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How is it? Is it worth the money? They look pretty awesome from my research so far.
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Anyone here own a Five-seven pistol? A friend let me borrow his often enoughHow is it?Cool Is it worth the money?hell no They look pretty awesome from my research so far.
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Pretty sure a member on this board has one and will chime in soon.

OP what is your intended usage for such a pistol than makes you think it's "pretty awesome"?
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How is it? Is it worth the money? They look pretty awesome from my research so far.
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Finally shot an F'n fiveseven (c wut i did thar) and couldn't group for shit with it. Great looking and very light (plus, who doesn't love a 20 rnd flush mag) but the trigger felt awkward, and can't really describe how. Though it was a rental, so for all I know it had fallen into disrepair. Also, the recoil felt on par with a 9mm, which surprised me for a round that small. Maybe because the gun was so light, I don't know.
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Pretty sure a member on this board has one and will chime in soon.

OP what is your intended usage for such a pistol than makes you think it's "pretty awesome"?
Self defense and recreation. I doubt I'll ever be getting one though. I don't have the money. And I think its pretty awesome because of its unique ammunition, light weight, conceal-ability, unique safety (which at first I didn't like the concept of but the more I think about it that is a better place for the safety) and high capacity magazine. Mainly the ammunition though. I was looking up various types of ammo on wiki when I saw the 5.7×28mm bullets I was like wowza what the hell uses those.



Also its used by the american secret service, which adds a certain sense of novelty to it imo. If I win the lottery I'll be buying one, but short of that probably not.
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Self defense and recreation.

Also its used by the american secret service, which adds a certain sense of novelty to it imo. If I win the lottery I'll be buying one, but short of that probably not.
It is not a defensive pistol. Even with the best loadings it is anemic at best.

I think the safety is very unergonomic as well, but that is user preference.

And the USSS uses the P90s, in which the high rate of fire and controllablility make up for the 5.7x28's shortcomings.

Their pistols are SIG P229s in .357 SIG.

The 5.7x28 is very flat shooting though and it apparently very accurate.

So for a varmint blaster or cool range toy it would fit the bill nicely.
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It is not a defensive pistol. Even with the best loadings it is anemic at best.

I think the safety is very unergonomic as well, but that is user preference.
How isn't it a defensive pistol?

And why don't you like the safety?

Also wiki says its used by the USSS, although I guess that isn't the most reliable source.
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How isn't it a defensive pistol?

And why don't you like the safety?

Also wiki says its used by the USSS, although I guess that isn't the most reliable source.
I guess I am a product of the 1911 and think that if a gun has a safety at all, it should be actuated with your shooting hand thumb.

I know a guy who loves the Five-seveN safety, but for me flipping off a safety with your trigger finger is just an ergonomic nightmare.

And, I don't feel it is suitable for defense because there are almost no loadings in 5.7x28 that meet FBI minimum performance specs (ie a consistent minimum of 12" penetration in bare ballistics gel).
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And, I don't feel it is suitable for defense because there are almost no loadings in 5.7x28 that meet FBI minimum performance specs (ie a consistent minimum of 12" penetration in bare ballistics gel).
Maybe it doesn't meet the FBI requirements on paper but its been used in some controversial shooting, and the results of which were pretty brutal.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort_Hood_shooting

That ain't no .22, it clearly has stopping power.
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I think it's a great gun, light & big magazine. I don't have háve one yet the only down side I see is the initial and ammo costs.
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Maybe it doesn't meet the FBI requirements on paper but its been used in some controversial shooting, and the results of which were pretty brutal.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort_Hood_shooting

That ain't no .22, it clearly has stopping power.
Nothing has stopping power.

I also wouldn't really count shooting people who were unarmed and not taking aggressive action as proof that it is suitable for defensive use, "Shooting Fish in a Barrel" if you will.

And when game time was on and he was faced by someone with a typical service caliber handgun, he lost.
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I think it's a great gun, light & big magazine. I don't have háve one yet the only down side I see is the initial and ammo costs.
Bro, Cabelas has an H&K Mark 23 (SOCOM) used for $1099.

Get that fucking thing over the FN.
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Nothing has stopping power.

I also wouldn't really count shooting people who were unarmed and not taking aggressive action as proof that it is suitable for defensive use, "Shooting Fish in a Barrel" if you will.

And when game time was on and he was faced by someone with a typical service caliber handgun, he lost.
He was psychiatrist, not a veteran, its amazing he even engaged as well as he did imo. And also that's not what happened. Numerous people tried to rush him (albeit with chairs not firearms) and were instantly stopped/dropped and later died. I've seen a video of some boxer eating a 9mm round point blank in the stomach from some chick cop and it barely phased him. Not that is very relevant, just saying. Your FBI guide isn't exactly always accurate in real life situations.

"Base civilian police Sergeant Kimberly Munley, who had rushed to the scene in her patrol car, encountered Hasan in the area outside the Soldier Readiness Processing Center.[26] Hasan fired at Munley, who exchanged shots with him using her 9mm M9 pistol. Munley's hand was hit by shrapnel when one of Hasan's bullets struck a nearby rain gutter, and then two bullets struck Munley: the first bullet hit her thigh, and the second hit her knee.[14][24] As she began to fall from the first bullet, the second bullet struck her femur, severely shattering it and knocking her to the ground.[14][24] Hasan then walked up to Munley and kicked her pistol out of reach.[27]

As the shooting continued outside, nurses and medics entered the building, secured the doors with a belt and rushed to help the wounded.[28] According to the responding nurses, the blood loss inside the building was so heavy they were unable to maintain balance, and had difficulty reaching the wounded to help them.[29] In the area outside the building, Hasan continued to shoot at fleeing soldiers, and civilian police Sergeant Mark Todd arrived and shouted commands at Hasan to surrender.[24] Todd said: "Then he turned and fired a couple of rounds at me. I didn't hear him say a word, he just turned and fired."[30] The two exchanged shots, and Hasan was felled by five shots from Todd,[3][31] who then kicked his pistol out of his hand and placed him in handcuffs as he fell unconscious.[32]"

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He was psychiatrist, not a veteran, its amazing he even engaged as well as he did imo. And also that's not what happened.

"Base civilian police Sergeant Kimberly Munley, who had rushed to the scene in her patrol car, encountered Hasan in the area outside the Soldier Readiness Processing Center.[26] Hasan fired at Munley, who exchanged shots with him using her 9mm M9 pistol. Munley's hand was hit by shrapnel when one of Hasan's bullets struck a nearby rain gutter, and then two bullets struck Munley: the first bullet hit her thigh, and the second hit her knee.[14][24] As she began to fall from the first bullet, the second bullet struck her femur, severely shattering it and knocking her to the ground.[14][24] Hasan then walked up to Munley and kicked her pistol out of reach.[27]

As the shooting continued outside, nurses and medics entered the building, secured the doors with a belt and rushed to help the wounded.[28] According to the responding nurses, the blood loss inside the building was so heavy they were unable to maintain balance, and had difficulty reaching the wounded to help them.[29] In the area outside the building, Hasan continued to shoot at fleeing soldiers, and civilian police Sergeant Mark Todd arrived and shouted commands at Hasan to surrender.[24] Todd said: "Then he turned and fired a couple of rounds at me. I didn't hear him say a word, he just turned and fired."[30] The two exchanged shots, and Hasan was felled by five shots from Todd,[3][31] who then kicked his pistol out of his hand and placed him in handcuffs as he fell unconscious.[32]"
Hey if you feel it has adequate performance, that's cool.

I just have certain criteria that I believe a defensive handgun should meet and the Five-seveN's cartridge just doesn't inspire confidence.
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Hey if you feel it has adequate performance, that's cool.

I just have certain criteria that I believe a defensive handgun should meet and the Five-seveN's cartridge just doesn't inspire confidence.
Do you have a link to the FBI results you mentioned?

Just by looking at the cartridge, it appears as though 5.7×28mm would be a good deal stronger than 9mm. (9mm meets your criteria for self defense right?)
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Do you have a link to the FBI results you mentioned?

Just by looking at the cartridge, it appears as though 5.7×28mm would be a good deal stronger than 9mm. (9mm meets your criteria for self defense right?)
Generally 9mm does.

However bullet construction has a lot to do with it though.

I would not carry a 115gr 9mm Wichester Silvertip as it is too shallow of a penetrator. I would, however, carry the same bullet in the 147gr weight though as it meets minimum penetrations specs.

The above is just an example of course.

Here is a good write up of the 5.7's unsuitability compared to typical service calibers.

http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=19913
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^Interesting.

What specific 9mm ammo would you recommend for self defense purposes?
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^Interesting.

What specific 9mm ammo would you recommend for self defense purposes?
Corbon DPX.

Speer Gold Dot in 124gr, 124gr +P, and 147gr.

Winchester Ranger in 124gr and heavier.

Federal HST and Tac Bonded in any weight.
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I have put a couple hundred rounds through the 5-7. I can think of no situation where i would prefer it over other, cheaper, more well rounded pistols and pistol calibers. It's a gimick that only got attention when the anti gun lobbyists put it in their crosshairs. Otherwise 5.7 would have gone the way of .45 GAP.
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It is not a defensive pistol. Even with the best loadings it is anemic at best.

I think the safety is very unergonomic as well, but that is user preference.

And the USSS uses the P90s, in which the high rate of fire and controllablility make up for the 5.7x28's shortcomings.

Their pistols are SIG P229s in .357 SIG.

The 5.7x28 is very flat shooting though and it apparently very accurate.

So for a varmint blaster or cool range toy it would fit the bill nicely.
I think as an "offensive weapon", it does quite nicely, especially with armor piercing rounds. In my opinion, the 5.7 is more than just a souped up .22 magnum. The amount of penetration combined with ability to fire rapid and accurate make it a good defensive or offensive pistol, just ask the good folks at Fort Hood how well the Five-Seven works
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Completely overpriced, with expensive ammo. It doesnt excell in any areas particularly. One wouild be vastly better served with a more common expanding round. I sold mine within 6 months- and I think it was probably sooner than that. You can't get 5.7 reloads to shoot at the range either. Fucking useless, gimmicky piece of shit.
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You can't get 5.7 reloads to shoot at the range either.
What's that mean?
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those 5.7s are fucking pricey, i dont see why you wouldnt go 9 mil, except as a novelty.
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That means that if you want to go practice and become proficient with your weapon at the range, youd likely have to buy overpriced foctory box ammo. On the other hand, with my 9mm, .45, .38spl or even 10mm, I can buy reloads (the shooting range gathers up the shoit brass and reloads them and sells them at a considerable discount) and get in the practice that it takes to be effective with whatever platform you choose.

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You can reload 5.7mm it uses .224'' bullets and ramshot has published loads.
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Im saying its not WIDELY reloaded. Of course you CAN reload anything.

But at my range, I buy 1000rds of good reloads for $160. I cant do that with 5.7.

I think this discussion is pretty much over as it is- unless anyone wants to just jump in and be wildly contradictory. Its kinda understood in most circles of shooting enthusiasts/ MP/ LEO that it's little more than a novelty.
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Oh, you are BUYING someone else's reloads.

You're an idiot then.
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Just curious...how much do YOUR 9mm reloads come to cost?
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Just curious...how much do YOUR 9mm reloads come to cost?
Mine come in at maybe 20 cents a shot for 9mm I reload for social purposes.

5.7x28 has very limited case life and relies on a laquer coating on the case (that wears off after a reload or two), for reliable feeding.

5.7x28 seems like a real pain in the ass to reload. I'd rather mess with .22 TCM instead.
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Mine come in at maybe 20 cents a shot for 9mm I reload for social purposes.

5.7x28 has very limited case life and relies on a laquer coating on the case (that wears off after a reload or two), for reliable feeding.

5.7x28 seems like a real pain in the ass to reload. I'd rather mess with .22 TCM instead.
Exactly. 16 cents a round (11-13 when I bring brass or a coupon) is pretty fucking cheap for a round. I think "idiot" is reaching a bit.
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Some of us just don't like shrapnel in our faces and it being not under our control, that is all.

Factory ammo makes me nervous and KBs enough as-is.
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The fact this never occurred to you proves you are a real idiot.

Unless you think saving 15 cents a round off factory is worth losing eyes/ears/hands over.

Then you are a double idiot.
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Youre a child. Yeah youre right...Im probably mistaken in trusting people who have a couple hundred years of military experience between them and decades in the business as well as a reputation in the area for doing some of the best reloading in Los Angeles...instead of an OBVIOUS professional like you.

What the fuck retarded shit are you doing/buying that you have pieces of SHRAPNEL flying at your face? Esp with a 9mm load? These arent +P. These are regular pressue loads being fied out of safe, maintained quality weapons. Its no one elses fault but your own if you do it some other way.
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People with military experience never have accidents, right?

And I want you to take your safety into your OWN hands, not mine.
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One thing to note though.

I would be wary of other people's reloads for the simple fact I know a few accomplished competition shooters who told me about some squib loads that snuck by when they were loading on progressive machienes.

I do everything single stage to maintain a high level of QC.

Not saying all non-commercial remanufactured ammo is unsafe, just that there are risks. However most guns can handle a kaboom pretty well. Sure the gun would be toast, but you can always by a new gun.
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How does a kaboom happen? What physically causes the malfunction? Does the projectile get stuck in the barrel or something?
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Ughhhhh...

This isn't just "a dude" I buy it from. Its the range. They have a professional, industrial quality setup behind the store, and they crank out thousands of rounds a day that they sell to other ranges and stores in the area. They'll manufacture ammo to your own specs too, if you like. Ive had less FTFs and general incidents than Ive had with the factory I normally shoot- which is UMC or Fiocchi. People actually drive in from NorCal to buy when they have their parking lot sales because their quality and prices are so known.

http://laxrange.com/index.php/gun-show-schedule/

Anyway- nuff said. Never liked the Five-Seven.
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I was THIS close to buying a Five-Seven when I had a couple thousand to spare recently...While it would have been a hell of a lot of fun for sure, I caved and bought an AR15 instead. My reasons were purely practical: Cheaper, widely-available ammo, magazines, spare parts, proven track record, tons of accessoties, options for different calibers, etc. The FN FS would have been FUN and awesome, yes, but with expensive ammo you wouldn't easily find in a SHTF scenario, expensive-as-hell factory mags and parts, limited accessories, etc. This time, my practical side won out. However, given another chance, I'll buy the FN FS next time I have a chance, now that I have the AR.
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Glock 23 kaboom - YouTube


Why would a faulty reload cause the gun to do that?
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too much powder, powder that is too hot, or seating the bullet too deeply can all be causes of this if I am not mistaken. I better let the experts take it from here though :-)
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