Problem: Over-population, Solution: ?

[Archetype]

Originally Posted by pooka

Like anyone would want to live there except those nature freaks.

[TruthWielder]

Originally Posted by pooka

Your friend chose a shitty topic because none of the solutions are easy.

Some Ideas:
1. Limit births like China does with the one child policy
2. Colonize another planet
3. Limit access to medical services

You know the obvious thing about the problem of overpopulation? It's its own solution. Survival of the fittest occurs whenever survival is threatened by resource scarcity...and there is always resource scarcity.

[Snoopy]

Random castrations at birth.

[Grey Area]

Originally Posted by Azure

Nothing that would be feasible in a non-totalitarian state.

Untrue, all we need to do in the uk is end social security for those who cannot/willnot support themselves but insist on breeding.

[Firemind]

Originally Posted by Star Wars Fan

Lots of the land in Siberia and Canada, for example are forest...and it's not good to cut them down due to the fact that the CO2 that those forests keep in them would be released, which isn't good/

Actually, that is not as harmful as we've been told. While yes it does deplete the Earth of an amount of "C02 eaters" a high majority of oxygen is produced from the evaporation of the oceans and from a strange phytoplankton and zooplankton.
So it is still feasible. I don't think they're(i dunno, the Gov't?) planning on doing that though.

[crazzyass]

Originally Posted by Star Wars Fan

Not quite.

Yes quite. Republics/democracies suck ass when you live in a country where 51% of the people are fucking morons.

[Dog]

Originally Posted by Grey Area

Untrue, all we need to do in the uk is end social security for those who cannot/willnot support themselves but insist on breeding.

It would probably be better to take the Israeli approach and require the women to get Depo-Provera shots.

[elf omg]

i say we destroy all of the developing nations, killing each and every one of the people

They're the ones doing all the polluting too, so it's like two people with one stone.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Grey Area

Untrue, all we need to do in the uk is end social security for those who cannot/willnot support themselves but insist on breeding.

That doesn't solve the problem, it just aggravates it.

[Pooka]

Originally Posted by Azure

That doesn't solve the problem, it just aggravates it.

Then they will not be able to feed their kids and then the kids will die and everyone will be happy.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by pooka

Then they will not be able to feed their kids and then the kids will die and everyone will be happy.

Yeah, then the government has to foot the bill for health care and other tax payer funded programs your welfare state provides.

[Method of Madness]

A dormant skin pigment virus. Stays dormant for 10 years all while infecting anyone with a darker skin. Then by the time the virus takes effect it will be too late.

Basically what they did to rabbits awhile back

[Earthbound01]

We somewhat discussed this in this thread:
http://www.zoklet.net/bbs/showthread.php?t=109775

And to the dipshits talking about how "there's plenty of room, dur;" it's not just about room, not to mention how a lot of land is uninhabitable and shit anyways. It's about other natural resources as well.

[Firemind]

How about nuclear missiles detonate all over the globe and cause a seismic flux that shatters the globe.
No more population problem(s) solved.

[TheDarkRodent]

Originally Posted by Ben Katz

overpopulation is actually a HUGE myth...our planet isn't even CLOSE to being overpopulated. If you look at a density map of the world and compare the people per square mile to the actual area that they encompass, the population isn't even marginally close to being too populated. Most of our planet lays barren and unpopulated. Yes, there are certain spots (mostly urban) where the population density is ridiculous; but there is no reason to believe that our population can continue to grow (exponentially) for centuries to come and we'd still have plenty of room for the increased billions of people that could possibly take over.

Originally Posted by PK Ashley

lol shut up troll/ignorant poster

And like. We really should limit kids to 1 per person.

I do not really see this response as trolling as he is posting on topic in a noninflammatory response to the OP. While I think his opinion is a bit short sighted in that he is only taking population density into consideration and not the numerous other factors such as available resources and social ramifications just to name two. But it is an on topic opinion nonetheless.

ON topic: Out of all the solutions suggested I think an international effort at space colonization is the most humane long term solution. However, for the shorter run people will simply have to realize that 10 children families are no longer feasible or required as they were when a larger percentage of our population was geared towards agriculture. Also another part of the short term solution might possibly be education. There are studies that show a direct correlation between family size and the mother's educational level. (see: study) An added side benefit of this approach would also be a possible decrease in teen crime and other associated social ills as more educated parents tend to raise more educated offspring. With more educated offspring the efforts to achieve space colonization could not help but to be affected in a positive manner.

So ya, education FTW.

[Dog]

As I outlined in one of my threads on Reproduction Licenses, I think that people should only be allowed to bear a child based on their socioeconomic and marital status. For instance, you would have to be married, with a stable job, a stable home, and an income of 35k+ per year in order to have one child. To have two, you would have to be in the 50k+ bracket. For 3, 65k+, and so on and so forth.

Assuming this was thoroughly enforced, it would be an amazingly powerful step in reducing crime and raising the national IQ and quality of life.

It wouldn't necessarily be difficult to enforce in and of itself, but I expect the resistance would be fear. Liberals would whine moronically about "human rights", while libertarians and conservatives would complain about the government turning the country into Communist China. Anyways, assuming the resistance could be overcome effectively with propaganda, the reproductive license could be enforced through the use prison sentences and mandatory adoptions. For instance, if someone illegally has a baby at home and is caught, their baby would be given up for adoption and they'd risk a prison sentence of several years. To encourage compliance, birth control, condoms, and morning-after pills would be subsidized and readily available.



Wishful thinking, of course, and the fact that democratic society can't implement good ideas like this is exactly why I'd like some type of authoritarian regime in place.

[HippieTrippie]

Cannibalism. Solves two problems. Overpopulation and Starvation.

[TruthWielder]

Originally Posted by PizzaNazi

As I outlined in one of my threads on Reproduction Licenses, I think that people should only be allowed to bear a child based on their socioeconomic and marital status. For instance, you would have to be married, with a stable job, a stable home, and an income of 35k+ per year in order to have one child. To have two, you would have to be in the 50k+ bracket. For 3, 65k+, and so on and so forth.

Assuming this was thoroughly enforced, it would be an amazingly powerful step in reducing crime and raising the national IQ and quality of life.

It wouldn't necessarily be difficult to enforce in and of itself, but I expect the resistance would be fear. Liberals would whine moronically about "human rights", while libertarians and conservatives would complain about the government turning the country into Communist China. Anyways, assuming the resistance could be overcome effectively with propaganda, the reproductive license could be enforced through the use prison sentences and mandatory adoptions. For instance, if someone illegally has a baby at home and is caught, their baby would be given up for adoption and they'd risk a prison sentence of several years. To encourage compliance, birth control, condoms, and morning-after pills would be subsidized and readily available.



Wishful thinking, of course, and the fact that democratic society can't implement good ideas like this is exactly why I'd like some type of authoritarian regime in place.

I just wanted to say your posts are really interesting. Then I remember you are a middle class black guy and they get even more interesting.

But heres the sad news that the lefties blatantly ignore. Death helps no one. A limitation on life helps no one. Unless you're China where there is a stranglehold on resources due to near unquenchable masses then there is simply no practical benefit to curbing population.

The purpose of curbing population is to

a) save resources
b) be less of an overall strain on our planet.

The assumption that us of the western world doing it is a good idea also takes as granted that the middle east and the big three in Asia (Russia, China, India) will do it as well. This is virtual suicide, allowing the gradual but inevitable death of our cultured by way of being devoured. How are the birthrates of british compared to their middle eastern immigrants? What is the fastest growing religion in the world. Good God man, the most idyllic situation in the world aint going to help much when war occurs, our culture is destroyed, and our sons pray to Allah. Don't forget Pizza, the best IQ's don't help make the world a better place.

Whats necessary are values, not sheer intellect. Ethical principles, not the apotheosis of mental capability.

And morality, values, goodness, altruism... those can NEVER be obtained by coercion. You need to understand that government cannot solve the problems of humanity, it can only help facilitate its will. And "when it becomes destructive of these ends it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it."

[-Fuck-]

Originally Posted by Professor Oak

I'm helping a friend do a paper on over-population for her class at tech, and I really don't know where to start with research and whatnot. I don't want to just aimlessly Google around because I feel like I won't get the whole idea, ya dig? She had to choose a problem, and she chose over-population, and she now has to come up with a solution to the problem. So we need a lot of information on this shit. Wheres a good place to start? If you guys have some videos or articles/anything really to help out that would be sweet, but I really just want some general ideas of what to look for on this subject, and where to look.

You probably wont want to preache the solution in school because you'll get laughed at so hard. Thats why you "need a lot of information" because what most people wanna hear, is a lot of bullshit.

The solution to overpopulation is the direct application of the discovery of Les Brown, the pyramid man. A 30 foot pyramid shaped greenhouse built out of nothing but wood and glass (to the exact dimensions of the great pyramid of giza) with 3 floors allowed him to grow food on average 36 times as much as anyone else using the same area of land. Thus, after retiring from a fashion designer he was self sufficient, completely.

The breatharians have it one step further, for some people, if their will to live is strong enough, seem to give up food altogether.

One could always "solve the problem" by using fruits or raw food, instead of... well if you think about it overpopulation ISNT the problem, pollution is.

But the funny thing that happens with fruitarianism is one will keep losing weight, waste, and start feeling like the process of eating is actually kind of... a joke. All the fruits can do is detox one and for most people this is uncomfortable especially in a country surrounded by fat fucks and unsupportive, fat family.

In other words: Spiritual Masters run off to the woods because theyre tired of everyone's stupidity. No one actually wants to solve overpopulation, cure cancer, or anything because no one wants to make changes in their own life

Have fun telling the class that. I dont think youll fit in too well.

Anyone who talks about saving the planet, and cannot see what they do has a direct effect, is just clowning themselves.

[Firemind]

Originally Posted by -Fuck-

You probably wont want to preache the solution in school because you'll get laughed at so hard. Thats why you "need a lot of information" because what most people wanna hear, is a lot of bullshit.

The solution to overpopulation is the direct application of the discovery of Les Brown, the pyramid man. A 30 foot pyramid shaped greenhouse built out of nothing but wood and glass (to the exact dimensions of the great pyramid of giza) with 3 floors allowed him to grow food on average 36 times as much as anyone else using the same area of land. Thus, after retiring from a fashion designer he was self sufficient, completely.

The breatharians have it one step further, for some people, if their will to live is strong enough, seem to give up food altogether.

One could always "solve the problem" by using fruits or raw food, instead of... well if you think about it overpopulation ISNT the problem, pollution is.

But the funny thing that happens with fruitarianism is one will keep losing weight, waste, and start feeling like the process of eating is actually kind of... a joke. All the fruits can do is detox one and for most people this is uncomfortable especially in a country surrounded by fat fucks and unsupportive, fat family.

In other words: Spiritual Masters run off to the woods because theyre tired of everyone's stupidity. No one actually wants to solve overpopulation, cure cancer, or anything because no one wants to make changes in their own life

Have fun telling the class that. I dont think youll fit in too well.

Anyone who talks about saving the planet, and cannot see what they do has a direct effect, is just clowning themselves.

Consumption. Humans now do what we don't need therefore humanity is the problem.