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Old 05-29-2012, 07:41 PM
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Question Removing oneself (as much as possible) from society..?

I've grown disenchanted with the constant pressure and zeal of the way things are run by..."others". Government enforcers, interlopers, etc. I'd like to withdraw myself as much as possible from the current state of society. At least in the way that I won't be colluded with or against. To live as indepently as one can in the current state. I've been speaking with a few friends and my brother about this for quite some time, but never actually gotten around to taking action. A recent occurence has proverbially pushed me over the limit, I suppose.

What steps of action should be taken to start the process?

I want to live semi-comfortably, but am aware that many jobs require you to be "in". Even after passing background checks, drug tests, etc. it doesn't seem (I don't know firsthand, hence my inquiries) to be easy to do such things. For example, even getting paid on payday usually requires some form of deposit, your name, SS#, address, personal information that one may not wish giving out. The idea of going around picking up aluminum doesn't seem that appealing, but I also am aware that is probably the extreme, and that many other ways exist. I don't really know any marketable trades as of yet, but would be happy to learn. I am thinking of making things and selling them. Perhaps learning to knit or crochet would be a valuable skill, so that I could make (hopefully elaborate and good looking) blankets, quilts, and sell them. What other viable options exist? Learning to fix things or weld or plumb? Perhaps gardening and growing things. I suppose it's pretty subjective as to what works and what does not, and things such as chance, luck, location all play a part. Not to use luck as a cop out. I'm well aware that many things are dependent upon skill and amount of effort put in, i.e. the harder you try, the more likely you are to succeed. You reap what you sow. What ventures have you found success, as well as failure, in? Do you think a job such as McDonald's or the like would be a hindrance to off-grid living? Maybe I'll try getting a job at a Mom & Pop type place, serving food or washing dishes or something. Something that's low-key.

What about footprints? Cyber and otherwise. How would I limit my imprint? I think that deleting as much of my online things (email, social networking, instant messaging) would be an obvious start, or at least creating dummy accounts to be used when needed. As for in person, I think it would be beneficial to close banking accounts, refuse to sign and date things (or use fake names when no legal reprecussions exist), paying for things only in cash. Do you believe that actively removing these footprints (cyber and otherwise) is a necessity, or should enough time pass will they fade and become mostly indistinuishable? I have heard in some instances, even after deleting accounts, removing names, etc. that the information remains in archives and databases, which in that case, I would just save myself some time, and give out no further information, and hope the previous information becomes irrelevant over time.

What about providing yourself with your own energy? What is the most sensible and logical way of doing so? Solar panels? That's really all I can come up with, but I know very, very little (obviously, heh) about any means of providing own energy. Would there be an idiot's guide or DIY book of some sort about doing this? Suggested comprehensive readings, videos, tips, forums, etc?

What about things such as dealing with anxiety and depression? I really struggle with social anxiety (even online, posting this for example is semi-difficult, as I fear I will be mocked, judged, belittled) and it makes talking and asking and just "being" very harrowing. I take prescription medication for it, but would ideally like to stop, and use herbal remedies and such. How would one go about dealing with this? Withdrawals, dependence, all those great things scare me, but also am aware they are a necessary part in removing the drug from my system and clearing my clouded mind. I'm very forgetful and actually have developed retrograde amnesia from one of my prescription drugs. I would hope that removing the drug would clear up my mind, and coupled with work, exercise, and general progress would better allow me to deal and cope healthfully with the issues I struggle with. I would like to note, that often times I withdraw from social circles due to my anxiety and depression, thus alienating me, making it very hard to ever return. They would believe me to be uncaring and write me off, despite me continually thinking of returning, despite how badly I wish to return, how often the people, events, etc do cross and are on my mind. An example would be me stopping posting here. This would not be me showing disinterest in off-grid living, the forums, the people, etc. but me feeling that I cannot bring myself to post, or do not deserve to post, derive fun and enjoyment from the community, etc.

If I were to ever need an internet connection, I would likely go to a local library, or go to a McDonald's and use the wifi. However, would I (again, I don't know how most of these things work) be continually leaving my information around? Would I be tracked via IP address or such things?

I know I am likely forgetting many things, but hopefully will remember in time, and post them.

Thank you very much for your time and consideration.
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I lived in a forest for a little while while on a spiritual journey before my coronation.
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I lived in a forest for a little while while on a spiritual journey before my coronation.
Shamanic purposes don't count, since they are temporary retreats.
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i lived in a house once.
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what are you trying to hide from

do you just not want to work 40 hour weeks?

i dont know what you are getting at mister
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holy shit OP sounds like me, except he is much more eloquent.

anyway, have you read "Evasion" by Mac Evasion? I think in that book he had some good info on how to live reasonably comfortably without working 40 hours a week.

that or you can become a criminal and rob rich people, like waiting outside of ATMs and things like that....dunno?

also, how are you gonna find a woman living this way?
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you all are fuckin weak
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holy shit OP sounds like me, except he is much more eloquent.

anyway, have you read "Evasion" by Mac Evasion? I think in that book he had some good info on how to live reasonably comfortably without working 40 hours a week.

that or you can become a criminal and rob rich people, like waiting outside of ATMs and things like that....dunno?

also, how are you gonna find a woman living this way?
No, but I'll certainly look into it. Thanks for the suggestion.

The only books I had on these topics were e-books I had on my old external HD and I've since cleared it. I'll check out some torrent sites and see if I can find an e-book.

This one particularly interested me, so I remember downloading it as soon as I saw it. I'll probably just cave and get it from amazon.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/How_to...Never_Be_Found

I've already had my fair share of females, and that's a small part as to why I've become so disenchanted. Bitches and whores, etc.
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what are you trying to hide from

do you just not want to work 40 hour weeks?

i dont know what you are getting at mister
As said, I'm trying to live self-sufficiently, not having to rely on the government, their bullying and enforcing, and interloping in my affairs and life. I'm not a criminal, but I feel like I'm often treated as one. I just want to live my life on my terms, and not have to continually be controlled by whatever new imposing law comes out by whatever puppets are in office.

I would not at all mind working 40 hours a week, and I have done so in the past before I again, grew frustrated at the state of things in my life. Not to mention the place I was working was pretty much the worst place anyone could ever work.

But working a full-time job involves being monitored and followed, I would think, even if not done so intentionally.

ALSO: FYI to everyone, I'm not necessarily talking about going and living in a forest or in some obscure house way off in the country. I didn't mean it like that at all. I'm not seeking a physical location of any sort. It's possible to live off the grid in urban areas, but I would be much more harassed by the local electric company, police (would try setting me up with some crime, dirty pigs ), etc.

My friend has informed me when he told the electric company he no longer wanted or needed their services, they did actually get violent.
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OP, I'd suggest finding like minded people and starting an off the grid commune or something. That's been my idea for a while, but it's hard to get off the ground. Good luck anyway.
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Would a moderator be able to move this thread to the Conspiracy board? In retrospect, I don't know why I didn't post this there.

http://www.zoklet.net/bbs/forumdisplay.php?f=47
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