When can you kill in America with a concealed gun (permitted of course)

[IIIII]

If you are a cop then this:

Michael Moore- The Awful Truth - YouTube

Michael Moore- The Awful Truth - YouTube
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[p6867]

Originally Posted by IIIII

If you are a cop then this:

Michael Moore- The Awful Truth - YouTube

God micheal moore is such an asshole.

[5.56 SS109]

Originally Posted by p6867

God micheal moore is such an asshole a giant faggot.

fix't

[Jive Talka]

[Figure-8]

Originally Posted by IIIII

If you are a cop then this:

Michael Moore- The Awful Truth - YouTube

Real shit. Just take a step back. Look at the situation.
"Police are seeing things"
One way to say they're killing us for no reason. Man enough to realize it? Or too afraid of the situation? Most are extremely afraid, to the point where they'll become a cop and kill themselves. He is an asshole, he tells the truth on a planet like this.

[reggie_love]

Originally Posted by elf omg

What about when someone is in your home? I know Colorado has the "Make My Day" law, that allows use of deadly force on any person you find in your home that you didn't allow in. If guns are only to be used in life and death scenarios, why does the law permit you to kill an unarmed someone stealing your tv?

It's barbaric, really, and the law is aptly named.

1.) It's called castle doctrine and it's based on the extremely civilized principle (that damned barbaric magna carta) that a person's home is his or her castle and may not be violated. I agree that it's excessive and wrong to shoot someone just for stealing, but how do you know that's all they're there to do? Such laws give citizens the discretion to act in defense of their safety in their own home with less fear of the legal system coming down on them. I don't know if I agree with those laws or believe in their implementation, but it's hardly barbaric to say that a violation of someone's home can be equated to a threat to their well-being.

Also almost all of them require a perceived threat or a felony committed by the intruder, so it's not like you can just shoot somebody for walking into your house.

[virgil caine]

Originally Posted by elf omg

What about when someone is in your home? I know Colorado has the "Make My Day" law, that allows use of deadly force on any person you find in your home that you didn't allow in. If guns are only to be used in life and death scenarios, why does the law permit you to kill an unarmed someone stealing your tv?

It's barbaric, really, and the law is aptly named.

bs its not barbaric

[p6867]

Originally Posted by elf omg

http://www.nytimes.com/1990/06/01/us...-a-threat.html

Well people shouldn't break into houses then. Also you are intentionally derailing this thread as the OP states quite clearly we are not talking about in the home. You just want to stir up shit but do it in a calm way like you are just part of the general discussion, when really you are moving the discussion away from the topic to a place where you can start problems. It'd be cool if you developed some hobbies or talents or knowledge in any field so you could contribute to the technical boards instead of just trolling them.

[LavaRed]

Originally Posted by elf omg

What about when someone is in your home? I know Colorado has the "Make My Day" law, that allows use of deadly force on any person you find in your home that you didn't allow in. If guns are only to be used in life and death scenarios, why does the law permit you to kill an unarmed someone stealing your tv?

It's barbaric, really, and the law is aptly named.

I actually agree with you. If someone breaks into my home unarmed, the last thing I'd do is use a gun on them. Why shoot them and let them have the easy way out, when I can just overpower them and make sure they die a slow and painful death and then feed them to my pack of feral dogs.

And I wouldn't be doing that because they attempted to steal anything. I'd be doing it simply because they trespassed on my territory.

[Figure-8]

Originally Posted by virgil caine

bs its not barbaric

What's not barbaric about using light-speed technology to communicate ideas across time and space.
And then using chemistry to propel an object out of a tunnel at someone to render their CNS inoperable.
" You mean...we don't have to shoot them in the head.....there are other ways?"
No, just shoot everyone you don't like in the head and see what happens.
Could you imagine. Super advanced beings that are still the leading cause of their own deaths.
Why.
"I want dem objects"
Ok.
"*Shoots object at high speed at you*"
*turns into an object*
D:

[p6867]

^This message is hidden because Figure-8 is on your ignore list.

Please return to Retards and Schizos. We don't particularly need your what i'm sure was valuable input that would have changed my life.

[Eskorbuto]

Well, I know Figure-8 won't fight back when I come over to rob him later tonight. That will put my mind at ease, this should be a piece of cake!

[Figure-8]

I'll break your arm with my legs, because my other arm hurts.
Then I'll sit on your chest with my knee on your jugular and my elbow around the back of your kneck. I'll just use a wrist lock on my right wrist to hold everything in place with my abs and back. f you squirm, I'll just increase the pressure until you pass out. You'll wake up somewhere else. Probably just outside on the yard. : D

Obviously just playing, but I would use an arm bar because I have an injury. It's the easiest. Obviously I would not let you get up to run around and break shit/on me, so I would probably have to perform a choke. Again, with an injury so it would be awkward. If I didn't have an injury, it would be very fun, very scary, but I would love to test your skill. I am very good on the ground, and I know most people aren't. It's the core strength, balance, and faith really. Most people don't have faith in the muscles that would be used at that point. I don't like fighting, but everyone should know how to use their body to defend themselves from somebody else.

Guns though, they add a whole different plan of attack.

And I wouldn't hurt you or anything or anyone else trying to rob me. Well, I definitely wouldn't hurt an animal that didn't needed it. But if a person was just being desperate then I would resolve the situation as peacefully as possible.

If someone deliberately played on me being nice, I would make them rethink their situation.

[Jive Talka]

Do you actually do any grappling-based martial arts or are you just talking out of your ass?

[Figure-8]

Not in a long time, and I'm pretty much on a long journey to recovery from here on out. I'll probably be long boarding, practicing yoga and tai chi/falun dalfa. I would like some martial art, but the chances of basically ending being able to do anything are too high right now.

I guess I was distracted this past couple years. But when you roll around, like I do, it's usually BJJ.

[sexually vulnerable CPR dummy]

Originally Posted by p6867

Oh, see this is a place for the discussion of the responsible uses of weapons, not silly teenage fantasy violence bullshit.

You must not have read the forum heading, i understand.

[Figure-8]

^ The above is under the max amount of allotted fantasy allowed. And the second half of my post is what you would have to do when you cannot use your arms for striking.

[Eskorbuto]

So, if I bring a gun you'll just let me rob you? Right?

[Figure-8]

I don't think you'll bring a gun, so no.

[The Cheshire Cat]

Every year the 'Use of Force' class gets longer and longer... No matter what your local law says, if you pop someone in pure defense or an intruder in your home, just be prepared to do a lot of sitting in court and all your weapons being taken away.

[ilovechronic]

I forgot to mention the reasonable person standard. In my state atleast they compare your case to a fictitious "reasonable person" where any rational person would likely react the same way you reacted in your situation.

[mizled]

Legally, in Texas, you don't have to roll over and be a chump if someone tries to rob, assault, or otherwise fuck with you.
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Texans are allowed to use deadly force "without retreat" when defending themselves inside their homes, cars and workplaces.
Texas law, SB 378, allows the reasonable use of deadly force without retreat when the intruder is:
committing certain violent crimes, such as murder or sexual assault, or is attempting to commit such crimes,
is unlawfully trying to enter a protected place, or unlawfully trying to remove a person from a protected place.
The law provides both criminal and civil immunity for persons lawfully using deadly force in the above circumstances.

As far as out on the street with a valid Concealed Carry Handgun License:

Deadly Force in Defense of your Person
"A person is justified in using deadly force against another to the degree he reasonable believes that deadly force is immediately necessary to protect himself against the other's use or attempted use of unlawful deadly force, if a reasonable person in the same situation would have not retreated. The use of deadly force is also justified to prevent the other's imminent commission of aggravated kidnapping, murder, rape or robbery."

Defense of Another Person
"A person is justified in using deadly force against an attacker to protect another person if he would be justified to use it to protect himself against an unlawful attack and he reasonably believes his intervention is immediately necessary to protect the other person from serious injury or death."

Deadly Force to Protect Property
"A person is justified in using deadly force against another to protect his property to the degree he reasonably believes the force is immediately necessary to prevent the other's imminent commission of arson, burglary, robbery, theft during the nighttime or criminal mischief during the nighttime, and he reasonably believes that the property cannot be protected by any other means."

"A person is justified in using deadly force against another to pervent the other who is fleeing after committing burglary, robbery, or theft during the nighttime, from escaping with the property and he reasonable believes that the property cannot be recovered by any other means; or, the use of force other than deadly force to protect or recover the property would expose him or another to a substantial risk of death or serious bodily injury. (Nighttime is defined as the period 30 minutes after sunset until 30 minutes before sunrise.)"

Protection of the Property of Others
"A person is justified in using force or deadly force against another to protect the property of a third person if he reasonably believes he would be justified to use similar force to protect his own property, and he reasonably believes that there existed an attempt or actual commission of the crime of theft or criminal mischief."

"Also, a person is justified in using force or deadly force if he reasonably believes that the third person has requested his protection of property; or he has a legal duty to protect the property; or the third person whose property he is protecting is his spouse, parent or child."

Reasonable Belief
"It is not necessary that there should be actual danger, as a person has the right to defend his life and person from apparent danger as fully and to the same extent as he would have were the danger real, as it reasonably appeared to him from his standpoint at the time."

It's good to be a Texan.

[Rude Louis]

Originally Posted by mizled

It's good to be a Texan.

I was out in the woods once (Texas) with a friend of mine, we were both teenagers. I was following the fence line between my property and one of my asshole neighbors. One of his dumbass dogs starts barking way off in the distance because it hears me talking to my friend and all of a sudden I hear the door to my neighbors slam. I couldn't see him at the time because there was brush between the fence and his property.

Keep in mind I'm on my side of the fence.

He starts yelling and screaming "Who out there" all threatening like. My friend is flipping his shit because he can see my neighbor holding a double barrel shotgun. So (without my neighbor seeing me) I shout to him that we're just walking through the woods and my neighbor gets all uppity and starts barking about how people shouldn't be trespassing and he could shoot us right now and the law would be on his side and "get off my property" and all that shit.

And so I'm about to say that I'm not on his fucking property but my lard-assed friend pusses out and starts apologizing and shit and I move in to view and get him to shut up long enough to explain to my neighbor that he doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about I'm not on his fucking property. And then he fucking fires his gun in the air, turns around, and stalks off all pissed that he didn't get to be the big man John Wayne cowboy hero protecting his piece of shit house and garage.

I bet he'd have dragged us on his side of the fence had he accidentally shot his neighbor's kid and his fat-ass friend.

Oh yes mizled, Texas is wonderful.

[mizled]

^Sorry about that, my dad always was kind of an asshole..

[ilovechronic]

Most conservative states have adopted the castle laws (no duty to retreat)

[RadicalApex]

In case anybody ever shoots anybody these are 3 pretty simple rules that help generally anywhere in the US, few places excluded.

1. Shoot to kill.
2. "I was afraid for my life, he said he was going to kill me." Then shut your mouth.
3. Lawyer.

[High School Janitor]

I cant understand anyone who says they wouldn't shoot to kill or at least disable someone caught in their own home. What would you do? Say excuse me and ask them to leave? I cant trust anyone who doesn't care about the safety of themselves, family or their property enough to properly defend them if need be.

[p6867]

Originally Posted by Rude Louis

I was out in the woods once (Texas) with a friend of mine, we were both teenagers. I was following the fence line between my property and one of my asshole neighbors. One of his dumbass dogs starts barking way off in the distance because it hears me talking to my friend and all of a sudden I hear the door to my neighbors slam. I couldn't see him at the time because there was brush between the fence and his property.

Keep in mind I'm on my side of the fence.

He starts yelling and screaming "Who out there" all threatening like. My friend is flipping his shit because he can see my neighbor holding a double barrel shotgun. So (without my neighbor seeing me) I shout to him that we're just walking through the woods and my neighbor gets all uppity and starts barking about how people shouldn't be trespassing and he could shoot us right now and the law would be on his side and "get off my property" and all that shit.

And so I'm about to say that I'm not on his fucking property but my lard-assed friend pusses out and starts apologizing and shit and I move in to view and get him to shut up long enough to explain to my neighbor that he doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about I'm not on his fucking property. And then he fucking fires his gun in the air, turns around, and stalks off all pissed that he didn't get to be the big man John Wayne cowboy hero protecting his piece of shit house and garage.

I bet he'd have dragged us on his side of the fence had he accidentally shot his neighbor's kid and his fat-ass friend.

Oh yes mizled, Texas is wonderful.

It's in no way legal to shoot people for trespassing in texas. So had he killed you, he would go to jail, just like in any other state.

[sexually vulnerable CPR dummy]

Say somebody robs you at gun point and runs off. Are you legally allowed to chase them down and shoot them in order to get your money back?

[5.56 SS109]

Originally Posted by sexually vulnerable CPR dummy

Say somebody robs you at gun point and runs off. Are you legally allowed to chase them down and shoot them in order to get your money back?

In general it would be considered murder if you did such a thing as the person who robbed you is no longer a threat when they are running away.

[psychomanthis]

Originally Posted by 5.56 SS109

In general it would be considered murder if you did such a thing as the person who robbed you is no longer a threat when they are running away.

If you live in texas and are robbed at night it's perfectly legal

Originally Posted by mizled

"A person is justified in using deadly force against another to pervent the other who is fleeing after committing burglary, robbery, or theft during the nighttime, from escaping with the property and he reasonable believes that the property cannot be recovered by any other means; or, the use of force other than deadly force to protect or recover the property would expose him or another to a substantial risk of death or serious bodily injury. (Nighttime is defined as the period 30 minutes after sunset until 30 minutes before sunrise.)"

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[ilovechronic]

Originally Posted by LavaRed

I actually agree with you. If someone breaks into my home unarmed, the last thing I'd do is use a gun on them. Why shoot them and let them have the easy way out, when I can just overpower them and make sure they die a slow and painful death and then feed them to my pack of feral dogs.

And I wouldn't be doing that because they attempted to steal anything. I'd be doing it simply because they trespassed on my territory.

How do you know they are unarmed?
How do you know they are not going to charge you and try to take your weapon?
How do you know they are not going to find an improvised weapon?