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Whenever I realize I'm dreaming and go lucid, I try to fly about and taunt others for not being real outside my thoughts. But then I find my dream takes on a Matrix-like quality. There are police that try to stop me from breaking the dream script. Anybody can be one of these agents, or can turn into one at any moment.



Anybody else have experience with this kind of 'dream reinforcement' ?
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i thought you were talking about norcos
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i thought you were talking about norcos
No sir, I am talking about your dream and its apparently deterministic nature.
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Default Re: dream scripts

Here's a crazy thought--imagine that your waking life is this way. You follow a script without realizing it, and one day you just snap out of it, becoming lucid. Then you encounter the enforcers of reality: the man is ready to crush any resistance of independent thought which dares to dream of a life apart from what has been decided for him. Sounds almost poetic, in a sense. That's the stuff of good sci-fi right there.
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why that would have to be pharmaceutical grade diamorphine, of course. thats like the holy grail.
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why that would have to be pharmaceutical grade diamorphine, of course. thats like the holy grail.
nonono, that's not this thread. I'm talking about dreams, as in REM sleep and lucidity and stuff.

When I become lucid in-dream, agents pursue me and try to make me dream normally again.

You know how your dream follows a script, and you along with it?
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Whenever I realize I'm dreaming and go lucid, I try to fly about and taunt others for not being real outside my thoughts. But then I find my dream takes on a Matrix-like quality. There are police that try to stop me from breaking the dream script. Anybody can be one of these agents, or can turn into one at any moment.



Anybody else have experience with this kind of 'dream reinforcement' ?
Don't taunt them. Lol. Make peace with them. They want to teach you things.

Of course try to be flying up above the levels that are more relevant to things on Earth. That was you stay nicely above the clouds with the monks.

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Here's a crazy thought--imagine that your waking life is this way. You follow a script without realizing it, and one day you just snap out of it, becoming lucid. Then you encounter the enforcers of reality: the man is ready to crush any resistance of independent thought which dares to dream of a life apart from what has been decided for him. Sounds almost poetic, in a sense. That's the stuff of good sci-fi right there.
You meet one yet?

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I think your dreams take shape of your thoughts and attitude/emotions/feelings, etc.

become lucid and taunt people aggressively? don't be surprised if agents try and come after you lol

talk to people and try to learn something from the conversation? crazy fucking shit happens.

speaking from my dream experience.
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They do it out of love. I believe that the script is written on a multi-dimensional parchment of sorts that interacts directly with your deepest intuition, and is therefore simultaneously being written as it is being imagined, all while it is being lived and dreamed.

So this means that the script-writer is an artist at heart, first and foremost. Which means if all else fails, study, love (and create) the immaculate masterpiece, and watch it rewrite itself before your eyes, into exactly what you need most at that time.

And then once you realize that this is what it has been all along, above, underneath and even within your measly human observations - God`s presence is remembered.
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^^and then what?
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^^and then what?
You head to the Internet to share your revelations and nirvana with everybody.
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Don't watch The Matrix man, watch Dark City.
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Testing the interaction parameters for dream dialogue and "AI?"

You'll find it is not truly like "AI" because it's not.
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Whenever I realize I'm dreaming and go lucid, I try to fly about and taunt others for not being real outside my thoughts. But then I find my dream takes on a Matrix-like quality. There are police that try to stop me from breaking the dream script. Anybody can be one of these agents, or can turn into one at any moment.



Anybody else have experience with this kind of 'dream reinforcement' ?
How would you feel if I told you you weren't real outside my thoughts?
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OP sounds like some Inception stuff. If you expect it to happen, then it will happen. Controlling subtle thoughts like that can be difficult.

I've had a security come in on me as I was having my way with this girl in the bathroom. She tried to detain me or something. The only way I was successful in stopping her was pushing my palms toward her and telling her to "die!" over and over. She fell to the ground dead.
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Default Re: dream scripts

I think I'm getting an idea of how to do this, it just comes down to the moment and the decision I make. Although it feels, at times, like starting from the ground up all over again.

So I should not run, or fly away, because this suggests fear and promotes retaliation. Doing anything which actively engages the dream content on the level presented merely emphasizes the illusion. This is a process of observe --> respond, and the idea is to observe passively, otherwise I'm acting in a role.

Essentially, I have to break this cycle of reaction, choosing instead to fulfill my real intent, yes?

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How would you feel if I told you you weren't real outside my thoughts?
I would disagree. Then we'd have to debate on which one of us is really real. I'm positive it's me, and you know it's you. So we get a third party in on this, who thinks it's all about them, and now we require yet another person to judge, etc.
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Whatever works for you. The best way I can explain my dream control is through "expectations."

For example, I was flying and I had a non-vocalized thought about me hitting a tree branch, and I hit a tree branch. You have to be confident and be assured that what you want to happen will happen. I haven't enough experience to say, but it seems like a good way to transfer the confidence and self-assuredness into real life situations.

For me, it's sort of like controlling my mind during a trip. Subtle, varying levels of conscious thoughts make or break the experience. Know that it is your world, and you are capable of 100% control.

But personally and off-topic, actually sub-vocalizing thoughts tends to wake me up. Saying it aloud in the dream has been safer.
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Dreams are just as "real" as our waking state.
They are both realities you create.
Taunting others is taunting yourself.
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Dreams are just as "real" as our waking state.
They are both realities you create.
Taunting others is taunting yourself.
I disagree. We process information from the waking world and create our own concept of the world around us. When dreaming, we create the stimulus.

A gap in our perception of the real world has no effect on the real world. But a gap in our perception in a dream does have an effect on the dream world.
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The mind creates (allows) the stimuli to be there(perceived) in the first place.

What do you mean by "gap in perception"? For instance if I'm sitting here typing, and not outside walking down the street, then the world outside my doors and windows doesn't exist? This is hard to either prove or disprove.
Keep in mind this is all totally subjective. If I'm on the phone with my friend outside walking down the street, that street still doesn't exist for me(in this moment).
It only exists in my mind. (as a memory perhaps)

What I'm trying to say is if you go around telling people they aren't real, they'd probably get pissed off too. Shit, say it long enough and to the right people and you'd probably get locked up.
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The mind creates (allows) the stimuli to be there(perceived) in the first place.

What do you mean by "gap in perception"? For instance if I'm sitting here typing, and not outside walking down the street, then the world outside my doors and windows doesn't exist? This is hard to either prove or disprove.
Keep in mind this is all totally subjective. If I'm on the phone with my friend outside walking down the street, that street still doesn't exist for me(in this moment).
It only exists in my mind. (as a memory perhaps)

What I'm trying to say is if you go around telling people they aren't real, they'd probably get pissed off too. Shit, say it long enough and to the right people and you'd probably get locked up.
"The mind creates (allows) the stimuli to be there(perceived) in the first place." If you mean when awake, then I agree. When awake, the mind doesn't create the stimulus (the world).

By "gap in perception," I meant that if we don't perceive something in the real world, then it has no effect on its existence. Our perception is imperfect, and we miss out on things around us. Even when we are our keenest and think that everything that could be perceived by us in the world around us is being perceived, we're wrong.

But if we have this gap in perception in a dream, then it does affect whether or not something exists. After years of smoking pot chronically and sleep deprivation, I didn't focus much on my dreams. When I tried lucid dreaming, I realized how incomplete my dream world was.

I had a dream that was just me and a girl talking, outside of what was supposed to be my high school. But it wasn't quite. There was a floor, and a wall. That much was accurate, but everything else basically didn't exist. It was like we were on some alternate plane, where all there is is wall and floor.

Or, when reaching lucidity and looking about, I'd realize that only the thing I was looking at had any substance. If I wasn't looking right at it, it was basically just fleeting light, if that makes sense.

But one time when I reached lucidity, and after a bout of sobriety, I stopped, dropped to my knees and tried to perceive my peripheral vision. Suddenly everything became more clear and had substance. It was no longer fleeting light, but an actual room. Since then, my dreams have been much more complete.

Observations like these can be difficult if you've never experienced such a lack in... I'll call it mental functioning. Individuals who haven't experienced or recognized this lack of mental functioning are lead to trust their perception of the world to be totally accurate.

That was the idea with that term. I'm not sure it's true, though.
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The mind creates nothing. No power to do so alone.
What about the creation of human languages?
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What about the creation of human languages?
A development from more primitive vocalizations.
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