Pre-Employment Psychological Testing

[Death of Hope]

Originally Posted by Hammer Tank

i never understood this. "sir, your qualifications are excellent. unfortunately, we are looking for someone with a drinking problem."

on topic though, these tests are terrible and I support cheating them. I wish there was a leak online or something.

Now, there are some sites that claim "overqualified" is just a nice excuse for "We don't want to hire you" and has nothing to do with your degrees. "You're so smart that you'd be bored here" is another. I'm not sure if this is right or not.

I also wonder if the tax credit survey has more to do with hiring than anything; the dropout I was helping with applications already has 4 interviews. I have none. He was able to answer the tax credit surveys with, "Yes, I've been on welfare, yes I have food stamps, yes, I'm ineligible for cash aid because I've reached my lifetime limit." I don't have any of those things.

Not to mention all the places I go back to and they've hired someone completely incompetent... and black. I try so hard not to be a racist, but I don't feel that employers who pay low wages are very sympathetic to the plight of white people, no matter how desperate tehy are.

[LiquidIce]

Originally Posted by Death of Hope

Not to mention all the places I go back to and they've hired someone completely incompetent... and black. I try so hard not to be a racist, but I don't feel that employers who pay low wages are very sympathetic to the plight of white people, no matter how desperate tehy are.

Dude. I got hired in a chain store a week ago. New store, they need staff, not open yet. There are 3 white people, 3 indian people and about 20+ black people . Now, I'm ok with them, but sometimes they make such incredibly stupid mistakes that I think they're doing it on purpose - coming exactly an hour late for example. Or we have these price guns to checkout the location of an item before we put it on shelves, there's a few guns and a lot of people, so a lot of the time the black people scan your item and... don't tell you the location. Or one black dude got a fucking headache when he had to stock cosmetic items because there were so many numbers (locations) and he just had to sit down.

And I FUCKING hate this nigger dialect like "yo what up my dawg, what we shootin todah, brodah?"

But I'm making 7.25$/h and it's gonna fund my 3 month long trip around in my home country + college books.

[Death of Hope]

I (luckily) work the Graveyard, but this company is 90% black, so I still have to deal with them at the beginning of the shift, the end of the shift, and at meetings. The "assistant manager" talks with such horrible English that I can't understand half of what she's saying. I get sick of being called "boo" by people who I would never date. Not to mention, the grammar on the signs is so laughable that it makes me want to gouge my eyes out with a knife. I was a grammar nerd in another life.

For instance, right now, we have a huge sign on the front door that reads:

WE REMODELING.
PLEASE USE BACK DOOR.
WE APOLOGY FOR THE INCONVENIENCE.

Grrrrrrrr...... why does this place only stock plastic knives? WHY?

[LiquidIce]

Originally Posted by Death of Hope

I (luckily) work the Graveyard, but this company is 90% black, so I still have to deal with them at the beginning of the shift, the end of the shift, and at meetings. The "assistant manager" talks with such horrible English that I can't understand half of what she's saying. I get sick of being called "boo" by people who I would never date. Not to mention, the grammar on the signs is so laughable that it makes me want to gouge my eyes out with a knife. I was a grammar nerd in another life.

For instance, right now, we have a huge sign on the front door that reads:

WE REMODELING.
PLEASE USE BACK DOOR.
WE APOLOGY FOR THE INCONVENIENCE.

Grrrrrrrr...... why does this place only stock plastic knives? WHY?

I'm gonna work the graveyard asap, but it's still 2-3 weeks away before they open the store. I mean damn, some of them are ok, like half of them, but the other half act like god damn monkeys. No organization. I could organize them, but they wouldn't even consider it because I'm a "white boy" as they call me behind my back, so no, they fuck up etc. and I don't give a shit because I need to make 2000$ and I get the fuck outa there and never fucking come back. Unless I go to uni and get a part time there, but I doubt it.

The funny thing is that the other white people with me... act exactly and talk exactly like the black people. They represent the same level of sophistication, on is easily under 23 and already has a baby, no education, fuckloads of makeup and is obese. I don't know why, but I greatly abhor these people, I just want to make that 2k and get the fuck out.

[Death of Hope]

Originally Posted by LiquidIce

I'm gonna work the graveyard asap, but it's still 2-3 weeks away before they open the store. I mean damn, some of them are ok, like half of them, but the other half act like god damn monkeys. No organization. I could organize them, but they wouldn't even consider it because I'm a "white boy" as they call me behind my back, so no, they fuck up etc. and I don't give a shit because I need to make 2000$ and I get the fuck outa there and never fucking come back. Unless I go to uni and get a part time there, but I doubt it.

The funny thing is that the other white people with me... act exactly and talk exactly like the black people. They represent the same level of sophistication, on is easily under 23 and already has a baby, no education, fuckloads of makeup and is obese. I don't know why, but I greatly abhor these people, I just want to make that 2k and get the fuck out.

Yeah, it's the same here. You get the niggers and the wiggers. My nickname is "vampire" because nobody's ever seen me during the day. And because I'm white.

I did try to fit in with them, but I'm still the "white girl" or the "rich white girl" because I somehow manage to avoid spending all my money the day after we get paid and if I do happen to make a dumb choice and run out of money, I don't come in whining about it.

Rich white girl. Yeah, I wish.

[kayx]

Wait...so this many niggers passed the pre-employment psych test?

How?!

[LiquidIce]

Originally Posted by kXanon

Wait...so this many niggers passed the pre-employment psych test?

How?!

It's been troubling me every day since then . For fucks sake.

I'm going back in on wednesday, right now I try to be the "quiet, hard working, quick thinking" guy, that just gets the job done and as far as I know, they're not ridiculing me behind my back, like the other white dudes that are actually fuckin' sissies and fuck up all the time.

[Death of Hope]

Originally Posted by kXanon

Wait...so this many niggers passed the pre-employment psych test?

How?!

This baffles me, too, considering the work ethic of the ones I work with.

That being said, there are several questions on every job app asking your race and age (I think that's illegal, and they say that part's not sent to the employer, but yeah, I don't buy that at all), so I wonder if it's kind of like how black people get into the ivy leagues with SAT scores my cat could easily achieve.

[LiquidIce]

Originally Posted by Death of Hope

This baffles me, too, considering the work ethic of the ones I work with.

That being said, there are several questions on every job app asking your race and age (I think that's illegal, and they say that part's not sent to the employer, but yeah, I don't buy that at all), so I wonder if it's kind of like how black people get into the ivy leagues with SAT scores my cat could easily achieve.

What scares me most is the tribal instinct they sometimes exhibit ie. when somehow they get together, in the middle of the shift (on clock) and start laughing and "oh girl yo" and "you's is da man" and shit like that, where the manager has to come out from his hidden lair and get them all back to work. And I think they just fired an honest and hard working white guy that just alienated himself because of this . I'm 50:50, I talk to them but I don't get involved.

[Anthony Rubenstein]

It is necessary to require the psychological evaluation of potential employees before putting them on the job, because we can not have any anti-social behavior in the workplace. Women are primarily responsible for this, because they need protection. Men are notorious assholes, thus it is necessary to make sure that they are not sociopaths. We do not need Cho Seung Hui working around innocent women and homosexuals and faggy artsy types.

Psychiatry is important. It is one of the most important cornerstones of civilization and the rule of law. Psychiatry helps us destroy the superior sociopath/psychopath, albeit highly inefficiently and over centuries, because we are inferior, and they are superior. Without it, the world would be a much harder place for us inferiors, and we wouldn't get to engage in this fun stuff like freedom from violence and mean things! Yay!

[kayx]

A proper sociopath could fake it well enough to pass the test.

They're just fucking people like me who may be a tad eccentric, but can be hard working and loyal employees.

[Death of Hope]

Originally Posted by kXanon

A proper sociopath could fake it well enough to pass the test.

They're just fucking people like me who may be a tad eccentric, but can be hard working and loyal employees.

From what I've seen, I tend to agree with this. I think it also fucks people who were taught to give pleasing answers and speak highly of themselves in school and by their parents (ie kids raised in the upper class who are now broke).

[Death of Hope]

Originally Posted by Anthony Rubenstein

It is necessary to require the psychological evaluation of potential employees before putting them on the job, because we can not have any anti-social behavior in the workplace. Women are primarily responsible for this, because they need protection. Men are notorious assholes, thus it is necessary to make sure that they are not sociopaths. We do not need Cho Seung Hui working around innocent women and homosexuals and faggy artsy types.

Psychiatry is important. It is one of the most important cornerstones of civilization and the rule of law. Psychiatry helps us destroy the superior sociopath/psychopath, albeit highly inefficiently and over centuries, because we are inferior, and they are superior. Without it, the world would be a much harder place for us inferiors, and we wouldn't get to engage in this fun stuff like freedom from violence and mean things! Yay!

You're right--psychiatry is important. If there were a test that could pick out those who are going to be violent in the workplace, perhaps you'd find more support for it here. The current tests do nothing of the sort; in fact, I've seen no empirical data indicating that they work.

My major problem, however, lies in the fact that if these tests are actually testing for psychological disorders, these tests violate the Americans with Disabilities Act and should be illegal. If I'm going to take a test to see if I have a mental disorder, I want it to have been tested, peer-reviewed, and I want some transparency at the end of the test if I'm "diagnosed" with something. I believe it's against the law to do otherwise, and as I've said in this thread before, I'm shocked no lawsuit has come up regarding these tests.

[Death of Hope]

Originally Posted by LiquidIce

What scares me most is the tribal instinct they sometimes exhibit ie. when somehow they get together, in the middle of the shift (on clock) and start laughing and "oh girl yo" and "you's is da man" and shit like that, where the manager has to come out from his hidden lair and get them all back to work. And I think they just fired an honest and hard working white guy that just alienated himself because of this . I'm 50:50, I talk to them but I don't get involved.

Yeah, I know better than to say anything about the private bonding that goes on near the closed-down bank next door. All I know is that everyone who goes out there comes back with bloodshot eyes and a strange smell about them. And Whitey certainly isn't welcome.

[kayx]

Originally Posted by Death of Hope

My major problem, however, lies in the fact that if these tests are actually testing for psychological disorders, these tests violate the Americans with Disabilities Act and should be illegal. If I'm going to take a test to see if I have a mental disorder, I want it to have been tested, peer-reviewed, and I want some transparency at the end of the test if I'm "diagnosed" with something. I believe it's against the law to do otherwise, and as I've said in this thread before, I'm shocked no lawsuit has come up regarding these tests.

Seems to be a variation of the Myers-Brigs test if I remember correctly (I try my best to avoid jobs that require testing).

Despite the fact that they give the same test in most psych evals as well, I don't think one could site the ADA as pointing out that someone is, say, INTP isn't an actual DSM-IV (are they still on 4?) diagnosis. It's just being a dick.