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Default Uh-oh... 2C-E in the news

While I like the idea of RC becoming more widely available, I felt like it was important that I bring this kind of thing to everybody's attention here before we get too far ahead in the scene. I don't think there are too many people around Zoklet who would do something stupid like this, but then again, I don't know if there are extenuating circumstances.

http://www.startribune.com/local/north/118182584.html
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At his news conference Thursday, Sommer said he read an article earlier in the day that said nobody had died from an overdose of 2C-E.

Then he paused and said, "Today, that's no longer the case."
I feel like saying the usual, "What idiots, they fucked it up for the rest of us."
But it isn't like nobody has had a bad trip before. Sometimes you just fuck up, and it doesn't matter if you're using currently-legal research chemicals which very few people can acquire. Drugs don't give a fuck, if you screw up, it doesn't matter what you're intelligence is like because the government will nail you to the wall and then we, the underground drug nerd and chemistry countercultures comprising the generation IV psychonauts, will crucify you for our cause and proceed with a new synthesis for a new analogue.

Meanwhile, we go to our high school classes as the media brainwashes our parents; who in turn barrage the government accusingly with questions such as, "Why are you letting my kids download drugs from the internet instead of censoring every website ever?" or, more recently, this one:

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It is a synthetic hallucinogen and is "just a molecule away" from another synthetic called 2C-B, which is "illegal, extreme and not approved for medical use," says Carol Falkowski, drug abuse strategy officer with the Minnesota Department of Human Services.
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ah fuck

That was a lot of people tripping too. 10 did it say? Party party
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Drug policy really is so futile
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Old 03-18-2011, 05:16 AM
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FUCK.

I swear to god, if that faggot ruined 2C-x's for us all, I'm going to be fucking PISSED.

Honestly though, if you look through his pictures, it's fairly obvious this is a very efficient example of natural selection...

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I feel like saying the usual, "What idiots, they fucked it up for the rest of us."
But it isn't like nobody has had a bad trip before. Sometimes you just fuck up, and it doesn't matter if you're using currently-legal research chemicals which very few people can acquire.
There is a *big* difference between having a bad trip once in a while, and going into something completely ignorant. "Some of them said they had used the drug in drinks and some chopped it into lines and snorted it," Sommer said. "I think they were very unfamiliar how much could make them overdose."

I have no sympathy for this reckless idiot, or his bastard 6 month old.

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I have no sympathy for any of these kids, and that's saying a lot since this honestly is tragic. Natural selection I guess...

If they ruined my 2C-E though, ALL OF MY HATE-

Seriously fucking reckless. No one has ever died from 2C-E until this incident, or reported anyway. I really want to know how much they took... I can't even imagine how fucking hard they must have been tripping, and the one kid just died.

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I just got to the part in the article where is says "Robinson has a son about 6 months old..." and went AWWWWW FUCK!!!

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Eh, sad news I guess. Especially for that 6 month old kid.

Suspicious how it mentions 11 overdoses though, who had to be tracked down to be taken to hospital as they fled. Sounds to me, they just hightailed when the police came, and they were taken to hospital still tripping (the news' 'suffering the effects of overdose').

I wonder what happened with the kid. To die from physical complications would either require taking a fuck load, or allergy; I can't imagine it even being easy to do the first.
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Yeah thats what I was thinking too. I remember the 2cs being more psychedelic than anything. I mean Ive ad REALLy bad trips where I like forgot how to breathe n shit, or started choking on my tongue....but thats fucking rare.
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if 2ce needs to be made illegal to stop kids from dying then i think it should be illegal. you guys are pathetic that taking some crappy drug is more important to you than human lives
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I feel bad for the kid, and when he grows up and learns how his dad died he's never gonna want to try psychedelics.

Ruined lives man...


ALWAYS do your research before trying a new drug. Especially if it's an RC that is also one of the most powerful psychedelic substances out there.
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I wonder what happened with the kid. To die from physical complications would either require taking a fuck load, or allergy; I can't imagine it even being easy to do the first.
Or he could have had a pre-existing medical condition that would have been heavily exacerbated by any sort of stimulation, especially if he, say, had heart problems or something. I remember in a BDF mislabelled as 2C-B-FLY overdose trip report I read, the dude that died had taken 9 mg and had some sort of heart condition, and his girlfriend took 4 mg and his friend/brother took 10 mg.
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You guys make a great point. It isn't as though he just had a bad trip; he fucking died. And it's probably not because he made an honest mistake either, if he was taking it through any of the mentioned ROA. I feel sympathy for the child, and for the fact that he died in an intoxicated state which probably got to the point where he couldn't reflect on his life very clearly, much less think about what he did. But dammit I just hope pill-popping party hosts aren't getting their paws on legal drugs when they don't know how to use them safely in the first place. It ruins them for those of us who can take them responsibly and, more importantly to people like that child who will grow up without a father, it can leave them and their friends dead.
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People get far too wound up when their precious drugs harm someone.

There's more important things in life than the legality of some little known chemicals.
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People get far too wound up when their precious drugs harm someone.

There's more important things in life than the legality of some little known chemicals.
Of course. I mean, the legality of the more well-known chemicals is important, too.
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Yeah thats what I was thinking too. I remember the 2cs being more psychedelic than anything. I mean Ive ad REALLy bad trips where I like forgot how to breathe n shit, or started choking on my tongue....but thats fucking rare.
Yeah, that is some scary shit. I forgot what light was once. I forgot what a concept was too now that I think about it.
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So how much did these dumb fuckers take? I seen people snort 40-60mgs and I don't see how you could even bring yourself to blow much more than that. He would had to buy a shit load and somehow not have been able to know how much to take? Or he was tryg to be a hardass
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So how much did these dumb fuckers take? I seen people snort 40-60mgs and I don't see how you could even bring yourself to blow much more than that.
That's either not true, or it wasn't pure (or at all) 2C-E.
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I wonder what happened with the kid. To die from physical complications would either require taking a fuck load, or allergy; I can't imagine it even being easy to do the first.
2C-E is active in small doses; 10mg is enough to have a moderately hard trip.

From personal experience, ~60mg puts your heart rate way up and gives you very bad hot and cold flushes, like a fever (it also fucks your mind in the ass). 2Cs also have a steep dose-response curve. It's more than plausible that people railed 100-200mg of the stuff, which could easily be lethal with pre-existing conditions to exacerbate the effects. They won't have simply been tripping if they took anything close to that much, they'll have been totally out of their minds.

2Cs seem safe when used correctly (2C-T-7 the exception, I think), but they've never struck me as the kind of thing you can cane at stupidly high doses without negative consequences like LSD. It's definitely not something that should be readily available or sold publicly through RC sites, but it's unfortunately starting to become like that.
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That's either not true, or it wasn't pure (or at all) 2C-E.
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2Cs seem safe when used correctly (2C-T-7 the exception, I think), but they've never struck me as the kind of thing you can cane at stupidly high doses without negative consequences like LSD. It's definitely not something that should be readily available or sold publicly through RC sites, but it's unfortunately starting to become like that.
I'd prefer them to be more widely available, especially here, where we can't just order them online. 2C-B is easily enough, but as an increasingly casual drug user, it's often frustrating that getting 2C-E is hit and miss.

And Gyarados, 60mg orally is plausible (but still stupidly high), insufflating that amount is ridiculous though. Might not have been 'cut' at a later date, but if that was the case, it definitely wasn't shipped pure.
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I'd prefer them to be more widely available, especially here, where we can't just order them online. 2C-B is easily enough, but as an increasingly casual drug user, it's often frustrating that getting 2C-E is hit and miss.
How do you get 2C-B easily? I've come across the stuff once, but I was happily ordering 2C-I and 2C-E online for ages and could have bought 2C-D, 2C-P and 2C-T-2 as well. 2C-B is internationally controlled and sources for it are really hard to come by, in my experience.

I suspect that most of what's sold as 2C-B on the street is 2C-I.
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Off an old friend/dealer.

Literally the only connection I have for anything; but if he's out of 2C-*, MDMA crystal, LSD e.t.c. then it's tough shit. I don't think he's ever not had 2C-B, though I have no interest in it, but occasionally also has 2C-E and 2C-I.

I couldn't vouch that it's definitely not 2C-I, though I can't imagine it would be considering he has that as a separate chemical. I'm also quite confident he wouldn't ever dupe me, and definitely confident that he knows his shit enough to not be getting duped from whatever his source might be.
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How do you get 2C-B easily? I've come across the stuff once, but I was happily ordering 2C-I and 2C-E online for ages and could have bought 2C-D, 2C-P and 2C-T-2 as well. 2C-B is internationally controlled and sources for it are really hard to come by, in my experience.

I suspect that most of what's sold as 2C-B on the street is 2C-I.
There *are* reputable places to get legit 2C-B. They're very expensive, however. A friend of mine really wanted the stuff, so I just made an order for him. $100 for 250mg. Don't ask me for the sauze on this one, because I really can't give it out.

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This is easily the biggest tragedy since they banned MDMA. 2C-E was awesome, no matter how much shit everyone else I know who tried it talked on it. Fucking fuck.
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There *are* reputable places to get legit 2C-B. They're very expensive, however. A friend of mine really wanted the stuff, so I just made an order for him. $100 for 250mg. Don't ask me for the sauze on this one, because I really can't give it out.

But if you're in the right circles, Bees are very easily found.


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This is easily the biggest tragedy since they banned MDMA. 2C-E was awesome, no matter how much shit everyone else I know who tried it talked on it. Fucking fuck.

It's really sad because it has not even been confirmed to be 2c-e yet, yet they are already trying push a legislation that will ban 2c-e along with synthetic cannabinoids.


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"He said it was legal and that you could buy it online and in sex shops and stuff," Robinson said. "He made it seem like it was no big deal."

Robinson said he wasn't interested and left. He said his brother stayed.

"My guess is that he was a little upset," Robinson said. "He was trying to do well and work things out with the mother of the child, but I think he just wanted to forget about things for a little while."

That was the last time he saw his brother conscious.

Andy Young, a friend of Trevor Robinson's who was not at the party, said Friday that he and Robinson had tried 2C-E in the past, as had several of their friends. From the accounts he heard about the party, Young said, the drug did not have the same effect it usually did.

"So he just took more and more and more and all of a sudden Trevor started freaking out," Young said.
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Shit, even my hardcore overdose didn't result in any bad physical effects. Wonder what his dose was.
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Don't forget that he might have had other shit in his blood too. It can take weeks to do a full blood-work scan.

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Any resulting legislation will be the death of the RC scene.
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Im glad that pussy died.


He clearly couldn't handle his shit.....
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Any resulting legislation will be the death of the RC scene.
Yup, this seems like a catalyst for the PEAs to me...
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stupid fucking kids.

stupid fucking society that thinks stupid kids is a good reason to ban tools of the mind.
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It's really sad because it has not even been confirmed to be 2c-e yet, yet they are already trying push a legislation that will ban 2c-e along with synthetic cannabinoids.

http://www.twincities.com/ci_17648752?nclick_check=1
"Andy Young, a friend of Trevor Robinson's who was not at the party, said Friday that he and Robinson had tried 2C-E in the past, as had several of their friends. From the accounts he heard about the party, Young said, the drug did not have the same effect it usually did.

"So he just took more and more and more
and all of a sudden Trevor started freaking out," Young said."




And I doubt it matters that it's not confirmed to be 2C-E. It's not going to be banned because it's a threat to public health and safety, it's going to be banned because it's an increasingly popular recreational RC and it suits somebody's agenda to ban it.

Because we can win the war on drugs!
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Hey guys, these douchefucks are our representatives for the media:

http://stmedia.startribune.com/image...dose031811.jpg
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http://stmedia.startribune.com/image...erdose0318.jpg

How does that make you feel?
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