Does diphenhydramine work for opiate users?

[General Butt.Naked]

FUCK. I took another 4mg tonight before bed for a total of 16mg...and i still feel like my muscles hurt and i need more. Shit. Yeah I really didnt want to be stuck on a long acting opiate. Ive had to take 5 hot showers tonight just to be able to sit still here in front of the comp. But yeah it was definitely 16mg. I did one whole and still felt shitty, but i might just not have waited long enough. after i put the other 4mg under my tongue for a few min, i felt just right, so i figured that maybe that was my dose, being as big as i am. But how are bupe withdrawals compared to smack?

[ilovechronic]

Originally Posted by CASPER

FUCK. I took another 4mg tonight before bed for a total of 16mg...and i still feel like my muscles hurt and i need more. Shit. Yeah I really didnt want to be stuck on a long acting opiate. Ive had to take 5 hot showers tonight just to be able to sit still here in front of the comp. But yeah it was definitely 16mg. I did one whole and still felt shitty, but i might just not have waited long enough. after i put the other 4mg under my tongue for a few min, i felt just right, so i figured that maybe that was my dose, being as big as i am. But how are bupe withdrawals compared to smack?

well bupe withdrawals just last a long time that is the problem. I told you you may feel that muscle pain for a couple days, I get that also but only in my legs. Youll be alright man. It seems like you psych your self out alot TBH.

Heres the thing. If you take bupe for a long time you will become dependant and the withdrawals are different in duration. If you take the bupe and wean off quickly within 21 days w/d wont be bad. I have been there in the cycle between full mu agonists and bupe when I dont have it and it is no fucking good.
Use bupe if you actually want to quit. If you have to you can use it as a tool to feel normal whe you dont have full agonists but I can tell you from experience and IIRC I have told you quite a few times that cycle is no good for you.
I dont like to take this position but once your hooked to opiate/opioid agonists and selling all your shit you have went to far.

[General Butt.Naked]

I know its gone too far. Its been six years now. I don't have anything left. I want to be clean, but the psychological dent its made in me is large. Im convinced that the problems that I used dope to cover up will come back. I KNOW at this point I cant quit without bupe or done'....but done sounds more scary. I mean i KNOW im gonna have to go back to junk in a few days, only because i have so few pills, but if i can just get down to a low enough dose i think I might be able to ween off the dope itself (famous last words, right?)

How long have you been on bupe for? And how long were u addicted for?

[ilovechronic]

Originally Posted by CASPER

I know its gone too far. Its been six years now. I don't have anything left. I want to be clean, but the psychological dent its made in me is large. Im convinced that the problems that I used dope to cover up will come back. I KNOW at this point I cant quit without bupe or done'....but done sounds more scary. I mean i KNOW im gonna have to go back to junk in a few days, only because i have so few pills, but if i can just get down to a low enough dose i think I might be able to ween off the dope itself (famous last words, right?)

How long have you been on bupe for? And how long were u addicted for?

I have been on bupe for like a year. prescribed 2mgs per day every 30 days. But I only took 1mg and then i worked up to 2 mg. Now I have worked back downto 1 mg over the past few months.
I was on morphine for like a year straight about 100mgs a day sometimes 200. I did black taron and off. I would take bupe in between illicitly when I didnt have other opiates. Overall I have used opiates for like 4-5 years.
I will never let my morals go out the window with opiates. I would rather suffer than make someone else suffer by pullingjunky scams. I could never sell my shit either. My most valuble things are my firearms and that just isnt going to happen.
I never let my tolerance get out of control.

For a while I had a supply of mdone which was illicit but I maintained on 30-50mgs per day for a month and a half. Withdrawals frommdone are NOT as bad as people make them out to be. They may be bad for some people but compared to coming off h or morphine it wasnt as bad. It took 5 days to actually feel w/d which makes sense. Then it took over a month and a half to actually feel somewhat normal and even then I went back to doing tar a little or about 50 mgs of oxy or morphine. I could do a gram in a day before I switched to bupe.
I think you are expecting way to much out of the bupe and that is why you keep having to take big doses. I can tell you from experience that with bupe less is more. The higher the dose the higher the antagonism.
Taking double or tripple the dose never gave me any more of a buzz it just wasted my bupe.
I guess I am unusual according to my doc because most patients need atleast 8mgs but i think its just because thats what the doc gives them.
long acting pain meds generally cause a long and drawn out w/d syndrome. short acting pain meds generally cause a short but intense w/d period.
If you want to quit then goto a doctor man. For me a habit on bupe is way cheaper than a habit on street dope. You can get on maintainance you fear you will relapse thats why i have been on it so long.
Also, 8mgs doesn't relieve any more cravings compared to 2 mgs forme.

[General Butt.Naked]

Damn. Yeah i was up until 9 this morning....i decided that that would be my "morning dose" and took 4mg, and it got me to sleep somehow. I got $80 yesterday, so im really tempted to go score some black, just to see if itd help get me to sleep at ALL tonight- even for 15 of nod, i know id fall asleep. I guess even if its only a few days, it feels nice to not have that dopey feeling. But I don't have insurance or shit...which is why ive been dodging the ER for a week now. I have to buy all my shit from people who have it prescribed to them. Theres a methadone program really close, but to me thats just the same as taper off heroin itself....i guess it WOULD be cheaper though. I don't know why im even stressing on dosages and shit...the pills will be gone in two days and then ill have to figure out shit all over again. Yeah Ive sold most of my guns. Theyre probably not the best thing to have around here most of the time anyway. Im thinking of going back to the health clinic and trying to talk them into giving me some clonodine, muscle relaxers and sleeping pills for the next few days. And one person i talked to said he has to redose every 8 hours or so...is that about the schedule the doc gives? One morning, one mid-day, one before bed?

[General Butt.Naked]

Strange....I was just in the kitchen and all of a sudden something hit me like a ton of bricks. I couldn't stand anymore. It felt like i just shot a thick 2g shot of heroin. Im still getting like tingles down my spine and im nodding like fuckign crazy. Feels amazing though- what gives?

[ilovechronic]

Originally Posted by CASPER

Strange....I was just in the kitchen and all of a sudden something hit me like a ton of bricks. I couldn't stand anymore. It felt like i just shot a thick 2g shot of heroin. Im still getting like tingles down my spine and im nodding like fuckign crazy. Feels amazing though- what gives?

I nod from bupe sometimes. You also sound a bit sleep deprived. You should nt really have problems sleeping withbupe. But I always took unisom or other antihistamines and could fall asleep easy. When I switched to bupe for the wait my doc gave me 6 phenobarbital and 6 clonidine.
My doc now gives me vistaril or hydroxyzine which works well for sleep and has an anti anxiety effect also. I dont take it eveyrday though.
For me bupe even at 1 mgs make me content man. It doesnt do it for everyone. Especially if you are expecting a high. That buzz wears off after a few days and you pretty much feel normal. But I do nod from time to time, they only say it promotes less euphoria after all. Also one of its active metabolites is a full agonist so euphoria could be relative to that.

If you dont have muchmoney I wouldnt spend it on dope you should use it towards supplies to detox and get clean.
You have to wait 24 hours atleast for you to really even feel the dope espeacially withhow muchbupe you have been putting away.
18mgs will probably be in you for 72 hours.
Some people canstill get high after using bupe but most cant at those monster doses. You will end up wasting your money and feeling frustrated.

remember nutrition is IMPORTANT. You should get on a flaxseed oil and multivitamin regime even while you are using.

[General Butt.Naked]

The pain still hasnt gone away. My stomach is all bloated somehow, even though i havent eaten in over a week. Havent shit in a week. That feeling in my stomach feels like im toting around a 40 gallon jug of water. The sleeplessness is the worst part. Hearing voices and shit. Im only getting like an hour of sleep at a time, and my body is just physically exhausted. Lot of puking. Yeah today i just did 4mg, and then 4mg at about 1am. Tomorrow ill try to go lower. Lol...the 18mg (what turned into 20) was probably a bit overboard...but its hard to get away from that junkie mentality. On the upside, pretty much all the muscle fatigue and stuff i was feeling yesterday is gone. I feel just normal now. So hopefully Ill be inclined to smaller doses. Im trying to drink Ensure and stuff, but i can't hold it down for too long.

I decided against buying dope today. Lol...my dealer called to see if something was wrong- hadn't seen me in a few days. For now Im trying to be reasonable- Im not gonna say that Ill NEVER do opiates again. Stuff like that seems to make whatever it is a sort of "forbidden fruit" in your mind, and that much more enticing. I think knowing what I know now, even if i did heroin again, i would construct some process whereby it would be absolutely impossible to get shit often. Im contemplating cleaning this room out and deleting my phone numbers....but im not quite there yet. I don't think I can ever go back to being an addict. Just the way people look at you and...well...i don't have to tell you.

Im gonna try to get some kind of multivitamin tomorrow, and hopefully that'll put an end to the hallucinations and general unpleasantness. Ive got 5 1/2 pills left, so im gonna try to devise some quick tapering regimen for the next couple days. Ive still only taken the subutex. The suboxone is orange and frightening (lol). I still have this deep subconcious idea that If i take one ill be thrown into spine-shatteringly painful ptwd's. Hahahaha. Idiocy, i know. Id put the little money i have into stuff to get clean, but i don't know of anything else around here besides methadone. I guess the switch from bupe to 'done would be a breeze- and they have some kind of detox program that you can do for $20. Its like a week long thing. I don't trust those docs too much though for some reason...they really don't give a shit whether or not someone's in pain, so long as they get the result theyre looking for.

Anyway,I can't tell you how grateful I am Chronic, for your help the last couple days. It helps to talk to someone who's been there already. Ill try to keep updating for a while as the process goes on. Ive got my fingers crossed.

And I meant what I said in all seriousness motherfuckers...you come to LA when ive got a little money in my pocket, and I will make sure that youre all fucked up out of your minds before you leave. Except that one dude who called me....way to blow it NARC. "How much for a ki?" lulz.

[ilovechronic]

Originally Posted by CASPER

The pain still hasnt gone away. My stomach is all bloated somehow, even though i havent eaten in over a week. Havent shit in a week. That feeling in my stomach feels like im toting around a 40 gallon jug of water. The sleeplessness is the worst part. Hearing voices and shit. Im only getting like an hour of sleep at a time, and my body is just physically exhausted. Lot of puking. Yeah today i just did 4mg, and then 4mg at about 1am. Tomorrow ill try to go lower. Lol...the 18mg (what turned into 20) was probably a bit overboard...but its hard to get away from that junkie mentality. On the upside, pretty much all the muscle fatigue and stuff i was feeling yesterday is gone. I feel just normal now. So hopefully Ill be inclined to smaller doses. Im trying to drink Ensure and stuff, but i can't hold it down for too long.

I decided against buying dope today. Lol...my dealer called to see if something was wrong- hadn't seen me in a few days. For now Im trying to be reasonable- Im not gonna say that Ill NEVER do opiates again. Stuff like that seems to make whatever it is a sort of "forbidden fruit" in your mind, and that much more enticing. I think knowing what I know now, even if i did heroin again, i would construct some process whereby it would be absolutely impossible to get shit often. Im contemplating cleaning this room out and deleting my phone numbers....but im not quite there yet. I don't think I can ever go back to being an addict. Just the way people look at you and...well...i don't have to tell you.

Im gonna try to get some kind of multivitamin tomorrow, and hopefully that'll put an end to the hallucinations and general unpleasantness. Ive got 5 1/2 pills left, so im gonna try to devise some quick tapering regimen for the next couple days. Ive still only taken the subutex. The suboxone is orange and frightening (lol). I still have this deep subconcious idea that If i take one ill be thrown into spine-shatteringly painful ptwd's. Hahahaha. Idiocy, i know. Id put the little money i have into stuff to get clean, but i don't know of anything else around here besides methadone. I guess the switch from bupe to 'done would be a breeze- and they have some kind of detox program that you can do for $20. Its like a week long thing. I don't trust those docs too much though for some reason...they really don't give a shit whether or not someone's in pain, so long as they get the result theyre looking for.

Anyway,I can't tell you how grateful I am Chronic, for your help the last couple days. It helps to talk to someone who's been there already. Ill try to keep updating for a while as the process goes on. Ive got my fingers crossed.

And I meant what I said in all seriousness motherfuckers...you come to LA when ive got a little money in my pocket, and I will make sure that youre all fucked up out of your minds before you leave. Except that one dude who called me....way to blow it NARC. "How much for a ki?" lulz.

Dont be scared of the suboxones. You will be fine. They dont taste good but you can snort them also. I would rather have the chalk taste then orange.
The ensure is a good idea. Yeah I don't really get why your having issues still with your gut. I think you may have some kind of underlying condition. You should get that looked at. Even if you don't have insurance your state probably has some sort of state funded medical program.

I am glad I could help.
I was just suggesting you dont spend what money you have on dope because I KNOW FOR SURE you will regret it when you run out and wish you listened to me. I dont expect you to hold out forever but if you have held out this long you can atleast hold out until you run out of bupe.

I dont know if you smoke bud but that is an example of something that could help that you can buy.
-antihistamines can help with the nausea and sleep
-weed also helps with the nausea but only use that if you use it often becaus eit could have negatives.
-Lopermide.
-Benzos(however I dont really suggest them because it is easy to trade addictions with those but if you can take them for just a few days then it is ok) Save the benzos until you run out of bupe.
Make sure you a getting alot of water also man even if you are puking.
Like I said, stay away from red meat as a source of protein.

Seriously I am not sure if all your symptoms are w/d related, wernt you the one that said you were have abominal pain anyway?

Stay away from weaker opioids once you run out of bupe because you will just have to restart the whole process.
Remember if you relapse and spend your money on dope you will just have to restart this the next day when your out of dope.

[General Butt.Naked]

No heroin for 5 days.

Well thats a lie- haven't gotten HIGH in 5 days.