Archived: Counterfeiting Money

[11cent]

Originally Posted by SBTlauien

I'm not using any paper, lol.

Is it hard to modify a printer like that?

Wouldn't it just be changing how much ink comes out of the nozzles? Maybe 1/4 as much...

If you print on 100% cotton paper it dont soak up ink. Yes, modifying the amount of ink that comes out.


If you really want to try something new. You can get two one dollars bills bleach the ink off of them, scub them real thin, and glue them together to make a complete bill. You cant get no better than the real paper they use.

[Alexmon]

Briocosmic, those a Matrix Plates. They are used to compress the notes so the ink feels raised.

[SBTlauien]

Originally Posted by bitterlogic

Okay, so my friend read this page from front to back, experimented with almost every technique and here's what he discovered:

For USD..

Newsprint or any type of different paper is sub par and will get you busted. My friend used newsprint, added the watermark, security strip and UV ink to the bill. He then successfully passed a bill and got caught on the second attempt. The feel just isn't there, even with hairspray, matte spray and iron/dryer/hair straightener.

He bought a Canon Pixma Pro 9000 Mark II, great printer, but he says it just can't do a very good job on extremely porous media. He also spent 2 straight weeks (no job as he has a few side gigs ) making a perfect photoshop template at 2400dpi. The files are large as fuck and will slow your computer down to the point of crashing, it would have taken 1 week to complete the art if he wasn't waiting for shit to load after every edit. If trying to pass the bill in good lighting (anything above dim), no matter how good the bill was, you have probably a 75% chance of getting caught on feel alone, theoretically.

Knowing that a 50% success rate isn't anything to rave about, he turned to degreaser, real currency and a Canon MF8080 Color Laser Printer he bought with cash. For anyones friend thinking about attempting this, this is the way to go, he made passable bills, but obviously was unable to add the security features. None of them ever got passed though, after being caught once, he got paranoid and decided to scrap the whole experiment. There is just too many ways to get caught and it's not something that has any serious longevity, unless of course you can find a trustworthy fence, print large denominations, and afford an offset printer all while keeping everything completely secret, but that's all hypothetical.

He also thinks that anyone having any sort of success with this, is not posting on Zoklet.. why would they? If you have something that's working, why give it away, right?

My friends story will probably end up getting flamed here for admitting failure, but he would have appreciated if he came across this post 2 weeks ago.

How did your friend print the micro-printing on the bill using a inkjet printer, without the paper soaking up the ink, smearing it, and causing it to look blurry? Or were his bills blurry?

[zippo]

Art Williams and Albert Talton didn't have the micro print..They only made it appear like it was there, if looked at under magnification or a good eye you would see their microprint was all blurry. Nowadays the inkjets can produce a more convincing microprint then back then. Art could of done the microprint well with the offset tho if he touched the plate up.

[zippo]

Originally Posted by TCdboy

Well boys I found one company but I don't know if they sale to individuals!
http://www.catalystpaper.com/product...lyst-directory

You need to find someone who resells their paper.. as I think most major paper manufacturers only supply by the ton.

[Alexmon]

tip: No point buying 10,000 sheets of paper from china but if you are going to buy a lot just request a small sample beforehand.

[Santy Claws]

Does anyone know if Epson's resolution specs on their website also include black ink? For example specs might read: 'Maximum Print Resolution: 5760 x 1440 dpi'. As oppose to the Canon website, Where they give you specs for both color and black resolution. Is this because Epson uses a different type of technology? Piezoelectric that incorporates black and color under the same umbrella? Just asking because a minimum black dpi of 1200 is required for art projects.

[SBTlauien]

Originally Posted by zippo

Art Williams and Albert Talton didn't have the micro print..They only made it appear like it was there, if looked at under magnification or a good eye you would see their microprint was all blurry. Nowadays the inkjets can produce a more convincing microprint then back then. Art could of done the microprint well with the offset tho if he touched the plate up.

Ohhh, I see.

Originally Posted by Santy Claws

Does anyone know if Epson's resolution specs on their website also include black ink? For example specs might read: 'Maximum Print Resolution: 5760 x 1440 dpi'. As oppose to the Canon website, Where they give you specs for both color and black resolution. Is this because Epson uses a different type of technology? Piezoelectric that incorporates black and color under the same umbrella? Just asking because a minimum black dpi of 1200 is required for art projects.

Those resolutions are for actual photos on photo paper(with a waxy surface used for collecting ink rather than letting it smear). Those resolutions on actual paper look like shit...unless a person finds a way to change the nozzles in the printer to use much less ink for each droplet...

[Santy Claws]

Originally Posted by SBTlauien

Ohhh, I see.



Those resolutions are for actual photos on photo paper(with a waxy surface used for collecting ink rather than letting it smear). Those resolutions on actual paper look like shit...unless a person finds a way to change the nozzles in the printer to use much less ink for each droplet...

Which resolutions are you referring to? (The Epson or Canon, have you looked around both websites) I'm confused. I thought the resolution mentioned for said inkjets. Applied to printing with ink using said printer. Not photocopying unless I missed something. If you're talking about the Epsons. Then I guess you'd have to call in on the printers you'd be interested in, and ask for printing specs as far as black dpi, etc....

[zippo]

All Canon inkjet printers use thermal heat to produce ink droplets.. Epson printers use electric pulses to produce ink droplets. You can reduce ink volume in settings, a lot has to do with the paper you are using inkjet's aren't really meant to print on thin paper.. so if doing so you may have to make some adjustments to ink volume, and may even need to coat the paper with something to help prevent bleeding and improve the printing quality all together.

If your printing software doesn't have the ability to reduce ink volume.. There are some programs you can download that claim they will reduce ink usage.

[dynworan]

I read somewhere that using a printer was a dumb idea. This other method made negatives of real notes, transfered to some sort of rubber, than onto a metal plate. then they would be using the actual method they use to print genuine currency.

·§ �� �� � �§Counterfeiting Money by The Jolly Roger

Before reading this article, it would be a very good idea to get a book on
photo offset printing, for this is the method used in
counterfeiting US currency. If you are familiar with this method
of printing, counterfeiting should be a simple task for you.

Genuine currency is made by a process called "gravure", which
involves etching a metal block. Since etching a metal block is
impossible to do by hand, photo offset printing comes into the
process.

Photo offset printing starts by making negatives of the currency
with a camera, and putting the negatives on a piece of masking
material (usually orange in color). The stripped negatives,
commonly called "flats", are then exposed to a lithographic plate
with an arc light plate maker. The burned plates are then
developed with the proper developing chemical. One at a time,
these plates are wrapped around the plate cylinder of the press.

The press to use should be an 11 by 14 offset, such as the AB Dick
360. Make 2 negatives of the portrait side of the bill, and 1 of
the back side. After developing them and letting them dry, take
them to a light table. Using opaque on one of the portrait sides,
touch out all the green, which is the seal and the serial numbers.
The back side does not require any retouching, because it is all
one color. Now, make sure all of the negatives are registered
(lined up correctly) on the flats. By the way, every time you
need another serial number, shoot 1 negative of the portrait side,
cut out the serial number, and remove the old serial number from
the flat replacing it with the new one.

Now you have all 3 flats, and each represents a different color:
black, and 2 shades of green (the two shades of green are created
by mixing inks). Now you are ready to burn the plates. Take a
lithographic plate and etch three marks on it. These marks must
be 2 and 9/16 inches apart, starting on one of the short edges.
Do the same thing to 2 more plates. Then, take 1 of the flats and
place it on the plate, exactly lining the short edge up with the
edge of the plate. Burn it, move it up to the next mark, and
cover up the exposed area you have already burned. Burn that, and
do the same thing 2 more times, moving the flat up one more mark.
Do the same process with the other 2 flats (each on a separate
plate). Develop all three plates. You should now have 4 images
on each plate with an equal space between each bill.

The paper you will need will not match exactly, but it will do for
most situations. The paper to use should have a 25% rag content.
By the way, Disaperf computer paper (invisible perforation) does
the job well. Take the paper and load it into the press. Be sure
to set the air, buckle, and paper thickness right. Start with the
black plate (the plate without the serial numbers). Wrap it
around the cylinder and load black ink in. Make sure you run more
than you need because there will be a lot of rejects. Then, while
that is printing, mix the inks for the serial numbers and the back
side. You will need to add some white and maybe yellow to the
serial number ink. You also need to add black to the back side.
Experiment until you get it right. Now, clean the press and print



the other side. You will now have a bill with no green seal or
serial numbers. Print a few with one serial number, make another
and repeat. Keep doing this until you have as many different
numbers as you want. Then cut the bills to the exact size with a
paper cutter. You should have printed a large amount of money by
now, but there is still one problem; the paper is pure white. To
dye it, mix the following in a pan: 2 cups of hot water, 4 tea
bags, and about 16 to 20 drops of green food coloring (experiment
with this). Dip one of the bills in and compare it to a genuine
US bill. Make the necessary adjustments, and dye all the bills.
Also, it is a good idea to make them look used. For example,
wrinkle them, rub coffee grinds on them, etc.

As before mentioned, unless you are familiar with photo offset
printing, most of the information in this article will be fairly
hard to understand. Along with getting a book on photo offset
printing, try to see the movie "To Live and Die in LA". It is
about a counterfeiter, and the producer does a pretty good job of
showing how to counterfeit. A good book on the subject is "The
Poor Man's James Bond".

If all of this seems too complicated to you, there is one other
method available for counterfeiting: The Canon color laser
copier. The Canon can replicate ANYTHING in vibrant color,
including US currency. But, once again, the main problem in
counterfeiting is the paper used. So, experiment, and good luck!
-Jolly Roger-

[Santy Claws]

Originally Posted by dynworan

I read somewhere that using a printer was a dumb idea. This other method made negatives of real notes, transfered to some sort of rubber, than onto a metal plate. then they would be using the actual method they use to print genuine currency.

We've all seen this before I forgot where, at least I have (from another forum, and its outdated and half assed as far as information goes). Plus this method is 'unrealistic' for most beginner art classes. Although the mention of that 'Canon color laser
copier' is worth noting. Shame he didn't mentioned a specific model, so I'm guessing it doesn't matter which one? Although laser printers leave a trail, so I'm guessing that's why he's specifies to copy only. Can anyone confirm copies don't leave trails as well? Was he talking about these? I've also herd that the 'trail' is only use to match the printer to your artwork assuming its not destroyed. They don't actually trace it back to your residence lol.

http://shop.usa.canon.com/webapp/wcs...0051_214139_-1

[zippo]

The jolley roger guy is just suggesting to use an offset printer, which is not how the genuine us notes are printed, genuine us notes are printed with an intaglio printing press which is basically the same as gravure they both use recessed plates, which produces the raised ink.. Offset printers can be used to make pretty good copies if you know what you're doing but they do not produce the raised ink like intaglio. The us currently uses a double stamp offset press for the colored portions on the new gen bills, it can stamp the front and back at the same time. A lot of other countries also combine intaglio with offset.

[zippo]

Originally Posted by Santy Claws

We've all seen this before I forgot where, at least I have (from another forum, and its outdated and half assed as far as information goes). Plus this method is 'unrealistic' for most beginner art classes. Although the mention of that 'Canon color laser
copier' is worth noting. Shame he didn't mentioned a specific model, so I'm guessing it doesn't matter which one? Although laser printers leave a trail, so I'm guessing that's why he's specifies to copy only. Can anyone confirm copies don't leave trails as well? Was he talking about these? I've also herd that the 'trail' is only use to match the printer to your artwork assuming its not destroyed. They don't actually trace it back to your residence lol.

http://shop.usa.canon.com/webapp/wcs...0051_214139_-1

A lot of the new laser printers print yellow dots.. which can be used to tie your prints to the printer. If the printer isn't in your name it shouldn't be that big of deal. If you want a laser printer that doesn't print the tracking dots here is a list of printers that don't have it.

https://www.eff.org/pages/list-printers-which-do-or-do-not-display-tracking-dots

[SBTlauien]

Only an idiot would use something in his/her name for an illegal purpose.

[zippo]

Originally Posted by SBTlauien

Only an idiot would use something in his/her name for an illegal purpose.

Yeah the problem is there are lots of idiots out there.

[No Kool Names]

Hey, my friend has two old printers, an hp photosmart 7010 or something and also a HP C4240 Inkjet Printer. He was wondering if these printer would be sufficient, he also has $200 to invest into supplies, he has already downloaded the necessary drivers.

[jetlife]

does anybody have a new link to the italian video ??

aparently the link went down and taken off over night
get back thanks

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.
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[11cent]

Originally Posted by No Kool Names

Hey, my friend has two old printers, an hp photosmart 7010 or something and also a HP C4240 Inkjet Printer. He was wondering if these printer would be sufficient, he also has $200 to invest into supplies, he has already downloaded the necessary drivers.

Try it. That what we had to do.

[jetlife]

this forum dosent talk /concentrate to much on canadian currency ...
does anyone know the steps and things needed ?

also curious how people apply the hologram stip

[SBTlauien]

An Epson printer could print the micro printing, but not as clear as a press, obviously.

Does anyone know how micro printing would compare between an Epson printer and a Canon printer?

[SBTlauien]

Originally Posted by jetlife

also curious how people apply the hologram stip

The watermark can be mimicked by connecting two sheets of thin paper together, with the hologram printed on the inside.

[legendaryninjacutter]

wat if you just print one dallor bills on 75% cotten linen paper....easy

[legendaryninjacutter]

pay for everthing in one dallor bills they cant even be checked

[General Butt.Naked]

I wish I knew how to do this stuff well. I mean...the government does the same efucking thing making the money we DO have worth nothing, and no one bats and eyelash.

I had a friend who made his own paper and printed on that, and then went into dark, busy night clubs and paid for drinks in fake 100's- got the change in real money. He made quite a bit doing that.

[Alexmon]

Best way for paper is to make it yourself ... in my opinion

[skygear]

Maybe its been thought of already... Where are the engravers at?

[SBTlauien]

Hit up a strip club with fake ones, lol.

[Leshrac]

come falsificare soldi !!! - YouTube

come falsificare soldi !!! - YouTube
Video: click to display

Got put back.

[jetlife]

whats the best photoshop program that will allow you to scan/edit & print today .....thinking of photoshop elements 10 ??

pm me if you have any sugesstions or post

[freedom]

Originally Posted by Alexmon

Best way for paper is to make it yourself ... in my opinion

This man used to counterfeit the austral (Argentina currency) and dollars.

He never had a printing press, did it all with screenprint.

For the austral he bleached 1austral notes and screenprinted 100austral on the real currency paper.

Maybe he was the first to come up with this back in the 80s.

For dollars he made is own paper, when he says he´s going to show the machine where he did it the video is cut and starts againg when he´s showing the silkscreen.

He was convicted for the dollars but not for the austral, the central bank of Argentina considered genuine the notes he had bleached. lol

El Picasso de los Dolares - YouTube

El Picasso de los Dolares - YouTube
Video: click to display

[SBTlauien]

US currency can be imitated by connecting two sheets of newsprint and printing the watermark and security strip on the inside. The newsprint has to be bleached and the little red and blue fiber can be drawn on with fine tipped art pens.

[SBTlauien]

Originally Posted by jetlife

whats the best photoshop program that will allow you to scan/edit & print today .....thinking of photoshop elements 10 ??

pm me if you have any sugesstions or post

PhotoShop would work.

[TCdboy]

Originally Posted by SBTlauien

US currency can be imitated by connecting two sheets of newsprint and printing the watermark and security strip on the inside. The newsprint has to be bleached and the little red and blue fiber can be drawn on with fine tipped art pens.

Sorry my friends say newsprint sucks its to thick unless u find. The light weight Kind! !!

[SBTlauien]

Gluing together two pages out of my phone book with adhesive spray, and rolling flat while putting weight into it, creates paper that feels about right. But when it's crumbled, it feels to soft.

[SBTlauien]

A person would have to search for some crisp newsprint that's very thin...

[TCdboy]

But where? Mmmm

[JimmyRecard]

A US bank note is .0043 inches or 104 grams per square meter(GSM) or 4.3 mil

If you want to use your method of sticking two pieces of newsprint together do a search for 52gsm newsprint. You will get heaps of results. This is the exact thickness used by the Federal reserve. Then to go the extra step newsprint if often available in a 48.8 gsm which would allow you to put two sheets of 48.8 together and assuming you use some sort of adhesive in between them it should match somewhere around the 104 exact size as the proper note.

GOOGLE is your friend

I suggest searching alibaba for the newsprint although you may have to order in bulk

[Dumpster Slut]

[JimmyRecard]

lol do 5 minutes of research and you can find out everything i did just then. I don't really know much about US bank notes, I'm more interested in Australian notes that are actual hard to counterfeit unlike the US notes