Kevin Smith: Going for broke?

[Jive Talka]

I lulled.

[coolguy420]

Kevin Smith's classic film "Red State" is on netflix instant now

[Uriah Heep]

who the fuck isnt going broke?

[Jive Talka]

[ScaryGary]

isn't Kevin Smith retiring after this next film? directing at least?

I don't care what anyone says, 'Red State' was fucking bad-ass.

[---Beany---]

Originally Posted by ScaryGary

I don't care what anyone says, 'Red State' was fucking bad-ass.

Apart from how the ending is that one dude explaining to another dude how it ends. That shit was fucking laaaame.

In the original scripted ending, the horns were horns from heaven, which eventually caused everyones chests to explode. That one dude john goodman covers his ears and shuts his eyes and when he opens them he sees a huge angel with a huge sword stuck in that evil preachers chest, then he pulls it out and flies off. That would have been badass.
Instead john goodman explains to a cop that the horns were students or some shit playing a prank.

I'd add spoiler tags, but I'm really saving everyone from a huge anticlimax which will only make them want to rape someone they shouldn't.

[constantinople]

Originally Posted by ---Beany---

Apart from how the ending is that one dude explaining to another dude how it ends. That shit was fucking laaaame.

In the original scripted ending, the horns were horns from heaven, which eventually caused everyones chests to explode. That one dude john goodman covers his ears and shuts his eyes and when he opens them he sees a huge angel with a huge sword stuck in that evil preachers chest, then he pulls it out and flies off. That would have been badass.
Instead john goodman explains to a cop that the horns were students or some shit playing a prank.

I'd add spoiler tags, but I'm really saving everyone from a huge anticlimax which will only make them want to rape someone they shouldn't.

The ending in the movie was so much better. This wasn't a movie about fictional sword weilding angels, it was based losely on the events that occured in Waco, Texas.


The ending was awesome. Thought provoking.

[Rust]

I thought Red State was great, and the ending in the film was fine. Michael Parks (i.e. the actor that played the preacher) was fucking amazing.

[---Beany---]

Originally Posted by TrustedDr.Watson

The ending in the movie was so much better. This wasn't a movie about fictional sword weilding angels, it was based losely on the events that occured in Waco, Texas.

The ending was awesome. Thought provoking.

So what was the point of the horn blowing? To me it was a completely pointless aspect that distracted from the climax of the movie.
At first I was like "wow, what's this? Something interesting is about to happen."
But no, it was just some previously unmentioned kids playing a prank. What did that have to do with anything?

At least the angel ending would have "said" something.

Maybe I'm just missing something.

[constantinople]

Originally Posted by ---Beany---

So what was the point of the horn blowing? To me it was a completely pointless aspect that distracted from the climax of the movie.
At first I was like "wow, what's this? Something interesting is about to happen."
But no, it was just some previously unmentioned kids playing a prank. What did that have to do with anything?

At least the angel ending would have "said" something.

Maybe I'm just missing something.

Yes, yes you are


......What would the "angel ending" have said? That God will smite you if you preach his word wrong? What kind of fucking sense does that make? The movie doesn't even presuppose that God exists. No, I think the kids playing a prank, being misinterpretted as an act of God is much more accurate a portrayal of the modern sychophantic Christian - they want to see the Divine in everything; instead of a rational and logical explanation they leap to the fantastical. I think that is what Kevin Smith was trying to highlight with the bull-horn.


But yes, it was a deus ex machina as much as the angel ending in that they both just came directly the fuck out of nowhere. But then again, that could be part of what Smith was trying to say as well. Who knows? I don't really want to strain my head over the deeper metaphysical implications of a Kevin Smith movie.


Either way, the ending we have highlights everything that makes Kevin Smith the writer and director he is.

[---Beany---]

Originally Posted by TrustedDr.Watson

No, I think the kids playing a prank, being misinterpretted as an act of God is much more accurate a portrayal of the modern sychophantic Christian - they want to see the Divine in everything; instead of a rational and logical explanation they leap to the fantastical. I think that is what Kevin Smith was trying to highlight with the bull-horn.

I see. Yeah that works.
I still woulda preferred the angel ending, but that's just me

[ScaryGary]

Originally Posted by ---Beany---

In the original scripted ending, the horns were horns from heaven, which eventually caused everyones chests to explode. That one dude john goodman covers his ears and shuts his eyes and when he opens them he sees a huge angel with a huge sword stuck in that evil preachers chest, then he pulls it out and flies off. That would have been badass.
Instead john goodman explains to a cop that the horns were students or some shit playing a prank.

I'm very glad that didn't turn out in the finished film. that would have completely ruined the point of the film. it would have turned the bad guys good, and the good guys sort of bad.

and the 'crazy people wind up right' shit is too over-played.