turkey hunting with an M4

[sepht]

I never hunted before and I know bird shot guns would be ideal but I really don't like using a single shot or pump action gun.

I was wondering if buying a barrel extender, a scout scope, and a suppressor for my M4A3 would make it decent enough to hunt small game such as turkeys?

I want to buy a suppressor so I can use my ears to listen for rustling game and prevent going deaf. I know .223 is just barely strong enough for dear but I was wondering if a few shots to the head and heart with a semi auto extended M4 would bring it down humanely anyway?

Can anyone suggest me a good barrel extender and scout scope? I'd also like to know of any good 12in barrels that can have the front sight modified so I can switch out a scope or iron sights depending if I'm taking it hunting or keeping it on my wall as a home defense gun.

[Gun Lover]

Bahaha, you've obviously never seen a wild turkey. Those fuckers are FAST

Good luck nailing a turkey with a single projectile smaller than a quarter inch

[sepht]

Originally Posted by Gun Lover

Bahaha, you've obviously never seen a wild turkey. Those fuckers are FAST

Good luck nailing a turkey with a single projectile smaller than a quarter inch

Yeah well if I have a semi auto with 30 rounds I can keep shooting until I hit it :v

[Midwest]

Originally Posted by Gun Lover

Bahaha, you've obviously never seen a wild turkey. Those fuckers are FAST

Good luck nailing a turkey with a single projectile smaller than a quarter inch

i think broadheads can only be 7/8 of a inch.
people kill them with those all the time.

[sepht]

I did some research and I found I need to get a drop in barrel. Maybe get a 12in and a 20in and drop them in depending on what I will use the rifle for. I don't feel like using a scope because it seems like a pain in the ass to re sight the damn thing every damn time. I can aim just fine with iron sights.

how this beauty?

http://www.tacticalinc.com/tac16-ar1...ssor-p-44.html

[roasted]

Originally Posted by sepht

I never hunted before and I know bird shot guns would be ideal but I really don't like using a single shot or pump action gun.

I dont know where you live, but most likely its illegal to hunt turkey with a rifle. Check with your Department of Wildlife for legal "methods of take" It's probably limited to shotgun, archery and air rifle. If you're using a shotgun, you probably want Turkey Loads. Regular #7 birdshot wont cut it.

Originally Posted by sepht

I was wondering if buying a barrel extender, a scout scope, and a suppressor for my M4A3 would make it decent enough to hunt small game such as turkeys?

See above answer for hunting...

Originally Posted by sepht

I want to buy a suppressor so I can use my ears to listen for rustling game and prevent going deaf. I know .223 is just barely strong enough for dear but I was wondering if a few shots to the head and heart with a semi auto extended M4 would bring it down humanely anyway?

.223 vs deer isnt an awesome idea. If it takes more than one shot its not humane or responsible. If you have to headshot it, get more power and go for vital organs. Relying on a headshot is bush-league. Something like a .270 is good for Black Tail Deer and other small deer.

It also might be illegal to hunt with an AR. AR are usually varmit rifles...ie coyotes, foxes, racoons, pig, etc. Depending on your state it might be illegal to hunt deer with them

Originally Posted by sepht

Can anyone suggest me a good barrel extender and scout scope? I'd also like to know of any good 12in barrels that can have the front sight modified so I can switch out a scope or iron sights depending if I'm taking it hunting or keeping it on my wall as a home defense gun.

I cant recommend a barrel extender, but just fyi, m4's come with 16" barrels. A 12" is going to be a NFA barrel...

Dont worry about replacing the gas block unless you really want to. You can have pretty much any scope you want with a standard A2 front post. Most popular low power AR scopes are going to either co-witness or float right above the front post. If you really want, get an Optics Ready (OR/ORC) AR upper and look into a good set of Back Up Iron Sights (BUIS)

OR:


A2 Post:

[sepht]

Well shit I cant use a rifle. Fiiiiine I'll use my bow.

http://wdfw.wa.gov/hunting/regulations/

[roasted]

Originally Posted by sepht

Well shit I cant use a rifle. Fiiiiine I'll use my bow.

http://wdfw.wa.gov/hunting/regulations/

Might I suggest:

High Def for your viewing pleasure...

High Def for your viewing pleasure...
Video: click to display

[sepht]

Looks like I can hunt cougars with my rifle. I wonder how they taste.

Looks like they are really dangerous and could kill you. I love a challenge

http://wdfw.wa.gov/publications/01383/wdfw01383.pdf

[roasted]

Lions are hard as hell to hunt...they are more trophy than meat. Most people use dogs to get the lion bayed up in a tree and then take with a handgun or bow. Without dogs and/or fresh snow, its almost impossible to track them

Everytime I go out for deer or elk though, I always get a lion tag just in case I come across one. My buddies would laugh at me forever if I saw one but couldnt shoot it

[sepht]

Originally Posted by roasted

Lions are hard as hell to hunt...

makes the meat all the more satisfying

[roasted]

true, but the chances of successfully bagging a lion are very low. Thats why the hunting seasons are very long and they issue so many tags for them.

If you hunt deer, lots of people do it for cheap meat. People that hunt lion, want a taxidermy lion on their wall. You can and should eat it if you kill one, but the odds of success are quite low. Lions are fast, quiet, largely nocturnal, and cover huge ranges. I've lived in Mountain Lion country my whole life and I've only seen two in my entire life in the wild

[5.56 SS109]

LOL @ hunting cougars with an M4-style rifle.

Only advice I can give you is to use 70gr Barnes TSXs if you have a 1/7" twist.

[The Pat-Man]

lol you go ahead and go mountain lion hunting, i assure you you will not be the one doing the hunting.

[sepht]

Originally Posted by The Pat-Man

lol you go ahead and go mountain lion hunting, i assure you you will not be the one doing the hunting.

The Thrill of the Hunt! (feat. The Game Chasers) - YouTube

The Thrill of the Hunt! (feat. The Game Chasers) - YouTube
Video: click to display

[Gun Lover]

Originally Posted by Midwest

i think broadheads can only be 7/8 of a inch.
people kill them with those all the time.

That's well over 3x wider than a .223... but still I respect anyone with that kinda skill.

Also, big cat hunting with a <100 grain bullet:

[mizled]

I clicked on this thread totally expecting to see a turkey holding an M4 and shooting at rabbits or something.

Disappointed.

[Pee Vee Proots, M.D.]

Originally Posted by mizled

I clicked on this thread totally expecting to see a turkey holding an M4 and shooting at rabbits or something.

Disappointed.

Marry me.

Also why is it illegal to hunt turkey with a rifle? How does it make any difference how you kill the little fuckers?

[sepht]

Originally Posted by Pee Vee Proots, M.D.

Marry me.

Also why is it illegal to hunt turkey with a rifle? How does it make any difference how you kill the little fuckers?

idk probably the indians calling all the shots on whats ethical to hunt with

[sepht]

In any case I think it would be a good idea to carry a rifle while hiking; hunting or not.

[Hydroponichronic]

Originally Posted by roasted

Might I suggest:



High Def for your viewing pleasure...

Holy shit, he just decapitated a fucking turkey with a bow. WTF

[47 47 47]

From like ten feet away

not saying I could do it, and it was still cool anyways

[p6867]

Originally Posted by Gun Lover

Bahaha, you've obviously never seen a wild turkey. Those fuckers are FAST

Good luck nailing a turkey with a single projectile smaller than a quarter inch

I've killed turkeys with .22 mag and once a sling shot.

Originally Posted by roasted

true, but the chances of successfully bagging a lion are very low. Thats why the hunting seasons are very long and they issue so many tags for them.

If you hunt deer, lots of people do it for cheap meat. People that hunt lion, want a taxidermy lion on their wall. You can and should eat it if you kill one, but the odds of success are quite low. Lions are fast, quiet, largely nocturnal, and cover huge ranges. I've lived in Mountain Lion country my whole life and I've only seen two in my entire life in the wild

cougars would stalk my livestock as a kid, but we had a huge pack of dogs to keep coyotes and cougars away. My neighbors raised besenjis, and their pack killed a cougar once.


And sepht, i sincerely hope you attempt this. I'm a pretty fucking good hunter and i wouldn't stalk a cougar. Lions are smart and they will kill you. Just from the advice you need, you're obviously a shitty hunter. There is no chance of you being successful and a decent chance you will die or be seriously injured.

[Gun Lover]

Originally Posted by p6867

I've killed turkeys with .22 mag and once a sling shot.

I've only hunted in really dense forest; I could hear them tearing ass but I didn't see any. I was kinda shocked to see them get that close to the hunters because of the decoy in that decapitation video above.

[p6867]

Originally Posted by Gun Lover

I've only hunted in really dense forest; I could hear them tearing ass but I didn't see any. I was kinda shocked to see them get that close to the hunters because of the decoy in that decapitation video above.

i got a pheasant on the wing with my PMR 30 a few years ago.


Like a boss.

[Gun Lover]

Originally Posted by p6867

i got a pheasant on the wing with my PMR 30 a few years ago.

Reminds me of the time I shot these huge turkey vultures from a boat with a T/C .45LC.

The thing still stuck to that branch after many shots that obviously didn't cause death. So I grabbed the 12 gauge instead and unloaded a whole tube's worth of magnum buckshot in it. It clung to that branch until after the 3rd shot

[p6867]

really? Fuck.

[The Pat-Man]

turkey vultures are hellspawn man one of them picked up a 5 pound dog at my farm and murked that little fella.

[ScaryGary]

Why in the hell would you want to turkey hunt with a silenced M4? you want to go ahead and slap on a grenade launching attachment so you can smokescreen them too? they're turkeys, dude. dangerous in numbers, but god damn.

first of all, silencers are nothing like they are in video games and movies. in reality, they only drop the sound of the shot by a few decibels. why they're even illegal (if it's even true that they are), I have no idea. because they're hardly effective. it's probably because anything anyone would need one for would clearly be no good of a situation.

second of all, are you going to be eating this turkey? a bullet would leave a fucking mess and maybe even not much left of it. you want to go for it's head, so you'll want something precise. like a bow. there are arrows intended for decapitating them.

but of course I'm sure you're just kidding..

[5.56 SS109]

Sound suppressors significantly reduce the sound signature of even high powered rifles. There are dozens of viable reasons to put a sound suppressor on a sporting firearm. Aside from reducing or eliminating hearing damage, the also reduce recoil and generally cause the rifle to be mechanically more accurate. Using a suppressor instead of in the ear hearing protection also increases shooting safety as you can be more aware of you surroundings and not have reduced hearing capability because of ear plugs/muffs.

Also .223 is a decent centerfire round for turkey and proper bullet selection (solid copper Barnes TSX, 53gr) will eliminate excessive meat damage that fragmenting .223 rounds would cause.

[tuer502gt]

Originally Posted by The Pat-Man

turkey vultures are hellspawn man one of them picked up a 5 pound dog at my farm and murked that little fella.

Ok I just did the maths in my head. Was it a puppy or a shih tzu or something?

Originally Posted by Gun Lover
Bahaha, you've obviously never seen a wild turkey. Those fuckers are FAST
Good luck nailing a turkey with a single projectile smaller than a quarter inch

Also I don't know the types of turkeys you get, but ours aren't that fast, but they're really agile, and hunting them isn't a blood sport because it's adrenaline charged instinctive shooting sort of like clays but with more fear.

[RadicalApex]

Originally Posted by The Pat-Man

turkey vultures are hellspawn man one of them picked up a 5 pound dog at my farm and murked that little fella.

One time I shot one with an arrow and 3 .22 before it died. It just kept making that hell noise they make at me, so I decided to beat it to death with my ruger. Fuck turkey vultures.

Originally Posted by ScaryGary

why they're even illegal (if it's even true that they are), I have no idea. because they're hardly effective. it's probably because anything anyone would need one for would clearly be no good of a situation.

No they're not you fucking momo. It'll cost you a $200 tax stamp, an ATF form, and a background check with a waiting peroid; in addition to the cost of the supressor iteself. And they're not hardly effective or useless. See SS109's post for clarification on this.

[sepht]

i used to kill rats with a hammer as a kid

it was my job as pest control and help feed the feral cats

[Gun Lover]

Originally Posted by RadicalApex

One time I shot one with an arrow and 3 .22 before it died. It just kept making that hell noise they make at me, so I decided to beat it to death with my ruger. Fuck turkey vultures.

The second one I went after washed up on shore still moving a bit. Put the 12 gauge on his head, pulled the trigger. Barely even tore the skin on its skull...

[1983]

Only ever killed one turkey in my life as of yet... Plan on doing it again because they're fucking delicious.

My hunting day started by me waking up at and early 10 in the AM scratching myself and walking upstairs to see if there was anything to drink.
Moving to the kitchen window to get a glass of water I seen four turkeys pecking at my back lawn so I put my glass down and walked over to my bookshelf and grabbed one of the guns sitting there which at the time was a single shot .22LR Cooey bolt action.

Scratching again I walked back to the window and slid it and the screen open just enough to get my barrel out of the house so I didn't deafen myself and pulled the trigger. The round entered just below the turkeys head severing its spine dropping it in its place.

Putting the rifle back on the bookshelf my dad came in:

Dad
"You're shooting chipmunks again?"
Me
"Nope... Turkey"
Dad
"Bullshit!"
Me
"Nope, Turkey" *Points*
Dad
"It's a fucking turkey!"
Me
"Yep, Turkey"

I proceeded to scrounge around for leftover bacon and other breakfast goodness to make me a sammich and later on that night had some amazing wild turkey for dinner.


For shooting a bird with a rifle make it a head shot, Anything else will fuck up all the meat.

Same with using a shotgun, Aim for the head because you'll be busting your teeth out on pellets all night long.

For calls I used to raise wild turkeys and their chicks make a noise much like whistling.

1 Day old Turkey Poults - YouTube

1 Day old Turkey Poults - YouTube
Video: click to display

At 0:09 one whistles and if you do this the Hens will come to see if one of their chicks is lost and the Toms will come to try to kill it.

About all I can think of right now but if you got any questions just ask. On a side note bait with some cracked corn or MNR deer rations... They'll keep coming around.

Al

[roasted]

Do you bow hunt at all? I think bows are the way to go for turkey...less meat damage (with a body shot) and the option to use guillotines for headshots. Plus you dont have to worry about eating shot, but +1 on turkey meat...danklicious.