Watch the video of building 7 in NYC falling down by itself, never hit by a plane or anything, just collapses, on the same day as the wtc buIldings, but hours later.
Watch the video of building 7 in NYC falling down by itself, never hit by a plane or anything, just collapses, on the same day as the wtc buIldings, but hours later.
From there make your own judgements
I think the official version is more convincing for wtc 7. It says that falling debris/embers gouged a hole in the south face of the tower, causing fires which spread across 10 floors. Seeing as it wasn't until around 5pm that the building fell, I'm guessing the fires weakened the steel structure (which was insulated to resist 2-3 hours of fires, this obviously wasn't long enough). There is an extended video of the wtc 7 building in which it shows the penthouse on the roof collapsing into the tower before the tower collapses. My guess is that this gouged out the inner structure, which would explain why the tower bends inward as it falls.
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just look into it with an open mind and use your instincts. listen to what your gut is telling you about it. and when i say open mind i mean take it all with a pinch of salt from both sides too, remember both the govt and the conspiracy theorists both have the potential to lie and bend the truth toward their own agenda.
personally i don't trust the govt anymore than the theorists. i don't believe what most conspiracy nuts say happened, but i also don't think the govt is being straight up about it either. the wars that happened as a result were just way too much of an over reaction and were also the best thing that could have happened for the politicians and their elite buddies.
i personally doubt that the govt or CIA planted explosives or blew up buildings and claimed non-existent planes hit them, and i think its even more unlikely that the hijackings themselves were done by US people. however i do highly suspect that the US govt knew more than they claim, that they could most likely have prevented the attacks but let it go ahead anyway. they may even very well have used spies or plants in al quieda to plant the seeds and give them the idea.
the conspiracy theorists tho i believe really don't help the matter and just lead the majority of sheeple to believe anything any of them say is just the ramblings of a bunch of mentally retarded, schizophrenic loons. i wouldn't even be surprised if many of them are secretly working for the CIA/HS to make people believe exactly that, whenever they hear any theory.
when you look at just how much these wars have cost the taxpayers, and then notice that most of the politicians and their friends all happen to be major shareholders in the companies that supply all the weapons and ordinance to the military, it really makes you have to wonder. it means that for every tax dollar that the american people spend on ordinance, that's a few more cents going indirectly into their own pockets.
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"yeah so people, we was thinking maybe a war against a country, that only harbors these 'terrorists' is probably necessary. you know, to keep you safe and all that". *tries to keep a straight face*. "yeah so did i mention me and my elite friends companies have the contract to supply bomber jets and cobra attack copters to the military"? "actually forget all that, its not important right now and you don't really need to concern yourself with it. just forget i said that." "yeah so these taliban are going to kill you unless we stop them for you, so we're gonna use all that money you're giving us and use it to stop them ok?"
"oh and by the way..."
"SIR, I'M GONNA NEED TO CHECK INSIDE YOUR ASSHOLE"
"but its for your own good, so don't worry about it"
"oh yeah, and while we're at it, we are gonna implement a new law so that we can detain anyone we think is in any way involved with anything that could look like 'terrorist activity', without charge and for as long as we like. the law is actually gonna say that we can do this to any one of you, but trust us, we will only use it on people that are terrorists. well, people that we 'think', in 'our opinion' are associated with terrorism. even tho we already have that ability. but its cool, if you have nothing to hide then you have nothing to fear. seriously, just trust us, we won't abuse that law. and the fact that it gives us way more power and control over all of you is just a happy coincidence, sorry i mean coincidence, i definitely meant to just say coincidence there"
"oh and we're gonna need to be able to check all through your emails and other private stuff. but don't worry about that, we only have your best interests at heart. in fact we don't even care about our own interests."
"by the way nigel, how much was the dividend from my shares in marconi this year. oops, is this microphone still on."
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Start with watching lots of videos from every angle you can find. Make sure the videos are credible and with as little bias as possible, I'd be wary of any video that claims to dispel another opinion for this reason. Then get the official story, and look at the building plans if those are available, get info from structural engineers, etc. Just think of how you'd investigate the collapse of any building, and if you still think it's possible the government did it, then think of what motive might have driven them to this crime. Keep going from there. If you don't think it was a coverup or something, that's fine too. Don't believe anything that doesn't agree with your common sense.
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i don't actually agree with the truther guy in this video, but even still it will certainly convince you of a couple of things. mainly that the truther dude is a serious hardcore retard. but still, worth watching for the lulz tho.
i don't actually agree with the truther guy in this video, but even still it will certainly convince you of a couple of things. mainly that the truther dude is a serious hardcore retard. but still, worth watching for the lulz tho.
ikr? lol at rumsfeld was from illinois, he had the twin towers blown up because he thought the hipsters and faggots in NY didn't deserve to have the tallest building in america and he wanted sears tower to be.
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I can give you the resources you're looking for, but if you want to take it from someone who has been meticulously diving into deep politics for a few years now (honestly, far more than any healthy person should), you'll never be totally satisfied with any one conclusion.
There are so many loose ends and incredibly suspect coincidences, not to mention an overwhelming amount of connections to be made, that it's hard to really know what to believe when it comes down to it. Not only about 9/11 but basically any historical event, most notably US/'Western' Foreign Policy over the past 100 years. Here are some of the places that I got started on below, but I recommend doing your own in-depth research as well.
Pick out names, dates, organizations, companies, etc connected to 9/11 in some capacity from your reading. Use tools like Google's news archives and others to browse news reports from the months leading up to 9/11 and see what you can find. News media can provide some very interesting information that people may have overlooked since it didn't seem to be of any value at the time. Hindsight is a bitch.
I am of the belief that 9/11 was a failure of US intelligence resulting from our lack of HUMINT officers on the ground doing the type of spy work that prevents such attacks from happening. But I also believe Cheney & Co used this opportunity to launch a full scale offensive on the Middle East as they had planned to do for quite some time. Whether or not he was complicit in orchestrating the attack itself, I haven't yet concluded. Iraq was most certainly about oil, and the rumor that Saudi Arabia has less than they are admitting may be a key factor. After the Cold War, the DoD and IC were completely obsessed with their fancy new SIGINT technology and subsequently transferred much of the intelligence collection workload over to these satellites and other high-tech equipment and began to rely less on field officers who recruited assets and gained an intimate knowledge of the region through direct experience.
In short, we believed defeating communism meant nobody would have the guts to challenge our dominant global position. Years passed, and most of us completely forgot about groups like the Mujahideen, who we funded, armed, and trained to counter the USSR in Afghanistan. From the 80's to 90's, a lot happens in the way of middle east regional politics, much of it coalescing into 'blowback' from the way the U.S. handled relationships with Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, and Afghanistan. We didn't have a clue that nonstate actors could ever cause so much damage because we were so full of ourselves, we failed to acknowledge the turmoil we caused by meddling in the region. Too much to go into here, but hopefully this will start you off. Good luck.
One of countless interesting things to take into account:
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Antoinette DiLorenzo, teaching English to a class of Pakistani immigrants, asks a student gazing out the window, “What are you looking at?” The student points towards the WTC, and says, “Do you see those two buildings? They won’t be standing there next week.” At the time, nothing is thought of it, but on September 13, the FBI will interview all the people in the classroom and confirm the event. The FBI later places the boy’s family under surveillance but apparently is unable to find a connection to the 9/11 plot. An MSNBC reporter later sets out to disprove this “urban myth,” but to his surprise, finds all the details of the story are confirmed. The fact that the family members are recent immigrants from Pakistan might mean the information came from Pakistan. [MSNBC, 10/12/2001] Supposedly, on November 9, 2001, the same student predicts there will be a plane crash on November 12. On that day, American Airlines Flight 587 will crash on takeoff from New York, killing 260 people. Investigators will later determine that the crash is accidental. One official at the school later says many Arab-American students have come forward with their own stories about having prior knowledge before 9/11: “Kids are telling us that the attacks didn’t surprise them. This was a nicely protected little secret that circulated in the community around here.”
Where the hell do I start if I want to form my own opinion?
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Why does it even fucking matter? Like, on the topic of whether it was a conspiracy or not? What are you even going to do about it if it was?
If undeniable evidence of an internal conspiracy were to be discovered, America would, at the very least, finally realize that their interests are irrelevant to the current power structure that has dug itself into all facets of business and government capacities. Maybe, just maybe, more Americans would be far less eager to support even 'humanitarian' missions that involve combat operations putting US soldiers and innocent civilians lives at stake.
And, if we were particularly fed up with being deceived, prosecution/capital punishment could most certainly be pursued. But that's with absolute, irrefutable evidence of a cover up within the ranks of the USG/DoD. Until that type of evidence is presented, anyone who says they 'know the USG did 9/11' is demonstrating a fallacy of logic often called 'dangerous certainties'.
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Anybody who truly believes 9/11 was a conspiracy is completely retarded. That movie loose change is a joke and was filled with innacurate statements and outright lies.
Anybody who truly believes 9/11 was a conspiracy is completely retarded.
No, you're wrong. It is those who falsely believe that 9/11 was a conspiracy who are completely retarded. Those who truly believe that it was a conspiracy are only partially retarded.
Is it possible to have a reasonable debate with a truther?
Where can I do this?
Everything I've seen so far has been with idiots who spout the same bullshit all the others say without understanding any of it, then change the subject when they are presented with evidence which contradicts their claims.
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Is it possible to have a reasonable debate with a truther?
Where can I do this?
Everything I've seen so far has been with idiots who spout the same bullshit all the others say without understanding any of it, then change the subject when they are presented with evidence which contradicts their claims.
Not if you're already biased towards the discussion. Which judging by your use of the word "truther," you are.
Is it possible to have a reasonable debate with a truther?
Where can I do this?
Everything I've seen so far has been with idiots who spout the same bullshit all the others say without understanding any of it, then change the subject when they are presented with evidence which contradicts their claims.
Not if you're already biased towards the discussion. Which judging by your use of the word "truther," you are.
Not necessarily, it's just a label for someone who questions the official report.
I liken it to calling someone from Pakistan a paki, or an American a yankee.
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Where the hell do I start if I want to form my own opinion?
I'd listen to the civil and structural engineers saying, repeatedly, that the official story makes perfect sense.
Popular Science did an in-depth analysis explaining the math and physics.
As an engineering student, I can tell you that the heat of the fires were sufficiently hot enough to weaken the steel's strength by huge amounts, which is all that's needed to collapse it. The nonsense about steel's melting point being too high is bullshit.
You don't have to turn it to liquid to weaken it.
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Not necessarily, it's just a label for someone who questions the official report.
I liken it to calling someone from Pakistan a paki, or an American a yankee.
"Paki" and "Yankee" are both used pejoratively, much like "truther".
9/11
Like, on the topic of whether it was a conspiracy or not? What are you even going to do about it if it was?
