Counterfeiting (European Currency)

[Alexmon]

I am wondering what kind of printers do people use to print euro notes ?
I know the methods of printing dollar's and euro's are very different.
I know some printers refuse to print anything that looks like money .. and some programs used like photoshop stop you from opening up images of money.

so the question is how do people print counterfeit money ? there is barely anything on the internet saying how people do it ... all I find on the internet is things like "how to spot counterfeit euro notes" and I already know how to do that .. even though its not necessary to know it.

if anyone knows what kind of printer is used or what style of printing is done please post here. thanks.

[dog with shifty eyes]

They use the HP ones you buy at Wal-Mart

[Sal, a man-deer]

Originally Posted by Alexmon

there is barely anything on the internet saying how people do it ...

Zoklet is home to amazing things.
http://www.zoklet.net/bbs/showthread.php?t=887

[A$AP Weed Smoker]

at my favorite donut shop in the world there's a fake ass $20 taped to the wall, which looks like it was printed with an HP Deskjet from 2002. The asian lady took it as legal tender though, prolly from a nig.

Lesson: Use any printer ever, just only give it to FOBs

[King of the world]

Originally Posted by SLIM

Fuck it, may as well tell you the printers that are used to avoid leaving any markings.

I asked a contact of mine who is better with counterfeiting this question a long time ago. He recommended to me an alps 5000. That's the cheapest good quality you'll get with leaving no such markings. I got secondary opinions and they've all said you want good quality as best as you can. Looking at the alps 5000 myself I'd say it's your best bet also. Get them while you still can.

Still, even those aren't the best. Expect to pay a fair bit of money.

[King of the world]

Originally Posted by Weed Smoker

Lesson: Use any printer ever

Don't do this. It is a given of course that whenever you pass your money around it should be to a young female or a nigger.

[Tachosomoza]

I've heard that bake sales and other informal events are also good places to pass.

Church offerings as well. Ask the usher to make change for the bill.

[ACE_187]

Epson because the ink doesn't run if you get it wet. To my knowledge any other kind of printer if you even drip water on it it messes up the ink.

[King of the world]

Most other printers leave distinct tiny yellow spots.

[Nitrile]

There isn't one specific type of printer that all counterfeiters use. You can select one of the many printers out there. Also you will probably need several printers if you wan't to do a good job. One for the template, one for the magnetic ink, and one for the Optical Variable Ink (OVI). Also it depends on your method of counterfeiting.... i e washing bills and reprinting, printing on rice paper, printing on comparable paper, printing on different layers and gluing them together...etc
For the Template you can probably get away with an Epson R280 or R1800. Or something with at least 1200 x 1200 DPI and small 1.5 pl droplets. I don't know anything about magnetic ink but I imagine any cheap epson could print that assuming you filled the ink cartridges up with the special magnetic ink. Probably stay on the cheap side with an Epson NX400 series printer.
The OVI is probably the most difficult. If you manage to purchase prefilled cartridges with OVI in them then your printer would depend on your seler's selection of pre-filled cartridges obviously. Otherwise you will be purchasing OVI and filling the cartridges yourself, or faking OVI with a PearlEx/Embossing powder mixture. If the latter is where you stand, then you will probably want to fill your homemade OVI printer ink into an HP45 cartridge. These are older cartridges with the printer head built right onto the ink cartridge. The printer head is more forgiving and allows larger particles to pass through than most printer heads do. Also when you clog the printer head with the OVI/PearlEx/Embossing Powder particles (which you will) you do not have to throw away the entire printer but rather just the cartridge (which is about $10). The recomended printer that uses the HP45 cartridge is the HP Photosmart p1000. At least thats what I think its called. There are many printers the accept the HP 45 cartridge, but that one is more fit for the job as it is newer and allows one to control the output volume of the ink, which is essential when doing what you wish to be doing.

I don't counterfiet currency and don't think you should either. Thus I probably left some critical information out in the above.

Also counterfeiting is not a science but more of an art. No one does it the exact same and each person's method's come from experimentation.

[is all mememememe with me]

Originally Posted by Weed Smoker

at my favorite donut shop in the world there's a fake ass $20 taped to the wall, which looks like it was printed with an HP Deskjet from 2002. The asian lady took it as legal tender though, prolly from a nig.

Lesson: Use any printer ever, just only give it to FOBs

call the police dude, possesion of that note is a crime. she would do it to you if she saw you in possesion of one guaranteed. even if she caught you unwittingly trying to pass her one because someone had passed it to you. so why should she get away with it.

Originally Posted by Nitrile

I don't counterfiet currency and don't think you should either. Thus I probably left some critical information out in the above.

yes you did, in fact you all did. if you are looking to make real looking notes that will fool people then your quest for information should start here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithography

secondly if you are going to just churn a few out on a printer then get a laser copier. fucking inkjets, what is this amateur hour??

[is all mememememe with me]

you should read these too

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banknot..._for_banknotes

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cotton_paper#Uses

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watermark

the type of paper used will be a huge giveaway. most people instinctively know something is wrong when they handle a note that doesn't feel like normal. this is what makes passing fake currency so risky.

[Alexmon]

Originally Posted by Nitrile

There isn't one specific type of printer that all counterfeiters use. You can select one of the many printers out there. Also you will probably need several printers if you wan't to do a good job. One for the template, one for the magnetic ink, and one for the Optical Variable Ink (OVI). Also it depends on your method of counterfeiting.... i e washing bills and reprinting, printing on rice paper, printing on comparable paper, printing on different layers and gluing them together...etc
For the Template you can probably get away with an Epson R280 or R1800. Or something with at least 1200 x 1200 DPI and small 1.5 pl droplets. I don't know anything about magnetic ink but I imagine any cheap epson could print that assuming you filled the ink cartridges up with the special magnetic ink. Probably stay on the cheap side with an Epson NX400 series printer.
The OVI is probably the most difficult. If you manage to purchase prefilled cartridges with OVI in them then your printer would depend on your seler's selection of pre-filled cartridges obviously. Otherwise you will be purchasing OVI and filling the cartridges yourself, or faking OVI with a PearlEx/Embossing powder mixture. If the latter is where you stand, then you will probably want to fill your homemade OVI printer ink into an HP45 cartridge. These are older cartridges with the printer head built right onto the ink cartridge. The printer head is more forgiving and allows larger particles to pass through than most printer heads do. Also when you clog the printer head with the OVI/PearlEx/Embossing Powder particles (which you will) you do not have to throw away the entire printer but rather just the cartridge (which is about $10). The recomended printer that uses the HP45 cartridge is the HP Photosmart p1000. At least thats what I think its called. There are many printers the accept the HP 45 cartridge, but that one is more fit for the job as it is newer and allows one to control the output volume of the ink, which is essential when doing what you wish to be doing.

I don't counterfiet currency and don't think you should either. Thus I probably left some critical information out in the above.

Also counterfeiting is not a science but more of an art. No one does it the exact same and each person's method's come from experimentation.

how come on the Epson NX400 series printer it doesn't have duplex setting.. how would one go about printing on both sides and for it to be perfectly aligned ?

[Alexmon]

I know that people fake euro notes and pass them off as real ones... I have seen fake notes before and they look the exact same ! the hologram stripe on the euro notes looks perfect.. how do they fake it?

here is a picture of the hologram stripe to the very right:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...2_issue%29.jpg

[is all mememememe with me]

they get a hologram maker to make them

[Alexmon]

what is the name of it? it isn't called "hologram maker" that would be stupid

[dog with shifty eyes]

Protip: All these printers get 100% flagged at customs while shipping. Not exagerating, don't ship them to your own houses.

[Alexmon]

thanks for the tip.

can anyone suggest a good printer that they used before?

[Alexmon]

I was wondering how people bypass this because ... as soon as someone scans in an image of money .. the eurion constelation stops them from printing it, there must be a way of bypassing this... how is it done?

[Alexmon]

I was wondering this because they seem to be complex ... there isn't much on the internet about counterfeiting so I was wondering if anybody knows this.

How do people go about making the security threads on money and watermarks?

[Tachosomoza]

Alexmon, I merged all your counterfeiting threads.

[Nitrile]

Originally Posted by Alexmon

how come on the Epson NX400 series printer it doesn't have duplex setting.. how would one go about printing on both sides and for it to be perfectly aligned ?

You do it manually. You print one side then flip the paper over and print the other. The printer alignment is perfect with the epson NX400 series (and most other epsons that I have used) so your only have to worry about your template being photoshoped correctly.

As for scanners and printers and photoshop not dealing with images of currency there are ways around that. I would bet an older computer and scanner would allow you too scan a Hi Res image of a note. Also I know photoshop can be modified to allow notes to be printed.

Also if you plan on making any of this, you should not be the one passing them.

[Alexmon]

Originally Posted by Nitrile

You do it manually. You print one side then flip the paper over and print the other. The printer alignment is perfect with the epson NX400 series (and most other epsons that I have used) so your only have to worry about your template being photoshoped correctly.

As for scanners and printers and photoshop not dealing with images of currency there are ways around that. I would bet an older computer and scanner would allow you too scan a Hi Res image of a note. Also I know photoshop can be modified to allow notes to be printed.

Also if you plan on making any of this, you should not be the one passing them.

thanks a lot for your help nitrile, but seen as you know a lot about this topic.. would you know any way of printing a hologram shiny strip on a note? how is this done... I have searched the internet and can't find anything that will say how it is done.

(I don't plan on counterfeiting money ... I want to know this for educational purposes only)

[Ian Huntley]

Originally Posted by Alexmon

(I don't plan on counterfeiting money ... I want to know this for educational purposes only)

^this iritates the fuck out of me

but in regards to the holograms strips, fuck em,and fuck you,just get holographic foil online that has similar looks,but beforehand print all shapes number and curves and what have you in black toner and run the holographic foil over it,it will stick to the toner once heat has been applied...you will need to get very artsy indeed...this is as good as it gets with the amount of money and knowledge that you have...a shitty fucking hologram that might pass first glance

[Alexmon]

thanks ian huntley thanks for sharing.

is there ways of printing onto the hologram foil?

[Alexmon]

I have re-searched .. I understand now that people use holographic silver foil to paste them onto the notes and basicly slip them to the person working in the shop.

[is all mememememe with me]

Originally Posted by Alexmon

what is the name of it? it isn't called "hologram maker" that would be stupid

hologram maker = a man that makes holograms

i was only being sarcstic tho lol. i'm pretty sure i read something on making fake IDs before where they were talking about holograph paint. if i wasn't just imagining it then it would work better as long as its any good as you could make a stencil and do the outer shape and then paint the € sign on top once dried.

i'll have a quick look to see if i can find it again. i'll post here\/\/ if i do

this is meant for fake IDs so i dont know if it would work for cash. worth a try and could fool some idiots tho

Make a Hologram. The gold holograms on many ID cards are called binary holograms. These holograms can be easily reproduced using Pearl-Ex paint and Photo-EZ paper.
This product is for making stencils. A stencil is basically the outline of a picture with the negative part missing. To make the stencil you scan the hologram off your id, then convert it to an all black image. Next you print the image on a transparency. A transparency is a transparent sheet of plastic meant for inkjet printers or lasers. Then you take the transparency and tape it to the Photo-EZ. You put it out in the sun and all the areas of the material not covered by the black negative of the holo cures. When washed the part covered by the negative washes away, leaving you with your stencil. You will want to order the high resolution material.
As for the painting material, the two main ones are Interference Gold (Fine) made by Golden Acrylics and PERL-EX DUOTONE. The latter of the materials work best because of the fact it reflects two colors of the spectrum. Perl-Ex comes as a powder and preparation is needed. These paints are transparent when viewed from straight on. When viewed from different angles you see different colors depending on the particular colors of the paint. Perl-Ex comes in Duo Red-Blue, Duo Blue-Green, and Duo Green-Yellow.
You have to buy a Transparent Base made for paints to prepare the Perl-Ex. A good one is Speedball Transparent Base. You mix in a 1:50 ratio. 1 part Per- 50 parts base. If you are using Golden acrylics then you use a 5:1 ratio. 5 parts paint 1 part base. When applying the paint in the stencil, you should use if possible one of those brushes made for screen printing. It is like a pencil but with a flexible tip. A sponge can be used but extra care needs to be taken when applying. You want to apply a very thin amount and practice will be needed to get it right.
On a lot of the new IDs there is a multicolored hologram that reflects the full spectrum (like a rainbow). This is especially true of most of the Canadian ids. What you do is pick the two most dominant colors and buy the matching Perl Ex colors. This will be good enough to reproduce the holo. The holo can be put directly on the finished ID or before lamination on the inside of the pouch. If you choice is the inside then remember to put it in the reverse.

http://www.wikihow.com/Make-a-Fake-ID

or maybe look into this

Gosh Cosmetics 549 Holographic Nail Polish - YouTube

Gosh Cosmetics 549 Holographic Nail Polish - YouTube
Video: click to display

[Nitrile]

Originally Posted by Alexmon

thanks a lot for your help nitrile, but seen as you know a lot about this topic.. would you know any way of printing a hologram shiny strip on a note? how is this done... I have searched the internet and can't find anything that will say how it is done.

(I don't plan on counterfeiting money ... I want to know this for educational purposes only)

I'm not very familiar with the Euro notes so I am not 100% sure as to what you mean when you say "hologram shiny strip". This word "hologram" is used by different people to mean different things.
However if you are familiar with the US $100 bill then you will know there is a "hologram" in the right corner that spells "100". This "hologram" is produced with OVI, Optical Variable Ink. Basically OVI changes colors when viewed at different angles.
This OVI can be replicated via pearl ex, however I do not recommend silk screening it on. I gave a bit of instructions previously on how to fake this OVI.

The OVI is probably the most difficult. If you manage to purchase prefilled cartridges with OVI in them then your printer would depend on your seler's selection of pre-filled cartridges obviously. Otherwise you will be purchasing OVI and filling the cartridges yourself, or faking OVI with a PearlEx/Embossing powder mixture. If the latter is where you stand, then you will probably want to fill your homemade OVI printer ink into an HP45 cartridge. These are older cartridges with the printer head built right onto the ink cartridge. The printer head is more forgiving and allows larger particles to pass through than most printer heads do. Also when you clog the printer head with the OVI/PearlEx/Embossing Powder particles (which you will) you do not have to throw away the entire printer but rather just the cartridge (which is about $10). The recomended printer that uses the HP45 cartridge is the HP Photosmart p1000. At least thats what I think its called. There are many printers the accept the HP 45 cartridge, but that one is more fit for the job as it is newer and allows one to control the output volume of the ink, which is essential when doing what you wish to be doing.

If someone would like to educate me on the type of hologram on the Euro please let me know so I can discuss the correct method.

[is all mememememe with me]

Originally Posted by Nitrile

If someone would like to educate me on the type of hologram on the Euro please let me know so I can discuss the correct method.

didnt someone post a photo showing the euro note. im not too familiar as im in UK, been a few years since i saw one irl, i think it is a centimetre wide strip going the whole width of the note. if i remember right im sure it has the notes value which changes to a euro sign when tilted. if someone from the continent could elaborate more.

[Alexmon]

thanks for the reply's but the hologram in which I am talking about is this one:

that is a 50 euro note hologram , it is just a hologram patch

the other notes like the 10 euro note:

has a holographic strip going down the width of it.

I am wondering how can this be replicated or faked ? If anyone has info on this I would be glad to hear it.

[Alexmon]

Bump- found info!

Más de 8 millones de euros falsos intervenidos por la Policia Nacional - YouTube

Más de 8 millones de euros falsos intervenidos por la Policia Nacional - YouTube
Video: click to display

in that video you can see that people can get roll of the holograms ..

I am wondering if anyone knows where they can be got ?