New Guld Arab currency pact signed.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by LSA King

You're missing the whole point. I'm not arguing the economy doesn't expand and contract, I'm asking you whether you know why or not. Using statistics doesn't solidify your point unless you use them correctly in the argument.

Generally contractions in the economy are caused by a drop in spending; whatever causes that to happen could range from A-Z.

This recession was caused, essentially, by a deregulation in the banking sector that allowed unqualified niggers and spics get loans they had no right to be approved for, among other things.

[Duelist]

Originally Posted by Echidna

what happens when your broke ass cant pay the rent, or even afford a fucking hamburger, and have no job and are in debt to your eyeballs.


we're fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu

[Echidna]

Originally Posted by Sexual Deviant

what happens when your broke ass cant pay the rent, or even afford a fucking hamburger, and have no job and are in debt to your eyeballs.


we're fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu

[LSA King]

Originally Posted by Sexual Deviant

what happens when your broke ass cant pay the rent, or even afford a fucking hamburger, and have no job and are in debt to your eyeballs.


we're fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu

Dolla Dolla Menu ya'll!!!!!!!!!

All ya gotta do is collect 20 coke cans a day and recycle that shits.

[LSA King]

Originally Posted by Yggdrasil

Did anyone read "The Post-American World" by Fareed Zakaria? It basically offered a how and why of the decline of America's global influence and power and what (American) leaders can do to maintain America's influence even with the rise of new players on the global stage. He also drew up some pretty interesting parallels between the decline of the British Empire and the current state America is in right now as well.

Nope but this looks like exactly the kind of book I am looking for.

[Star Wars Fan]

Originally Posted by LSA King

No Capitalism didn't flourish as it does unchecked and so freely like it dos now since the beginning of our country either.

Uh, what? Care to explain Slavery and Robber-Barons =/

Originally Posted by JustAnotherAsshole

I mean, sure ups and downs are part of an economy like ours, but with developments like the Euro and now this new Arab currency (Not to mention that the war is costing a fucking lot of money), it's not really business as usual. The world is changing very fast and all sorts of shit that we never planned for is likely to happen.

I find this odd. People have been writing this and discussing these sorts of futures in science-fiction novels and anime for YEARS. FFS, Heinlein wrote stories with China being aggressive and taking over Australia and New Zealand. I doubt the Bilberbergers and whatnot are ignorant of that.

Originally Posted by The Better Version

Yeah I kind of lost my optimism a while back. I don't know what's going to happen but it's not going to be pretty like we hope it will be.

I actually think the future will be awesome in some ways. A decentralized world and the new shit that brings up to culture. Looking at the precedent of Japan's rise and the awesomeness of anime, and the cool shit coming out of Japan like mag-lev trains and whatnot? Assuming china stops censoring its' shit, any Chinese anime should be damn good in the future.

Originally Posted by Trix Are For Kids

You see, this is the exact thinking that fucked us over in the first place. We already underestimated China so much, and now we will pay the price. China isn't "on the rise," it HAS ALREADY RISEN. They can compete with us, which is a serious problem NOW. Not "by 2020", not "by the end of the decade," China has taken over NOW.

But would they be able to reform to prevent collapse though. There are still a lot of problems. Like those illegal immigrants to Chinese cities and sweatshops. Though the growth of a large urban prolerariat makes that marxist shit easier to do against state capitalists

Originally Posted by JustAnotherAsshole

I don't think it will be pretty at all. I think it's going to be downright shit.

It depends on who you talk to. It'd probably be cool to see the structures in China and Dubai and new buildings in the large Brazilian cities. I won't sat 'downright shit'. This isn't the worst-case oil peak scenario im speaking from though.

Originally Posted by Azure

or are you going to join along in the chants of Amero and New World Order without knowing the slightest clue what you're talking about like everyone else?

The North American Union is hard to deny. Fucking Bush II referenced the 'security and prosperity partnership for north america' in his last state of the union. Neither is a NWo a conspiracy. it's a fucking fact, it's called neoliberalism and the WTO.

Originally Posted by The Better Version

See the problem is, it's really hard to explain all of this mess because it takes a considerable amount of background information.

IT does? Hmm. Didn't know that. I'd say this stuff if relatively-simple.

I suggest you check out Micheal Ruppert's site, From the Wilderness.com. Or better yet, check out his new movie, collapse. He's an investigative journalist who really drives everything home and makes sense of everything.

thx

Originally Posted by Yggdrasil

Did anyone read "The Post-American World" by Fareed Zakaria? It basically offered a how and why of the decline of America's global influence and power and what (American) leaders can do to maintain America's influence even with the rise of new players on the global stage. He also drew up some pretty interesting parallels between the decline of the British Empire and the current state America is in right now as well.

I looked at it. Damnit there's this related book titled "The New Asian Century" or something like that, written by a Singapore hindi. I read parts of that and need to BUY it instead of reading it @ a bookstore, going into similar things.

[Star Wars Fan]

Originally Posted by L33tz

It isn't gonna stop until the corporations stop being a part of the government. I mean the same people run everything, its a joke.
.

Cyberpunk setting
Time foe neo-marxism to take hold

Originally Posted by LSA King

Nope but this looks like exactly the kind of book I am looking for.

Look for that New Asian Century (or similar title - I forgot) book by that Singapore hindu guy. It went into detail on how some IGOs do all sorts of bullshit to preserve their power

[Duelist]

Originally Posted by LSA King

Dolla Dolla Menu ya'll!!!!!!!!!

All ya gotta do is collect 20 coke cans a day and recycle that shits.

so do you guys thank each of each others stupid ass posts just to make you feel better about yourselves?

is as if you actually hate the USA and want nothing more than to see its destruction.

fucking idiots.

ya nigga i canz talk like dis cuz its funnie yo!

OMG JFLC AZURE AND PHINNEAS ALL THANKED ME LOLOLOL
*jerks off into a mason jar and then drinks the collected semen after 3 weeks*

[LSA King]

Originally Posted by Sexual Deviant

so do you guys thank each of each others stupid ass posts just to make you feel better about yourselves?

is as if you actually hate the USA and want nothing more than to see its destruction.

fucking idiots.

ya nigga i canz talk like dis cuz its funnie yo!

OMG JFLC AZURE AND PHINNEAS ALL THANKED ME LOLOLOL
*jerks off into a mason jar and then drinks the collected semen after 3 weeks*

LOL relax negro...y so srs? I know where I stand and arguing about it on the internet isn't going to do a thing. You can only point someone in a direction and hope they follow. Lets be real, tens of millions of protesters protested the wars and that is 100x the number of people that see the bullshit most of us see, guess what...didn't do shit. Almost 9 years later we are still in the same place so basically they wasted there time.

Do I want the U.S.'s destruction? No which is why I do what I do. Do I want the to break the yoke the U.S. is currently in? Hell yes. If that is the say as wanting its destruction I don't know what to tell you. The U.S. has to fall at some point otherwise it will never learn. We can't learn from our mistakes when we all currently run around saying "We're the best we're the best!" and nobody can really challenge us and say other wise because when rock-paper-scissors comes down to it we win.

This will change of course but the U.S. has to fall off its horse for it to do so. We aren't going to all just magically wake up and say "Hey, It's time for a CHANGE!" wait....isn't that what Obama promised and ran a campaign by. Strange how nothing has really changed.

[Duelist]

arguing on the internet is a lot different than numerous mock posts all with the same end.



just like this depression we're in didn't take one year to culminate, obama's "change" will take more than one year to execute.

(i am not a blind supporter of obama I just hate this bullshit rhetoric)

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Star Wars Fan

The North American Union is hard to deny. Fucking Bush II referenced the 'security and prosperity partnership for north america' in his last state of the union. Neither is a NWo a conspiracy. it's a fucking fact, it's called neoliberalism and the WTO.

There's a difference between strategic partnership amongst 3 very close nations and the Amero conspiracy.

Fucking retard.

[LSA King]

The "Amero" isn't really a conspiracy, it was actually discussed by politicians, but thats another story. We already have a universal monetary system. It's called the credit card.

[Star Wars Fan]

Originally Posted by Azure

There's a difference between strategic partnership amongst 3 very close nations and the Amero conspiracy.

Economic integration (say, a common market) leads to political integration. See the example of the European Union. I'm surprised so many people in the EU were surprised they'd try political unification.

Fucking retard.

Stupid Fuck.

[not me]

Originally Posted by Yggdrasil

Did anyone read "The Post-American World" by Fareed Zakaria? It basically offered a how and why of the decline of America's global influence and power and what (American) leaders can do to maintain America's influence even with the rise of new players on the global stage. He also drew up some pretty interesting parallels between the decline of the British Empire and the current state America is in right now as well.

IMHO, America's losing her "Superpower" status is not a bad thing. I could be wrong, but I think that MOST Americans don't WANT us to be the world's policeman. I would be happy if we minded our own buiness. We should not NEED such a large military force. And the financial benefits would be very welcome, especially in our present circumstances.

[JustAnotherAsshole]

Originally Posted by Echidna

What is up with everyone living under a rainy fucking cloud?

Nobody is going to stop lending money to the US. Ever. The dollar isn't going to die. Yeah it's fucked up, this is our black plaque, we'll survive just fine.

We are still the number one military force on the planet. We are installed all over the world. Who's going to stop us, France? UK? China? I saw a chinese guy sit backwards on a motorcycle and try and drive it like that. Anyone who doubts America can move the fuck out.


Pack your shit, and GTFO.

America is the only country in the world that will never collapse or fall apart.

Ever.

[LSA King]

Originally Posted by JustAnotherAsshole

America is the only country in the world that will never collapse or fall apart.

Ever.

The Thousand Year Reich must live on!

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Star Wars Fan

Economic integration (say, a common market) leads to political integration.

Yeah, in the European Union's case. Economic integration occurs all over; there are dozens of region-specific trade organizations. Take a look at the common economic markets in Central Africa, Central America, the Caribbean, Australiasia, South Africa, OREC, OPEC, etc. etc. etc. I can go on and on about these types of partnerships; are all the nations of say, the CFA(Central African Franc) led by a central group that makes their decisions? No, govern ship is left to the individual nations.

[Mr. Dazed and Confused]

Originally Posted by Star Wars Fan

Economic integration (say, a common market) leads to political integration. See the example of the European Union. I'm surprised so many people in the EU were surprised they'd try political unification.

The U.S will not politically integrate with Mexico any time in the near future.

[People]

Originally Posted by LSA King

LOL relax negro...y so srs? I know where I stand and arguing about it on the internet isn't going to do a thing. You can only point someone in a direction and hope they follow. Lets be real, tens of millions of protesters protested the wars and that is 100x the number of people that see the bullshit most of us see, guess what...didn't do shit. Almost 9 years later we are still in the same place so basically they wasted there time.

Do I want the U.S.'s destruction? No which is why I do what I do. Do I want the to break the yoke the U.S. is currently in? Hell yes. If that is the say as wanting its destruction I don't know what to tell you. The U.S. has to fall at some point otherwise it will never learn. We can't learn from our mistakes when we all currently run around saying "We're the best we're the best!" and nobody can really challenge us and say other wise because when rock-paper-scissors comes down to it we win.

This will change of course but the U.S. has to fall off its horse for it to do so. We aren't going to all just magically wake up and say "Hey, It's time for a CHANGE!" wait....isn't that what Obama promised and ran a campaign by. Strange how nothing has really changed.

Okay, so, LSA King I'm not disagreeing with you, but what can people do to change this situation? Would it be better for the individual to leave the country altogether and just let it "collapse" or what have you. The country is in a decline of stupidity for the most part and like you said, they are ignorant about what USA does and blindly spurt out "Change!".

Is there any possible way anyone could do anything about it, what with the Rockefellers and Rothschilds as the controllers? Would Ron Paul even help anything? I'm not entirely up-to-speed with his policies, but could he do anything whatsoever to change the way the country is run? especially with the said rich people being in true power.

[Cory]

Originally Posted by Star Wars Fan

Economic integration (say, a common market) leads to political integration. See the example of the European Union. I'm surprised so many people in the EU were surprised they'd try political unification.

THIS. Economic dominates history. Don't believe me? Ask Germany how they lost WWII. How much times does this need to be said?

[Star Wars Fan]

Originally Posted by JustAnotherAsshole

America is the only country in the world that will never collapse or fall apart.

Ever.

Odd given the structure of the United States makes it easier to fracture along state lines. Given that's how the United States formed originally, and how a civil war was (mainly) fought along. [Appalachia was more strongly pro-union and plenty of cases of Appalachian parts of Tennesee and North Carolina severed the rails from the rest of the state; also see West Virginia].

Though currently I'd see any fracturing probably more along ethnic or racial lines, with regional problems.

Originally Posted by Azure

Yeah, in the European Union's case. Economic integration occurs all over; there are dozens of region-specific trade organizations. Take a look at the common economic markets in Central Africa, Central America, the Caribbean, Australiasia, South Africa, OREC, OPEC, etc. etc. etc. I can go on and on about these types of partnerships; are all the nations of say, the CFA(Central African Franc) led by a central group that makes their decisions? No, govern ship is left to the individual nations.

For now. As those groups integrate further over time and develop, there will be accompanying political integration. The cases of South America would be an example I would suggest would bring more political integration; besides there was a precedent. The United States of South America that Simon Bolivares attempted. The central american economic group has a precedent in the Central American Republic. Regarding Australia, over time I would expect a union between Australia and New Zealand. See ANZAC

Originally Posted by Mr. Dazed and Confused

The U.S will not politically integrate with Mexico any time in the near future.

They're beginning the economic integration. Check their own website. With economic integration comes political integration.

http://www.spp.gov/
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_...rican-leaders/

Originally Posted by Cory

THIS. Economic dominates history. Don't believe me? Ask Germany how they lost WWII. How much times does this need to be said?

lol. I think World War I was a better example, the bankers and all. Not to mention the communist revolutions and workers' states scaring the rich. Germany and France had plenty of labor strikes and mutinies, etc.

[Cory]

Originally Posted by Star Wars Fan

I think World War I was a better example, the bankers and all. Not to mention the communist revolutions and workers' states scaring the rich. Germany and France had plenty of labor strikes and mutinies, etc.

WWI probably is a better example, seeing as the Germans might have won, or at least done better, had it not been for the British blockade. Those same bankers would go on to fund the Third Reich however(and the Western Allies).

I cited the WWII German example because it's known fact that they had better quality units overall, their industry just couldn't keep up with the USA & USSR, nevermind with the stratigec bombing and all.