better. Thanks to everyone for your continuing contributions...keep 'em coming.

[Mister_Crowley]

The dam store uses these tags:
http://store.harrygs.com/security-tags-rf.html
Does the hook pwn them? Or if that fails a big-ass magnet? SWIM would appreciate the reply

[fishmonger]

The dam store uses these tags:
http://store.harrygs.com/security-tags-rf.html
Does the hook pwn them? Or if that fails a big-ass magnet? SWIM would appreciate the reply

That would be removed with a neodymium magnet. The sensormatic hook only works on sensormatic brand hard tags.

[fishmonger]

Do bringing magnets into the store set off the alarm?
I remember one time my friend brought in an SLR camera into Urban Outfitters and the alarm went off.

Sourcetagging is when the actual manufacturer (Canon or whomever made the camera) puts a security device actually inside the camera. It cannot be deactivated. I am not totally sure how these items get out the door when you buy them legit. A lot of video cameras are like this as well.
There is no way a plain magnet can set of security alarms of any kind. It is not giving off any kind of frequency that the EAS towers look for.

[Githappy]

ok thanks a lot fishmonger.
This means that i can get a magnet without panicking about it.


As for the list, the urban outfitters and pacsun that i go to use checkpoint sensors (http://store.harrygs.com/security-tags-rf.html)

[Mister_Crowley]

That would be removed with a neodymium magnet. The sensormatic hook only works on sensormatic brand hard tags.

Wat size does SWIM need? :confused: SWIM wud hate to buy one and have it fail when SWIM tries to pwn the inktag :facepalm:

[Spyrall]

OD50 x ID20 x 10mm
Neodymium Ring Magnet
Each ring magnet is D50 x 20 x 10mm thick
Grade N38

Will this be enough?

[fishmonger]

Wat size does SWIM need? :confused: SWIM wud hate to buy one and have it fail when SWIM tries to pwn the inktag :facepalm:

OD50 x ID20 x 10mm
Neodymium Ring Magnet
Each ring magnet is D50 x 20 x 10mm thick
Grade N38

Will this be enough?

generally people agree that an N45 strength is required. As far as I know there is no magic size that will garuntee it to work. A 1'' x 1/2'' magnet from a site like here http://www.unitednuclear.com/magnets.htm would work. Either a plate or a ring magnet. Beware though it took them over 10 business days just to ship my magnet out. They are a legit company though.

[Githappy]

i dont speak magnet language.
N45 is the best magnet but what does that mean?
is it the higher the number, the more powerful the magnet is?

[kracker]

The N45 ranking is I believe in reference to the gauss rating of the magnet's surface (?)

Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.

[Githappy]

is n52 stronger than n 45?

[VINNIPOOH]

ok....... this thread is weird. WTF is the point of this thread?

i know for a fact that the same chain of stores uses different types of tags, securitys, cameras, lp in different risk areas.

this is a fact. in a high risk area they will use more security measures, in a low risk area they will use lower security measures.

so ur updated tag list has no point at all.

[VINNIPOOH]

btw.

i got connections from inside.

sensormatic security & LPs from a few stores. i know wtf im talkign about.

[superdupervinny]

I wholeheartedly agree with Vinipooh's statement about the different level of security measures in relation to the value or risk of the inventory. I live in southern california, where malls are an abundance. The malls that I frequent in Los Angeles, Beverly Hills, and Orange County carry some of the most expensive items you'll ever find in malls. There's this department store that I enjoy visiting and at this particular store, they use three different types of tags based on the value of the items. Higher value items have the magnetic ink tags. Lower value items have Supertags. Accessories have cheap magnetic tags.

[LookBack@It]

Active: Napoleon tag: , super hard tag, pencil tags

This is a copy of my recent &T thread.

For starters, I can say from a second hand source with confidence that some of the easier places to steal from are clothing stores, and the clothes have supposedly high resale values; so the purpose of this thread is to see what theft prevention in the form of hard tags different stores use (in particular clothing stores and department stores). Please contribute in the format below (Name: Type(s) of tag commonly used)

Now in Alphabetic order!
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Abercrombie & Fitch: SuperTag Hard Tag
Aeropostale: SuperTag Hard Tag
American Apparel: Nothing
American Eagle: UltraGator Hard Tag / SuperTag Hard Tag
Banana Republic: SuperTag Hard Tag / Alpha S3 Tag
Barneys Co-Op: Magnetic Tag
Bloomingdales: SuperTag Hard Tag / Magnetic Ink Tag
Cabela's: Pencil Tag
Calvin Klein: SuperTag Hard Tag
Club Monaco: SuperTag Hard Tag / Magnetic Tag / Magnetic Ink Tag
Express: UltraGator Hard Tag
French Connection U.K.: SuperTag Hard Tag
GAP: SuperTag Hard Tag / Magnetic Tag / Pencil Tag
H&M: SuperTag Hard Tag / Pencil Tag
Hollister: SuperTag Hard Tag
Hot Topic: Pencil Tag with ink tag backer
Hudson Bay Company Stores (The Bay, Zellers): SuperTag Hard Tag / Magnetic Tag / Magnetic Ink Tag
JC Penney: SuperTag Hard Tag
J Crew: Sewn in Sensormatic Ultra Strip (like Old Navy)
Macy's: SuperTag Hard Tag / Magnetic Tag / Magnetic Ink Tag
Marshalls: Gator Hard Tag
National Jean Company: Pencil Tag
Neiman Marcus: SuperTag Hard Tag
Nordstrom: Alpha Security (magnetic tag) / Pencil Tag
Old Navy: Sewn in Sensormatic Ultra Strip (like J Crew)
Pac Sun: Mini-Gator Hard Tag / Cone Tag
Payless Shoes: Pencil Tag
Pink: Pencil Tag
REI: Magnetic Tag / Cone Tag / UFO tag
RW&Co.: Magnetic Tag / Magnetic Ink Tag
Saks Fifth Avenue: Magnetic Tag/ Magnetic Ink Tag
Sport Chalet: Magnetic Tag
Sportchek: SuperTag Hard Tag
Urban Outfitters: Alpha Mini-Tag
Victoria's Secret: Pencil Tag
Zara: SuperTag Hard Tag
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I will update this list as more info is posted.