Obama Releases Long Form Birth Certificate

[Mutant Funk Drink]

Originally Posted by diarrhea hands

PS you should try other news outlets besides the daily show/colbert report. Actually nothing on tv is very reliable news wise

People also need to be their own judges on whether a piece of news is credible or not. I think because so many people alive now were around in the Cronkite era of news, everyone and their children feel like they should find a single news outlet that they can blindly trust. In this day and age, that's virtually impossible and it's a really foolish way of thinking to start with.

[Zok Jr.]

Originally Posted by Mutant Funk Drink

People also need to be their own judges on whether a piece of news is credible or not. I think because so many people alive now were around in the Cronkite era of news, everyone and their children feel like they should find a single news outlet that they can blindly trust. In this day and age, that's virtually impossible and it's a really foolish way of thinking to start with.

You said it brah

[Dr. Awkward]

Originally Posted by diarrhea hands

It is damn near impossible for there to be a news media that is not biased. Bias or slanted coverage in news media sells advertisements and generates more news to cover and sell favored advertisements.

I'm not saying its terribly bad like some news networks (*cough fox cough*) but it is not completely without bias.

Fair enough.

[Zay]

I don't care where he was born I just don't like the idea that a mixed-race illegitimate child raised without a father can become president. Kinda defeats the purpose of family values you know?

[Dr. Awkward]

Yeah, but being a half retarded ex alcoholic ex coke addict and becoming president is just over coming challenge and bettering yourself, the american dream, right?

[Rust]

Originally Posted by Mutant Funk Drink

Yes, I find it really strange that when someone(Obama) is accused of being unqualified, and doesn't bother to rectify the situation until a long time later. He can find time to speak about how we should invest in green technology, but he can't find the time to reveal his birth certificate and have it's authenticity verified. It may seem silly, but what exactly is wrong with that? Yes, I find it really strange. You are wrong because nothing was ever "proven" before he even entered the White House.

What are you talking about? He proved his citizenship - as much as he has too - pretty much immediately after the accusations came up, and before he was elected. He provided a copy of his birth certificate, and the director of the Health Department of Hawaii confirmed Obama was a U.S. citizen born in Hawaii, and that he had seen Obama's original documents with his own eyes.

That's all he needs to prove his citizenship. To claim that he "doesn't bother to rectify the situation until a long time later" is just plain utter bullshit. He did. You're wrong.

The problem here is not that Obama has done nothing, it's that people aren't satisfied even though he has probably done more to prove to the public that he was born in the U.S. than pretty much any other president in U.S. history.

[Bale]

What I find funny is that a large number of people are so concerned about such a trivial thing.

Shows how distracted some of the public is and how hungry for power some politicians are. Does anybody care about getting things done?

Question, how big is this right now? Is this flooding the media? It's just strange having this be the front running issue when the world is in a major turning point economically.

[Mutant Funk Drink]

Originally Posted by The Fonz

Using Wiki as a source - ha ha ha!

Racists will do anything to keep from dealing with facts and their own bigotry.

http://www.zdnet.com/news/study-wiki...tannica/146067
http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/1347...-accuracte.htm

Die in a fire, you college professor's bitch.

I fucking hate people who dismiss wikipedia. If you really want to dismiss wikipedia as a source, then you'd better dismiss any form of media that isn't in book form. Just check out your big-name news website, and you'll find plenty of factual errors. Much more than on wikipedia.

And was my original citation incorrect? Isn't it more important if the information I provided was correct or not?

[Mutant Funk Drink]

That's interesting because I can't find any information on any mechanism for Obama to prove his citizenship after being elected. But that's probably because the internet has become flooded with shit about his birth certificate.

I'm not saying that he is required to present his birth certificate to the public. But if I were him, I would have. Actually he did. I keep forgetting that he presented his short-form birth certificate, which a lot of people were still unhappy with.

Anyway, after analyzing the PDF, here's my conclusion:

The only evidence that it could be a forgery is the fact that after you remove the text layers, there are just patches of white where the original scanned letters were. Now I don't have a lot of experience with OCR, but I'd expect the original raster text to still be there on the original document and not just white outlines. This isn't very good evidence.

Otherwise, it seems legit. When altering the levels, you can just barely pick up an outline of a raised seal. The metadata of the file says "Mac OS X 10.6.7" and "Quartz PDFContext". I believe you can use that program to scan documents, OCR them, and convert them to PDF. But I don't have a Mac so I can't tell for sure. But most signs point to it being legitimate.

[Rust]

So we've established that he did in fact present his birth certificate and he did so as soon as his citizenship became an issue, before being elected.

So your problem with how Obama acted with this is what exactly?

[Bale]

People will never be satisfied.

I don't understand what the issue is. When the letters are lifted in photoshop, there is a blank space? Isn't that the whole point of photoshop?

To make a convincing argument, I want to see a video comparing the Obama one to a certified real one. Try to prove it is real, and when you can't, then we'll talk.

[Om Namah Shivaya]

How about we all stop being distracted by this bullshit. The longer we argue over pointless shit like his BC, the longer we get fucked in the ass. I think he wants us to focus on this crap instead of the real "conspiracies"

[Tachosomoza]

Originally Posted by Rust

So we've established that he did in fact present his birth certificate and he did so as soon as his citizenship became an issue, before being elected.

So your problem with how Obama acted with this is what exactly?

MFD is a reactionary. He feels that his privilage as a straight, white male is being eroded by the presence of Barack Obama in the White House, so he feels the need to support accusations against this man that have been proven untrue long ago to defend his position.

[Mutant Funk Drink]

Originally Posted by tachosomoza

MFD is a reactionary. He feels that his privilage as a straight, white male is being eroded by the presence of Barack Obama in the White House, so he feels the need to support accusations against this man that have been proven untrue long ago to defend his position.

No. NO!

Since when does being straight/gay have to do with anything? Go fuck yourself, you whiny little apologist, you.

I've already admitted that I think it's improbable that Obama wasn't born in America, and I already admitted that I don't think that the long-form birth certificate is a forgery. Anybody who's had enough experience with complex computer operations would realize why some of the OCR'd text isn't exactly the same color as the surrounding text.

But if examining Obama's birth certificate out of sheer interest and inquisition, then fuck, I'm a reactionary. Big deal.

You, on the other hand, never have anything to say than "If you don't like Obama, then you must be a racist." This is a common liberal tactic that's usually ineffective outside the mayhem of the media. Do yourself a favor and stop listening to insane people like Janeanne Garofolo who actually think that ANY opposition to Obama, or anything outside worship for Obama, is due to racism.

In reality, I don't have a big deal with the way Obama handled it. I would have handled it differently, and I found the way that he has handled the whole birth certificate thing to be...fishy. I would have gotten this whole long-form birth certificate thing over with a long time ago; The birther thing isn't exactly new. But as far as I can tell, the long-form certificate seems to be legitimate. Unless it comes out that it was a forgery, I don't have any reason to think Obama isn't qualified to be President.

[Rust]

So, again, what is the problem exactly? You didn't like how he provided a birth certificate soon after it became an issue and before he was elected? You don't like how the director of the Department of Health in Hawaii confirmed that they had all the original documents and verified Obama was a citizen?

What exactly is fishy about this?

[Mutant Funk Drink]

Originally Posted by Rust

So, again, what is the problem exactly? You didn't like how he provided a birth certificate soon after it became an issue and before he was elected? You don't like how the director of the Department of Health in Hawaii confirmed that they had all the original documents and verified Obama was a citizen?

What exactly is fishy about this?

Well at this point, there is no problem. Really, it was more instinct than anything else. Obama didn't speak out about it more earlier(although he's not required to for good reason).

Nothing is fishy about it anymore. I can't find anything illegitimate about the long-form or short-form certificates.

[Rust]

How is releasing a birth certificate as soon as it became a problem, before he was elected, not "speaking about it more earlier"?

[Toothlessjoe]

Who cares where he was born? Ability transcends birth location

[Mutant Funk Drink]

Originally Posted by Rust

How is releasing a birth certificate as soon as it became a problem, before he was elected, not "speaking about it more earlier"?

I mean an actual reply to the birther movement. He has to some extent, but either he didn't want to make an issue of it or the media didn't report on it much in order to perpetuate the conspiracy theories.

There's nothing actually wrong with what Obama has done. The only issue with the short-form certificate was that there were no signatures from witnessing doctors, or anyone for that matter, which made people suspicious. I don't know enough about birth certificates so I can't make a judgment on how just that suspicion is. The short-form could be very easily be forged, but then again, so could the long-form to a slightly lesser degree. I haven't thought that either document was false until I examined the long-form certificate and found that the text was in layers with just white outlines in the background. But I'm 99% sure that's due to OCR.

[Rust]

Okay, so what actual reply would you feel was deserved? Is a website dedicated to refuting their claims enough? Is responding to questions about what he he thinks about it in press conferences enough?

[Mutant Funk Drink]

Originally Posted by Rust

Okay, so what actual reply would you feel was deserved? Is a website dedicated to refuting their claims enough? Is responding to questions about what he he thinks about it in press conferences enough?

I don't know.

[Jesus "Fuck Lepers" Christ]

Originally Posted by Zay

I don't care where he was born I just don't like the idea that a mixed-race illegitimate child raised without a father can become president. Kinda defeats the purpose of family values you know?

how dare he become president after being dealt such a shitty hand! Leave the white house to the overprivileged amirite?

[Om Namah Shivaya]

Originally Posted by Nightshade

Well if you got the det cord and shape charges I'm game.

YouTube - wtc 7 collapse

YouTube - wtc 7 collapse
Video: click to display

way ahead of you

[Iehovah]

Originally Posted by Mutant Funk Drink

http://www.zdnet.com/news/study-wiki...tannica/146067
http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/1347...-accuracte.htm

Die in a fire, you college professor's bitch.

I fucking hate people who dismiss wikipedia. If you really want to dismiss wikipedia as a source, then you'd better dismiss any form of media that isn't in book form. Just check out your big-name news website, and you'll find plenty of factual errors. Much more than on wikipedia.

Lose the college-dropout mentality. It's not doing you any good. To be clear, Wikipedia is absolute GARBAGE as a source.

What Wikipedia IS good for - a starting point for research. Relying on a bunch of random dumbfucks with unknown agendas in hopes that you're getting the asperger-case who is just drumming out good solid material is borderline stupid. I say borderline, because your real problem seems to be that you genuinely forget this fatal flaw.

Wikipedia is dismissed as a source in part because people can't put names to the material. It's anonymous, and suffers for it. If the work is credible, then fucking own it.

[Nightshade]

Originally Posted by Om Namah Shivaya

way ahead of you

Sorry to burst your bubble but the 9/11 truthers are nothing more than a bunch of delusional, paranoid, morons. Not to mention an insult to those people who died that day and their families and loved ones.

But that argument is best served in the conspiracy form.

[Om Namah Shivaya]

Originally Posted by Nightshade

Sorry to burst your bubble but the 9/11 truthers are nothing more than a bunch of delusional, paranoid, morons. Not to mention an insult to those people who died that day and their families and loved ones.

But that argument is best served in the conspiracy form.

explain the collapse of building 7 in your own words.

[Slapshot]

If short form birth certificates are not acceptable to government agencies...

EFFECTIVE JULY 13, 2010 THE PASSPORT OFFICE CAN NO LONGER ACCEPT ABSTRACT (SHORT FORM) BIRTH CERTIFICATES FOR A PASSPORT APPLICATION. IF YOU NEED A BIRTH CERTIFICATE FOR THE PURPOSES OF A PASSPORT APPLICATION, YOU MUST CONTACT THE COUNTY IN WHICH YOU WERE BORN OR THE BUREAU OF VITAL STATISTICS IN AUSTIN. IF YOU CONTACT THE BUREAU OF VITAL STATISTICS YOU MUST SPECIFICALLY REQUEST A LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE.

then why should citizens accept the same from elected officials?

[Rust]

1. That's not true. They are accepted. The requirement is that the birth certificate must contain the full name of the parents.The problem was some states were issuing short forms without both parents names. http://www.travel.state.gov/passport/passport_5401.html


2. That was years after he was elected, and years after he provided his birth certificate, and years after the director of the Health Department in Hawaii confirmed with his very own eyes that Obama was a citizen.

[Iehovah]

Originally Posted by Om Namah Shivaya

explain the collapse of building 7 in your own words.

KISS principle - National security failed to a greater extreme than they were willing to let on.

In short, the Truther movement is just another variation of the Birther movement, extreme-wingers so caught up in their hatred for the standing administration that they'll buy any hype, tell themselves any lie to convince themselves that they are right in trying to take down the president (but more preferably their administration and party) with it.

Rationality need not apply. It's pure raving politics.

[Zay]

Originally Posted by Metacarpal

how dare he become president after being dealt such a shitty hand! Leave the white house to the overprivileged amirite?

For real! People are going to start to think that they don't need to date within their race, abstain from sex until marriage, and feign family happiness once the oxytocin runs out(approximately 2 years into a relationship) in order to lead a fulfilling life. Women will start to get careers instead of starting families and will be neurotic whores until their 40s. Many men will have to become effeminate chasers of pleasure and will waste countless hours of their lives on trivial hobbies(learning faggy shit like wine tasting, art, metrosexual dressing, etc.) in order to attract women. Serious men will have a limited dating pool since most of the prime fertile women will be living in the moment, going from one alpha-brute one night stand to the next and will find career-focused men boring and unstimulating. Those men will have to import wives from outside cultures(like asia) where women are still raised to be housewives, further exacerbating the race-mixing. People's lives will revolve around relying on drinking and music to get laid, but they won't procreate because they believe children will make them unhappy.

In short, we're a few presidents away from Camacho

[Om Namah Shivaya]

Originally Posted by Iehovah

KISS principle - National security failed to a greater extreme than they were willing to let on.

In short, the Truther movement is just another variation of the Birther movement, extreme-wingers so caught up in their hatred for the standing administration that they'll buy any hype, tell themselves any lie to convince themselves that they are right in trying to take down the president (but more preferably their administration and party) with it.

Rationality need not apply. It's pure raving politics.

That's cool bro, but that doesn't answer the question of how building 7 fell.

[Rust]

^ Good thing that this isn't the conspiracy forum then, huh?

[Iehovah]

Originally Posted by Om Namah Shivaya

That's cool bro, but that doesn't answer the question of how building 7 fell.

I'm trying to keep it at least tangentially relevant to the topic at hand. If you want to go into details, then as Rust pointed out, you should take it up on the Conspiracy! forum.

[Benjammin]

The collective IQ in this thread is depressing