The Ron Paul Thread - Page 27

Malice · #**1041** 02-29-2012, 09:45 AM

Ron Paul Betrays Libertarian Principles Again. - YouTube

Holy shit, this guy needs to be punched in the face.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_O'Donnell

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O'Donnell called himself a "practical European socialist" in a Newsmaker Interview dated November 11, 2005.[26] Despite regularly expressing support for regulated capitalism and mixed economies, O'Donnell again declared himself a "socialist" on the November 6, 2010 Morning Joe show, stating: "I am not a progressive. I am not a liberal who is so afraid of the word that I had to change my name to 'progressive'. Liberals amuse me. I am a socialist. I lie to the extreme left, the extreme left of you mere liberals."[27] On the 1 August 2011 episode of The Last Word, O'Donnell further explained, "I have been calling myself a socialist ever since I first read the definition of socialism in the first economics class I took in college." O'Donnell went on to state that what he means by calling himself a socialist is

Well, that explains it.

Malice · #**1042** 02-29-2012, 11:13 AM

Abortion is a genuine argument, but criticizing him for talking about morality is incredibly childish and really shows what a simplistic thought process people have. It's the standard reactionaryism that's so common among the common man.

A good example of this is free love/polyamory/polygamy. Most people believe in maintaining a monogamous relationship because that's in line with their values, their morality. There are people that advocate polyamory and would criticize them. If someone you're in a relationship with has sex with another person or has a romantic relationship with them, it doesn't have to hurt you, no one's rights (an abstract concept, you can argue that anything is a right) are being violated, but most would end the relationship if they found out that it was occurring. You're essentially con firming that you consider that action immoral, immoral enough to end your relationship with that person.

So if your moral ideal is that you should only have sex with a person if you've made a strong commitment to them, and maybe confirmed it through a strong act, such as marriage, which in a libertarian society wouldn't have the state involved and would just be a ritual, usually used as a pronouncement to the world, and from an evolutionary view a signal that your partner is off limits and perhaps a show of affluence to expose your social standing and possibly increase it. So you could have that view and still be a libertarian as long as you don't believe in imposing it on other people.

He was also talking about how the libertarians he knows love sex, and he can't say any more on the program, which is likely an expression of his stereotypical views on a group of people he dislikes. Yeah, all libertarians are crazy and wild about sex. If I said all liberals love abortion, would that be fair?

Psych · #**1043** 02-29-2012, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Malice

Ron Paul Betrays Libertarian Principles Again. - YouTube

That guys funny, reminds me of a bill o'rielly or sean hannity. Making connections between ideas that don't exist. "Ron Paul thinks it's immoral to have sex without wanting a child." Umm where did that come from?

He obviously thought it was immoral to have irresponsible sex and then not accept the consequences of your actions. He doesn't believe it to be a privacy rights' issue like the supreme court in Roe vs Wade and thus he would not be going against the constitutions right to privacy. When your an obgyn and you have to see little half babies on sonar everyday and then pick an arbitrary date at which it is too close to human form to morally destroy it. I can see then why he is against abortion.

Which I can understand, don't agree with, but his line of reasoning makes perfect sense and doesn't put him at odds with his other stances. This dunce is making the case with the premise that Paul is a Libertarian. He definitely has libertarian positions but I don't think Paul is a true Libertarian. More like a true Constitutionalist.

Marsh · #**1044** 02-29-2012, 03:13 PM

So I dont understand... RP says they are in 2nd according to delegates, but every calculation I've seen has him in last. Is this more of the Anti-Ron Paul media blockade?

-SpectraL · #**1045** 02-29-2012, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Marsh

So I dont understand... RP says they are in 2nd according to delegates, but every calculation I've seen has him in last. Is this more of the Anti-Ron Paul media blockade?

You have only to look at the actual attendance figures and count the actual supporters to know the media results are a complete fabrication/hoax being successfully pulled off on the sheeple of the country by the elite. Everything you see about the results is a complete and utter falsehood.

Psych · #**1046** 02-29-2012, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Marsh

So I dont understand... RP says they are in 2nd according to delegates, but every calculation I've seen has him in last. Is this more of the Anti-Ron Paul media blockade?

http://ivn.us/2012/02/15/ron-paul-co...elegate-count/

While anecdotal, evidence exists that Dr. Paul’s slates have dominated the process in terms of selecting delegates who choose delegates. While Dr. Paul’s campaign is confident, their facts will have to face a reality check in all these caucus states – but those are outcomes no one will know for at least 3 months. One interesting event is for certain, in Iowa last week, A.J. Spiker was elected State Republican Party Chair. Mr. Spiker happens to be a key Paul supporter, a fact which begins to lend credibility to Dr. Paul and his campaign. Their campaign walking away with a sweep of Iowa delegates doesn’t seem so crazy now.

Translated, this means the true breakdown of “who-got-what” in quantifiable terms may not be known for several weeks.

ZappaFan · #**1047** 02-29-2012, 04:13 PM

Financial Services Hearing Highlights Feb 29 2012 - YouTube

Malice · #**1048** 02-29-2012, 04:42 PM

Keynes vs Hayek, it will finally be decided!

ZappaFan · #**1049** 03-01-2012, 01:40 AM

Body language expert analyzes Ron Paul as genuine - YouTube

ZappaFan · #**1050** 03-01-2012, 07:55 PM

RON PAUL'S GOT THE BALLS - YouTube

Psych · #**1051** 03-01-2012, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by ZappaFan

Body language expert analyzes Ron Paul as genuine - YouTube

I wonder what she said about the other candidates body language...

And that last video was a waste of my time.

-SpectraL · #**1052** 03-01-2012, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by ZappaFan

RON PAUL'S GOT THE BALLS - YouTube

I listened all the way through that, and there were moments during when the votes were being individually announced where a sense of complete surety comes over you that the "official" election results are plainly being rigged. There were many moments there where Paul was getting dozens of consecutive votes in the call, and it happened numerous times throughout. It was spooky the way he was bringing in all the votes, and yet you knew in the back of your mind that wasn't at all what the "official" media sources were spewing.

ZappaFan · #**1053** 03-01-2012, 09:02 PM

Ron Pauls KSL-Utah Straw Poll By Landslide (2-23-12) - YouTube

Did anyone notice he couldn't count?

nshanin · #**1054** 03-01-2012, 09:47 PM

^Conspiracy!

Psych · #**1055** 03-02-2012, 02:30 AM

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Originally Posted by ZappaFan

Ron Pauls KSL-Utah Straw Poll By Landslide (2-23-12) - YouTube

Did anyone notice he couldn't count?

I though that graphic was odd, with Paul winning but being in the lower right hand side. That's mind games right there.

Psych · #**1056** 03-02-2012, 04:18 AM

Ron Paul on Piers Morgan Tonight - CNN - March 1, 2012 - YouTube

Ron Paul sounding more coherent in this interview than ever.

ZappaFan · #**1057** 03-02-2012, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Psych

I though that graphic was odd, with Paul winning but being in the lower right hand side. That's mind games right there.

Yeah, but thats nothing new. Im pretty sure I posted somewhere in this thread about this kinna BS. I wanna say the title is along the lines of 'Ron Paul honest mistake' or something similar. They pull this shit alot.

ZappaFan · #**1058** 03-02-2012, 03:28 PM

Lol wtf...

Rick Santorum Requests Secret Service, Ron Paul Needs No Such Thing! - YouTube

Psych · #**1059** 03-02-2012, 05:33 PM

Gingrich, Paul on Face the Nation this Sunday - YouTube

Ron Paul and Newt Gingrich on Face the Nation this Sunday, March 4th

ZappaFan · #**1060** 03-02-2012, 06:24 PM

Ron Paul Questions Hilary Clinton On Iran, Iraq, and Afghanistan (3-1-12) - YouTube

ZappaFan · #**1061** 03-02-2012, 10:45 PM

Didn't see this coming...

Ron Paul is a Moron - YouTube

ZappaFan · #**1062** 03-04-2012, 05:33 PM

Ron Paul Vs Indefinite Detention (NDAA) - YouTube

ZappaFan · #**1063** 03-05-2012, 12:47 AM

RON PAUL DELEGATE WASHINGTON STATE DOMINATION! - YouTube

Psych · #**1064** 03-05-2012, 05:33 AM

Ron Paul Interview On CNN 'State Of The Union' ~ 03-04-12 - YouTube

ZappaFan · #**1065** 03-05-2012, 11:25 PM

Ben Swann On Fox News Panel About Ohio Primary 03/05/12 - YouTube

JustinBieberz · #**1066** 03-05-2012, 11:33 PM

Ron isn't going to win presidency. Although I do support his beliefs, not many registered voters do.

Psych · #**1067** 03-06-2012, 12:52 AM

Ron Paul Interview On Face The Nation 03/04/12 - YouTube

ZappaFan · #**1068** 03-06-2012, 09:39 PM

Oh yes!
SUPA TUESDAY YOU MUTHA FACKOS!!!

I was there voting the minute the primary opened up. I can't remember the last time I was so excited to wake up at 5:30 AM. I was a little bummed out when I seen that the votes were counted by a machine. Its the same machine that I posted in here earlier about how easy it was to corrupt the votes. I mean I was pretty much expecting that the votes were gonna be tallied up that way, but still...

I also remember when I voted for Bob Barr in the 2008 election, it was all done on a touch screen computer. Normally technology is pretty badass, but its so easy to rig the voting numbers. I want to go back to the traditional way of voting, but I dont see that happening...

ZappaFan · #**1069** 03-06-2012, 11:59 PM

Rick Santorum's Google Problem - YouTube

is all mememememe with me · #**1070** 03-07-2012, 02:20 AM

not looking like such a supa tuesday for mr paul then

-SpectraL · #**1071** 03-07-2012, 02:52 AM

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Originally Posted by ZappaFan

Rick Santorum's Google Problem - YouTube

That story itself is probably a clever ruse by the corporate-backed media to get people to Google Santorum's name, thus bringing him up in the Google rankings. Nobody Google his name. He's a common piece of shit anyways.

ZappaFan · #**1072** 03-07-2012, 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by is all mememememe with me

not looking like such a supa tuesday for mr paul then

Considering the fact that the MSM ignores him all the time, with only mentions of Paul being a loon... I'd say he did pretty good. In terms of delegates on Tuesday, Newt had the worst outcome of the 4, despite his win in Georgia.

is all mememememe with me · #**1073** 03-08-2012, 04:41 AM

don't get me wrong zap, he's my man too, but it just isn't looking good for him.

Malice · #**1074** 03-08-2012, 05:02 AM

Oh god, 4 years of Obama or Romney would be so fucking disastrous. Most of you guys have no idea how bad things are quickly going to get.

L33tz · #**1075** 03-08-2012, 05:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Malice

Oh god, 4 years of Obama or Romney would be so fucking disastrous. Most of you guys have no idea how bad things are quickly going to get.

iran will be the first step

is all mememememe with me · #**1076** 03-08-2012, 05:56 AM

i'm not 100% on this, but i don't think people are gonna put up with another iraq/afganistan. but then hopefully it'll be the kick up the ass people need to wake them up from this bs.

Psych · #**1077** 03-08-2012, 04:31 PM

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i don't think people are gonna put up with another iraq/afganistan.

Yes they will. And if they don't a small iranian terrorist attack on a well known american local will have everybody saying "kill those towelheads!" once again.

is all mememememe with me · #**1078** 03-08-2012, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Psych

Yes they will. And if they don't a small iranian terrorist attack on a well known american local will have everybody saying "kill those towelheads!" once again.

iran isn't going to be anywhere near as simple as iraq or stan. for one we have already declared the withdrawal from afganistan by 2014. but a large chunk of iran borders afganistan and those butthurt taliban fighters will be only too quick to aid iran in a war with america and the west. which means we won't actually be able to withdraw at all, or we will be just fighting them both. secondly, iran itself is nearly 3 times the size of afganistan and is much better equipped. its unlikely we could afford a war with them now and with the economy the way it is it will be very unfavorable with the public. even more so than iraq or stan ever was. especially after all that fuss with WMDs supposedly in iraq, and how little both those wars achieved. no ones gonna be up for this whatever happens.

Psych · #**1079** 03-08-2012, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by is all mememememe with me

iran isn't going to be anywhere near as simple as iraq or stan. for one we have already declared the withdrawal from afganistan by 2014.

Yea they've been saying that in my country for 6 years now.
Withdrawal by 2007, 2009, 10, 11,... I believe Obama promised to have withdrawn from Iraq by now, and that's not happening. They always put a time table on it and then just push it back once the date arrives.

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but a large chunk of iran borders afganistan and those butthurt taliban fighters will be only too quick to aid iran in a war with america and the west.

Ugh. Such a simplistic point of view. They're both brown people, they'd probably get along if it was to fight the evil Americans they hate so much.

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which means we won't actually be able to withdraw at all, or we will be just fighting them both.

Yes you will be still in Afghanistan and attacking Iran from Iraq, Afghanistan, Turkey, Pakistan, and several other countries. It's obvious that America is preparing to attack Iran. They have them surrounded and have already started to control shipping routes. All they need now is the American people on their side. Insert __________ domestic scare, suddenly it's back to "We're so scared, kill the towelheads!!"

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secondly, iran itself is nearly 3 times the size of afganistan and is much better equipped. its unlikely we could afford a war with them now and with the economy the way it is it will be very unfavorable with the public. even more so than iraq or stan ever was. especially after all that fuss with WMDs supposedly in iraq, and how little both those wars achieved. no ones gonna be up for this whatever happens.

I think it's rather in favour with the public right now. They msm is blathering on and on about the "threat" from Iran and what America should do about it. All it would take is one little bomb, blamed on a iranian, and every american is on board with the war in Iran. Their patriotism will blind them, it will be 9/11 all over again.

And whether or not it's affordable to go to war seems not to matter to the general public. Ask your average joe what the deficit is, get a blank stare. Ask him where Iran is on a map, get a blank stare.

Rust · #**1080** 03-08-2012, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Psych

I believe Obama promised to have withdrawn from Iraq by now, and that's not happening. They always put a time table on it and then just push it back once the date arrives.

What? No. Obama did in fact withrdraw troops from Iraq. You're clearly not informed. The only people that stayed behind are embassy workers (working at the embassy in Baghdad), and a very small amount of troops in Kuwait which are also supposed to be withdrawn soon (if it hasn't happened yet).

The withdrawal from Iraq happened.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-end-year.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Withdra...oops_from_Iraq

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