Not paying Traffic tickets???

[ACE_187]

I got abunch of tickets, I didn't have insurance but I guess it came up that I did. One was driving with no license. (or motorcycle permit). I don't want to get my license suspended though.

So all I have to do is show up in court, and tell them I don't want to pay them and they just keep me in jail for a few days right? If you are on probation would that be a violation? And they won't suspend it as long as I go to court right? I will fight it I guess to cost them as much money as possible.

[ACE_187]

Bump. They can't tell you you can't stay in jail instead of paying right?

[Tachosomoza]

They can suspend your license for not paying your tickets. Moron.

[ACE_187]

Originally Posted by Tachosomoza

They can suspend your license for not paying your tickets. Moron.

I just read they take $40 off for every day you spend in jail.

[Tachosomoza]

It varies according to municipality.

[ACE_187]

Originally Posted by Tachosomoza

It varies according to municipality.

What does? How much they take off?

And going to jail is considered the same as paying it right? What about it being a probation violation?

[ACE_187]

One of them was "thoughtless driving" wtf does that even mean? I wasn't arguing with him because I was worried about him knowing I didn't have insurance but it's like over $600 all together. It will be funny to see what the judge says

[Tachosomoza]

How they handle traffic tickets. Go to the website of the municipality where you got the tickets, you'll find a lot more information relevant to your situation there than you will here. As for the probation, call your probation officer. There's a bunch of variables and variations depending on where you are.

[Piles of Crack]

Just tie the tickets to a cinder block and throw that shit in the lake, they'll never find them.

[Ambient]

Don't take this as being full-proof, but... don't contract with them. Put it this way. Statutes (i.e. traffic statutes) are not addressed to you persay. Legalities such as statutes (i.e. "acts") pertain to legal entities. You, a living entity, can wield a legal entity and be accountable for it. However, this is only through agreement (contract). Lawfully speaking, there is no quarrel. If you injured a living entity or if they have a quarrel with you, it would be decided in court under common law whether or not your actions were unlawful. You have a contract with government through a legal avatar. Tickets will be charged to yer legal avatar. Therefore do not identify as the legal avatar, and you won't have to pay.

[ACE_187]

Originally Posted by Ambient

Don't take this as being full-proof, but... don't contract with them. Put it this way. Statutes (i.e. traffic statutes) are not addressed to you persay. Legalities such as statutes (i.e. "acts") pertain to legal entities. You, a living entity, can wield a legal entity and be accountable for it. However, this is only through agreement (contract). Lawfully speaking, there is no quarrel. If you injured a living entity or if they have a quarrel with you, it would be decided in court under common law whether or not your actions were unlawful. You have a contract with government through a legal avatar. Tickets will be charged to yer legal avatar. Therefore do not identify as the legal avatar, and you won't have to pay.

Idk if you're trolling me or not but that sounds really good.

[slicknickns]

Originally Posted by ACE_187

I got abunch of tickets, I didn't have insurance but I guess it came up that I did. One was driving with no license. (or motorcycle permit). I don't want to get my license suspended though.

So all I have to do is show up in court, and tell them I don't want to pay them and they just keep me in jail for a few days right? If you are on probation would that be a violation?

You'll be sucking black and mexican dick real soon kid. You ass will be torn apart. You'll never eat peanut butter again

[p6867]

What do you do for a living that spending a day in jail to take $40 dollars off is better than just doing whatever you do for income instead? If you make 6 bucks an hour for 8 hours it's better to just do that.

[Piles of Crack]

Originally Posted by p6867

What do you do for a living that spending a day in jail to take $40 dollars off is better than just doing whatever you do for income instead? If you make 6 bucks an hour for 8 hours it's better to just do that.

You appear to be under the hilarious assumption that BI posters have their priorities in order.

[ACE_187]

Originally Posted by slicknickns

You'll be sucking black and mexican dick real soon kid. You ass will be torn apart. You'll never eat peanut butter again

I've been in jail for a while in a much bigger/blacker city. And if I got to fuck one of the guards like that nazi guy did it would have actually been pretty fun.

and the peanut sandwiches were my favorite. I think it was wednesdays you got the peanut butter sandwich and some type of mystery meat on another one and I think maybe an miniature apple.

[Tachosomoza]

All ace does is post stupid shit like how to start a motorcycle gang and other stupid redneck shit. I don't take him seriously.

[ACE_187]

Originally Posted by p6867

What do you do for a living that spending a day in jail to take $40 dollars off is better than just doing whatever you do for income instead? If you make 6 bucks an hour for 8 hours it's better to just do that.

Collect SSI and we aren't supposed to admit to crimes but a little of that too.

[Tachosomoza]

Originally Posted by ACE_187

Collect SSI and we aren't supposed to admit to crimes but a little of that too.

For retardation and being inbred?

[ACE_187]

Originally Posted by Tachosomoza

For retardation and being inbred?

For someone living up to your commie ideals of leaching on the system you don't seem to like me much.

[Tachosomoza]

Originally Posted by ACE_187

For someone living up to your commie ideals of leaching on the system you don't seem to like me much.

You're cool enough. You're just an imbecile.

[ACE_187]

Originally Posted by Tachosomoza

You're cool enough. You're just an imbecile.

Thats also why I can be so careless about who I have unprotected sex with. On SSI they can only take like $60 a month from me max. No matter how many kids I have they just have to split that between them. It's a pretty sweet deal.

[ACE_187]

I just read a jury trial costs thousands. Is that right? And they have to give you one?

I will request a jury trial and just tell him right there even if I'm found guilty I would rather go to jail instead of pay. Do you think they would just say fuck it?

[iponu]

What I see happening is the judge telling you to do community service like picking up trash along the side of a highway or washing the sheets and rooms at the local morgue. I kind of agree that I would rather be in jail than spend 100 hours of this kind of work, but if you don’t do this court mandated community service, then you will be in contempt of court. But there are so many variables like is this state court or city court?

[iponu]

What I see happening is the judge telling you to do community service like picking up trash along the side of a highway or washing the sheets and rooms at the local morgue. I kind of agree that I would rather be in jail than spend 100 hours of this kind of work, but if you don’t do this court mandated community service, then you will be in contempt of court. But there are so many variables like is this state court or city court?

[Ambient]

Originally Posted by ACE_187

Idk if you're trolling me or not but that sounds really good.

Not trolling. Just never put the information I know into practice. It's definitely true that contract is the basis of law. It's common sense that you are a sovereign entity, that you aren't bound to anyone... excluding of course those who you willingly choose to do so with. The reason as to why you have to obey these legalities is because you have entered into contract with government... much like if you work at a company you operate under company policy. You can be free from government policy in the same way a samsung employee have to obey microsoft policis.

[slicknickns]

Originally Posted by ACE_187

I've been in jail for a while in a much bigger/blacker city. And if I got to fuck one of the guards like that nazi guy did it would have actually been pretty fun.

and the peanut sandwiches were my favorite. I think it was wednesdays you got the peanut butter sandwich and some type of mystery meat on another one and I think maybe an miniature apple.

That nazi guy? How you know I'm from Orange County, motherfucker? Oh, yeah, hahahahaha, yeah that was some funny shit. That was big news for awhile down here

[ACE_187]

iponu, city court I think. It's like this really small town that is a part of my county. The court I have to go to is in there town. And from what I hear they have a prosecutor there lol so I heard when you ask for a jury trial the judge calls the cop, and the prosecutor up there and they discuss whether it's worth it or not. Thats why I figured it would help if I told them even if they went through all the trouble and money I would still rather go to jail than pay. I don't see why they wouldn't just throw it out because the whole thing will do nothing but cost the city and county a lot of money. More than they were trying to take from me.

Ambient I may try to use that then I'm going to ask for a jury trial. I don't have anything planned to say yet. I'm kind of expecting them to just throw it out when I do because even though my tickets are high it's still going to cost them a lot more money than I'll be giving them even if they say I have to pay all of it which I doubt I will anyway.

slicknickns it was pretty funny. I think everybody else is just hearing about it

[Ambient]

Originally Posted by ACE_187

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If your not informed about the subtitles of law & legal matters, I wouldn't expect too much success. It couldn't hurt to try though. Do you have any papers or documents from the magistrate/city council/whatever entity? Often times these "issues", laying a charge. This is not a court summon, but rather an invitation. By your mere appearance in a court of this type, you are accepting the "issue" or charge to a certain extent. Remember they are not actually requesting your presence, technically they are asking for a piece of paper.

Think about it like this. Some one puts an envelope in yer mail. It reads "Dear sir, I have laid the charge of annoyance upon this residence of this house. Compensation for this annoyance shall be determined on an appointed date at thy house.". If you read something like that, wouldn't you think "what a fuckin dickhead"?. You would laugh it off and throw it in the trash. Why not the same for a magistrate? Because they are an authority figure.

If the documents you receive are addressed to your name in ALL CAPITAL LETTERS, that is your big clue. Living breathing individuals write their given and family and christian names with one capital letter. Corporations spell their first and last names in all capital letters. For example:

"John Doe"- Living, breathing, thinking individual; flesh and bone.
'JOHN DOE"- CORPORATION. Legal entity. It exists only in the form of language.

The only similarity between the two is in the casing. Living people have no jurisdiction over each other unless they enter into contract with each other, even if it may be a "social contract". There is a contract which exists between government (also acting as a corporation i.e. GOVERNMENT) and JOHN DOE. It essentially reads "you must do as I say". But John Doe is not able to be treated in this manner.

So, if the court issue is actually an invite, addressed to an all-caps name, try returning the documents. Tell them they got the wrong address, because you are not that person. If that doesn't work you can try writing a letter of rebuttal. Don't say I dispute the charges, that complicity says "I am the person your addressing". If you end up in court, do not agree to contract. What I mean by this is:

When you enter a court of that type, they do not have jurisdiction. They must gain jurisdiction before any progress can be made. This will be done by sounding the legal entities name. It shares the same name as you in terms of sound.... therefore if you do not know this, and that it is a trick, you will probably stand up and say something like "that's me". This is the equivalent of saying "do with me as you please". Once this happens, it's practically no contest, the judge will do as he wishes. Body language is also important. Never sit down, always be standing. If yer sitting and they call the name for example, if you stand up, that is consent.

Good luck.

[ACE_187]

Originally Posted by Ambient

If your not informed about the subtitles of law & legal matters, I wouldn't expect too much success. It couldn't hurt to try though. Do you have any papers or documents from the magistrate/city council/whatever entity? Often times these "issues", laying a charge. This is not a court summon, but rather an invitation. By your mere appearance in a court of this type, you are accepting the "issue" or charge to a certain extent. Remember they are not actually requesting your presence, technically they are asking for a piece of paper.

Think about it like this. Some one puts an envelope in yer mail. It reads "Dear sir, I have laid the charge of annoyance upon this residence of this house. Compensation for this annoyance shall be determined on an appointed date at thy house.". If you read something like that, wouldn't you think "what a fuckin dickhead"?. You would laugh it off and throw it in the trash. Why not the same for a magistrate? Because they are an authority figure.

If the documents you receive are addressed to your name in ALL CAPITAL LETTERS, that is your big clue. Living breathing individuals write their given and family and christian names with one capital letter. Corporations spell their first and last names in all capital letters. For example:

"John Doe"- Living, breathing, thinking individual; flesh and bone.
'JOHN DOE"- CORPORATION. Legal entity. It exists only in the form of language.

The only similarity between the two is in the casing. Living people have no jurisdiction over each other unless they enter into contract with each other, even if it may be a "social contract". There is a contract which exists between government (also acting as a corporation i.e. GOVERNMENT) and JOHN DOE. It essentially reads "you must do as I say". But John Doe is not able to be treated in this manner.

So, if the court issue is actually an invite, addressed to an all-caps name, try returning the documents. Tell them they got the wrong address, because you are not that person. If that doesn't work you can try writing a letter of rebuttal. Don't say I dispute the charges, that complicity says "I am the person your addressing". If you end up in court, do not agree to contract. What I mean by this is:

When you enter a court of that type, they do not have jurisdiction. They must gain jurisdiction before any progress can be made. This will be done by sounding the legal entities name. It shares the same name as you in terms of sound.... therefore if you do not know this, and that it is a trick, you will probably stand up and say something like "that's me". This is the equivalent of saying "do with me as you please". Once this happens, it's practically no contest, the judge will do as he wishes. Body language is also important. Never sit down, always be standing. If yer sitting and they call the name for example, if you stand up, that is consent.

Good luck.

Are you trying to become a lawyer?

Something I just remembered is I didn't sign it. I was never told to. All the other ones I had I had to sign.

EDIT: Do you think my plan will work? I mean if they thought I cared about going to jail they might go through with it to make a point, but if it's obvious I don't care they will just be wasting money for a jury trial when I have no intentions of paying them anyway, if they win I just take a vacation on them and cost them even more money.

[jrez]

Originally Posted by ACE_187

Are you trying to become a lawyer?

Something I just remembered is I didn't sign it. I was never told to. All the other ones I had I had to sign.

EDIT: Do you think my plan will work? I mean if they thought I cared about going to jail they might go through with it to make a point, but if it's obvious I don't care they will just be wasting money for a jury trial when I have no intentions of paying them anyway, if they win I just take a vacation on them and cost them even more money.

^All this talk above looks like it's literally taken straight from a youtube video I saw the other day

4. OUR SYSTEM OUR STRUCTURE OUR ILLUSION part 4 of 11 - YouTube

4. OUR SYSTEM OUR STRUCTURE OUR ILLUSION part 4 of 11 - YouTube
Video: click to display

- Skip to 4:35 if you want to listen to the actual information with the power points and all

[36fuckin5]

Originally Posted by Ambient

If your not informed about the subtitles of law & legal matters, I wouldn't expect too much success. It couldn't hurt to try though. Do you have any papers or documents from the magistrate/city council/whatever entity? Often times these "issues", laying a charge. This is not a court summon, but rather an invitation. By your mere appearance in a court of this type, you are accepting the "issue" or charge to a certain extent. Remember they are not actually requesting your presence, technically they are asking for a piece of paper.

Think about it like this. Some one puts an envelope in yer mail. It reads "Dear sir, I have laid the charge of annoyance upon this residence of this house. Compensation for this annoyance shall be determined on an appointed date at thy house.". If you read something like that, wouldn't you think "what a fuckin dickhead"?. You would laugh it off and throw it in the trash. Why not the same for a magistrate? Because they are an authority figure.

If the documents you receive are addressed to your name in ALL CAPITAL LETTERS, that is your big clue. Living breathing individuals write their given and family and christian names with one capital letter. Corporations spell their first and last names in all capital letters. For example:

"John Doe"- Living, breathing, thinking individual; flesh and bone.
'JOHN DOE"- CORPORATION. Legal entity. It exists only in the form of language.

The only similarity between the two is in the casing. Living people have no jurisdiction over each other unless they enter into contract with each other, even if it may be a "social contract". There is a contract which exists between government (also acting as a corporation i.e. GOVERNMENT) and JOHN DOE. It essentially reads "you must do as I say". But John Doe is not able to be treated in this manner.

So, if the court issue is actually an invite, addressed to an all-caps name, try returning the documents. Tell them they got the wrong address, because you are not that person. If that doesn't work you can try writing a letter of rebuttal. Don't say I dispute the charges, that complicity says "I am the person your addressing". If you end up in court, do not agree to contract. What I mean by this is:

When you enter a court of that type, they do not have jurisdiction. They must gain jurisdiction before any progress can be made. This will be done by sounding the legal entities name. It shares the same name as you in terms of sound.... therefore if you do not know this, and that it is a trick, you will probably stand up and say something like "that's me". This is the equivalent of saying "do with me as you please". Once this happens, it's practically no contest, the judge will do as he wishes. Body language is also important. Never sit down, always be standing. If yer sitting and they call the name for example, if you stand up, that is consent.

Good luck.

This sounds nice and all, but it isn't how it really works. I know a friend who tried something similar (and he has all the right paperwork on file at the courthouse to make himself soveirgn) and he still had to pay his tickets.

OP, just pay your damn tickets. If you request a jury trial, they're not gonna throw it out because of the cost, they're gonna grant it. And when you lose, they're gonna make you pay court costs. That's how the real world operates.

[STEROS]

my dad's such a dirt bag... he got a "running a red-light" ticket, ignored that shit, got sent a reminder letter, ignored that shit, and now they doubled his fine and they're going to suspend his license next month.

[Ambient]

Originally Posted by jrez

^All this talk above looks like it's literally taken straight from a youtube video I saw the other day
4. OUR SYSTEM OUR STRUCTURE OUR ILLUSION part 4 of 11 - YouTube - Skip to 4:35 if you want to listen to the actual information with the power points and all

I have never seen that video before.

Originally Posted by 36fuckin5

This sounds nice and all, but it isn't how it really works. I know a friend who tried something similar (and he has all the right paperwork on file at the courthouse to make himself soveirgn) and he still had to pay his tickets.

I don't know the details of yer friends thing. I did make the disclaimer that I have never tried this practically, and so I'm not making a guarantee. If you do it properly it can and has worked. However, now that many people are cracking onto how to do this, so are the judicial officials. Often times, a judge will make a decision even when he knows it is unlawful, against his code of practice and his oath. In such a case, some sort of penalty (enacted by the law society) for that judge would be justified.

They have their code which they vow to honour, much like a doctor. However, will that happen? Maybe, maybe not. Actually many judges have been unable/reluctant to produce their oath on request. Your right that you may not find an effective remedy, even if you do everything nicely... because some judges will break their code.