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http://www.oregonmufon.com/PDFs/UFODisinformation.pdf

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Disinformation: What Is It?
• Disinformation: False information spread deliberately to
mislead; usually a mixture of true and false information to be
more readily believed.
• Misinformation: False information not usually intended to
mislead.
• UFO information is a complex mixture of true and accurate
information, misinformation, and disinformation.
• Disinformation originates with the U.S. government and its
agents.
• Misinformation originates from uninformed UFO
enthusiasts; con artists; (unintentionally) mainstream
reporters, editors, and other establishment people.
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Disinformation: How’s It Work?
• False Media Stories: National Enquirer stories; false stories of
disc recovery; fake Internet UFO stories (like India Daily).
• False Leafets, Pamphlets, Pubs, etc.: Today, this is on the
Internet. See Project Serpo later.
• Influence on Top Media Editors: Time, NY Times, CNN, etc.,
sometimes get calls from Pentagon on UFO matters. A few
editors, reporters, and others are ex-intel people.
• Book Suppression & Support of Friendly Authors: Jim Marrs’
remote viewing exposé suppressed; debunker Donald
Menzel probably paid; fake contactee book by Patrick Moore.
• U.S. intelligence establishment is the biggest and
best forger of documents on the planet.
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Paul Bennewitz Affair 1
• When and where: 1980 to 1987 in Albuquerque, NM.
• Summary: UFO researcher and engineer/businessman Paul Bennewitz
was the subject of an elaborate disinformation campaign to discredit him
in the eyes of the Russians. He was eventually hospitalized and never
recovered from this reprehensible AFOSI campaign.
• Comments: In 1980, Bennewitz, an APRO researcher, believe he was
detecting electronic signals from aliens near the Manzano Nuclear
Weapons Storage Facility outside of Kirtland AFB. He told base head of
security Ernest Edwards. Edwards said to contact AFOSI agent Richard
Doty.
• Bennewitz had photos of the alleged UFOs and tapes recording
electromagnetic signals from the UFOs, which he showed to Doty and
Chief Scientific Advisor for the KAFB Test and Evaluation Center Jerry
Miller.
Saturday, February 4, 2012
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Paul Bennewitz Affair 2
• Bennewitz also investigated cattle
mutilations occurring in NM at
this time. From hypnosis of a
UFO subject, lurid details of
animal and human body parts
onboard UFOs came to haunt
Bennewitz.
Paul Bennewitz
• Bennewitz behaved in a paranoid
way toward researchers including
Leo Sprinkle, who did the
hypnosis sessions.

Meanwhile, Roswell UFO
researcher Bill Moore met with
Doty and found out AFOSI and
other agencies had a deep
interest in Bennewitz.
Saturday, February 4, 2012
Source: Project Beta
William Moore
Source: Fortean Picture Library
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Paul Bennewitz Affair 3
• Moore agreed to spy on
Bennewitz as the AFOSI agents
fed him elaborate bogus UFO/
alien stories. Moore later said he
didn’t feed Bennewitz
disinformation, however.
• The stories: A UFO crash at
Corona, NM, occurred. Then
two years later a little gray alien
showed up (EBE) and was taken
into AF custody where it
developed a relationship with AF
monitors and eventually
communication was established.
Saturday, February 4, 2012
Source: Project Beta
Richard Doty
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Paul Bennewitz Affair 4
• In response to Roswell, MJ-12 was set up including the umbrella Project
Aquarius to coordinate all secret ET-related projects. Project Sigma was
an on-going alien communication project run out of NSA. A landing at
Holloman AFB occurred in 1965. Nine ET races were visiting Earth.
Zeta Reticulans had been here for 25,000 years. They’d shaped religious
ideas down through history. At CIA headquarters in Langley,VA, “The
Bible” was a compilation of all ET project reports. Etc.
• Bennewitz’s AFOSI sources also told him aliens are killing cattle and
humans and mutilating them. They might be eating human flesh. Human
and ET scientists are working on ghastly experiments. Aliens are
implanting humans with devices to control them. They are mind-
controlling humans. Etc. Etc.
• Bennewitz became more and more paranoid over time and eventually
was taken to a local hospital to get stabilized. He recovered, but
pursued UFO research at a much reduced level.
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Project Serpo: Bogus Sci Fi 1
• When and where: 2004 to 2006 on the Internet via emails and a
website.
• Summary: In 1965, the U.S. military entered into an agreement to
send 12 people to planet Serpo orbiting around Zeta 1 or 2 Reticuli. In
exchange, the Reticulans sent one alien here. It was a “cultural
exchange.” Thirteen years later the military people returned. Etc.
• Comments: This disinformation scheme may have been a “cover
story”(!) for a real UAV program in the black world.
• At first, a Victor Martinez fed Project Serpo disinformation to UFO
researchers and enthusiasts to see who would bite. He gradually
widened his efforts, building interest via email.
• But he was dropped as a contact because he edited the bogus info trying
to make things clearer. This, apparently, was against the disinformation
scheme’s protocol.
Saturday, February 4, 2012
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Project Serpo: Bogus Sci Fi 2
• Then Bill Ryan picked up the ball
and became the webmaster of the
Project Serpo website
(serpo.org). He passed along the
(dis)information verbatim.
• UFO researcher Greg Bishop
believes Project Serpo was a
disinformation scheme to
determine how information flows
between leakers of real, secret
government info and people “on
the outside” to protect a black
project.
Source: projectcamelot.org
Bill Ryan
• Bill Ryan was probably innocently
taken in by the Project Serpo
disinformation scheme.
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Conclusion
• U.S. intelligence agencies have always been
interested in UFOs for national security reasons.
• U.S. intelligence establishment is enormous. They have time, money, and expertise. They can do just
about anything.
• UFO disinformation is a fact of life, unfortunately.
But, some bad UFO information is just plain (mean
spirited) hoaxing or misinformed UFO enthusiasts
doing their thing—sloppy thinking.
• Be careful about what you believe.
• If it sounds too good to be true, it just might be.
• But, remember, UFOs are truly weird so keep an
open mind.
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Old 04-06-2012, 10:57 PM
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I think I seen a few. So slow and beautiful. Or maybe they're angels.
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Old 04-06-2012, 11:26 PM
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I think I seen a few. So slow and beautiful. Or maybe they're angels.
I am convinced they are just U.S.A. military aircraft being sent on test flights.
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I am convinced they are just U.S.A. military aircraft being sent on test flights.
What convinced you of this?
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This must be so very confusing.

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This must be so very confusing.

The most natural sight in the sky is the stars.
I'm so confused bro.
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A star that does a practice/spar 540 tornado spin kick over yo head.
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I see at least 3 ufo's a month.
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I see at least 3 ufo's a month.
I see 1 or 2 a month. I think it's just a matter of keeping your eyes on the sky. I live in the suburbs, but I see them over in the direction of the airport every so often. Things that aren't planes. Or swamp gas. Or venus. Or stars.
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I see 1 or 2 a month. I think it's just a matter of keeping your eyes on the sky. I live in the suburbs, but I see them over in the direction of the airport every so often. Things that aren't planes. Or swamp gas. Or venus. Or stars.
Or high flying helicopters and planes
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Or high flying helicopters and planes
Helicopters don't move that fast.
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lol @ mad niggas

some of you act like it's your job to convince people, and if you don't you've failed at life's purposes
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lol @ mad niggas

some of you act like it's your job to convince people, and if you don't you've failed at life's purposes
lol you get it but you soooo don't get it.
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I would like to believe in UFO's but all the videos I've seen have not been definitive and seem shopped or video edited. Just like how Ancient Aliens use hoaxed archeological evidence sometimes, makes me a little more sceptical about it.
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I would like to believe in UFO's but all the videos I've seen have not been definitive and seem shopped or video edited. Just like how Ancient Aliens use hoaxed archeological evidence sometimes, makes me a little more sceptical about it.
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What convinced you of this?
What yawanur posted + U.S.A. being the kind of empire to encourage the myth of aliens so that everyone assumes their military tests are aliens.
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Thanks yawanur, had no idea what the name/project/whatever was.
Looks just like what I saw, except certainly they've tested many variants or other models which is why they are sometimes described differently.
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What yawanur posted + U.S.A. being the kind of empire to encourage the myth of aliens so that everyone assumes their military tests are aliens.


Thanks yawanur, had no idea what the name/project/whatever was.
Looks just like what I saw, except certainly they've tested many variants or other models which is why they are sometimes described differently.
From what I've read, the military created the tr-3b through reverse engineering downed alien craft such as the disk from roswell. Thus any reports of a giant black triangle with lights on the corners/center are our craft, while the undoubtedly more advanced gleaming disks belong to the aliens. It seems the black triangle craft are more prone to goofy antics like following cars on the highway late at night as well as flying low in plain site, so it makes sense those are ours.

It's debatable weather to call them aliens or not; it seems that some species have been here as long as civilization has existed, and may have played a key role in helping us advance, whether it be through knowledge or direct genetic manipulation. But of course they also fuck with us and probably harvest us for nutrients.

So you don't actually believe in aliens then? Can I ask why not? With nearly every major religion mentioning god-like beings that come from the sky, along with tons of reports of ufo sightings as well as many reports of government coverups through the past 50 years, I think it is pretty obvious aliens visit earth and have been for a long time.

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So you don't actually believe in aliens then? Can I ask why not? With nearly every major religion mentioning god-like beings that come from the sky, along with tons of reports of ufo sightings as well as many reports of government coverups through the past 50 years, I think it is pretty obvious aliens visit earth and have been for a long time.
It wouldn't be below the U.S.A. empire to have staged the Roswell incident. The state can obviously use it to its advantage that if it keeps covering up supposed 'alien' reports public belief in aliens will increase, which is what the state wants so the U.S.A. can keep it's technological prototypes secret.

Since the U.S.A. military is a collection of competing groups which don't share info even they can contribute to reporting alien sightings since the U.S.A. does info on a top-down "need-to-know-basis", if telling anything at all.

As for me believing in aliens, what is more probable? The state encouraging the alien myth to allow it's military experiments to remain unnoticed? Or...aliens?
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As for me believing in aliens, what is more probable? The state encouraging the alien myth to allow it's military experiments to remain unnoticed? Or...aliens?
the state dosnt "encourage the alien myth".. Infact, they do exactly the opposite..

Believing the earth is the only planet in the universe with life on it is a little egocentric ya think? Consider the size of the universe its rediculous...
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the state dosnt "encourage the alien myth".. Infact, they do exactly the opposite..

Believing the earth is the only planet in the universe with life on it is a little egocentric ya think? Consider the size of the universe its rediculous...
Churchill and Eisenhower both felt that informing the public about aliens would destroy peoples' faith in the church. Considering back then more than 90% of people believed in Judaism/Christianity, it would have been too much of a shock for nearly the entire population to realize their religion was a fairytale
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I'm convinced there is life on other planets.. UFOs? Yea, I believe in them too.. Not to an extremest extent but hell, who knows whats out there.. Does it freak me out? No, not really.. Because I don't view aliens with the same stereotypical disdain that is often applied to them because of governments connection to their coverup.. They have something going for them if they were able to create the technology to come to earth before eliminating their race out of spite, envy, and paranoia..
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Churchill and Eisenhower both felt that informing the public about aliens would destroy peoples' faith in the church. Considering back then more than 90% of people believed in Judaism/Christianity, it would have been too much of a shock for nearly the entire population to realize their religion was a fairytale
A large majority of children believe in Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny, but only a miniscule few are traumatized the rest of their lives when they find out otherwise.
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lol @ mad niggas

some of you act like it's your job to convince people, and if you don't you've failed at life's purposes
If you take that offer, you do what not many have done.

If you don't, you blend in and become so taken under by the will to submit, even to the illusion in your own experiences, that nothing will ever be the same.

Or in shorter words, you'll just take the offer much later, when it's much more difficult.

If you have no option?

Then simply ask yourself what you would like to experience in life and go from there. With an open mind and emotional sense.

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I would like to believe in UFO's but all the videos I've seen have not been definitive and seem shopped or video edited. Just like how Ancient Aliens use hoaxed archeological evidence sometimes, makes me a little more sceptical about it.
You'll have to find your natural balance. Everyone is trying to trick someone these days.....

There is a pattern, just like any code or repetitive actions, there is some reason underlying all of this.

You only need to take a serious look at the universe and think for a moment to see the possibilities. To get out of all the mixed information/disinformation from there, takes years.

But if you have a solid understanding of nature and the universe, in your heart, you will already know the truth.
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Unless they have ancient hieroglyphic type markings on them, utilize anti-gravity and exhibit telepathic awareness of your own visual and mental perceptions.

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What yawanur posted + U.S.A. being the kind of empire to encourage the myth of aliens so that everyone assumes their military tests are aliens.
Just remember how this all started.

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It's debatable weather to call them aliens or not;
Not when the above happens, and of course, remember, ALIEN is a loaded word.

And most of the experiences contain these elements.
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It wouldn't be below the U.S.A. empire to have staged the Roswell incident. The state can obviously use it to its advantage that if it keeps covering up supposed 'alien' reports public belief in aliens will increase, which is what the state wants so the U.S.A. can keep it's technological prototypes secret.

Since the U.S.A. military is a collection of competing groups which don't share info even they can contribute to reporting alien sightings since the U.S.A. does info on a top-down "need-to-know-basis", if telling anything at all.

As for me believing in aliens, what is more probable? The state encouraging the alien myth to allow it's military experiments to remain unnoticed? Or...aliens?
I suppose that's a plausible explanation, but as danger pointed out the state has done everything possible to discourage knowledge of aliens. Can you imagine a debate on your local news channel with an anchor arguing that aliens visit earth regularly and have been for a long time? It is unimaginable to me; they would be laughed out of the studio.

[quote=Danger;3513817Believing the earth is the only planet in the universe with life on it is a little egocentric ya think? Consider the size of the universe its rediculous...[/QUOTE]


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Churchill and Eisenhower both felt that informing the public about aliens would destroy peoples' faith in the church. Considering back then more than 90% of people believed in Judaism/Christianity, it would have been too much of a shock for nearly the entire population to realize their religion was a fairytale
...but damn would it have been funny!

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Unless they have ancient hieroglyphic type markings on them, utilize anti-gravity and exhibit telepathic awareness of your own visual and mental perceptions.
well those are military, so they aren't on that level

you're describing the real disks

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Not when the above happens, and of course, remember, ALIEN is a loaded word.
Just because a being is at a higher consciousness level or whatever doesn't make it alien. One site mentioned reptilians have ties to sauropods and just live underground, but they're still native to earth (maybe...)
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you're describing the real disks
A version of what the military thought they "stole".


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Just because a being is at a higher consciousness level or whatever doesn't make it alien. One site mentioned reptilians have ties to sauropods and just live underground, but they're still native to earth (maybe...)
Thus the intentions will help you define them and the actions, set and setting will help you find the intentions.

Many variables, mind always plays a part.
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The funny thing is about the UFO conspiracy is how you are almost hardwired to relate anything UFO, Alien related to something easily explainable.
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