Opioid Research Chemicals

[psychomanthis]

Maybe i live in holland and don't have to worry about the FBI, CIA, what have you.

[psychomanthis]

Originally Posted by InspiredByMe

Dumbasses.

Good job on posting about your plans on a public forum. I can see this will last long.



Hah, ever heard of Marc Emery? The DEA doesn't give a shit about where you live. If they want to fuck you over they will.

Fuck off, just some arbitrary discussion here it's not like we suddenly have a multi million dollar drug bussiness going on.

[iMagiNation]

lol oh NO DISCUSSING SELLING COMPLETELY HALF LEGAL DRUGS ON A FORUM WE'D PROBABLY END UP SELLING THESE DRUGS ON TOTALLY NOT FOR HUMAN CONSUMPTION YEAH WE'RE TOTALLY GETTING BUSTED GUISE

fuck the fuck off fucking fuck go die all of you I hate you all.

[psychomanthis]

Lulz ^

[iMagiNation]

kinda drunk

[Piles of Crack]

Originally Posted by iMagiNation

Maybe. Maybe the US GOVERNMENT SHOULD LEGALIZE ALL DRUGS AND STOP THE FUCKING DRUG WAR.

That can never be allowed to happen in this country, it makes too much sense

[vilbe]

theres gonna be a whole lot of OD's sampling that shit.....

[Hydroponichronic]

Originally Posted by iMagiNation

seriously though guise. there are all kinds of RC vendors and random greed heads that run around the internet trying to find the next big thing. let's use this to our advantage.

You don't need a vendor, you need a chemist. Anyone can vend, but only a chemist can produce. The biggest issue here is that no one wants to make opioid RCs.

Originally Posted by Piles of Crack

Maybe you guys shouldn't be discussing this shit on open forum

It wouldn't matter. As long as no one's discussing anything that is illegal, there's nothing wrong with it. I highly doubt the DEA cares enough to write down and emergency schedule all the drugs people mention in this thread.

[iMagiNation]

You don't need a vendor, you need a chemist. Anyone can vend, but only a chemist can produce. The biggest issue here is that no one wants to make opioid RCs.

lol I'm fairly certain you can find a chemist. The problem is selling it and marketing it and dealing with all the stigma associated with it. So obviously we need someone to take the risk.

[BrainSurgeon]

Originally Posted by Hydroponichronic

I highly doubt the DEA cares enough to write down and emergency schedule all the drugs people mention in this thread.

I wouldn't be suprised.

[Hydroponichronic]

Originally Posted by iMagiNation

lol I'm fairly certain you can find a chemist. The problem is selling it and marketing it and dealing with all the stigma associated with it. So obviously we need someone to take the risk.

Fuck stigma. You PM some people, they PM some people (or talk it up IRL) and the shit sells like hotcakes. Plus, if it's all word of mouth, it stays (sorta) on the DL, and in the hands of responsible people.

If you want to go mainstream (and thus higher risk), all you'd have to do is post about whatever compound you go with on drug forums, put some up on amazon, and watch the money flow in.

[Bradley]

Originally Posted by psychomanthis

I have 1000 dollars who wants to flood the RC market with designer opioids together with me? I need a cook Even if synesthesia labs is right which i highly doubt, i'll take the 10k and keep a nice supply of [insert designer opioid here] for myself.

1000? Homey you're looking at like 30-50k to get a lab to make a novel RC. That's 30-50k and a few months of planning, testing and finally proper manufacturing. And that 30-50k needs to be upfront paid even with the realization that they might come back in two months and say, "It cannot be done. We are sorry." and you get no money.

& with that 30-50k you'd probably 1kg after they fully make it and another kg while not 30-50 would still probably be really really expensive because tehy haven't perfected the synth process (which also leads one to bleieve the remnants of impurities--perhaps toxic ones--likely remains).

Don't worry, these chemicals have been considered and vendors are constantly trying to come up with new product. However it's a matter of cost efficiency, reliability of proper manufacturing of product, availability and, ever so slightly, morality.

Give it 6 months and the community will probably have some fent-analogue. Give it 3 months after that and we'll see some emergency scheduling as soon as 100-10,000 people drop either from impurities ingested in the product over the course of the three months of long term chronic use or from simply overdoses.

The reason some products stay around and other products receive emergency scheduling and fast enacting of legislation against them centers around very few things; emotional mothers crying about dead children, money generated from this grey area, and least of all, health and safety ramifications to the public if nothing is done.

[Hydroponichronic]

Originally Posted by BradleyB93

1000? Homey you're looking at like 30-50k to get a lab to make a novel RC.

No, you don't. Not by a longshot. If you do your own cooking with home-made lab gear, (don't ask me how I know) pumping out a few hundred grams of magic is not undoable. One lesson that organic chemistry classes fail to teach is the fact that there are innumerable ways to synthesize a given compound. I guarantee you can find one that doesn't require expensive equipment or chemicals.

Shit, don't even get me started on opioid peptides. Not only do they completely skirt the analogue act, but they'd be easy as fuck to cook. The only catch is that peptide coupling reagents and protecting groups aren't exactly OTC (though they're not watched precursors either).

[typedthiswithmytits]

Hydro is an old man, he doesn't even have a Walter white complex, he just likes that everyone thinks he does.

[Hydroponichronic]

Originally Posted by typedthiswithmytits

Hydro is an old man, he doesn't even have a Walter white complex, he just likes that everyone thinks he does.

srslytho, I'm too happy with my life to be gettin on some shit. My job's not so bad, pays well, and I'm pretty lazy to begin with. If I was going to break bad, it would be for personal use, as I always have a hard time getting good opes.

If anyone desires it for themselves, I suggest they go make a thread in f&b, where they might gain some ideas.

[iMagiNation]

^^You'd be a BLTC hero.

[Hydroponichronic]

Originally Posted by Synesthesia_Labs

wow this has turned into a out of control racketing conversation im so out of this

i advise you guys to just forget all about this stuff

unless you like dark places with cages

i dont play games with this stuff

You do realize that nothing we're talking about is even remotely illegal? It would be one thing if we were talking about things that could get classified as analogues (eg morphinan or fentanyl based). But most of this is just spitballing about novel opiates.

[Hydroponichronic]

Originally Posted by Synesthesia_Labs

no one has said what anyone is going to make

This is a good thing. It's called plausible deniability.

Originally Posted by Synesthesia_Labs

you do realize that 75% of what was listed is illegal?

Maybe 75% of what was listed was an analogue, making it difficult to prosecute. And as you point out above, no one said specifically what anyone was hoping to get out of this.

Originally Posted by Synesthesia_Labs

and some of them are illegal under the un opioid act?

That's not a real thing, I googled it.

Originally Posted by Synesthesia_Labs

do you realize this post isnt all worded not for human consumption ?

This would apply if what was being discussed was an analogue of something illegal. Without being an analogue, the only thing they could charge a person with is selling nutritional supplements without the approval of the FDA (or similarly trivial violations).

Originally Posted by Synesthesia_Labs

did you also notice that even if legal whatever you make will be ban in a month ?

Says you. I don't believe that to be the case. I call it the kratom effect. The shit has been around for ages, and no one in the US has banned it yet. Because the quality varies with source, half the people who try it write it off as worthless. Others find it to be on par with (or superior to) hydrocodone in effects. Thus is stays off the radar.

Originally Posted by Synesthesia_Labs

do you really think everyone in the group will just "drop it" on a dime?

I don't follow?

[Hydroponichronic]

Wow this thread got just a little bit off topic.

[Gun Lover]

Originally Posted by Hydroponichronic

Wow this thread got just a little bit off topic.

Indeed. I might have just made it a little more OT