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i was orignaly thinking the golden triangle.. because the golden crescent would supply europe correct?

but asia is closer to the west coat of america then east. and the west coast is supplied by the mexicans (black tar H)

so does this mean that. it travels as far as from afghan area. to europe. and then finally to the east coast?

has anyone ever heard of any powder H in california or anywhere in the west coast that was not supplied from mexico?
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i was orignaly thinking the golden triangle.. because the golden crescent would supply europe correct?

but asia is closer to the west coat of america then east. and the west coast is supplied by the mexicans (black tar H)

so does this mean that. it travels as far as from afghan area. to europe. and then finally to the east coast?

has anyone ever heard of any powder H in california or anywhere in the west coast that was not supplied from mexico?
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I know of a very detailed map that showed trading routes of different drugs from place to place but I cant find it at the moment. (Thanks will be given to anyone that has it)

Although Iam pretty sure dope comes to us through canada or NYC and they get it from the middle east. Thats a really crude assumption based off old and possibly twisted information.
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africa is one of the main opium cultivation suppliers? how come this is not known as well and doesnt have a "golden" nickname?

and also for the one is south america? although this is not as a big suprise as the one in africa?
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africa is one of the main opium cultivation suppliers? how come this is not known as well and doesnt have a "golden" nickname?

and also for the one is south america? although this is not as a big suprise as the one in africa?
lol I never said Its 100% accurate its just all I have to offer as far as an answer. Remember thats probably all based on raw opium or poppy pods. Iam sure half of that trading is going on to refine products.
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africa is one of the main opium cultivation suppliers? how come this is not known as well and doesnt have a "golden" nickname?

and also for the one is south america? although this is not as a big suprise as the one in africa?
I don't see any little squares on Africa. . .

Doesn't look like the chart says it is grown there. It looks like there's a trading hub in the port cities.

Also, the labels under "Major Trafficking Routes" and "Growing Areas" are clearly backwards. Coca and opium poppy are grown, not traded, and cocaine and opiates are traded, not grown. But I assume everything else is accurate.

Conversion of morphine to heroin is done along the trade routes, like Erorr said. China in the case of the Golden Triangle, I suppose Africa and Eastern Europe in the case of the Crescent, and Mexico for South and Central America (Mexico is very independent ). But I doubt any of the opiates are traded in the form of pods. I don't think poppy straw is even used in illicite opiate manufacture, as the solvent volumes would be really high and the product quality would be really low. Paying manual laborers to lance the pods would be better, as smuggling poor people with bits of broken glass and spoons into the area where the poppies are grown is easier than smuggling in tankers full of solvent. Opium is usually processed into morphine within the country of origin, or a very close neighbor. No point smuggling that useless bulk.

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africa is one of the main opium cultivation suppliers? how come this is not known as well and doesnt have a "golden" nickname?

and also for the one is south america? although this is not as a big suprise as the one in africa?
Look at the key/legend at the bottom left. Most of the shit coming from South America is coca/cocaine, not opium. There doesn't seem to be any differenc that I can tell between the squares for growing areas of opiates and cocaine, but almost all of the arrows coming out of SA are green for coca.
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all these years sinse we been in the middle east. why hasnt anyone been doing what frank lucas did with the war in veitnam for smuggling dope?
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all these years sinse we been in the middle east. why hasnt anyone been doing what frank lucas did with the war in veitnam for smuggling dope?
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why isnt it ending up in the california area?

is it cause thats all mexican mud H territory?
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africa is one of the main opium cultivation suppliers? how come this is not known as well and doesnt have a "golden" nickname?

and also for the one is south america? although this is not as a big suprise as the one in africa?
Columbia and certain other South American countries produce quite a bit of the powder cocaine that ends up in the East Coast via some of the same routes in the West Indies that the cocaine travels on, just not in the same numbers.

At this point in time the middle east accounts for a majority of the powder heroin world-wide, while Mexico dominates the tar trade. At the same time, Columbia is still the largest producer of cocaine world-wide by a long shot. Other countries like Bolivia and Peru do as well though, particularly for the European market.

This thread is definitely worth necro-ing btw.

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im pretty sure the majority of the worlds heroin supply comes from the middle east now.. where as years ago, southeast asia (the golden triangle) burma, laos, vietnam, etc.. supplied the majority of the worlds heroin. as for how it gets here.. it gets to north america in a variety of ways.. alot of it comes via courier apparently, through the good old mail system.. (gotta love it) alot of it comes via ships in containers, some of it people smuggle over (mules). i think one of the routes from the middle east is through turkey then to italy, then that would take care of most of europe.. as for north america, im pretty sure they go down through montreal (port city) then to new york city, which would explain why new york city and canada in general has very high quality dope, usually china white with higher percentage of purity.. (less stops along the way) . i've also heard that in terms of adulturants, most of what makes up the "cut" is added in at the manufacturing/refining stages, with almost little to no "stepping on" being done by the people who receive it at the transfer points.. this could be inaccurate, but apparently it's not as heavily cut as people think it is along the way.. i read a survey that was done in the U.K about this, and most dealers admitted to not cutting it at all, just making profit on breaking it down to small quantities, and selling that way..but who really knows.. im sure people do step on it, but to what extent i don't know. depends.. dealers want repeat business, and they won't get it if they are putting out a shitty product all the time.
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tar from mexico (google jalisco boys, there's been some great articles done about them over the past couple years.)

decent h from overseas.
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im pretty sure the majority of the worlds heroin supply comes from the middle east now.. where as years ago, southeast asia (the golden triangle) burma, laos, vietnam, etc.. supplied the majority of the worlds heroin
i'm not sure if this is what you meant but I don't know how many people I have to tell this to... Look at a map of the Middle East. you won't find Afghanistan, because it's not part of the Middle East, it's part of a neglected corner of the world known as Southwest Asia

if you didn't mean Afghanistan I don't know WTF you are talking about
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Well in NC, tar is the most common. There are a few cities like Durham where there's powder, but by the time any stamp bag made it to my town, it would be stomped on 50 times. Tar is from Mexico obviously, and the powder in the US is mostly South American #4.
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Here is another map for this thread, but this one pertains to just heroin.



According to this map, East Coast heroin comes from Columbia or Mexico.
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fascinating shit, but at the same time, PUT THEM DRUGS DOWN, ITS KILLIN OUR YOUTH.
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From what I've heard, it's mostly Afghan/Middle Eastern source heroin. Opium comes from Afghanistan and is converted to morphine in the same area. Sometimes it is then converted to heroin, but the majority is shipped to Iran and converted to heroin which ends up going through Europe and Africa to get to the East Coast. West Coast heroin seems to be mostly Mexican (black tar especially). As smuggling gets harder and the economy for heroin is reduced in the states, I think most of the heroin will start to come from Mexico. The good Afghan shit will probably end up mostly in Europe.

I always wondered where SE Asian heroin went. Does it end up on the W Coast?
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most of our H comes from either columbia or mexico.

black tar "heroin" (which is somewhat of a misnomer in of itself) has traditionally been thought of as primarily mexican, while powder comes from Colombia. i'm pretty sure more powder has recently been coming out of mexico

SE asian H fans out into many places, but i'm pretty sure not much of it makes it to our shores, at least compared to the amount coming in from other places. Up north (Vancouver, etc) might see some Afghani dope from Russia

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most of our H comes from either columbia or mexico.

black tar "heroin" (which is somewhat of a misnomer in of itself) has traditionally been thought of as primarily mexican, while powder comes from Colombia. i'm pretty sure more powder has recently been coming out of mexico

SE asian H fans out into many places, but i'm pretty sure not much of it makes it to our shores, at least compared to the amount coming in from other places. Up north (Vancouver, etc) might see some Afghani dope from Russia
Maybe west coast shit, Id be willing to bet the bulk majority of our east coast heroin is the product of the middle east
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Why are we even arguing? Let's just call the DEA and ask them. . .
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lol, thats twice now that i've come to this thread thinking it meant h as an acronym or something for the east coast area.
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alot of white powder h comes from eastern europe.
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Maybe west coast shit, Id be willing to bet the bulk majority of our east coast heroin is the product of the middle east
Really? I'd bet on Columbia.
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speaking from personal knowledge on the subject... Southwest Asian heroin (afghan, pakistani) AS OF LATELY (last 15 years) dominates at 80% market share. Now.. as of whats going on now... I can tell you that I live in biggest city in Canada, and in Canada, SouthEAST Asians (Burma, Laos, etc) are making a push to get back more of a market share in heroin trade. Toronto for example is controlled mainly by SouthEAST Asians. Chinese, Vietnamese mostly. Overall, you will see a push made by Southeast Asians to take back the heroin trade. Its already started in Toronto, if anyone has noticed the gang violence here lately. Specifically, the Yorkdale Mall assassination of a young Chinese gang member. Very significant. This happened last weekend. Also interestingly, I found out Toronto, and Montreal are the FIRST stop over points for Heroin entering North America from South East Asia. The Heroin then supplies eastern Canadian markets, but mainly is intended for entrance to New York City Area via the St. Lawerence Seaway, or via cars entering from Toronto area through to New York State. I never knew about Toronto being main primary entrance point for heroin intended for North American market, it was very suprising, but I can say with 99% confidence that it is true. Oh and South East Asian heroin is best in the world. Don't care what people say about South West Asian Heroin. South East is best. China White baby.
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Interesting thread, but let's face it, it did not need to be brought back from the dead. Feel free to PM me if you disagree and we can discuss it.
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