Who is God more likely to forgive

[AMFYOYO]

Please explain them to me. All 5 of them. I am stupid. Oh, you can't? That is what I thought.

[Spacecase]

Originally Posted by Daily

A person who lives their life in a "moral" manner (what the Bible sees as morally good) but rejects the belief of God.

or

A person who lives their life in sin and believes in God.

God is only able to forgive somebody once they forgive themselves.

[benny vader]

Originally Posted by Spacecase

God is only able to forgive somebody once they forgive themselves.

You obviously cant fucking read for fucks sake, this isnt not what the bible says and its been verie clear on this.

re-fuckin-read. beach.

[ReigN]

God doesn't exist

prophets are all frauds

No one cares

[DirtySanchez]

Originally Posted by ReigN

God doesn't exist

prophets are all frauds

No one cares

Take a look at world history and you'll see how bullshit that statement is.

[AMFYOYO]

Originally Posted by Spacecase

God is only able to forgive somebody once they forgive themselves.

That was not a duck or a dive. You and your big mouth painted your ass into a corner and then sat there and ignored the entire affair as you tracked paint all over your house. But since you have failed to explain how even one prophecy in the book of revelations has ever come true I will announce the official retraction of your statement that "every single prophecy in the book of Revelations up until this exact point in our history has come true.". Thanks for playing though...

[TheSexyBeast821]

Hell is the ultimate separation from God.

The atheist doesn't believe that such a separation exists, because they don't believe God exists, so they will be in Hell.

The believing sinner understands that their sin has separated them from God, and that that separation can be repaired through repentance/forgiveness until they reach atonement and end up in Heaven.

This applies to life, not just the after-life.

[crazzyass]

Originally Posted by TheSexyBeast821

Hell is the ultimate separation from God.

The atheist doesn't believe that such a separation exists, because they don't believe God exists, so they will be in Hell.

The believing sinner understands that their sin has separated them from God, and that that separation can be repaired through repentance/forgiveness until they reach atonement and end up in Heaven.

This applies to life, not just the after-life.

And Christians need purpose in life spoonfed to them from fairy tales because they're too weak to seek it out themselves.

[Pee Vee Proots, M.D.]

Originally Posted by crazzyass

And Christians need purpose in life spoonfed to them from fairy tales because they're too weak to seek it out themselves.

Are you a theoretical physicist? A chemist? A biologist? Do you have a Ph.D?

If not then you aren't seeking anything out either - you're just letting scientists spoonfeed you the answers because you're too weak or stupid to find them yourself.

[crazzyass]

Originally Posted by Pee Vee Proots, M.D.

Are you a theoretical physicist? A chemist? A biologist?

Yes.

Do you have a Ph.D?

Not yet.

If not then you aren't seeking anything out either - you're just letting scientists spoonfeed you the answers because you're too weak or stupid to find them yourself.

Ignoring the fact that I am actually seeking answers, I am also not condemning the majority of the world's population to an eternity of suffering and torture simply for believing in a different fairy tale than I do.

Not caring to seek out answers is one thing. Pulling the answers out of your ass and telling everyone else they deserve to die for not believing you is another thing entirely.

Last but certainly not least, I criticized his inability to find meaning in life without fairy tales, not answers. Though for some, those two overlap.

[Pee Vee Proots, M.D.]

Originally Posted by crazzyass

Yes.

All you needed to say. Not that I need to state the obvious, but 90% of the people who condemn theists for "blindly following what they're told" for whatever reason (meaning, answers, brainwashing, whatever) aren't much better.

[TheSexyBeast821]

Originally Posted by crazzyass

And Christians need purpose in life spoonfed to them from fairy tales because they're too weak to seek it out themselves.

Or maybe, as a former atheist, I sought out the truth relentlessly until I found it. Guess what? The Truth is God.

[testerman]

Originally Posted by Rolf

God will forgive both, but this does not mean that God will not punish both, proclaims Rolf.

hahahaha, thanks. thanks for the laugh.

[crazzyass]

Originally Posted by Pee Vee Proots, M.D.

All you needed to say. Not that I need to state the obvious, but 90% of the people who condemn theists for "blindly following what they're told" for whatever reason (meaning, answers, brainwashing, whatever) aren't much better.

I agree. Fortunately, matters of theism require little scientific knowledge. Just the same scientific method you learned in fourth grade.

There are no observations to be made of God. It's that simple.

Originally Posted by TheSexyBeast821

Or maybe, as a former atheist, I sought out the truth relentlessly until I found it. Guess what? The Truth is God.

Why?
Because the Bible says so.
Why is that right?
The Bible is always right.
Why?
Because God said so.
How do you know?
Because the Bible says he said so...etc etc etc until the universe ends. Your reasoning is circular, there is nothing more to be said.

[TheSexyBeast821]

Originally Posted by crazzyass

I agree. Fortunately, matters of theism require little scientific knowledge. Just the same scientific method you learned in fourth grade.

There are no observations to be made of God. It's that simple.



Why?
Because the Bible says so.
Why is that right?
The Bible is always right.
Why?
Because God said so.
How do you know?
Because the Bible says he said so...etc etc etc until the universe ends. Your reasoning is circular, there is nothing more to be said.

Or maybe I've had personal revelations and experiences that served as initial evidence for God, and as my faith grew so did my euphoria. Sorry but your hollowness (whether you acknowledge it or not) is testament to the failure of atheism.

[crazzyass]

Originally Posted by TheSexyBeast821

Or maybe I've had personal revelations and experiences that served as initial evidence for God, and as my faith grew so did my euphoria. Sorry but your hollowness (whether you acknowledge it or not) is testament to the failure of atheism.

And your self-righteousness is testament to the failure of religion. Self-righteousness is that one component of religion that makes it go so awry.

Sure, I killed ten thousand people. But they were infidels. And my God told me to do it. As long as the voices tell me it's okay, I can't go wrong.

Your "personal revelations" don't match up to reality. When that happens, we call it a "delusion".

And hollowness is in the eye of the beholder. Wishing religion was true because you don't like reality without it does NOT make it true. "Atheists are hollow and I don't like that. Therefore, God exists."

[TheSexyBeast821]

Originally Posted by crazzyass

And your self-righteousness is testament to the failure of religion. Self-righteousness is that one component of religion that makes it go so awry.

Sure, I killed ten thousand people. But they were infidels. And my God told me to do it. As long as the voices tell me it's okay, I can't go wrong.

Your "personal revelations" don't match up to reality. When that happens, we call it a "delusion".

Your Godless reality doesn't match up with the true reality, so by your own accord you are delusional. You are wrong for all the right reasons, but wrong none-the-less.

[Pee Vee Proots, M.D.]

Originally Posted by TheSexyBeast821

You are wrong for all the right reasons, but wrong none-the-less.

Prove it.

[-SpectraL]

God also said killing is wrong and a sin, just as he did when Cain killed his brother Abel. In fact, it is one of the 10 commandments given directly to Moses by God. And yet we have a bunch of clueless, uneducated, unGodly people running around saying they know better just so they can feel justified about satisfying their own personal and wicked acts/agenda. Don't worry, though... when the time comes, and regardless of their personal interpretations of God's laws, they will be told, "Get away from me you workers of lawlessness. I never knew you."

[TheSexyBeast821]

Originally Posted by Pee Vee Proots, M.D.

Prove it.

I'm not your personal scientist/psychologist/theologian.

Prove it to yourself.

[testerman]

Originally Posted by -SpectraL

God also said killing is wrong and a sin, just as he did when Cain killed his brother Abel. In fact, it is one of the 10 commandments given directly to Moses by God. And yet we have a bunch of clueless, uneducated, unGodly people running around saying they know better just so they can feel justified about satisfying their own personal and wicked acts/agenda. Don't worry, though... when the time comes, and regardless of their personal interpretations of God's laws, they will be told, "Get away from me you workers of lawlessness. I never knew you."

What about killing dogs, niggers, or jews? What does god think of that?

[-SpectraL]

"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? How can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye.

"Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? Likewise every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them. Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Get away from me, you evildoers!' Therefore everyone who hears these words of mine and puts them into practice is like a wise man who built his house on the rock. The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house; yet it did not fall, because it had its foundation on the rock. But everyone who hears these words of mine and does not put them into practice is like a foolish man who built his house on sand. The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house, and it fell with a great crash."

~ Jesus of Nazareth

[reject]

All the best people go to Hell anyway, if it exists. I'd rather be there than Heaven.

[reject]

Religion would be all right if there weren't preaching fuckers like TSB. That's what makes religion suck and why I would never follow any Christian sect or any religion really. Maybe Buddhism, that seems all right.

[crazzyass]

Originally Posted by TheSexyBeast821

Your Godless reality doesn't match up with the true reality, so by your own accord you are delusional. You are wrong for all the right reasons, but wrong none-the-less.

Originally Posted by TheSexyBeast821

I'm not your personal scientist/psychologist/theologian.

Prove it to yourself.

This is always your gig. "I have unquestionable evidence of God, but I won't share it. Just take my word for it!"

[TheSexyBeast821]

Originally Posted by reject

All the best people go to Hell anyway, if it exists. I'd rather be there than Heaven.

Originally Posted by reject

Religion would be all right if there weren't preaching fuckers like TSB. That's what makes religion suck and why I would never follow any Christian sect or any religion really. Maybe Buddhism, that seems all right.

Without my dissenting knowledge of reality, the majority of R&S threads would just become atheist circle-jerks.

[TheSexyBeast821]

Originally Posted by crazzyass

This is always your gig. "I have unquestionable evidence of God, but I won't share it. Just take my word for it!"

Don't just take my word for it, seek God for yourself instead of writing Him off as a fairy tale.

[-SpectraL]

The irrefutable existence of God is all around us, from the most common sparrow right on through to the clock-like precision of the wondrous bodies observed in our cosmos. The close-knit workings of our environment, the animal and plant life, the harmony of nature, stand as a true witness to God's existence. Creation itself denies the evil in the world their self-manufactured illusions as worthless.

[-SpectraL]

Originally Posted by Vizier

Spectral, do you believe in intelligent creation, and that a higher intelligence created us and this universe?

If it did, it must be sadistic as fuck considering 99.9999999999999999999999999999% of the universe is hostile to us.

Just a little closer to the Sun and we'd fry, a little farther away and we'd freeze. That doesn't sound like a hostile arrangement to me. In fact, it sounds pretty considerate. Imagine if you didn't have a nose, eyes or ears, but you do, don't you!? There are a million facts which go to prove God is considerate when it comes to our existence.

[crazzyass]

Originally Posted by TheSexyBeast821

Don't just take my word for it, seek God for yourself instead of writing Him off as a fairy tale.

I'm open to any and all evidence. I think you know this by now.

Originally Posted by -SpectraL

Just a little closer to the Sun and we'd fry, a little farther away and we'd freeze. That doesn't sound like a hostile arrangement to me. In fact, it sounds pretty considerate. Imagine if you didn't have a nose, eyes or ears, but you do, don't you!? There are a million facts which go to prove God is considerate when it comes to our existence.

Hrm, actually the habitable zone for planets is pretty wide. Still narrow cosmically speaking, but the Earth varies greatly throughout the year already.

Also, of course our planet has conditions for life, else we wouldn't be alive. The circumstances can be 1 in a trillion, but since whenever it finally happens there would be life. And here we are. Not to mention, scientists have found thousands of extrasolar planets, many of them similar to Earth. Considering the size of the Universe, life is probably not so rare after all.

[-SpectraL]

No evidence of life has ever been seen or found on any other planets in our solar system but this one, and we've closely examined many with highly sophisticated equipment.

[TheSexyBeast821]

Originally Posted by crazzyass

I'm open to any and all evidence. I think you know this by now.

Try to attain a state of higher consciousness.

[crazzyass]

Originally Posted by TheSexyBeast821

Try to attain a state of higher consciousness.

Be careful. Don't want to get thrown in hell for listening to that false prophet Buddha. Or do you actually not have an ideology and just throw out whatever spiritual mumbo-jumbo helps your case? Buddhism is atheistic.

[AMFYOYO]

Maybe it is just your limited understanding of Buddhism that is atheistic.

[TheSexyBeast821]

Originally Posted by crazzyass

Be careful. Don't want to get thrown in hell for listening to that false prophet Buddha. Or do you actually not have an ideology and just throw out whatever spiritual mumbo-jumbo helps your case? Buddhism is atheistic.

Buddhism is not atheistic.

[crazzyass]

Originally Posted by AMFYOYO

Maybe it is just your limited understanding of Buddhism that is atheistic.

Originally Posted by TheSexyBeast821

Buddhism is not atheistic.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_in_Buddhism

I'll just leave this here then...

[TheSexyBeast821]

Originally Posted by crazzyass

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_in_Buddhism

I'll just leave this here then...

Reach Nirvana and then tell me that Buddhism is atheistic.

[crazzyass]

Originally Posted by TheSexyBeast821

Reach Nirvana and then tell me that Buddhism is atheistic.

I'd rather just ask Buddha.

And I take it you've reached Nirvana? Is that when you met Jesus? Who then introduced you to Mohammed?

[ArmsMerchant]

Originally Posted by Pee Vee Proots, M.D.

Prove it.

Truth can be neither proven nor disproven; it just is.

My goodness, any thoughtful person could quickly and easily come up with a list of true facts which could neither be proven nor disproven, starting with what one had for breakfast.

[TheSexyBeast821]

Originally Posted by crazzyass

I'd rather just ask Buddha.

And I take it you've reached Nirvana? Is that when you met Jesus? Who then introduced you to Mohammed?

I'm pretty sure having life in Christ qualifies as reaching Nirvana, so yes, you could say I'm a Buddha, a Buddha who is telling you that God is real.