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Old 03-28-2012, 01:29 PM
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Default Compressed salt balls?

So I remember that in the last rock salt ammo thread I made it turned out its really weak shit. But what about if you compressed salt into balls? Like buck shot but hard salt balls instead.

Is there anyone who could test this? All you would need really is the knowledge of how to compress salt into balls (and the tools), which I do not have.
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If you put salty water into a tube and either evaporate or allow it to cool slowly enough, you'll be left with a pretty solid crystal of salt. When shot I imagine it'll break up a little, but probably not overly much.
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Nah, I'm talking industrial grade compressing if possible. Maybe there is a way to do it at home, I don't know anything about compressing salt.
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It would be easier to buy water softener salt that comes in large crystal and break them down to the size you need. I thought the purpose of rock salt shells was to be weak?
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"compressed". I say again. "compressed". E: looking at some images on google those 'water softener salt' pellets look like they could be compressed, not crystallized. In that case your suggestion is feasible.

And rock salt that doesn't even go through the skin is far too weak IMO. I want something that will penetrate like half an inch or so and cause a great amount of pain.

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And rock salt that doesn't even go through the skin is far too weak IMO. I want something that will penetrate like half an inch or so and cause a great amount of pain.
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"compressed". I say again. "compressed". E: looking at some images on google those 'water softener salt' pellets look like they could be compressed, not crystallized. In that case your suggestion is feasible.

And rock salt that doesn't even go through the skin is far too weak IMO. I want something that will penetrate like half an inch or so and cause a great amount of pain.
Airsoft pellets. broken glass. coins.
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Airsoft pellets. broken glass. coins.
Coins will penetrate?
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Coins will penetrate?
I'd imagine dimes would, maybe even shave of the edges a little with a lathe.
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Coins will penetrate?
Shoot someone in the face with a 12 gauge round filled with dimes and tell me if you still consider them a "dangerous assailant".

You could always cut dimes and pennies up into triangles using kitchen shears.
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You could always cut dimes and pennies up into triangles using kitchen shears.
Pretty sure that would be deadly. I mean the salt balls might be deadly too, but not as much as point triangles of metal.
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What's wrong with just buying some rubber buckshot?
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buy a water gun and put a strong acid in it dude
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What's wrong with just buying some rubber buckshot?
No after burn.
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Why not bean bags or rubber slugs?

http://www.keepshooting.com/12-gauge...bag-round.html

http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/34355-1.html

I had a buddy that took a bean bag to the face (the cop missed his intended target), it messed him up pretty good
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Totally read the thread title as "Compressed bath salts," I am retarded.
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Look for an arbour press.



The one I have can press up to one ton but is a heavy mother fucker. In theory you should be able to press a salt "puck" by encasing some moistened salt in a tube with a few disks on top and underneath to press the material into shape.

That or mix it with a binding agent and do the same and it should still turn out a salt slug that will do some damage.

Something I'm thinking of trying is wax slugs but pouring some capsicum extract into the wax before I spoon it into the shells. Burns on the inside baby.

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Go pound salt, mother fucker.

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OP, I don't think you understand crystal mechanics. A solid crystal of salt will be stronger and more dense than anything made with a press. With the forces on a projectile being blown out of a shotgun, any "compressed" salt chunk will just blow itself completely apart. Compressed particles stick together better the more plastic deformation they can accommodate, and salt is not plastic at all. If you added a binder phase it could work, but that would really be a composite pellet. Though, depending on the binder they could get really strong.
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Go pound salt, mother fucker.

^^Mom's fiance' telling me to fuck off pretty much^^
You should stick your dick in the salt that's used when cooking and the next time he eats some eggs give him the old "I took your advice" and leave a picture of your salt covered dick on the table.

You'll get beat up or at least a punch to the head but deep down he'll always know he ate your dick.

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A solid crystal of salt will be stronger and more dense than anything made with a press. With the forces on a projectile being blown out of a shotgun, any "compressed" salt chunk will just blow itself completely apart. Compressed particles stick together better the more plastic deformation they can accommodate, and salt is not plastic at all. If you added a binder phase it could work, but that would really be a composite pellet. Though, depending on the binder they could get really strong.
Yeah, seriously. Even highly compressed salt would lose all integrity as soon as it struck a target, solids are simply a better (AKA the ONLY) option. (Solid) tungsten is used in armor piercing ammunition, but compressed tungsten powder (along with~5% polymer) has been used in lead free ammunition before and it does not increase the penetration of the round compared to standard ammunition. Why opt for compressed powders when you can use solids for this application?

I have a solid lb cube of Himalayan salt (the kind you shave with a cheese grater) that could be "milled" down to a solid, translucent slug. It would have superior performance to any kind of compressed-powder salt slug.

Although 1983 mentioning wax slugs makes me wonder how wax slugs made with rock salt instead of birdshot would perform. Hell, he could even throw his capsicum extract in there too and probably have some serious "less-lethal" ammunition.

Edit: But really, I'd just buy some rubber buckshot. I think getting hit with one would be convincing enough to stop/gtfo in a situation you chose to use rubber over lead, whatever your reasons may be. The bad guy will be stinging from the hit anywho.

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Jesus that's terrifying. All you'd have to do is break the skin...
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You should stick your dick in the salt that's used when cooking and the next time he eats some eggs give him the old "I took your advice" and leave a picture of your salt covered dick on the table.

You'll get beat up or at least a punch to the head but deep down he'll always know he ate your dick.

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remember you dont have to limit yourself to just one material. if you want penetration with the stinging effect, you might want to use something like glass, mixed with salt, then bind the whole thing in an adhesive (perhaps epoxy?). you can modify how much adhesive you use to adjust how well the thing holds together or breaks apart (for penetration to damage ratio)

I wouldnt use salt on its own. In order to get it as strong as possible, its either got to be a large crystal, or preferebly, pressed, then sintered. There are a few papers about that where people sinter pure NaCl at about 800C. You could also try melting and casting it
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Shooting salt shot into someones skin would hurt sooooo fucking bad dude. It would be fucked up to do that to someone
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Shooting salt shot into someones skin would hurt sooooo fucking bad dude. It would be fucked up to do that to someone
So? Thugs accept the risk when they break into peoples' homes or randomly attack others on the street (ie Zimmerman)
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Thanks now I always read this thread on my active topics as 'compressed bath salts.'

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I probably will end up shooting someone with the loads ima talking about ITT.

Some shit heads keep trying to break into my cottage. I don't want to use real ammo on them. But plain old rock salt is too forgiving. I like the adding glass suggestion.

...Hypothetically.
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Shooting salt shot into someones skin would hurt sooooo fucking bad dude. It would be fucked up to do that to someone
At least they won't be fucking dead.
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So? Thugs accept the risk when they break into peoples' homes or randomly attack others on the street (ie Zimmerman)
That's true. Garaunteed that's the last time they fuck with you or your property hahah
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I probably will end up shooting someone with the loads ima talking about ITT.

Some shit heads keep trying to break into my cottage. I don't want to use real ammo on them. But plain old rock salt is too forgiving. I like the adding glass suggestion.

...Hypothetically.
If you're a property owner and you shoot someone breaking in and they survive, you could be sued for intentionally causing undue pain and suffering.
It sucks getting sued.
Just sayin' - Survivors can litigate.
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If you're a property owner and you shoot someone breaking in and they survive, you could be sued for intentionally causing undue pain and suffering.
It sucks getting sued.
Just sayin' - Survivors can litigate.
Maybe if you're stupid enough to be completely honest when the police ask "what happened here".

"What happened here was that I heard a noise and suspected someone was breaking in. I got my shotgun and went to investigate. When he saw me, he quickly reached into his pants and I thought he was trying to draw a gun. I shot him using a specially made incapacitating non fatal round, and then called the police."

In reality, I wouldn't wait for him to potentially reach for a weapon, especially when using non fatal rounds. That would be a legal fib in my opinion. Legally it might make a big difference but fuck that, practically it doesn't. If I pointed my gun on him and said don't move, and he didn't move, I wouldn't shoot him. I would call the police. He he did anything else, turn to run, come at me, reach for anything, bam bam. I'm expecting them to run fyi.
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So you're not a property owner. Cool.
The glass would get you sued.
Even in Texas.
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So you're not a property owner. Cool.
The glass would get you sued.
Even in Texas.
..Yes I am. How did you conclude that from my post?

Fine. Bird shot it is then. So much for the legal system making sense.
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..Yes I am. How did you conclude that from my post?

Fine. Bird shot it is then. So much for the legal system making sense.
Just trying to save you some money dude.
The legal system is set up in such a way that lawyers can most benefit from it - ie: by making it easy for criminals, grifters, bums, and degenerates to sue landowners.
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