The winds are changing and earth lets out a roar

[Ouroboros]

In response to my drunken bout on the subject of 2012

How is it not obvious to the majority that were simply running out of time. Not only are we running out of resources but we are running out of room, reason, and technology is showing us that we are on the verge of something quite strange indeed, yet most people are still stuck with a lack of understanding. Is it possible that the only thing that can save us is the instillment of chaos through severe and abrupt, cataclysmic change? Do we need to simply (well not simply) lose most of the population and start anew? Will this lead to a Darwinian utopia of sorts (play fallout 3 lol)

Mother nature needs an Aenima (Ya, fuck you, I like Tool) What is it that can happen that has relevance or essentially newness. I speculate that only 3 things could occur. The understanding of time travel/manipulation which in itself could cause a paradox. The discovery of space travel through whatever means including cryogenic mass distance travel. Finally the introduction of alien life. This would cause all the newness in the world to come right on out to play, everything would change.

The earth is quickly changing into a sulky mother, her children are being very bad indeed. Im not preaching “save the earth” shit im saying that that’s not possible. Something very big seems to be on the horizon and for some reason as we get closer to 2012 strange things are surely happening. Are we creating our own end...

Does the answer lay in consciousness? Religion? Is there no answer?

If the majority of people knew what was truly coming there would be panic! What do the “higher ups” Truly fucking know.

When is this change going to occur and what should we do to prepare.

Will we be left dumbfounded, happier, live or dead


And of course.....does it really matter?


Proof:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...o_2000.svg.png

So its not a problem that our population is growing at an exponential rate. It may be a beautiful Tuesday afternoon for you but what about that exteremely large percent of impoverished, poor, underdeveloped peoples.


It may or may not be 2012, that in all possibility it has (like religion) just been hammered into minds and exposed by the media. But that doesn't mean that strange ass things are happening and could happen.The general uplift and subsidence of the Yellowstone caldera is of scientific importance and will continue to be monitored closely by YVO and other leading organizations but what if that goes. The activity is truly overdue.

Oh and this....

http://neo.jpl.nasa.gov/apophis/

and...

http://www.space.com/scienceastronom..._activity.html

oh and this...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_warfare

how about...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grey_goo

ooooh and ever heard of the web bot project?
http://socioecohistory.wordpress.com...llar-collapse/

[Dionysus]

I assume nothing will happen but a self fuffiling prophesy of people losing their shit over a date followed by buisness as usual a month later. In the back of my slightly unbalanced mind I kind of agree with Mckanna, but for all intents and purposes I think that is more of an indulgence than the actual reality of the situation.

[Really Awesome Nickname]

[youtube]tSc7wHWarzc[/youtube]

[LiquidIce]

OP, you are engaging in what is know as self-psychosis as well as confirmation bias and many other things. Do you have any real evidence, evidence that can be empirically proven about this great change thing? Because hey, if the changes are material/physical, why doesn't physics come into play ie. give us empirical proof?

You're just blabbering, but nothing will happen. We're set too well on this world and the only thing that could destroy us is either ourselves or some great catastrophe, and for the latter we have no evidence of occuring any time soon.

And no, it is not obvious we are running out of time. It's a beautiful tuesday morning where I am, the rain is falling on the apple trees (I live in an orchard now) and life seems great.

[Ouroboros]

Proof:
http://aylluinitiative.files.wordpre...h-to-20501.jpg

So its not a problem that our population is growing at an exponential rate. It may be a beautiful Tuesday afternoon for you but what about that exteremely large percent of impoverished, poor, underdeveloped peoples.


It may or may not be 2012, that in all possibility it has (like religion) just been hammered into minds and exposed by the media. But that doesn't mean that strange ass things are happening and could happen.The general uplift and subsidence of the Yellowstone caldera is of scientific importance and will continue to be monitored closely by YVO and other leading organizations but what if that goes. The activity is truly overdue.

Oh and this....

http://neo.jpl.nasa.gov/apophis/

and...

http://www.space.com/scienceastronom..._activity.html

oh and this...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_warfare

how about...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grey_goo

ooooh and ever heard of the web bot project?
http://socioecohistory.wordpress.com...llar-collapse/

[Ouroboros]

On the subject of your psychoanalysis of my persona based on the my text: i applaud your specious comeback and wholeheartedly hope that you awaken to the truth.

[Ouroboros]

Originally Posted by Caesar

I assume nothing will happen but a self fuffiling prophesy of people losing their shit over a date followed by buisness as usual a month later. In the back of my slightly unbalanced mind I kind of agree with Mckanna, but for all intents and purposes I think that is more of an indulgence than the actual reality of the situation.

Always a possibility but why is it that so many coincidences are occurring at once, not just subliminal instillment of subconscious phenomena either.

[Erorr]

Originally Posted by Ouroboros

Always a possibility but why is it that so many coincidences are occurring at once, not just subliminal instillment of subconscious phenomena either.

If you look for a pattern you will find one.

Doesnt mean its significant.

[Ouroboros]

Originally Posted by Erorr

If you look for a pattern you will find one.

Doesnt mean its significant.

I'm not schizophrenic, I see patterns that acctualy exist.

[Erorr]

Originally Posted by Ouroboros

I'm not schizophrenic, I see patterns that acctualy exist.

I completely get what your saying , How were completely ignorant and uninterested in the preservation of our species. How we all sustain ourselves off resources that are going to vanish soon and the fact that we have no backup plan. We are so close minded to the reality of how thin the line is between our collapse.

As far as "why is it that so many coincidences are occurring at once, not just subliminal instillment of subconscious phenomena either." goes .... Idk. If your looking for a pattern , you will find it. This world of ours has always been chaotic. There is no coincidences as far as our impact , that shit clearly happened and we let it happen.

[Ouroboros]

Originally Posted by Erorr

As far as "why is it that so many coincidences are occurring at once, not just subliminal instillment of subconscious phenomena either." goes .... Idk. If your looking for a pattern , you will find it. This world of ours has always been chaotic. There is no coincidences as far as our impact , that shit clearly happened and we let it happen.

Its not just a pattern though, its the way it is. The question im proposing is whats the next step or are we that close to top yet still unable to see over the hill. IS there anything we can do to prepare or spread awareness...or is everyone to lazy to do anything about it. Somethings happening, somethings coming, were on the verge of the climax!

[Erorr]

Originally Posted by Ouroboros

Its not just a pattern though, its the way it is. The question im proposing is whats the next step or are we that close to top yet still unable to see over the hill. IS there anything we can do to prepare or spread awareness...or is everyone to lazy to do anything about it. Somethings happening, somethings coming, were on the verge of the climax!

I think were capable of keeping society in tact , I see rough days ahead for the economy though , If anything I see ourselves progressing slowly to avoid the sudden change being taken in with hostility. Were just so accustom to this way of life that having any less or altering this plush style would cause alot of friction and uproar.

Idk , To be honest my brain hurts right now from that bastard mdma , ill come back to this when my heads not clouded with static.

[Ouroboros]

Originally Posted by Erorr

I think were capable of keeping society in tact , I see rough days ahead for the economy though , If anything I see ourselves progressing slowly to avoid the sudden change being taken in with hostility. Were just so accustom to this way of life that having any less or altering this plush style would cause alot of friction and uproar.

Idk , To be honest my brain hurts right now from that bastard mdma , ill come back to this when my heads not clouded with static.

Thanks for the input from a non dickhead perspective

And i agree that as you say "it would cause alot of friction and uproar"...sudden and rapid change

[Dumpster Slut]

fail tirade is fail

[Ouroboros]

Originally Posted by Dumpster Slut sucks dick

fail tirade is fail

inglish bee gud foor rytingh thyngs

[ergoat]

Originally Posted by BurningChrome

And no, it is not obvious we are running out of time. It's a beautiful tuesday morning where I am, the rain is falling on the apple trees (I live in an orchard now) and life seems great.

I definitely agree with this. Only it's Wednesday now and I don't live in an orchard (that must be sweet).

That's not to say I don't see problems in the world. You'd have to be blind or extremely optimistic. I don't see a necessary correlation between negative happenings and some cataclysmic finale to life as we know it. You know how long people have predicting the end for? Too long for me to take it seriously.

Now of course there are people less fortunate than myself, and I don't feel so great about their lives being that way, trapped by disease or poverty. I don't have a solution for that, so I'm going to enjoy my life as it is.

That might sound selfish, and maybe it is, but if we're looking at world crisis I think you have to look at overconsumption in tandem with overpopulation. There has been research that shows a correlation between economic development and population growth, and that when the former rises the latter drops.

So if I'm to have a contribution it's going to have to be something a little bit better than sponsoring a World Vision child or donating to Oxfam biannually. And then the question is: do I give enough of a shit to put in the effort?

Maybe a little bit tangential, but I think if you're just going to cite a bunch of problems with the world as proof that something big is going to happen, you should actually look at the issues themselves in some depth.

[Firemind]

Originally Posted by Ouroboros

In response to my drunken bout on the subject of 2012

How is it not obvious to the majority that were simply running out of time. Not only are we running out of resources but we are running out of room, reason, and technology is showing us that we are on the verge of something quite strange indeed, yet most people are still stuck with a lack of understanding. Is it possible that the only thing that can save us is the instillment of chaos through severe and abrupt, cataclysmic change? Do we need to simply (well not simply) lose most of the population and start anew? Will this lead to a Darwinian utopia of sorts (play fallout 3 lol)

Mother nature needs an Aenima (Ya, fuck you, I like Tool) What is it that can happen that has relevance or essentially newness. I speculate that only 3 things could occur. The understanding of time travel/manipulation which in itself could cause a paradox. The discovery of space travel through whatever means including cryogenic mass distance travel. Finally the introduction of alien life. This would cause all the newness in the world to come right on out to play, everything would change.

The earth is quickly changing into a sulky mother, her children are being very bad indeed. Im not preaching “save the earth” shit im saying that that’s not possible. Something very big seems to be on the horizon and for some reason as we get closer to 2012 strange things are surely happening. Are we creating our own end...

Does the answer lay in consciousness? Religion? Is there no answer?

If the majority of people knew what was truly coming there would be panic! What do the “higher ups” Truly fucking know.

When is this change going to occur and what should we do to prepare.

Will we be left dumbfounded, happier, live or dead


And of course.....does it really matter?


Proof:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...o_2000.svg.png

So its not a problem that our population is growing at an exponential rate. It may be a beautiful Tuesday afternoon for you but what about that exteremely large percent of impoverished, poor, underdeveloped peoples.


It may or may not be 2012, that in all possibility it has (like religion) just been hammered into minds and exposed by the media. But that doesn't mean that strange ass things are happening and could happen.The general uplift and subsidence of the Yellowstone caldera is of scientific importance and will continue to be monitored closely by YVO and other leading organizations but what if that goes. The activity is truly overdue.

Oh and this....

http://neo.jpl.nasa.gov/apophis/

and...

http://www.space.com/scienceastronom..._activity.html

oh and this...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_warfare

how about...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grey_goo

ooooh and ever heard of the web bot project?
http://socioecohistory.wordpress.com...llar-collapse/

I'm gonna like talking to you man.
Apophis... ah that would shatter the earth.
And you realize earth cannot be "saved" so that means I have little to explain. This is a self fulfilled prophesy.

The bible is the only evidence. Something is setting it up so that humanity is destroyed in the same manner of the Revelations. Of course it will not be hallucinogenic, but it will be fucked up and 90% of humans won't know.
It becomes suspicious especially when they use Christianity and Islam to manipulate most of the people on the eastern part of the planet. Then western once they make contact. Then brainwashed and enslaved(to kill they're brothers) to build objects in reverence of they're goal.(that we helped them with, we should have rebelled)
They can laugh in your face in the end, waving the bible in your face which you idolize so... that detailed exactly what humans would do for for them.

But that is "only" a theory I don't have as much evidence as I have for others. And this one is borderline fanaticism.

What allowed the world to get like this, is the ingrained hypocrisy you see everyday, gods in ties and suits tossing shit to the children ever-consuming growing in to mentally retarded adults that in turn regulate the future. It can only get worse with society and it's "growth". As every society I've seen(tribal aside) is malignant to itself and everything else. Earth was not meant to handle life forms like "this".

EDIT:
Yellowstone is controlled. They are slowly draining the volcano of the magma. I don't know what the fuck they are doing with it though...? I haven't deduced that yet, also I'd need more information.

[0omnidirectional]

Originally Posted by BurningChrome

OP, you are engaging in what is know as self-psychosis as well as confirmation bias and many other things. Do you have any real evidence, evidence that can be empirically proven about this great change thing? Because hey, if the changes are material/physical, why doesn't physics come into play ie. give us empirical proof?

[YOUTUBE]STqkZR2PSR4&feature=channel[/YOUTUBE]

[Rizzo in a box]

The world will end when I say it can. Now off you go, no more worries.

[LiquidIce]

Originally Posted by 0omnidirectional

[YOUTUBE]STqkZR2PSR4&feature=channel[/YOUTUBE]

I will watch and reply to that when I get my own place next week. 51 minutes... god damn, you just had to set me up the bomb, didn't ya?

[0omnidirectional]

Originally Posted by BurningChrome

I will watch and reply to that when I get my own place next week. 51 minutes... god damn, you just had to set me up the bomb, didn't ya?

The part I'm mainly dealing with here is the first 15 min of that video.

[Stinger]

Originally Posted by Electroponic

[youtube]tSc7wHWarzc[/youtube]

Yeah, this is my favorite end o' the world song:

[youtube]GDIR9XmvFdE[/youtube]

[FrY]

Originally Posted by 0omnidirectional

[YOUTUBE]STqkZR2PSR4&feature=channel[/YOUTUBE]

Lol that guy thinks he is Edgar Cayce.

[Reality Apologist]

For a pattern to be a real one, you need to be able to make predictions based on looking at it. That is, you need to be able to say with high confidence how the system that the putative pattern appears in will change over time, and you need to be able to do it with less than complete information--you need to be able to do it just by looking at the pattern itself, not the bitmap of the system. Exactly what prediction are you making on the basis of the pattern you claim to have identified? "Something will happen in 2012" doesn't count as a prediction: it is too vague to be informative. If you cannot make a specific prediction, you have not identified a real pattern.

[Rizzo in a box]

Originally Posted by Reality Apologist

For a pattern to be a real one, you need to be able to make predictions based on looking at it. That is, you need to be able to say with high confidence how the system that the putative pattern appears in will change over time, and you need to be able to do it with less than complete information--you need to be able to do it just by looking at the pattern itself, not the bitmap of the system. Exactly what prediction are you making on the basis of the pattern you claim to have identified? "Something will happen in 2012" doesn't count as a prediction: it is too vague to be informative. If you cannot make a specific prediction, you have not identified a real pattern.

If anything, it almost says the exact opposite: that you're seeing some sort of error or abnormality in already present patterns.

[Reality Apologist]

Originally Posted by Rizzo in a box

If anything, it almost says the exact opposite: that you're seeing some sort of error or abnormality in already present patterns.

I don't understand: what says that? Do you mean that not being able to make reliable predictions means that you've identified cases in which existing patterns break down? That's definitely right, and that's often the first step toward identifying a new real pattern. Still, the identification of the anomaly doesn't itself count as identifying the pattern that explains the anomaly: Newton (and everyone else) knew that his equations of motion failed to accurately predict Mercury's orbit, but they didn't know why. It wasn't until Einstein identified another set of real patterns--more robust real patterns--that the anomaly was actually explained. Just seeing that Newton's patterns broke down in some cases didn't count as formulating general relativity.

[Ouroboros]

Originally Posted by FrY

Lol that guy thinks he is Edgar Cayce.

Lol, why do you say that? Edgar cayce couldnt:

>remember anything

>was illiterate

>a country bumpkin (not to mean he wasnt an astonishing one)