The Rush to Prohibit Kratom

[CountBlah]

[Ambient]

Originally Posted by Figure-8

They gonna killll yal.

No seriously, the opiates will kill you faster. Like, in a serious case of addiction.

Plus, that's not what this plant does. Unless you're just grinding up and eating roots in which case you might ingest a little bit too much of that liver stressing chemical. If you get the clean leaf or the parts that don't contain that chemical, it's safe, more effective, and entirely helpful when used correctly.

Yet, once gain, you can get this cheap, it's a plant, and it's free. The people who peddle legal, addicting, drugs that kill thousands per year cannot make that much money off of this.

So like a criminal, they go to take out the competition. Again, mark my words, heads will roll. This is blasphemy.

Everything that heals you shall be made illegal, everything damaging to your free thought, your body and your mind will be made forced into your diet, medicine and health routine.
So basically, population control mixed with a ruthless, lawless gang hell bent on taking over, utilizing false belief, down right lies, and pure fear tactics to get what they want.

Hell-o.

Holy shit. Coherency.

[sexually vulnerable CPR dummy]

I am 63 years old and a tax-paying productive member of society. I have been using kratom daily for several years to combat chronic anxiety and depression plus the minor aches and pains resulting from my work and my age. It works great and I have NO side effects. Good appitite, sleep good, regular bowels, and my liver is in great shape even though I have had hepatitis c for more that 20 years.I will tell you in a nutshell what is behind the calls for banning it. Big Pharma. They don't want people to have a safe, cheap natural alternative to the expensive,dangerous addictive drugs that they sell at great profit.Am I addicted? Probably. But so long as it is legal,that is not a problem. I am also addicted to a cousin of kratom,called coffee. So what.

[iMagiNation]

Originally Posted by curioushat

http://www.angus-reid.com/wp-content..._Drugs_USA.pdf

From August 4 to August 5, 2010, Angus Reid Public Opinion
conducted an online survey among 1,005 American adults who
are Springboard America panelists. The margin of error—which
measures sampling variability—is +/- 3.1%. The results have
been statistically weighted according to the most current
education, age, gender and region Census data to ensure a
sample representative of the entire adult population of the
United States. Discrepancies in or between totals are due to
rounding

If it makes you feel better, my number was slightly off, though it only speaks of individual drugs. 8% being the ceiling for all drug legalization.

lol what a beautiful sauce....from your pdf:

In the online survey of a representative national sample of 1,003 American adults, 55 per cent of respondents support the legalization of marijuana, while 40 per cent oppose it.
The groups that are the most supportive of making cannabis legal in the U.S. are Democrats (63%), Independents (61%), Men (57%) and respondents aged 35-to-54 (57%).
However, only 10 per cent of Americans support legalizing ecstasy. Smaller proportions of respondents would consent to the legalization of powder cocaine (9%), heroin (8%), methamphetamine or ―crystal meth‖ (7%), and crack cocaine (7%).

emphasis added.

furthermore that's only one poll, and if you look at it closely it says:

CONTACT:
Mario Canseco, Vice President, Angus Reid Public Opinion, 877-730-3570, mario.canseco@angus-reid.com
Only nine per cent of respondents believe the ―War on Drugs‖—the efforts of the U.S. government to reduce the illegal drug trade—has been a success, while two thirds (67%) deem it a failure.

67% deem the war on drugs a failure. that's huge. even if only a small portion of people would be down for "legalization" (whatever that implies) it's most likely due to stigmas and ignorance. the majority of the american people don't support the draconic drug laws we have in place.

[turboneger]

yea i think they should ban kava too, last night i od'eded x 6 on kava and it made me want to go to sleep.

[Dr. Kush]

Originally Posted by turboneger

yea i think they should ban kava too, last night i od'eded x 6 on kava and it made me want to go to sleep.

Fuck that, Kava is great. It only takes about 2 500mg capsules and you're feeling happy and relaxed. I've never gotten sleepy from Kava before, you're doing it wrong.

[sexually vulnerable CPR dummy]

kava? :vomits:

[&Zenith]

Originally Posted by AdMech

It is already happening in some other countries (at least two that I know of, and now a third is considering it).

As far as I know, the only noteworthy changes are decriminalization which is at least a step in the right direction if not the best course of action.

[turboneger]

Originally Posted by &Zenith

As far as I know, the only noteworthy changes are decriminalization which is at least a step in the right direction if not the best course of action.

In the Czech Republic they practically legalized everything: http://www.praguepost.com/news/3194-...t-liberal.html

Probably because it was so unbelieveably corrupt. Drug deals going down right in front of cops, on every corner in Prague, you know they're being paid off. Shit, ever corner nigga had anything you could ask for at good (sometimes great) quality.

[&Zenith]

Originally Posted by turboneger

In the Czech Republic they practically legalized everything: http://www.praguepost.com/news/3194-...t-liberal.html

Probably because it was so unbelieveably corrupt. Drug deals going down right in front of cops, on every corner in Prague, you know they're being paid off. Shit, ever corner nigga had anything you could ask for at good (sometimes great) quality.

At a glance they've only decriminalized. Legalization is an even bigger step but I see what you're saying.

[cronic5]

Kratom fucking blows anyway. If I take 20 grams, I get only the very absolute slightly of a feeling, and that might just be placebo.

Fuck Kratom. Tastes like shit, too.

[AdMech]

I got a pretty intense hydro- or oxycodone-like feeling from kratom. I just couldn't enjoy it due to the nausea.

Originally Posted by &Zenith

As far as I know, the only noteworthy changes are decriminalization which is at least a step in the right direction if not the best course of action.

You're right; in four countries (I forgot to include Uruguay), personal amounts of all drugs are decriminalized (not legalized). I will point out that in three cases, it is known to be a success (IIRC, if it has been in the Czech Republic), and the fourth case is pending.

[iMagiNation]

Originally Posted by cronic5

Kratom fucking blows anyway. If I take 20 grams, I get only the very absolute slightly of a feeling, and that might just be placebo.

Fuck Kratom. Tastes like shit, too.

it might be the kind that you've tried. if you only ever smoked dirt weed you'd probably talk a lot of shit about that, too.

[curioushat]

Originally Posted by iMagiNation

lol what a beautiful sauce....from your pdf:



emphasis added.

furthermore that's only one poll, and if you look at it closely it says:



67% deem the war on drugs a failure. that's huge. even if only a small portion of people would be down for "legalization" (whatever that implies) it's most likely due to stigmas and ignorance. the majority of the american people don't support the draconic drug laws we have in place.

The majority of Americans agree that the drug war is a failure. However very few agree with legalization. There is far too much influence in politics from anti-drug zealots to make this a reality. Think about how many jobs would be lost: practically the entire DEA, and a whole lot of cops too.

[iMagiNation]

Originally Posted by curioushat

The majority of Americans agree that the drug war is a failure. However very few agree with legalization. There is far too much influence in politics from anti-drug zealots to make this a reality. Think about how many jobs would be lost: practically the entire DEA, and a whole lot of cops too.

lol you're an idiot. the DEA could be turned into the Drug Education Agency.

[Figure-8]

Jesus.

He's right!

Everything that doesn't work, or works AGAINST humanity, could be converted into something the HELPS people.

I mean....
that's kind of how we got here in the first place....now we're just bouncing around like no one knows what's what.

[iMagiNation]

^^word.

[cronic5]

Originally Posted by iMagiNation

it might be the kind that you've tried. if you only ever smoked dirt weed you'd probably talk a lot of shit about that, too.

Rest easy Kratom lover, it wasn't defected product, it was the product itself.

Kratom is weak as HELL, and ingesting it is unpleasant, not worth the effects I can get from a cigarette. It is absolutely worthless in every possible way. I have tried three vendors and a few direct merchants. I have been to the best reviewed places, and the worst, I have tried at least 8 strains of Kratom, always ingesting 20+ grams, always taking it the "optimum" way.

Kratom is a waste of time, completely.

[iMagiNation]

Originally Posted by cronic5

Rest easy Kratom lover, it wasn't defected product, it was the product itself.

Kratom is weak as HELL, and ingesting it is unpleasant, not worth the effects I can get from a cigarette. It is absolutely worthless in every possible way. I have tried three vendors and a few direct merchants. I have been to the best reviewed places, and the worst, I have tried at least 8 strains of Kratom, always ingesting 20+ grams, always taking it the "optimum" way.

Kratom is a waste of time, completely.

yeah, maybe for you.

[cronic5]

I guess some people have a weak tolerance. Even after going months without opiates, Kratom did nothing to me.

I don't get the hype. Is everyone taking suboxone beforehand, or just not into opiates?

[iMagiNation]

I've always been really sensitive to opiates and I've done quite a lot of them. I can still get high off of ~30 mg hydrocodone and 60+ mg will definitely get me on a nod. My tolerance builds up fast but falls away even quicker.

It also depends on how you take it, much like other herbal highs. Metabolism can play a huge role and ingesting things like coffee or tea can have an effect.

[cronic5]

Originally Posted by iMagiNation

I've always been really sensitive to opiates and I've done quite a lot of them. I can still get high off of ~30 mg hydrocodone and 60+ mg will definitely get me on a nod. My tolerance builds up fast but falls away even quicker.

It also depends on how you take it, much like other herbal highs. Metabolism can play a huge role and ingesting things like coffee or tea can have an effect.

That has to be it then. I have a pretty high natural tolerance to opiates, 40mg of oxycodone will give me a mild buzz, 80mg will get me to a low nod. Of course the few times I've injected it, it was real nice.

I've tried Kratom in every shape and form. I've chewed the leaves, made tea, capsules, all of it.

Only Kratom I've ever had that gave me an effect was some Gold Reserve from the Kratom Kings, and it was very mild, I think it was placebo since it was my first time, and it was an extract.

I have a fast metabolism and only weigh 130lbs, I thought it'd hit me hard.

[BITCH TITZ]

most i've felt from kratom is a feeling comparable to 20mg of hydrocodone, which is just a little mood boost and a warm sort of body feeling. other times i've felt nothing

[sexually vulnerable CPR dummy]

i take 8 grams daily and it makes me feel fucking great

[curioushat]

Originally Posted by iMagiNation

lol you're an idiot. the DEA could be turned into the Drug Education Agency.

Lol, you're retarded. You don't just have 10,000 people flip their job upside down.

[Figure-8]

Right...because...then.....we would....lose....all....the.....?

[iMagiNation]

Originally Posted by curioushat

Lol, you're retarded. You don't just have 10,000 people flip their job upside down.

you're moving in with your aunt and uncle