SHTF - Trading in lieu of currency

[BlackHat]

Originally Posted by The Savage

Australia. chewing tobacco and snuff are both illegal here.

Jesus, every time I cutback chewing I want to stomp a puppy.

If the government ever banned chew I would make Hurricane Katrina look like a rabbit fart

[5.56 SS109]

Bottle caps

[ZX9R]

Originally Posted by QMA

Exactly, are you in South Florida? Have you ever had to deal with the BSO? Holy god, they must be the worst cops I have ever seen (the ones I have dealt with).

Tampa Bay.

LE is not that bad from my experience.

But I don't interact with them that often.

[Nelokjer]

Originally Posted by Runaway_Stapler

When you got your six pieces,
you gotta get rid of them.
It's no good leaving it in the freezer for your mum to discover.
Then I hear the best thing to do is feed them to pigs.
You gotta starve the pigs for a few days...
...then the chopped-up body will look like curry to a pisshead.
You gotta shave the heads of your victims and pull the teeth out...
...for the piggies' digestion.
You could do this afterwards, of course...
...but you don't want to sieve through pigshit, do you?
They will go through bone like butter.
You need at least 15 pigs to finish the job in one sitting...
...so be wary of any man who keeps a pig farm.
They will go through a body that weighs 200 pounds...
...in about eight minutes.
That means that a single pig...
...can consume two pounds of uncooked flesh...
...every minute.
Hence the expression...
..."as greedy as a pig".

Remember though, this is SHTF; just scorch the hair to get the bulk off, and smash the jar with a bat; pigs'll eat it.

[Tetcht Seckum]

The rabbits idea was good, but bad too.

Humans cannot survive on rabbits. Homesteaders in the area I grew up routinely died of starvation on a diet of rabbits (cottontails, and even the ever abundant and ever larger jacks) due to lack of necessary nutrients in them. If you ever skin and eat a rabbit, the only meat that is really worth anything off of it is the backstraps, and by the time they are cooked and done its akin to about two pieces of bacon. You won't live long on that.

They called it "rabbit starvation" come to think of it. You would be wise to include traps in your set up and the knowledge of trapping, for food and warm fur. More wild animals are edible than you imagine. Try some beaver with noodles or some bear jerky sometime.

Oh, don't forget a good field manual on edible and medicinal plants.

[The Savage]

Originally Posted by 5.56 SS109

Bottle caps

Morrowind pwnt oblivion and oblivion pwnt fallout 3

*Strikes 5.56 down with one mighty blow of teh enchanted black hand dagger*

[ComradeAsh]

Originally Posted by 5.56 SS109

Bottle caps

FUCK.

I came here to say precisely this.

[Irukanji]

I'd say rabbits and chickens. Chickens eat any vegetable scraps, and eggs are easy to cook/sell or eat raw. Rabbits are obviously good for the fur, which can be used to make clothing, etc.

I'd suggest having(in stock) a means to grow potatos, onions and carrots, as these all taste good and people will be short of fresh vegetables. Also suggest having a large selection of herb, tomato, capsicum, beans, pumpkin, etc seeds.

[QMA]

Originally Posted by The Savage

Australia. chewing tobacco and snuff are both illegal here.

Don't worry, you aren't missing out on much. You feel like shit when you are chewing it, and you feel like shit when you aren't.

I have tried all sorts of retarded things, and the only thing that has ever been addictive to me has been dip.

Originally Posted by ZX9R

Tampa Bay.

LE is not that bad from my experience.

But I don't interact with them that often.

When I was sixteen, I was in college (dual enrollment) and I was taken to their dumbass office several times. Then they would call my home and then let me out, and I'd be late for class.

Then I started driving, and they busted me for having tint that was too dark.

Then I was robbed, and they kept all my valuables as "evidence". Took me a year to get some of the stuff back. I still haven't gotten my AK or my Browning.

Originally Posted by Tetcht Seckum

The rabbits idea was good, but bad too.

Humans cannot survive on rabbits. Homesteaders in the area I grew up routinely died of starvation on a diet of rabbits (cottontails, and even the ever abundant and ever larger jacks) due to lack of necessary nutrients in them. If you ever skin and eat a rabbit, the only meat that is really worth anything off of it is the backstraps, and by the time they are cooked and done its akin to about two pieces of bacon. You won't live long on that.

They called it "rabbit starvation" come to think of it. You would be wise to include traps in your set up and the knowledge of trapping, for food and warm fur. More wild animals are edible than you imagine. Try some beaver with noodles or some bear jerky sometime.

Oh, don't forget a good field manual on edible and medicinal plants.

We got cattails, waterlilies and some plants that look like daisies and taste like spinach in abundance. Those three plants alone are a pretty nutritious diet.

[ilovechronic]

Originally Posted by QMA

Don't worry, you aren't missing out on much. You feel like shit when you are chewing it, and you feel like shit when you aren't.

I have tried all sorts of retarded things, and the only thing that has ever been addictive to me has been dip.



When I was sixteen, I was in college (dual enrollment) and I was taken to their dumbass office several times. Then they would call my home and then let me out, and I'd be late for class.

Then I started driving, and they busted me for having tint that was too dark.

Then I was robbed, and they kept all my valuables as "evidence". Took me a year to get some of the stuff back. I still haven't gotten my AK or my Browning.



We got cattails, waterlilies and some plants that look like daisies and taste like spinach in abundance. Those three plants alone are a pretty nutritious diet.

You can't live without fat and protein man. If you went on a diet of just those plants you would get a burts of energy everytime you ate some because of the starches/sugers and then after a while you would start to feel physically fatigued and mentally foggy because of the lack of protein.

[ZX9R]

Originally Posted by QMA

Then I was robbed, and they kept all my valuables as "evidence". Took me a year to get some of the stuff back. I still haven't gotten my AK or my Browning.

Attorney up!

Or contact your local ATF office.

They actually might be able to assist.

[QMA]

Originally Posted by ZX9R

Attorney up!

Or contact your local ATF office.

They actually might be able to assist.

I am friends with a whole lotta lawyers and police in the department, but the people who run everything have their law-fu on lock. Also, their minds are full of liberal shit. That's what we get when we elect lawyers to be sheriff instead of cops.

I'm going to try to talk to the ACLU this Monday, though, since they are helping someone else with the same problem.

[Soupa]

Air rifles so other people can hunt small game.
Toilet paper, but you can make it.

[themessenger]

When the SHTF you do not barter. You steal, obtain by other means, or shoot to kill.

You do not give anything away when the SHTF.

The army will come save you before that happens though.

[Ebola]

Originally Posted by themessenger

When the SHTF you do not barter. You steal, obtain by other means, or shoot to kill.

That might work for a short while, but you are bound to run into some well-equipped people trying to set up some community. They might not agree on your way of life... You might find yourself at the receiving end of a gun if you don´t trade.

You do not give anything away when the SHTF.

I think trade was the issue here.

The army will come save you before that happens though.

The Army might be a major part of the problem and you might be running/fleeing from them. Thinking they will "save" you is very naive.

[QMA]

Originally Posted by ilovechronic

You can't live without fat and protein man. If you went on a diet of just those plants you would get a burst of energy every time you ate some because of the starches/sugars and then after a while you would start to feel physically fatigued and mentally foggy because of the lack of protein.

Wouldn't the rabbits take care of the fat and protein?

[themessenger]

Originally Posted by Ebola

That might work for a short while, but you are bound to run into some well-equipped people trying to set up some community. They might not agree on your way of life... You might find yourself at the receiving end of a gun if you don´t trade.

And you don't know who they are. Stay away from them.

Don't talk to strangers.

I think trade was the issue here.

You do not trade in a survival situation,

The Army might be a major part of the problem and you might be running/fleeing from them. Thinking they will "save" you is very naive.

You do not fuck with the Pentagon or CIA.

[Ebola]

Originally Posted by themessenger

You do not fuck with the Pentagon or CIA.

No, they fuck with you

[QMA]

Originally Posted by themessenger

And you don't know who they are. Stay away from them.

Don't talk to strangers.



You do not trade in a survival situation,



You do not fuck with the Pentagon or CIA.

Most of the military people I know are pretty chill. Only approach large groups and when you do, approach in a non offensive stance, IE hands over head. But it is sorta a last resort, because the WILL confiscate your weapons.

In an unrelated note, has anyone considered Detroit? It is one of the most post apocalyptic cities in the US IIRC...

[Tetcht Seckum]

Originally Posted by QMA

Wouldn't the rabbits take care of the fat and protein?

Like I said, you can starve on a diet of only rabbits. They don't have alot of meat, let alone fat. Ever ate a wild one? They do not have all the supplements you need to live. Not saying that you should forget about them, but you should also be looking into bigger animals. Deer are abundant and damn tasty too

Moose are excellent in their source of essential fats and acids and proteins, and bear is supreme. The fat from can be used to waterproof equipment and clothing. It is called "bear grease". The last black bear I shot greased up my spare Georgia boots, and my buddies pup tent. The water rolls right off.

Do not fall into the trap of thinking that any of these large animals are impossible to take down, or that you cannot do it. Also, you can build a smoke tent, and using low heat/high smoke content you can make the excess meat keep for some time.

I think salt and vital minerals should be of concern tho too. You definately have your plants covered. If SHTF, I would try to avoid contact with other humans as much as possible, but that is just my game plan.

[ilovechronic]

Originally Posted by QMA

Wouldn't the rabbits take care of the fat and protein?

i was referring to what YOU said. "that those three alone would be plenty nutritious."

[QMA]

I know this will sound sorta strange but... What about human beings? Would they be nutritious? (I would never eat a person, or only in the most dire circumstance)

[5.56 SS109]

If you got to the point where all you had to eat were other people, would it matter how nutritious they are?

[QMA]

You are correct...

[Tetcht Seckum]

I think we all need to sit down and watch The Road Warrior, and take some notes from the Humongous.

[944]

Originally Posted by QMA

Wouldn't the rabbits take care of the fat and protein?

Protein yes, fat no. Rabbit is lean enough and high protein enough that if you try to live off just rabbit and plants you can get "protein poisoning"

[944]

Originally Posted by QMA

In an unrelated note, has anyone considered Detroit? It is one of the most post apocalyptic cities in the US IIRC...

Considered it for what? Another place I will stay away from?

[ilovechronic]

Originally Posted by 944

Considered it for what? Another place I will stay away from?

peope avoid detroit anyway now. It will definetly be avoided if SHTf.

[Firemind]

Originally Posted by Tetcht Seckum

The rabbits idea was good, but bad too.

Humans cannot survive on rabbits. Homesteaders in the area I grew up routinely died of starvation on a diet of rabbits (cottontails, and even the ever abundant and ever larger jacks) due to lack of necessary nutrients in them. If you ever skin and eat a rabbit, the only meat that is really worth anything off of it is the backstraps, and by the time they are cooked and done its akin to about two pieces of bacon. You won't live long on that.

They called it "rabbit starvation" come to think of it. You would be wise to include traps in your set up and the knowledge of trapping, for food and warm fur. More wild animals are edible than you imagine. Try some beaver with noodles or some bear jerky sometime.

Oh, don't forget a good field manual on edible and medicinal plants.

Because they didn't eat the whole rabbit. Bones and all.

[QMA]

Originally Posted by Firemind

Because they didn't eat the whole rabbit. Bones and all.

Also, what if you kept the rabbits in cages to allow them to get fat?

And as far as Detroit goes, it is already SHTF, so you just study how people survive there.