The Zimmerman thread!

[Dread_Lord]

Originally Posted by Tachosomoza

The only case being made for Zimmerman here is by those who have prejudice against the victim. They don't give a shit about justice, they like dead black kids and want to see more of them. Shame I share a country with these type of folk. They know damn well that Zimmerman escalated the whole thing and had no business fucking with Martin in the first place, they're not fooling anyone with their stupidity and sad racism. Essentially, black kids deserve to die, simply for being black, from Emmett Till to Latasha Harlins to Trayvon Martin. N.W.A had it right when they said My identity by itself causes violence

Nobody in this thread has made any argument that Zimmerman is innocent because Trayvon is black. We have, time and again, made logical and factual arguments while destroying our opponents nonsense claims that have no basis in reality.
Tachosomoza has not posted a single thing in this thread that was both relevant and factual at the same time.
He doesn't even really know jack shit about what happened. He's proven that a dozen times making claims that shit happened that never actually happened. He read like two sentences in some article somewhere then came here to argue that Trayvon was a victim. The only reason he's doing this, mind you, is because Tacho is black and he's an anti-white racist and believes that Zimmerman is white (though we proved him wrong on that as well).

It's pathetic.

[Oral B]

Originally Posted by Dread_Lord

Anyone with a mental age above 10 want to go read this thread and realize that only 3 or 4 idiots in here actually believe Zimmerman is guilty?
We've already held a trial, bitch, and your side lost.

The trial just began. Whatever though, can't expect irrational people like yourself to realize that they're acting like a douche.

[Dread_Lord]

Originally Posted by Oral B

The trial just began. Whatever though, can't expect irrational people like yourself to realize that they're acting like a douche.

We already held a trial. Idiot. Damn you guys are fucking dumb.

[IIIII]

Originally Posted by Dread_Lord

We already held a trial. Idiot. Damn you guys are fucking dumb.

Yea we know about how people like you conduct your own special trials, DL.

That is what your man Zimmerman did with Trayvon.

And punishment was by rope in prior times instead of guns.

[-SpectraL]

It's a clear-cut case of vigilante justice. If you allow this case to go green, so will a million other cases have to be treated as such. Zimmerman HAS to be convicted of AT LEAST manslaughter or every lawyer between here and Zimbabwe will be using the Zimmerman case as a precedent for the defense of their client in similar conditions. Zimmerman was directly told by the authorities not to carry out vigilante justice, he did so anyways of his own accord, and now he's going to have to pay the price for his apparent stupidity. Period.

[Tachosomoza]

Not to mention it's only vigilante "justice" if the person you're after is breaking a law in the first place.

[-SpectraL]

Originally Posted by Tachosomoza

Not to mention it's only vigilante "justice" if the person you're after is breaking a law in the first place.

But the only thing that matters in establishing motive is what is going on the mind of the perpetrator at the time of the offense. The reality of the motive is irrelevant in proving guilt. To convict on a second-degree murder charge you have to prove why the perpetrator killed. If it was in the mind of Zimmerman to commit vigilante justice, it matters not if he was actually doing so or not.

[Dread_Lord]

http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zimm...6#.T7rctFLhfEs


I can't believe how stupid these people are in this thread. Tacho, III, Spectral. It's perfectly clear to anyone who has actually read the case that none of these idiots have any fucking clue about what is going on.

Vigilante justice? Really? Are you fucking stupid? Trayvon illegally assaulted Zimmerman and tried to murder him by bashing his head into the ground.
You're an idiot. Never speak again.

Watch the video I just posted. Even their so called "experts" understand that the whole case rests on the defense claiming that Zimmerman started the fight because he followed Trayvon. This is impossible. The only way you can start a fight is by starting a fight. Only a fucking idiot would claim otherwise. Being followed does not give you permission to assault someone and attempt to murder them.
You fucking liberals are just dumb as stumps. You're the dumbest fucking people on the face of the planet.
Niggers in Africa eating rocks and dirt have more sense than you. Seriously, you're that fucking dumb.

[Tachosomoza]

Zimmerman must have a head made of titanium if he withstood a minute of bashing his head into the ground like he's claimed and having only a few driblets of blood. And there's also witnesses that counter what Zimmerman said, so it's all a bunch of he said she said.

Everyone agrees that Zimmerman acted in a manner that would have provoked fear in a reasonable person and would have initiated trouble, and that's being taken into consideration as well. Like they said in the article, if he had stayed in his vehicle, this whole mess would have been avoided. Martin would still be alive, and Zimmerman's life wouldn't be fucked up and he wouldn't have to live in the shadows like a Nazi war criminal.

Even if the state charges are dropped, the feds are still going to be hanging off of his ass with his history of racially profiling and harassing black kids, and he could be looking at federal hate crime charges.

[Dread_Lord]

Originally Posted by Tachosomoza

Zimmerman must have a head made of titanium if he withstood a minute of bashing his head into the ground like he's claimed.

Once again, Tacho brings you bullshit, I bring you truth.

[Tachosomoza]

I never said that he wasn't injured, I'm saying that his injuries aren't consistent with a man in fear for his life (head bashed against the ground for 60 seconds? Nigga please) that would warrant him using a firearm, especially in an incident that he provoked. If anything, Martin was in fear for his life, because Zimmerman was the one with the firearm and prowling around the neighborhood in an SUV. Zimmerman had the deadly force, so Trayvon had the right to stand his ground against a violent thug, not the other way around.

[Dread_Lord]

Originally Posted by Tachosomoza

I never said that he wasn't injured, I'm saying that his injuries aren't consistent with a man in fear for his life (head bashed against the ground for 60 seconds? Nigga please) that would warrant him using a firearm, especially in an incident that he provoked. If anything, Martin was in fear for his life, because Zimmerman was the one with the firearm and prowling around the neighborhood in an SUV. Zimmerman had the deadly force, so Trayvon had the right to stand his ground against a violent thug, not the other way around.

Tacho's argument destroyed in a handful of simple points.

1. Time distorts in a fight, we can't expect Zimmerman to know exactly how long something occured. He is not a stopwatch, nor did he have one.

2. You can kill someone by punching them in the back of the head. What Trayvon did to Zimmerman was a killing move and justified Zimmermans response.

3. Owning and carrying a gun is legal and, in fact, promoted by the constitution of this country.

4. Neighborhood watch is not prowling.

5. The person who is being ASSAULTED qualifies for a stand your ground defense. Not the person who does the assaulting.

[Tachosomoza]

He didn't need a stopwatch, he thought he had the power to fuck with someone's kid and got pissed when the guy whom he sought to harass called him on the fact that he had no authority whatsoever, so his ego got in the way and he committed manslaughter. If what Martin did was a killing move, then Zimmerman would be dead. Either way, it's a waste of time arguing with a guy who probably would have voted to acquit Emmett Till's killers and who has been made a fool out of several times in this thread by a myriad of people.

I bet Florida law is going to see some major revisions because of this.

[Dread_Lord]

Originally Posted by Tachosomoza

He didn't need one, he thought he had the power to fuck with someone's kid and got pissed when the guy whom he sought to harass called him on the fact that he had no authority whatsoever, so his ego got in the way and he committed manslaughter.

I bet Florida law is going to see some major revisions because of this.

I just can't get over how unbelievably stupid Tacho is. Nothing he said above is true. Not only is it not true but it's not even the official prosecutors version of events. He just imagines that this is what happened so he treats it as if it's the truth.
Dude is truly retarded. Not in the way that two friends call one another a retard but in the way that requires protective headgear and small buses.

[Dread_Lord]

Now Tachosomozas own sources are turning against him. Not that he actually reads entire articles anyways, but still.

Of course, I would never trust a kike, but this Alan Dershojew gets right to the fucking point and gains points in my book.

This is the huffington post.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/alan-d...b_1527972.html

A medical report by George Zimmerman's doctor has disclosed that Zimmerman had a fractured nose, two black eyes, two lacerations on the back of his head and a back injury on the day after the fatal shooting. Moreover, the New York Times has reported that traces of marijuana were found in Trayvon Martin's body and that Martin's father initially said that the voice crying for help was not that of his son. It is also been reported that a bruise was found on Martin's ring finger that would be consistent with Martin having punched Zimmerman. No other wounds, aside of course from the fatal bullet hole in the front of Martin's body, were found.

If this evidence turns out to be valid, the prosecutor will have no choice but to drop the second-degree murder charge against Zimmerman -- if she wants to act ethically, lawfully and professionally.

There is, of course, no assurance that the special prosecutor handling the case, State Attorney Angela Corey, will do the right thing. Because until now, her actions have been anything but ethical, lawful and professional.

She was aware when she submitted an affidavit that it did not contain the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. She deliberately withheld evidence that supported Zimmerman's claim of self-defense. The New York Times has reported that the police had "a full face picture" of Zimmerman, before paramedics treated him, that showed "a bloodied nose." The prosecutor also had photographic evidence of bruises to the back of his head.

But none of this was included in any affidavit.

Now there is much more extensive medical and forensic evidence that would tend to support Zimmerman's version of events. This version, if true, would establish self-defense even if Zimmerman had improperly followed, harassed and provoked Martin.

A defendant, under Florida law, loses his "stand your ground" defense if he provoked the encounter -- but he retains traditional self-defense if he reasonably believed his life was in danger and his only recourse was to employ deadly force.

Thus, if Zimmerman verbally provoked Martin, but Martin then got on top of Zimmerman and banged his head into the ground, broke his nose, bloodied his eyes and persisted in attacking Zimmerman -- and if Zimmerman couldn't protect himself from further attack except by shooting Martin -- he would have the right to do that. (The prosecution has already admitted that it has no evidence that Zimmerman started the actual fight.)

This is a fact-specific case, in which much turns on what the jury believes beyond a reasonable doubt. It must resolve all such doubts in favor of the defendant, because our system of justice insists that it is better for 10 guilty defendants to go free than for even one innocent to be wrongfully convicted.

You wouldn't know that from listening to Corey, who announced that her jobs was "to do justice for Trayvon Martin" -- not for George Zimmerman.

As many see it, her additional job is to prevent riots of the sort that followed the acquittal of the policemen who beat Rodney King.

Indeed, Mansfield Frazier, a columnist for the Daily Beast, has suggested that it is the responsibility of the legal system to "avert a large scale racial calamity." He has urged Zimmerman's defense lawyer to become a "savior" by brokering a deal to plead his client guilty to a crime that "has him back on the streets within this decade."

But it is not the role of a defense lawyer to save the world or the country. His job -- his only job -- is to get the best result for his client, by all legal and ethical means.

Listen to the way a famous British barrister put it in 1820:

An advocate, by the sacred duty which he owes his client, knows, in the discharge of that office, but one person in the world, that client and none other . . . Nay, separating even the duties of a patriot from those of an advocate, and casting them, if need be, to the wind, he must go on reckless of the consequences, if his fate it should unhappily be, to involve his country in confusion for his client's protection.

The prosecutor's job is far broader: to do justice to the defendant as well as the alleged victim. As the Supreme Court has said: "The government wins . . . when justice is done."

Zimmerman's lawyer is doing his job. It's about time for the prosecutor to start doing hers.

Speaking of doing their job, the New York Times' "reporting" on the case has been generally biased against Zimmerman. It has suggested that if the police had done their job properly the evidence would point to Zimmerman's guilt. Moreover, it included in its reporting an inflammatory item of uncorroborated gossip. This is what it said:

The reports may give rise to other mysteries as well, including the identity of a woman who called another investigator, less than two full days after the shooting.


The woman refused to identify herself or give any callback numbers, but told the investigator that Mr. Zimmerman "has racist ideologies and that he is fully capable of instigating a confrontation that could have escalated to the point of Zimmerman having to use deadly force.

I think the New York Times should ask itself whether it would have published the contents of a phone call from an unidentified person that made similar inflammatory charges against Trayvon Martin. I believe that the publication of such unsourced gossip -- which would be totally inadmissible in any trial -- violates the New York Times' own policies. It has some explaining to do.

[Tachosomoza]

It'll be pretty difficult for the defense to claim that he reasonably believed his life was in danger when he got out of his car, with a gun. Martin was in reasonable fear for his life because he was unarmed, Zimmerman was. A broken nose and a few cuts do not equate to being beaten to within an inch of your life.

[Dread_Lord]

Originally Posted by Tachosomoza

It'll be pretty difficult for the defense to claim that he reasonably believed his life was in danger when he got out of his car, with a gun.

For all you simple minded idiots like Tacho it's beyond question that Zimmerman didn't find his life to be in danger until after he was being assaulted.
Thanks to the stand your ground law there is absolutely no reason Zimmerman had to fear for his life when he "got out of his car".
He was within his rights to follow Trayvon, talk to trayvon, argue with trayvon.
He did not assault Trayvon. He broke no law. He did not make Trayvon commit the crime of assault and attempted murder.

Martin was in reasonable fear for his life because he was unarmed,

Trayvon was so in fear of his life that after Zimmerman stopped following him he returned to Zimmerman and assaulted him.

Zimmerman was.

Trayvon didn't know Zimmerman had a concealed weapon. That's why it's called a concealed weapon.

A broken nose and a few cuts do not equate to being beaten to within an inch of your life.

Here is what I propose. You come to California. I will begin smashing your head into the ground. If at any time you feel your life is in danger, you yell out.

[944]

Originally Posted by Tachosomoza

It'll be pretty difficult for the defense to claim that he reasonably believed his life was in danger when he got out of his car, with a gun. Martin was in reasonable fear for his life because he was unarmed, Zimmerman was. A broken nose and a few cuts do not equate to being beaten to within an inch of your life.

Did you just try to claim that because he was carrying a firearm he couldn't have been in fear for his life or of serious injury, and therefor wasn't warranted in using said firearm?

[Dread_Lord]

Originally Posted by 944

Did you just try to claim that because he was carrying a firearm he couldn't have been in fear for his life or of serious injury, and therefor wasn't warranted in using said firearm?

Everyone knows firearms make you invincible.

[Tachosomoza]

Originally Posted by 944

Did you just try to claim that because he was carrying a firearm he couldn't have been in fear for his life or of serious injury, and therefor wasn't warranted in using said firearm?

I could support Zimmerman if Trayvon had pulled him from his stopped vehicle and had proceeded to gutterstomp him until he was nearly unconscious, because that would scare the shit out of me and I would have shot him too. What I would have done is gone back to my car and drove off and let Martin walk back home, which is where he was going when he was shot. As a matter of fact, I wouldn't have fucked with or followed him in the first place, because I know that by doing so, I would provoke a reasonable person to defend themselves against a perceived threat. Would you let a stranger follow you around the neighborhood at night? Didn't think so. You don't harass people and expect them to do nothing, especially if you have no authority to do so.

[Dread_Lord]

Originally Posted by Tachosomoza

I could support Zimmerman if Trayvon had pulled him from his stopped vehicle and had proceeded to gutterstomp him until he was nearly unconscious, because that would scare the shit out of me and I would have shot him too. What I would have done is gone back to my car and drove off and let Martin walk back home, which is where he was going when he was shot. As a matter of fact, I wouldn't have fucked with or followed him in the first place, because I know that by doing so, I would provoke a reasonable person to defend themselves against a perceived threat. Would you let a stranger follow you around the neighborhood at night? Didn't think so. You don't harass people and expect them to do nothing, especially if you have no authority to do so.

Now here is a map of the events that proves Trayvon had to have returned to Zimmerman.
Trayvon had plenty of time to make it home after Zimmerman stopped following Trayvon. Several minutes, in fact, but he returned to Zimmerman and assaulted him.

http://www.wagist.com/2012/dan-lineh...n-doubled-back


At 2:08, Trayvon starts running. Six seconds later, we hear Zimmerman leave his truck to see where he went.

While Trayvon runs south towards Brandy Green’s townhouse, Zimmerman continues east, and remains on the line with the 911 dispatcher.

At a slow jogging pace, Trayvon is estimated to have arrived back at Brandy Green’s townhouse at around 2:40 on the 911 call.

Trayvon may have gone inside the townhouse, but it seems more likely that he remained outside to see if Zimmerman was still following him and just continued talking to his girlfriend over the next few minutes.

After a few minutes, Trayvon seems to have walked north, back up the sidewalk to confront Zimmerman about why he was followed.

Just fucking give it up already.

[Tachosomoza]

Originally Posted by Dread_Lord

Now here is a map of the events that proves Trayvon had to have returned to Zimmerman.
Trayvon had plenty of time to make it home after Zimmerman stopped following Trayvon. Several minutes, in fact, but he returned to Zimmerman and assaulted him.

http://www.wagist.com/2012/dan-lineh...n-doubled-back

At a slow jogging pace, Trayvon is estimated to have arrived back at Brandy Green’s townhouse at around 2:40 on the 911 call.

Trayvon may have gone inside the townhouse, but it seems more likely that he remained outside to see if Zimmerman was still following him and just continued talking to his girlfriend over the next few minutes.

After a few minutes, Trayvon seems to have walked north, back up the sidewalk to confront Zimmerman about why he was followed.

Just fucking give it up already.

No...that's a conservative blog that seems pretty biased against Martin. "Was Martin a Drug Dealer"? Come on, at least link me to a Stormfront thread to make me laugh.

[Dread_Lord]

Originally Posted by Tachosomoza

No...that's a conservative blog that seems pretty biased against Martin. "Was Martin a Drug Dealer"? Come on, at least link me to a Stormfront thread to make me laugh.

It seems to be mathematically correct, unless you can prove the timing and locations are off.

And yes, dipshit, Martin was a drug dealer. There is solid evidence of this from his facebook page wherein it's very clear he was selling weed and pills.

I mean, at this point, you've been thrashed. Your entire argument is fucking retarded, you're retarded, and anyone who takes your claims seriously is retarded. Go fuck yourself.

[Tachosomoza]

Originally Posted by Dread_Lord

It seems to be mathematically correct, unless you can prove the timing and locations are off.

And yes, dipshit, Martin was a drug dealer. There is solid evidence of this from his facebook page wherein it's very clear he was selling weed and pills.

I mean, at this point, you've been thrashed. Your entire argument is fucking retarded, you're retarded, and anyone who takes your claims seriously is retarded. Go fuck yourself.

It's funny how people who support this guy have to turn to gun owners' blogs with constructed evidence and Stormfront pictures. He had THC in his system, but that doesn't mean shit when it comes down to it. You'll be hard pressed to find a 17 year old kid who DOESN'T have THC in his system.

I may be retarded, but Zimmerman's a retard who's going to jail.

[DiStOrTiOn]

Originally Posted by Dread_Lord

Now Tachosomozas own sources are turning against him. Not that he actually reads entire articles anyways, but still.

Of course, I would never trust a kike, but this Alan Dershojew gets right to the fucking point and gains points in my book.

This is the huffington post.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/alan-d...b_1527972.html

A medical report by George Zimmerman's doctor has disclosed that Zimmerman had a fractured nose, two black eyes, two lacerations on the back of his head and a back injury on the day after the fatal shooting. Moreover, the New York Times has reported that traces of marijuana were found in Trayvon Martin's body and that Martin's father initially said that the voice crying for help was not that of his son. It is also been reported that a bruise was found on Martin's ring finger that would be consistent with Martin having punched Zimmerman. No other wounds, aside of course from the fatal bullet hole in the front of Martin's body, were found.

If this evidence turns out to be valid, the prosecutor will have no choice but to drop the second-degree murder charge against Zimmerman -- if she wants to act ethically, lawfully and professionally.

There is, of course, no assurance that the special prosecutor handling the case, State Attorney Angela Corey, will do the right thing. Because until now, her actions have been anything but ethical, lawful and professional.

She was aware when she submitted an affidavit that it did not contain the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. She deliberately withheld evidence that supported Zimmerman's claim of self-defense. The New York Times has reported that the police had "a full face picture" of Zimmerman, before paramedics treated him, that showed "a bloodied nose." The prosecutor also had photographic evidence of bruises to the back of his head.

But none of this was included in any affidavit.

Now there is much more extensive medical and forensic evidence that would tend to support Zimmerman's version of events. This version, if true, would establish self-defense even if Zimmerman had improperly followed, harassed and provoked Martin.

A defendant, under Florida law, loses his "stand your ground" defense if he provoked the encounter -- but he retains traditional self-defense if he reasonably believed his life was in danger and his only recourse was to employ deadly force.

Thus, if Zimmerman verbally provoked Martin, but Martin then got on top of Zimmerman and banged his head into the ground, broke his nose, bloodied his eyes and persisted in attacking Zimmerman -- and if Zimmerman couldn't protect himself from further attack except by shooting Martin -- he would have the right to do that. (The prosecution has already admitted that it has no evidence that Zimmerman started the actual fight.)

This is a fact-specific case, in which much turns on what the jury believes beyond a reasonable doubt. It must resolve all such doubts in favor of the defendant, because our system of justice insists that it is better for 10 guilty defendants to go free than for even one innocent to be wrongfully convicted.

You wouldn't know that from listening to Corey, who announced that her jobs was "to do justice for Trayvon Martin" -- not for George Zimmerman.

As many see it, her additional job is to prevent riots of the sort that followed the acquittal of the policemen who beat Rodney King.

Indeed, Mansfield Frazier, a columnist for the Daily Beast, has suggested that it is the responsibility of the legal system to "avert a large scale racial calamity." He has urged Zimmerman's defense lawyer to become a "savior" by brokering a deal to plead his client guilty to a crime that "has him back on the streets within this decade."

But it is not the role of a defense lawyer to save the world or the country. His job -- his only job -- is to get the best result for his client, by all legal and ethical means.

Listen to the way a famous British barrister put it in 1820:

An advocate, by the sacred duty which he owes his client, knows, in the discharge of that office, but one person in the world, that client and none other . . . Nay, separating even the duties of a patriot from those of an advocate, and casting them, if need be, to the wind, he must go on reckless of the consequences, if his fate it should unhappily be, to involve his country in confusion for his client's protection.

The prosecutor's job is far broader: to do justice to the defendant as well as the alleged victim. As the Supreme Court has said: "The government wins . . . when justice is done."

Zimmerman's lawyer is doing his job. It's about time for the prosecutor to start doing hers.

Speaking of doing their job, the New York Times' "reporting" on the case has been generally biased against Zimmerman. It has suggested that if the police had done their job properly the evidence would point to Zimmerman's guilt. Moreover, it included in its reporting an inflammatory item of uncorroborated gossip. This is what it said:

The reports may give rise to other mysteries as well, including the identity of a woman who called another investigator, less than two full days after the shooting.


The woman refused to identify herself or give any callback numbers, but told the investigator that Mr. Zimmerman "has racist ideologies and that he is fully capable of instigating a confrontation that could have escalated to the point of Zimmerman having to use deadly force.

I think the New York Times should ask itself whether it would have published the contents of a phone call from an unidentified person that made similar inflammatory charges against Trayvon Martin. I believe that the publication of such unsourced gossip -- which would be totally inadmissible in any trial -- violates the New York Times' own policies. It has some explaining to do.

The law is clear. The evidence is clear. This case should be motherfucking closed already. Niggers and the criminals' buttkissers need to stop whining and get the fuck over it.

[Nightshade]

Originally Posted by IIIII

Yea it is irrelevant since it was very little. It shows that if Trayvon had smoked it had been days since. But a trace amount of THC does not mean he was a user. And he was certainly not stoned the night Zimmerman shot him.

The toxicology reports may tell another story.

Toxicology tests found elements of the drug in the teenager's chest blood -- 1.5 nanograms per milliliter of one type (THC), as well as 7.3 nanograms of another type (THC-COOH) -- according to the medical examiner's report

Source: http://articles.cnn.com/2012-05-17/j...?_s=PM:JUSTICE

The THC found in his blood was 1ng/ml of one kind and 7.5ng/ml of the THC consistent with pot. This is well within the limits of use within 3 hours provided that the THC levels didn't spike due to redistribution when Martin died. So it could be plausible that he was stoned that night. Still I don't think it's really relevant to the case at hand unless they can establish a pattern of Martin's weed use causing him to be paranoid. Also you have to consider that he was suspended for having drug residue in his backpack. I would suspect that Martin was a recreational user or started to use not that long ago, otherwise he would of have had more serious drug infractions. If the defense can make that connection they can put a serious dent in Martin's character.

[DiStOrTiOn]

Originally Posted by Tachosomoza

It's funny how people who support this guy have to turn to gun owners' blogs with constructed evidence and Stormfront pictures. He had THC in his system, but that doesn't mean shit when it comes down to it. You'll be hard pressed to find a 17 year old kid who DOESN'T have THC in his system.

I may be retarded, but Zimmerman's a retard who's going to jail.

What evidence was constructed?


So far the only proven fabricated evidence has been coming from the jew media trying to burn Zimmerman at the stake

[Tachosomoza]

Originally Posted by Nightshade

The toxicology reports may tell another story.

Source: http://articles.cnn.com/2012-05-17/j...?_s=PM:JUSTICE

The THC found in his blood was 1ng/ml of one kind and 7.5ng/ml of the THC consistent with pot. This is well within the limits of use within 3 hours provided that the THC levels didn't spike due to redistribution when Martin died. So it could be plausible that he was stoned that night. Still I don't think it's really relevant to the case at hand unless they can establish a pattern of Martin's weed use causing him to be paranoid. Also you have to consider that he was suspended for having drug residue in his backpack. I would suspect that Martin was a recreational user or started to use not that long ago, otherwise he would of have had more serious drug infractions. If the defense can make that connection they can put a serious dent in Martin's character.

And justify his death, right? Let's round up all of BLTC and execute them!

[Dread_Lord]

Originally Posted by Tachosomoza

And justify his death, right? Let's round up all of BLTC and execute them!

He wasn't executed. He was shot after he went out of his way to assault a neighborhood watchman.

[Auschwitz Nazi Disneyland]

Originally Posted by DiStOrTiOn

The law is clear. The evidence is clear. This case should be motherfucking closed already. Niggers and the criminals' buttkissers need to stop whining and get the fuck over it.

Whining is the only reason this ever made it to trial. Regardless of your (retarded) beliefs, there was never enough evidence to press charges with any likelihood of a conviction. It was only done to appease the hordes of idiots too emotional and stupid to see that.

[Tachosomoza]

Originally Posted by Auschwitz Nazi Disneyland

Whining is the only reason this ever made it to trial. Regardless of your (retarded) beliefs, there was never enough evidence to press charges with any likelihood of a conviction. It was only done to appease the hordes of idiots too emotional and stupid to see that.

Yeah, what you call whining is the only reason a lot more cases of police/citizen brutality aren't swept under the rug and forgotten about. If this hadn't hit the media, that podunk police department, the same one where a lieutenant's son beat a homeless man almost to death, would have swept this under the rug. The South had a nasty record for making black people disappear...fishermen pick up bones out there all the time.

Sometimes you have to stir shit up and raise hell to make the justice system work for certain people. If people hadn't "whined", there'd still be lynchings. What initially pissed people off was the obvious miscarriage of justice and double standard. No American would honestly say that a black Zimmerman would be allowed to walk free if he was standing over the body of a nice white kid named Todd Martin. People know it, and that's why people are mad. You want to claim to stand for justice, act like it and don't devalue/profile certain citizens based on their skin color. Arrest Zimmerman like you would arrest Martin if the tables were turned, and it's all good. Don't, and you've got a problem. This isn't the 1950s where you can just profile black kids and gun them down and then claim that you were afraid for your life, that's like Martin getting lynched in 1952 and the lynch mob claiming that he raped a woman. This is an emotional case because this isn't the first time a black kid has been killed and the killer allowed to walk free because he concocted a story claiming he was afraid for his life, or some other bullshit trying to justify taking another life. Stand Your Ground is essentially carte blanche for people who are trigger happy and like killing people, hopefully we get tougher gun laws and Florida law is revised because of this. You let any nutcase bigot run around with a gun, you should expect for shit like this to happen.

People aren't stupid, you aren't about to sit and lie to people and say that you, a guy with training as a security guard and a firearm, was genuinely afraid for your life because you were following a kid through a dark neighborhood at night and got mad when he responded because you placed him in fear for his life, and he was hurting you so badly, he broke your sweet little nose and gave you some gashes on your head, that you genuinely thought you were going to die, when you could have avoided the reasonable response of a kid defending himself against a stranger. It's egregious bullshit.

[Dread_Lord]

Originally Posted by Tachosomoza

Yeah, what you call whining is the only reason a lot more cases of police/citizen brutality aren't swept under the rug and forgotten about. If this hadn't hit the media, that podunk police department, the same one where a lieutenant's son beat a homeless man almost to death, would have swept this under the rug. The South had a nasty record for making black people disappear...fishermen pick up bones out there all the time.

Sometimes you have to stir shit up and raise hell to make the justice system work for certain people. If people hadn't "whined", there'd still be lynchings. What initially pissed people off was the obvious miscarriage of justice and double standard. No American would honestly say that a black Zimmerman would be allowed to walk free if he was standing over the body of a nice white kid named Todd Martin. People know it, and that's why people are mad. You want to claim to stand for justice, act like it and don't devalue/profile certain citizens based on their skin color. Arrest Zimmerman like you would arrest Martin if the tables were turned, and it's all good. Don't, and you've got a problem. This isn't the 1950s where you can just profile black kids and gun them down and then claim that you were afraid for your life, that's like Martin getting lynched in 1952 and the lynch mob claiming that he raped a woman. This is an emotional case because this isn't the first time a black kid has been killed and the killer allowed to walk free because he concocted a story claiming he was afraid for his life, or some other bullshit trying to justify taking another life. Stand Your Ground is essentially carte blanche for people who are trigger happy and like killing people, hopefully we get tougher gun laws and Florida law is revised because of this. You let any nutcase bigot run around with a gun, you should expect for shit like this to happen.

See. Told you. This motherfucker is dumb as fuck.

[Nightshade]

Originally Posted by Tachosomoza

And justify his death, right?

The defense wouldn't use Martin's drug use as a justification for his death because it wasn't the reason why Zimmerman shot him. The defense could claim that since it was possible Martin was high at the time, that his judgment and decision capacity was impaired. The defense could also attack Martin's character due to his troubled history with drugs and making a connection of that with the toxicology report. But in all honestly I think for the defense the toxicology report is low on their priority list, given all the other evidence they have to work with. It may get a mention in the trial though.

Originally Posted by Tachosomoza

Let's round up all of BLTC and execute them!

You go have fun with that.

[Tachosomoza]

http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/20...-shooting?lite

Witness 2: A young woman from the Retreat at Twin Lakes community, where Martin, 17, was shot Feb. 26, first told investigators she saw two men running and a fist fight. She later said she only saw one person running and couldn’t distinguish much because she had removed her contact lenses.

Witness 12: A young mother in the townhome community first said she saw two men on the ground but wasn’t sure who was on top; she later said Zimmerman was on top because she recognized his size based on news reports.

Witness 13: A male neighbor first said Zimmerman, with a bloodied head, told him he had to shoot Martin because “he was beating up on me,” and to please call Zimmerman’s wife. He later went into detail and described Zimmerman’s tone right after the shooting as casual, like the shooting was “nothing.”

Witness 6: A male neighbor, whose story change was initially reported Friday, first told police Martin was on top of Zimmerman and throwing down punches mixed martial arts style. He also first said Zimmerman was calling for help. The man later said he wasn’t sure who was yelling for help, and that Martin may have merely pinned Zimmerman to the ground. He was still sure, however, that Martin was on top.

Witnesses are changing their stories now.

[DirtySanchez]

Originally Posted by Dread_Lord

Tacho's argument destroyed in a handful of simple points.

1. Time distorts in a fight, we can't expect Zimmerman to know exactly how long something occured. He is not a stopwatch, nor did he have one.

2. You can kill someone by punching them in the back of the head. What Trayvon did to Zimmerman was a killing move and justified Zimmermans response.

3. Owning and carrying a gun is legal and, in fact, promoted by the constitution of this country.

4. Neighborhood watch is not prowling.

5. The person who is being ASSAULTED qualifies for a stand your ground defense. Not the person who does the assaulting.

This. There is a reason that hitting someone in the back of the head is illegal in virtually every combat sport. Even the most brutal ones. I had a family member once get bleeding in the brain simply from falling down and hitting the back of their head on pavement. So yes if some dude is smashing your head against the ground you have reason to fear for your life.

Aside from that as I've pointed out to these idiot libtards Zimmerman had every right to ask what Martin was doing there. I've had neighborhood watch ask me the exact same thing. I answered the question and moved on. Instead Trayvon felt the need to immediately chimp out and assault Zimmerman. Fact is when you go and attack someone you should be prepared for the possible consequences. This whole thing isn't even about race. It's about self defense but of course the left makes it all about race.

[Psych]

Originally Posted by Tachosomoza

http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/20...-shooting?lite


Witnesses are changing their stories now.

Because at first they were just telling the truth but now they don't want to seem racist by being associated in helping Zimmerman's case in any way shape or form.

[Tachosomoza]

Originally Posted by Nightshade

The defense wouldn't use Martin's drug use as a justification for his death because it wasn't the reason why Zimmerman shot him. The defense could claim that since it was possible Martin was high at the time, that his judgment and decision capacity was impaired. The defense could also attack Martin's character due to his troubled history with drugs and making a connection of that with the toxicology report.

It goes both ways. Zimmerman is not exactly of the highest moral caliber himself, he's got a violent history, plus he was on prescription drugs as well. Weed doesn't necessarily make people violent either.

[Tachosomoza]

Originally Posted by Psych

Because at first they were just telling the truth but now they don't want to seem racist by being associated in helping Zimmerman's case in any way shape or form.

Who says they were telling the truth? They're anonymous witnesses, they dont have reason to lie to not appear "racist".

[Psych]

Originally Posted by Tachosomoza

Who says they were telling the truth? They're anonymous witnesses, they dont have reason to lie to not appear "racist".

No one knows if they were telling the truth but they had no reason to lie at first. They are not anonymous. They are anonymous to the general public but the people in their lives know them and what they say. And it doesn't make their lives any easier to purport that zimmerman was being attacked, so they change their story now and say they don't know what they saw.

[Tachosomoza]

And...the people in their lives all support convicting Zimmerman, right? If they lived next door to this guy and he was in a "respected" position I'd say they would have reason to come out for him initially.