Archived: Opiate withdrawal remedies (new)

[IWD]

So, with awareness and complete respect to the Thomas recipe for opiate/opioid withdrawal, I was thinking we, as in the BLTC userbase here on zoklet, could add even more information to the collective amount of knowledge that the internet contains in relation to this matter. I'm also messing with different font types, as you have noticed. Fuck you.

I got the idea when I tried something new today that helped, and since I haven't read about it online (and I've read nearly everything about this online.. for some reason, it's what I like to do when I'm detoxing and losing my mind with discomfort. I guess it reminds my subconscious that it's going to pass, and that the world is aware of the severit of what I'm going through.

Anyways, I made a post today in the thread I made weeks ago about quitting opiates. I explained how I was absolutely starting to lose my mind & how I was starting to freak out because I'm on day 3 of dropping from 300-1200(or more occasionally) mg of oxy a day, or around the equivalent with different types of opiates/opioids, down to 60 mg per day. 1 CDN 40 (Fuck OxyNeo, I'm glad I saved a supply of the old-school regular oxycontins and didn't sell any to some people that wanted to buy some a few weeks ago.) and 4 5/325 percocets. After I made that post, someone I know brought me home some gravol (dimenhydrinate) and some cough syrup with dextromethorphan (DM) in it.

I've read a lot of things relating to taking the edge off of opiate withdrawal without actually taking opiates, and it IS known that DM does do something good for opioid dependence. I've heard that it prevents tolerance from occuring, or makes it occur more slowly, and I've heard that it prevents withdrawals from being at their worst. I have NOT, however, heard of anyone taking Dimenhydrinate (Gravol) for opiate withdrawal.

This helps the most in the sense that it causes a buzz, when taken at 200mg (for threshold, I'm guessing) and the buzz from it seems to allow you to stare off into one spot, kind of like you're experiencing depersonalization and you're nothing more than a thought in the air. To get THAT much from it, you'd need to take about 1500 mg, I'm guessing. I take 200-500 mg, or, have taken that much 4-5 times in the past couple of weeks since I realized that it helps with opiate problems.

When I took 200mg today, after writing that post explaining how I was starting to lose it with the withdrawals, a miracle happened. I nodded out, and woke up five hours later. To anyone facing withdrawal, getting those jolts where you have to throw your arms out or kick your legs every few seconds, and you're just lying there in misery uncomfortable in any position for longer than 2 seconds, it helps with that. Decent periods (edit* decent periods of sleep) is your best friend in withdrawal.

Anyways, that's my contribution for now. I might add the entire Thomas recipe, and every single piece of relation relating to this that I can find on the internet. I want to know every thing there is to take, every single daily ritual that can make this easier.. just ANY knowledge there is, all summed up together collectively in THIS thread. Everything. Every possible piece of knowledge there is about making this easier from the collective amount of minds that have been there or that have any information to offer. Not just for me.. lots of people are on the internet reading about what to do for opiate withdrawal. There's probably a million or more people online looking for stuff like this, only to find the same old things re-written on 5-6 different sites like I always do. The internet really doesn't have that much to offer about this. Will continue tomorrow.

[kingOfCrash]

Over the counter / No connects

Immodium AD / Loperamide (for all withdrawals)
Generic cough suppressant / DXM - Dextromethorphan (will help slightly in theraputic doses. may help a lot if you trip.)
Bayer / Aspirin (general analgesic)
Tylenol / Acetaminophen(general analgesic)
Aleve / Naproxen (general analgesic)
Advil - Motrin / Ibuprofen (general analgesic)
DLPA / DL-Phenylalanine (DLPA has been found to be most useful for chronic pain and depression.)**
Kratom (chew whole leaves) (it is a narcotic that has opiate like qualities.)
Poppy pods/seed products (it's opium, it'll "help" with your withdrawals.)

Prescribed / Street

Suboxone. Suboxone and Subutex / Buprenorphine (a semi-synthetic opiate with partial agonist and antagonist actions)
Revia, Depade and Vivitrol / Naltrexone (an opioid receptor antagonist, so all withdrawals)
Ultram / Tramadol
ANY NARCOTIC PAIN RELIEVER, OBVIOUSLY

Additional drugs include drugs that may indirectly alleviate opiate withdrawal symptoms[easiest-hardest to get]

Benadryl / DPH - Diphenhydramine (will help relax you)
Vitamin C (this gets depleted and makes you feel overall less healthy, so taking some will make you feel better)
Melatonin (will help with sleep and will help you be relaxed during the day)
Valerian Root ( " " )
ANY DISSOCIATIVE (relieves pain)
Dramamine, Gravol, and Vertirosan / Dimenhydrinate (relaxes you and will help you feel less nauseous/ puke.
ANY BENZO / BENZODIAZEPINE (will relax you and relieve muscle aches) http://www.erowid.org/pharms/benzodiaze ... pine.shtml

Things that you can do

Exercise (amazingly helps with everything but the runs and don't run while you're nauseous)
Eat healthy (fruits and vegetables, will help cleanse your body, making you feel better and shorten span of your withdrawals.)
Get sleep (this will be a problem, but it will improve your overall sense of well-being)
Smoke weed (unless it is real bad, this will help you feel less sick, imo)
Warm bath/shower (helps relax the muscles, and will help you if you have the chills. my legs feel frozen)
Heating pad (especially around the legs) ( " ")
Receiving a massage (help relax the muscles and will help your overall health)
Abstain from caffeine (as long as you aren't dependent on it) (it antagonizes the withdrawals)

*Loperamide, in large doses (40-100+mg) helps alleviate ALL withdrawal symptoms, unless it is some serious withdrawals.

Suboxone pretty much will stop and help any withdrawal you are going through.


**http://www.relieve-migraine-headache.com/dlpa.html

In the theoretical category, I've heard reports of breakthrough salvia trips(and perhaps other psychadelics) that help end addiction. I don't know if it does something to the brain to end the dependence, or if it is a choice made by some of the experiencers.

A post I made in another forum a few years ago. Feel free to critique.

[rell]

Just drink beer and smoke yourself retarded until it's gone.

[a334jv2df]

Stress the availability of LEGAL diazepines such as phenazepam and etizolam. Diazepines are life savers in withdrawals.

[IWD]

Notice: Do NOT get really fucked up on DXM when you're in withdrawals. Only take a little bit, seriously.

FUCK...

[Duke Zion]

Fuck that, take enough to feel trippy at least

[panthrax]

kingofCrash really hit it with his post. I will be Archiving this thread by the way, so this information remains. It's about time our archives had this sort of collective information. Please keep your posts on topic or related to the topic.

[panthrax]

Also I would like to add that diazepam in particular (in therapeutic doses) is wonderful for the restlessness of opiate withdrawal.

Helps to provide sleep, ease the restless limbs/crawling skin, and generally relax your mind which is essential during full blown withdrawal.

Can't get diazepam? Carisoprodol, brand name Soma, can also provide some of these benefits however you must be careful to take it only in therapeutic doses because it itself can cause Restless Leg Syndrome and the last thing you need is even more discomfort and restlessness.

If you're lucky, you can find carisoprodol/codeine combination as well.

[IWD]

^Should all of the good posts be copied and pasted to the OP with regards to the original author?

On another note, can you buy kratom legally at some sort of store? Where the hell do you get it? Last I've ever heard of it was that kratomdragon guy from totse, and he emailed me saying "It's on its way!" and nothing showed up.

[panthrax]

Originally Posted by IWD

^Should all of the good posts be copied and pasted to the OP with regards to the original author?

On another note, can you buy kratom legally at some sort of store? Where the hell do you get it? Last I've ever heard of it was that kratomdragon guy from totse, and he emailed me saying "It's on its way!" and nothing showed up.

A lot of head shops carry it in the states. If you can't find it in Canada, then perhaps an online vendor would be best suited for you. A simple google search can find you what you're looking for.

[panthrax]

Originally Posted by IWD

^Should all of the good posts be copied and pasted to the OP with regards to the original author?

We'll see how well this thread responds amongst the community first.

[vilbe]

vilbes method [if i could do it perfectly]

as twisted as this may seem, 48 hours in a cold sweat, the 7th hell, eat a ten strip. when you begin thinking what sick fuck suggested this, munch amps. do not expect sleep for nearly 3-4 more days. melt your mind, view your addiction in your palms and walk away. live, choose love, most importantly, realize being a chemical slave is the way to die........



one the massive comedown, munch valium, with liquor and beer as chasers.

[panthrax]

Originally Posted by vilbe

as twisted as this may seem, 48 hours in a cold sweat, the 7th hell, eat a ten strip. when you begin thinking what sick fuck suggested this, munch amps. do not expect sleep for nearly 3-4 more days. melt your mind, view your addiction in your palms and walk away. live, choose love, most importantly, realize being a chemical slave is the way to die........

That is probably the worst advice to ease opiate withdrawal that I have ever heard.

Already have been suffering for 48 hours in full blown withdrawal, in your state of suffering, pain, and discomfort, why in the world would you even induce a very strong psychedelic experience in that terrible state of mind and body?

And then take some speed on top of it?

[IWD]

Originally Posted by vilbe

vilbes method [if i could do it perfectly]

as twisted as this may seem, 48 hours in a cold sweat, the 7th hell, eat a ten strip. when you begin thinking what sick fuck suggested this, munch amps. do not expect sleep for nearly 3-4 more days. melt your mind, view your addiction in your palms and walk away. live, choose love, most importantly, realize being a chemical slave is the way to die........



one the massive comedown, munch valium, with liquor and beer as chasers.

What is a ten strip?

[panthrax]

Originally Posted by vilbe

one the massive comedown, munch valium, with liquor and beer as chasers.

This part is plausible. However, being in a state of opiate withdrawal, just coming down from a likely traumatic psychedelic experience, and a speed binge, I don't know if taking shots of hard liquor and chasing it with beer is the best idea.

You're already nauseous as fuck...

[panthrax]

Originally Posted by IWD

What is a ten strip?

10 doses of a psychedelic on blotter paper, usually LSD. Each hit still connected, forming a strip. Could also be geltabs though.

[vilbe]

Originally Posted by panthrax

Already have been suffering for 48 hours in full blown withdrawal, in your state of suffering, pain, and discomfort, why in the world would you even induce a very strong psychedelic experience in that terrible state of mind and body?

And then take some speed on top of it?

from experiences, acid at least, seemed to enable a pause in the whole withdrawal period that gives the junkie time, space and perspective. sometimes inducing a freakish trip into the nether worlds is what one needs to realize the depths of the situation. sure its the hunter thompson way out, but i'd willing to bet there would be a hell of alot less relapses out there if people had to have a psychological imprint of their sins in their third eye....


the amps are to simply prevent fatigue, and keep a sorta direction. you people and your sleeping a week away sure, that works, when you don't have a life. housewives with kids, and most people with careers simply tweak through the withdrawal yuck.....







its really what ya have to deal with PAWS later though, acute withdrawal is easily over come, but it doesn't stop people like us from fucking up again 10-20 years down the line, finding yourself at square one all over again....





hence the "nitemare"




edit: keep in mind this is just looking back. i'm a bit hazy from dosing again instead of relapsing on posion. so bare with me. rebirth, the withdrawal is a rebirth, and like birth its not fucking pretty. but one needs to melt their old self of its self destructing habits, and shatter away the previous chains that held em down. a mind opening experience is percisely what you need when everythings raging back on eleven, the mind and body will interweve again as one. the euphoria one gets from what ends up feeling so right, enables one to see how the old was so wrong. iunno, it could all be hogwash, but its a novel idea.

[IWD]

Originally Posted by panthrax

10 doses of a psychedelic on blotter paper, usually LSD. Each hit still connected, forming a strip.

FUCK that vilbe. I'm going to have to agree with panthrax here.. it might not be bad advice for everyone.. the toughest ten people in the world, but seriously, fuck doing that. It would be the worst experience someone not being tortured by someone else could possible go through. Ever.

Maybe it's not bad advice, but it's not for me, lol. I see your point but I don't think most people will risk following that advice out of extreme fear.

[vilbe]

well when you find yourself on the self destruction hell of an iv heroin habit at deaths door, its the kick in the pants ya need....


yea i get it, like using a chainsaw to fix a broken leg...

[panthrax]

I will agree with vilbe that there are people out there and even in this very community that might find eating a ten strip of LSD in the midst of full blown opiate withdrawal to be a good idea and even beneficial. For the vast majority of people though, that would not help them, but rather, prolong and amplify their torment.

However, I did see a very interesting documentary once where a pair of Canadians I believe, were treating people for various afflictions with psychedelics.

One woman was addicted to methadone and if I recall correctly, they prepared her Ayahuasca and guided her through the experience. At the end of filming, she seemed to be rid of her addiction, although she still had to deal with the withdrawals.

They wouldn't give her the ayahuasca while she was in withdrawal.

[vilbe]

tidbits and background info:

the thomas recipe somewhat works, although theres no easy way to detox. that being said, king of crash put em all in a nice list. thing with benadryl and other antihistamines [with the pure exception of banging hydroxizine] they will make your legs kill. period. best thing for those legs? requip.


throw away the serakill, the SSRI's. tramadol could be use wisely as a stepping stone, if you have someone to give you your drugs without you taking em in maintenance mode.....




the reason i brought up the acid and tweaking, is it combines to useful things i found no where else out there. sure it sounds like total fucking insanity to trip face in the depths of your withdrawal, but sure enough i bet your drug addiction sounds like total insanity to some if you're at the point where you're looking up how to make the kick better, but theres that hardnosed ima fight fire with gasoline type, this is especially for them....


tweaking enables the dopesick body to function as if it werent sick in a way. the point is to not have tweaked in a while, a good while, and get one more good rush outta that before you burn your chemical bridges and go home...

[IWD]

Good posts vilbe, but I think we should make sure all of the info will be accurate for everyone going through opiate/opioid withdrawal. We don't want anyone trying something they have no experience with and getting any bad surprises. I'm wondering how we should go about this, because people's individual theories about it and methods ARE good to have in this thread.. but I think there should be a list of things that will apply to most people, and definitely no suggestions that could be harmful to naive people. (Like taking the acid. Not knocking you man, you have my respect to the nth degree and I appreciate your responses.)

[vilbe]

IWD does bring up an important point, my method isn't for any i fucked up for a bit and i dont like kicking kind of scenario, its the its life or death phase everyone eventually hits at some point or not struggling with their demons. it's saving you years of therapy, and bullshit white coats poking your mind and prying the required information out of you and teaching you how to cope, and enabling you to do so yourself, at your own leisure, to a degree, as the train is always coming, to take a 2-4 day "rebirth".....





for moderate habits, high dose lope or a tramadol/suboxone/vicodin taper, with a different class sedative everynite. i found sedatives would only work once in a kick. so nite one you need unisom, night two xanax does it, night 3 dxm and booze? fuck iunno, play with it, you'll be bored....


that being said, IWD pointed out somewhere, do NOT TAKE MORE than you need with dxm, being fucked up to oblivion off dxm hurts dopesick....










i have 2 people who swear that MXE helped em quit dope.

[funkatron54]

If you think about it vilbe makes some sense. While I question the use of amps, your body needs sleep to help get in balance again, psychedelics can definitely be beneficial. Iboga has been shown to be effective when dealing with opiate withdrawl. Is it so far off to think other psychedic substances wouldn't also provide similar results? Iboga is said to be very intense so a ten strip might be a good jumping off point. This is all theory though and I wouldn't reccomend this to everyone. Glad to see a thread like this. There were many a sleepless night spent searching for info just like this.

[IWD]

We should also debate what advice is accurate, and have a really level-headed & intelligent mod like panthrax, (who is also damned knowledgeable about drugs and refrains from maliciously spreading mis-information about drugs) get the final say. Maybe we could have the best database of info in regards to this on the entire internet, as there's not really a lot out there aside from the thomas recipe. To other posters, offer your own ideas no matter how absurd you think it may sound, as long as you're not trolling. We can discuss it all in the thread and then panthrax can edit whatever we as a community decide is accurate enough to be added to the list, after he has the final say.

To any other users, vilbe, panthrax, are two of the best people to talk to about this type of thing, and you can bet they're not going to do any ill-natured trolling. I've noticed that the site is gaining several new users, which is great, because I believe websites like this grow exponentially rather than linearly.. but that's another topic.

To the noobs, you can trust anything those two say in this forum. Just to make that more evident, you can also trust me.

[IWD]

I took DXM last night, and all I could find in this lame ass town was plain old cough syrup. I know, fucking retarded, but I was desperate. I was up all night after drinking a 250 mL bottle, which contains 15 mg DXM per 5 mL teaspoon, so I took 750 mg of DXM.

The guafenisin (spellcheck?) in it REALLY made these withdrawals worse, as now I'm so nauseous it's unbelievable, and I'm also way too high. It DID, however, take a lot of the symptoms away, but now I'm just incredibly achy, overtired, and that feeling of needing to thrash my limbs around is worse. I have less anxiety, less chills, and less depression. Overall, due to the severity of the thrashing around feeling, and the nausea, it's worse. It would be worth it 100% to take say.. 200 mg. That's just my estimation, however.

[panthrax]

Originally Posted by IWD

We should also debate what advice is accurate, and have a really level-headed & intelligent mod like panthrax, (who is also damned knowledgeable about drugs and refrains from maliciously spreading mis-information about drugs) get the final say.

Haha. While I appreciate the compliment, I don't believe that I, or any moderator, should have a final say-so on anything our community provides other than the obvious point of our "job". Not to mention, there are other moderators and regular users just as knowledgeable and more as myself in regards to drugs.

Our job as moderators is to ensure on-topic posting and to murder trolls/bots while nurturing the user base into great knowledgeable posters. That's all.

I think we should just each contribute what we know about opiate withdrawal and things that help us and leave it at that. No idea is necessarily a bad idea, it's just it may not be best suited for the majority of people.

[Retard Synrdome]

More heroin.

[Oct]

You should study for a PHD, base your thesis on "heroin withdrawal". You could be a doctor of smack.

[vilbe]

i stress for the final time, as it is a bit extreme, but so is sticking poison in your arm. recent events seem to prove this, i tripped she didn't, i'm clean she's on life support?

go figure eh?



i know we're suposed to use a factual, less is more, harm reduction point. but sometimes the cure is worse at first, than the end. i'm also factoring in [even on its on, tweaking through the thick of it helps] the fact that no one tells you, sleep will be elusive, for months. so tire you fucking self out, fighting the last demon, maybe i fryed myself reading dantes inferno sick one too many times, but i also enlightened myself with the way too....



i hate to be the poster child for the habit that i loathe and disgust. but the fact of the matter is, i'm here on the other side again, not dead and not for sale. not many of us make it here, will you? i'm just giving it how i see it and what i think could of shortened a 5 month time frame into 2 weeks......

[fuckbiscuit]

Everyone knows you can't worm your way out of withdrawal. The closest thing to relief i've found was getting blackout drunk while withdrawing from a pretty heavy heroin habit.

[IWD]

Originally Posted by Octovia

You should study for a PHD, base your thesis on "heroin withdrawal". You could be a doctor of smack.

lol that would make for an epic couple of conversations at my first highschool reunion.

There are lots of good posts on here already guys, awesome job. Panthrax, what if we discuss everything in this thread, and then some of the mods collectively decide on the bits and pieces that could be compiled into a giant text file for the main page? It might bring the site some traffic from a lot of people that will potentially be good contributors to a drug forum like this? Does that sound like a plan to you?