Sub Machine Guns of WW2

[The Pat-Man]

The first major war with mass successful deployment of sub machine guns also happens to have the most iconic of all time. Whose was coolest/most effective/cheapest to produce?


M1928A1 Thompson



Used by the allies, including America, the GB Commonwealth, and uncommonly and early in the war, the USSR. Expensive and heavy as all fuck but that .45 ACP would put a man down. Easily recognized by any retard in America today. Relatively difficult to maintain and/or repair, but once again its arguably the most powerful gun here, if you want to shoot a man dead fast. By 1943 or so it became cheap as shit to make so one drawback was gone by the time america hit northern europe. And look, it has a dedicated place to put your hand!

Maschinenpistole 40



Easily controlled death. The open bolt and the low rate of fire makes this bitch useable in the hands of retards. Maybe three moving parts and stamped easily out of steel, this is the ford to the thompsons lamborghini. Unfortunately it had single stacked magazines, which caused some feed problems.

Пистолет-пулемёт Шпагина 41



When the germans throw their shit down and pick yours up due to its superior engineering, you know you got some shit right. Taking about 7 hours to make and coming in at about 6 million created, it is not as fancy as it looks. At 900 rpm, it had a much higher rate of fire than its competitors, and those bullets came at you 71 at a time. Yes, the original gun had the glorious71 round drum magazine. The drawbacks were crazy bad muzzle flash, and I'm sure a few others mainly due to the dim ukrainian potato farmer wielding it.

STEN



Kinda cute but about as reliable as Sidney Crosby's head. Made by a billion contractors and often sub contractors, it was the cheapest in this list to make.

Type 100



Expensive like the tommy, reliable like the STEN. No wonder they lost the war.


Opinions? the ppsh is my favorite, just badass and fits the psyche of the Soviet general strategy just right.

[DJ Meaty Cheeks]

Your forgot a few. There's lots more obscure ones too.

[The Pat-Man]

yea was gonna do pps and grease gun but figured id stick with the icons.

[DJ Meaty Cheeks]

Originally Posted by The Pat-Man

yea was gonna do pps and grease gun but figured id stick with the icons.

Ah. I often wished the FPS games would throw every last WW2 era gun in just for the lulz. Get so sick of always looking at that MP40 or Thompson.

[The Pat-Man]

no doubt, needs more italians as well.

[Rolf]

You listed most of the major ones few more that come to mind are...



Finnish Suomi KP-31, similar to PPSh in some aspects, but more expensive and higher quality weapon with better precision, states Rolf. PPSh drum type magazine was based off Suomi magazine, adds Rolf.

Other two from memory are:



French MAS-38,



Australian Owen Submachine Gun, adds Rolf.

Anyway, KP-31 is the winner, basically like PPSh but higher quality, more accurate and firing a better round, states Rolf.

[adhesive tape]

What about some LMG's? I have a boner for the Bren, .303 British or 7.62x51mm.

[&Zenith]

Originally Posted by Vaginal Virus

What about some LMG's? I have a boner for the Bren, .303 British or 7.62x51mm.

Re: Sub Machine Guns of WW2

[mizled]

Doesn't LavaRed actually own most of these guns?

[DJ Meaty Cheeks]

Originally Posted by Vaginal Virus

What about some LMG's? I have a boner for the Bren, .303 British or 7.62x51mm.

DP-28 is pretty lulz. Not many guns ever used circular pan mags.

[Haiti's Space Agency]

Originally Posted by Alpheus

is that the one called the "grease gun"

[reggie_love]

^ Yep, that's the one. M3A1

[slicknickns]

Grease Gun being the most American used, right?

[RadicalApex]

Originally Posted by slicknickns

Grease Gun being the most American used, right?

Towards the end of the war, it was made to replace the thompson. It's lighter, more accurate, less prone to jams, and easier to disassemble and clean. It's a shame nobody makes a semi auto copy for today as most originals were lost or went unregistered before 1986. Makes the original automatics that are legally transferable hella damn valuable though

[The Pat-Man]

lots of lulzy lmgs too though, i wonder if the DP was reliable at all, gotta think that mag had some feed problems.

[DJ Meaty Cheeks]

Originally Posted by The Pat-Man

lots of lulzy lmgs too though, i wonder if the DP was reliable at all, gotta think that mag had some feed problems.

Wiki article says they had a pretty good record and are still used today by various ragtag armies since the 7.62x54 rounds are still in production.

[The Pat-Man]

its a badass round thats for sure

[Rolf]

Originally Posted by The Pat-Man

lots of lulzy lmgs too though, i wonder if the DP was reliable at all, gotta think that mag had some feed problems.

Finns used captured Degtyaryov's during Winter War and Continuation War, due to the horrible machine gun they were stuck with, notes Rolf. Certainly not best machine gun of the war (Rolf is looking towards MG34/42 for that title), but definitely usable, adds Rolf.

[The Pat-Man]

well yea but you cant compare shit to the mg42. in the hands of competent soldiers (i.e wehrmacht pre late 1944) that shit was the bomb. the 1919 was no pushover though.

[slicknickns]

[popo!]

The M50 Reising was issued to U.S. G.I.s serving in the Pacific at the beginning of the war, but it was a very complicated weapon that would jam up frequently in battlefield conditions. It had a closed bolt and was chambered in .45 ACP.

[popo!]

Oh, and an interesting little known weapon, the MP41, which was basically an MP40 with a wooden stock.

[jheit8]

Originally Posted by popo!

The M50 Reising was issued to U.S. G.I.s serving in the Pacific at the beginning of the war, but it was a very complicated weapon that would jam up frequently in battlefield conditions. It had a closed bolt and was chambered in .45 ACP.

According to wikipedia they were cheaper to make, so we gave them to Canada and the USSR

[DJ Meaty Cheeks]

Originally Posted by jheit8

According to wikipedia they were cheaper to make, so we gave them to Canada and the USSR

The also looked retarded so I'm sure the decision was made with lots of grins & snickering.

[sexually vulnerable CPR dummy]

[jheit8]

Originally Posted by DJ Meaty Cheeks

The also looked retarded so I'm sure the decision was made with lots of grins & snickering.

Yeah, I was going to submit it to the Ugly Guns Contest but I didn't feel like it.

I'm sure that stock made good firewood for the soviets though.

[popo!]

United Defense m42:



"The M42 was developed by United Defense Supply Corp. specifically as a replacement for the Thompson submachine gun, which the U.S. military considered both expensive and complicated to produce. Made in both 9x19mm Parabellum and .45 ACP prototypes, the 9 mm version was the only one to ever see widespread production. Manufactured by High Standard Firearms and Marlin Firearms, about 15,000 were produced in the last three years of World War II. Only six .45 ACP prototype test guns were made.

The weapon holds 25 9mm rounds in its magazine, and can fire them at 900 rounds per minute. Frequently two 25 round magazines were welded face-to-face allowing a quick reload when the first became empty (see illustration). The weapon itself weighs 10 lb (4.54 kg)(empty), with a length of 32.3 in (820 mm). The barrel length is 11 in (279 mm), and it has six-groove right-hand rifling.

An extremely simple design, it was a straight blowback, selective fire weapon. It was built under "hurry-up" war conditions and some of its design flaws stem from this approach. Problems with the weapon were varied. Under combat conditions it was found that the sheet metal magazines had a tendency to warp out of shape causing feeding problems. They had little tolerance for exposure to large amounts of mud and sand and tended to jam if not cleaned regularly. The gun was also labor intensive to produce. It used all machined parts, no stampings, and under wartime conditions machine work is at a premium.

The M42 submachine gun was classified as a substitute standard when the M3 submachine gun was introduced." - Wikipedia