Return is better than Empire

[constantinople]

I'm prepared to froth at the mouth, go red in the face, smash my keyboard and any other measure necessary to defend my point.


Ewoks are invalid as an argument, because lets face it, if you are going to criticize them you have to criticize the rest of George Lucas's fanciful aliens. I mean some of this shit just could not have evolved the way it did and still survived. It just ain't fucking logical. Go look at the cantina scene if you don't believe me.

[Haiti's Space Agency]

someone is watching the marathon on spiketv i am too i agree with you.

[constantinople]

Originally Posted by a224

someone is watching the marathon on spiketv i am too i agree with you.

I don't have cable but hell yeah nigga wut up

[constantinople]

Originally Posted by Vizier

Star Wars sucks.

Spend less time posting, more time mowing. My lawn looks like shit.

[Morb]

Originally Posted by DR.PAPADROPADOCALOPALIS

I'm prepared to froth at the mouth, go red in the face, smash my keyboard and any other measure necessary to defend my point.


Ewoks are invalid as an argument, because lets face it, if you are going to criticize them you have to criticize the rest of George Lucas's fanciful aliens. I mean some of this shit just could not have evolved the way it did and still survived. It just ain't fucking logical. Go look at the cantina scene if you don't believe me.

Yeah, but the other fanciful aliens weren't Ewoks.

[STD]

Agreed <3

[constantinople]

Originally Posted by Morb

Yeah, but the other fanciful aliens weren't Ewoks.

They weren't "cool" either, though.

[constantinople]

Originally Posted by vizier

i am always mad. I say this everytime some one u mads me and no one ever listens. I am always fucking angry, all the time. I wake up pissed off, and go to bed even angrier, so fuck off with your bullshit asshole, im tired of it

[Morb]

Actually, I gotta say Return tops Empire in almost every way... except for the last battle with the Ewoks. That really did just reach up like a giant squid to drag the whole production down single-handedly, I think somebody needed to take Lucas' happy weed away until after the movie was a wrap.

Those goddamned Ewoks.

[The Pat-Man]

yo taylor im sorry but empire is the best star wars movei of all time.

[constantinople]

Originally Posted by Morb

Actually, I gotta say Return tops Empire in almost every way... except for the last battle with the Ewoks. That really did just reach up like a giant squid to drag the whole production down single-handedly, I think somebody needed to take Lucas' happy weed away until after the movie was a wrap.

Those goddamned Ewoks.

I didn't mind the Ewoks. The Ewoks would have been fine going up against regular stormtroopers. Everyone knows what happens to technologically advanced armies being made to fight guerilla wars in hostile territory.


It's the fact that some admiral was super smug and said "I have 3 (not 1, 3!) of my finest imperial legions on the planet waiting for your friends" or something along those lines. That is what killed the tension. You were like "3 legions holy fuck that must be like THOUSANDS of troops!!!" wrong. Dead wrong. The legions were pussified. It just didn't make sense, and that's why the Ewoks felt wrong; because you as the viewer were expecting a clash between and the Ewoks and a horde of storm troopers and it was like a small advance party of storm troopers vs an outrageous amount of Ewoks, thus making the whole scale of the battle seems skewed.

[Ben Katz]

Sorry, but a half-billion Star Wars geeks cannot be wrong with their love of TESB over Return...

Reasons why Empire is FAR superior: (no specific order)

*The TWIST!!! (Luke, I'M YOUR Father...)
*AT-ATs were one of the most bad-ass war-machines of all time!
*Han Solo is front and center in this episode.
*C3PO gets blown to pieces.
*Imperial Star Destroyer! (Did you see how small the regular Star Destroyers were to it?)
*What are the odds of successfully navigating an asteroid field?
*Bounty Hunters!
*Getting to see Vader force choke a couple commanding officers; what a bad-ass!
*It wasn't directed by George Lucas.

[constantinople]

Originally Posted by Ben Katz

Sorry, but a half-billion Star Wars geeks cannot be wrong with their love of TESB over Return...

Reasons why Empire is FAR superior: (no specific order)

*The TWIST!!! (Luke, I'M YOUR Father...)
*AT-ATs were one of the most bad-ass war-machines of all time!
*Han Solo is front and center in this episode.
*C3PO gets blown to pieces.
*Imperial Star Destroyer! (Did you see how small the regular Star Destroyers were to it?)
*What are the odds of successfully navigating an asteroid field?
*Bounty Hunters!
*Getting to see Vader force choke a couple commanding officers; what a bad-ass!
*It wasn't directed by George Lucas.

I'm sorry, but, the Emperor was cooler than all* of those things combined. FUCKING. LIGHTNING. When you saw it for the first time, you were like "OH SHIT!" and you know it. I'm pretty sure C3PO gets fucked up in every Star Wars movie, so that's not saying anything. We got to see Vader unmasked, which was awesome (like his appearance or not, you WANTED to see what was under the mask). What are the odds that the rebels would de-activate the shields and destroy the death star before the Empire's armada destroyed the Rebel fleet?


It also taught an important life-lesson about forgiveness and the value of meaningful friendships and the value of dedication to a higher moral code for a more egalitarian society. and it gives hope that good can, in the end triumph over evil. It's a classic under-dog story and everyone, EVERYONE loves and under-dog story. It's amazing how much you actually cared about the characters and their relationships by the time Luke is being tempted in the throne room.



Empire taught me the world is cold, and full of secrets. And that most people are fair-weather friends.






* - Nothing is cooler than Han Solo. This is known, you have me beat there. Also, AT-AT's were really cool

[---Beany---]

In Return, Chewbacca does a Tarzan impression. That's kinda stupid.

[Shrike]

I don't think i've actually seen the original trilogy all the way through. I've caught bits on tv and so on, but never actually sat down and watched them. I kinda missed the boat tbh, cos I bet they would just seem silly watching them for the first time in 2012.

I think I actually have a set of them on VHS at my mum's house, but i've never been bored enough to hook up the VCR and watch them, lol. I was always more of a Trek guy anyway.

[Ben Katz]

Originally Posted by DR.PAPADROPADOCALOPALIS

We got to see Vader unmasked, which was awesome (like his appearance or not, you WANTED to see what was under the mask). (

We got to see Vader unmasked in ESB too! (Granted, we only saw the back of his head), but we got to use our imaginations as to his appearance when we saw him in ESB. As for Return, Vader ended up looking like "Humpty Dumpty" and quite pathetic. Moreover, he then reverts back to his handsome ways when he reappears with all his old friends at the end of ROTJ. (Nevermind the fact that Anakin did kill a dozen or more innocent younglings at the end of Revenge of the Sith....

Originally Posted by DR.PAPADROPADOCALOPALIS

It also taught an important life-lesson about forgiveness and the value of meaningful friendships and the value of dedication to a higher moral code for a more egalitarian society. and it gives hope that good can, in the end triumph over evil. It's a classic under-dog story and everyone, EVERYONE loves and under-dog story. It's amazing how much you actually cared about the characters and their relationships by the time Luke is being tempted in the throne room.(

Nope, sorry, I think this can be compared to (and I'm not using hyperbole here) Hitler's holocaust and then once the war is all over, forgiving him for all his past mistakes and basically letting it be "water under the bridge." Forgiveness, yes, it has it's place, but for Christ's sake!! HE BLEW UP AN ENTIRE PLANET!!! Also, see my above comment about the younglings at the academy.

Originally Posted by DR.PAPADROPADOCALOPALIS

Empire taught me the world is cold, and full of secrets. And that most people are fair-weather friends.(

Good point....






* - Nothing is cooler than Han Solo. This is known, you have me beat there. Also, AT-AT's were really cool [/quote]

[constantinople]

Originally Posted by Ben Katz

We got to see Vader unmasked in ESB too! (Granted, we only saw the back of his head), but we got to use our imaginations as to his appearance when we saw him in ESB. As for Return, Vader ended up looking like "Humpty Dumpty" and quite pathetic. Moreover, he then reverts back to his handsome ways when he reappears with all his old friends at the end of ROTJ. (Nevermind the fact that Anakin did kill a dozen or more innocent younglings at the end of Revenge of the Sith....




Nope, sorry, I think this can be compared to (and I'm not using hyperbole here) Hitler's holocaust and then once the war is all over, forgiving him for all his past mistakes and basically letting it be "water under the bridge." Forgiveness, yes, it has it's place, but for Christ's sake!! HE BLEW UP AN ENTIRE PLANET!!! Also, see my above comment about the younglings at the academy.



Good point....






* - Nothing is cooler than Han Solo. This is known, you have me beat there. Also, AT-AT's were really cool

[/quote]



I meant the forgiveness between a father and son. I don't think Luke was ever really okay with what Vader did, and new Vader had to suffer the consequences of his actions, but I think it was about understanding that everyone can seek forgiveness and change their ways. It's a powerful message.

While vader didn't look cool underneath the mask...what did you expect? it was a reflection of his "soul" if you will; he was a broken and battered person, a fragment of the "good" jedi you supposed he had once been (once again..prequels ruining shit. he was never a good jedi but WHATEVER. YOU DIDNT KNOW THAT BACK IN THE 80'S!).


Of course when his spirit manifests itself as a pure being of the force or whatever it was as he would have been because well....shut up.


I can't really include the the prequels in discussion of the original trilogy. For the sake of this thread, we will pretend they don't exist, okay? okay.

[Jive Talka]

Originally Posted by DR.PAPADROPADOCALOPALIS

They weren't "cool" either, though.

Disappoint son, I am.

[constantinople]

Originally Posted by Jive Talka

Disappoint son, I am.

Yoda is obviously a cool alien.

[ScaryGary]

no it fucking isn't. Empire is the only GREAT Star Wars movie. New Hope is good. and of the prequel Trilogy, Clones was the best. all else blow.

[constantinople]

Originally Posted by ScaryGary

no it fucking isn't. Empire is the only GREAT Star Wars movie. New Hope is good. and of the prequel Trilogy, Clones was the best. all else blow.

Get real.

[DJ Meaty Cheeks]

Billy Dee Williams/Lando was introduced in Empire. That negates all your other arguments. Now shut up and kick back with some ice cold Colt 45.

[constantinople]

Originally Posted by DJ Meaty Cheeks

Billy Dee Williams/Lando was introduced in Empire. That negates all your other arguments. Now shut up and kick back with some ice cold Colt 45.

Except he was a backstabbing schemeing corporate nigger with no spine until he had a rebel armada backing him up.


Luke came at Vader with nothing but a lightsaber and piss-poor Jedi training.

[DJ Meaty Cheeks]

Originally Posted by DR.PAPADROPADOCALOPALIS

Except he was a backstabbing schemeing corporate nigger with no spine until he had a rebel armada backing him up.


Luke came at Vader with nothing but a lightsaber and piss-poor Jedi training.

Yeah and Luke got his whiny little bitch ass kicked for it.

Lando was all about the hustle, making that gangster money like a smart motherfucker should, staying alive and drinking that Colt 45. Everyone in the rebellion was a stupid chump fighting for a lost cause. So they finally killed the emperor? So what, there's a million other motherfuckers waiting in line to take his place, along with a million more warships and billions of stormtroopers. They didn't win shit in Return of The Jedi.

http://www.cracked.com/article/167_5...n-prequels_p2/

[constantinople]

Originally Posted by DJ Meaty Cheeks

Yeah and Luke got his whiny little bitch ass kicked for it.

Lando was all about the hustle, making that gangster money like a smart motherfucker should, staying alive and drinking that Colt 45. Everyone in the rebellion was a stupid chump fighting for a lost cause. So they finally killed the emperor? So what, there's a million other motherfuckers waiting in line to take his place, along with a million more warships and billions of stormtroopers. They didn't win shit in Return of The Jedi.

http://www.cracked.com/article/167_5...n-prequels_p2/

"I'm not talking about some shit that happened in some book. I've never read any Star Wars books, or any other books for that matter. " -Plinkett

[DJ Meaty Cheeks]

Originally Posted by DR.PAPADROPADOCALOPALIS

"I'm not talking about some shit that happened in some book. I've never read any Star Wars books, or any other books for that matter. " -Plinkett

So what's your point? You're illiterate? What do you think happens in reality when the leaders of a massive powerful empire are killed? All their generals fight each other to fill the leadership - bloody civil war for all. Go rebellion.

[constantinople]

Originally Posted by DJ Meaty Cheeks

So what's your point? You're illiterate? What do you think happens in reality when the leaders of a massive powerful empire are killed? All their generals fight each other to fill the leadership - bloody civil war for all. Go rebellion.

My point is this (copy pasted directly from your shit article on cracked.com)

Of course, even though the Emperor comes back and the Empire rises again, the rebels do eventually prevail. Sure, it took a couple of decades after the events of the OT, but we at least know that one day a gray-haired Han Solo and crew got to see their dream of an evilless galaxy come true.

I didn't have to even read a book; you were wrong. Good prevails in the end.


I wouldn't count this as a valid argument anyways since we are talking about movies.

[FrY]

Originally Posted by DR.PAPADROPADOCALOPALIS

My point is this (copy pasted directly from your shit article on cracked.com)





I didn't have to even read a book; you were wrong. Good prevails in the end.


I wouldn't count this as a valid argument anyways since we are talking about movies.

OH SNAP!

[Paragon]

I don't agree, but it's nice to see more people appreciating Return. Here's my list of Star Wars movies, from best to worst:

1. Empire
2. Return
3. New Hope
4. Christmas Special
5. The shitpile of prequels

[Smegma2012]

I really don't understand all the hate for the prequels... It's really just the same or better quality of entertainment than the originals. The special effects on the prequels are another level then the originals as well.

[Paragon]

Originally Posted by Smegma2012

I really don't understand all the hate for the prequels... It's really just the same or better quality of entertainment than the originals. The special effects on the prequels are another level then the originals as well.

1/10 troll.

[Pee Vee Proots, M.D.]

Originally Posted by Paragon

I don't agree, but it's nice to see more people appreciating Return. Here's my list of Star Wars movies, from best to worst:

1. Empire
2. Return
3. New Hope
4. Christmas Special
5. The shitpile of prequels

LOL WAT. I think you got those two out of order. The prequels were...alright. They weren't horrible. You only hate them because it's cool for nerds/warsies. If you've actually seen the Christmas special, there is no way you really feel this way.

But sure. Yeah. You're totally right: "OMG RETARDED ALIEN SPACE-MINSTREL SHOW OMGGGG JAR JAR ROOINED THE FRANCHIZE FUUCK GEORGE LUCA$ IN HIS ASS OMGGGG"

[Paragon]

Originally Posted by Pee Vee Proots, M.D.

LOL WAT. I think you got those two out of order. The prequels were...alright. They weren't horrible. You only hate them because it's cool for nerds/warsies. If you've actually seen the Christmas special, there is no way you really feel this way.

But sure. Yeah. You're totally right: "OMG RETARDED ALIEN SPACE-MINSTREL SHOW OMGGGG JAR JAR ROOINED THE FRANCHIZE FUUCK GEORGE LUCA$ IN HIS ASS OMGGGG"

Actually, the prequels are horrible.

"I'll do a spin. That's a cool trick."

"Love won't save you, Padme. Only my new powers can!"

"If you're not with me, then you're my enemy!"

That shit had to have been written by a retarded monkey. Every moment of dialogue + every plot development was pathetic. Outside of the double-lightsaber, the sequels had nothing worth seeing. They were trash.

Now, so was the Christmas Special, but at least that trash was fucking hilarious. The prequels were depressing, because they could have been amazing (I would have been happy if they were just "ok"). The Christmas Special was full of laughs, even if it was unwatchable. At least we couldn't understand what the wookies were saying. I doubt it was anything as stupid as...

"The Chancellor is evil!"
"From my point of view, it's the Jedi who are evil!"

[The real slim spud]

I can't believe this stupid thread is still peaking hot topics. They're both shit for the record

[Pee Vee Proots, M.D.]

Originally Posted by The real slim spud

They're both shit for the record

Truth. Citizen Kane is better than both.

[constantinople]

When I get as much second-hand embarassment from the line delivery in a movie as I did from the Star Wars prequels, it means they probably aren't that fuckin good.


They had some interesting and colorful fighting sequences as well as some interesting computer generated asteroid feilds and underwater cities and 'splosions but those are hardly redeeming qualities.

[Smegma2012]

Examples of stupid dialogue from the Original-Trilogy:


“Aren’t you a little short for a stormtrooper?”

“Into the garbage chute, flyboy!”

“You’re all clear, kid! Now let’s blow this thing and go home!”

The original triolgy's plot was also very unintelligent. Basically the second two movies were merely the same as "New Hope" except spanned over two movies.

The only good things about Star Wars were there special effects, which is actually what netted the movies oscars. This is why Mr. Lucas created THX.