should I get a mac book or a PC?

[Captain Falcon]

Originally Posted by Agathokakological

I disagree. I have ran OS X for years, same with Windows. I use both on a regular basis, and both work well. I notice you lack any evidence to this claim.

The entire rest of the post is the evidence, tard.

I have no idea what you're talking about. I want to look at photos? Windows, I open "Preview" for quick looking; or perhaps a random program I downloaded off the internet to look at and organize it. In OS X, I can using "iPhoto" which does an excellent job.

The FUCK are you talking about? Just double click on a picture and it opens it in the regular Windows Photo Viewer. At least try not to flat out LIE about it.

Mac software is written for Macs. Windows software is for Windows. There's programs for both. I have yet to find a program for Windows that I like as much as iPhoto. It organizes my photos in various ways (date taken, by where it was taken, or by who is in it).

You can organize your photos any way you want in windows. Mac software is written for Mac, but these softwares are far scarcer and Mac's support is nowhere near that of Windows.

I have nothing against linux - in fact, I ran it for years. The simple fact is I wanted it to be bit more automated, and I have little use for the customization. I find OS x and Windows enough to get my daily tasks done.

I've said this already. Windows is a more user friendly and accommodating Os. OSx is unnecessary, bloated and shit, though.

I find OS x pretty "familiar". You want to open something, you click on it. I want to edit videos? iMovies. It's in the title. I want to listen to music? Everyone has heard of iTunes. Got to look at the calendar? iCal.

Anything gets familiar provided you use it enough, but it doesn't change the fact that it deviates for from a very well established UI schema (to which literally all OSes except Mac are made) for no good reason. Secondly, still bullshit reasoning. Windows comes with Windows Live Movie Maker (which is a very acceptable program for what it is), Windows Media Player and there's a calender in the taskbar (adding a lowercase "i" doesn't make it better). Again, bullshit reasoning, nothing you can't do with a PC.

I agree on the weird command shortcuts - they take a little to get used to them. Some are familiar, but some are just strange.

At least you're slightly sensible.

I think you're just an anti-mac fanboy. I can use all three - but OS x does everything the others do, that I do on a regular basis. I don't know why you must insult others who prefer something different - the world would be pretty boring if everyone agreed. The fact is that OS x is very similar to the others. I'm waiting for you to name a few things OS X can't do that the others can - or can't do as well.

First, here's why you're wrong; a "fanboy" would hate something irrationally. I hate OSx and I have a reason for hating OSx (it's unnecessarily partisan, it exists for literally no reason but for Apple to set itself apart. and offers no benefit to the end user).

Secondly, your reasoning is bullshit. It's that "it can do the same thing the other's do that I do on a regular basis". My problem is with that last part, where you're setting the parameters so you can move the goalposts because you can just define "what you do on a regular basis". Why is this bullshit? Because

A) your argument is that it can do the same things (rather than do anything better), which means at most, you can't PREFER OSx but choose not to hate it and
B) just because the only thing you compute on your computer is Farmville doesn't mean it makes what Mac CANNOT do irrelevant.

Your preference, by your OWN reasoning, is completely irrational. YOU are a Mac fanboy, so don't fucking act like you have a logical or moral high ground.

OSx is straight inferior to the others. As for examples; how about running a program not made for Lion without Apple having to code background VMs and eating system resources? How about not interfering with my print spooler? How about not allowing my phone to print via bluetooth because it can't store the auth key? How about the fact that you're talking about something doing the same thing (it doesn't) but for extra high prices?

I don't like the "hipster" idea of the mac, but I'm not going to let that ruin it for me. I like how light my air is, and that it does what I need.

How about the fact that Macbook Airs start at $999 for an

11 inch screen (1366x768)
64 GB storage
1.7GHz dual-core Intel Core
4GB of DDR3L (hipster DDR3)
Intel HD Graphics 4000

Comparatively, I could buy the Vaio ultrabook for $799 and I'd get a

13.3 inch screen (1366x768)
32GB SSD + 500GB HDD
Intel Core i5-3317U 1.7GHz
4GB DDR3
Intel HD Graphics 4000

That's $200 less for a statistically better laptop in every conceivable manner. The fuck is wrong with you?

I have no current use for the Retina display. I don't see myself having one in the future, but things change. I won't be upgrading my Mac for at least 3-4 years, unless the unforeseen happens.

Again, at least you have an iota of sense for agreeing with me.

You just want something to bitch about. I have used all 3 (I know there's more OS's out there, but main 3). Again - it's personal preference, which is nothing to make fun of. If I buy a Mac due to advertising and to be "hip", then yes - I'd be an idiot. I use it, like it, and that's why I picked it.

I've just proven how full of shit you are. Macs are, as I have stated and proven time and again, unnecessary and partisan. They do nothing better than other PCs, are overpriced and certainly do everything worse for a comparatively priced PC. Fuck off, you irrational and pathetic brand loyal sheep.

[Dread_Lord]

Originally Posted by Snoopy

I would reply to that but the statistical part of my post would go over your head in a big way.

Hey that's cool, do me a favor and convert the following number to base 36.
47200317781

[Agathokakological]

Originally Posted by Captain Falcon

The entire rest of the post is the evidence, tard.

No, it's you just insulting people who don't agree.

The FUCK are you talking about? Just double click on a picture and it opens it in the regular Windows Photo Viewer. At least try not to flat out LIE about it.

I didn't say you couldn't. I just find iPhoto more organized. Windows Photo Viewer = preview from XP, as far as I remember,

You can organize your photos any way you want in windows. Mac software is written for Mac, but these softwares are far scarcer and Mac's support is nowhere near that of Windows.

I've never had an issue.

I've said this already. Windows is a more user friendly and accommodating Os. OSx is unnecessary, bloated and shit, though.

You said it, but it's not true.

Anything gets familiar provided you use it enough, but it doesn't change the fact that it deviates for from a very well established UI schema (to which literally all OSes except Mac are made) for no good reason. Secondly, still bullshit reasoning. Windows comes with Windows Live Movie Maker (which is a very acceptable program for what it is), Windows Media Player and there's a calender in the taskbar (adding a lowercase "i" doesn't make it better). Again, bullshit reasoning, nothing you can't do with a PC.

I'm not a fan of the lowercase "i" in front of everything. I know Windows comes with it most of them; these are built onto the screen. It's arguable better either way - whether adding it to the OS X dock; adding a desktop shortcut; or hitting start-->all programs--> (forget section) --> Windows Movie maker is easier. I like the dock, and have exactly what I use in mine for most circumstances.

Also, I was saying you can do basically everything on a Mac that you can on a PC; not that one is superior.

First, here's why you're wrong; a "fanboy" would hate something irrationally. I hate OSx and I have a reason for hating OSx (it's unnecessarily partisan, it exists for literally no reason but for Apple to set itself apart. and offers no benefit to the end user).

Just because you don't see value doesn't mean everyone feels that way.

Secondly, your reasoning is bullshit. It's that "it can do the same thing the other's do that I do on a regular basis". My problem is with that last part, where you're setting the parameters so you can move the goalposts because you can just define "what you do on a regular basis". Why is this bullshit? Because

A) your argument is that it can do the same things (rather than do anything better), which means at most, you can't PREFER OSx but choose not to hate it and
B) just because the only thing you compute on your computer is Farmville doesn't mean it makes what Mac CANNOT do irrelevant.

Your preference, by your OWN reasoning, is completely irrational. YOU are a Mac fanboy, so don't fucking act like you have a logical or moral high ground.

Um, would it be more sensible for me to say "I do a lot of ___, and Macs do it well" or "I don't ever edit 3d movies, but I hear they can't do it"?

Basically - there's nothing I do on a PC that I can't do on a Mac, and vice-versa. I don't have to switch OS's just to get something done (aside from scripts I've made that are one-OS friendly only, that's not a valid argument).

OSx is straight inferior to the others. As for examples; how about running a program not made for Lion without Apple having to code background VMs and eating system resources? How about not interfering with my print spooler? How about not allowing my phone to print via bluetooth because it can't store the auth key? How about the fact that you're talking about something doing the same thing (it doesn't) but for extra high prices?

I can't argue either way on this - I've never had an issue; but I know they exist. I've ran Android and iPhone and they talk to OS x just fine - I know there are others that won't. I can't argue for/against areas in which I have no experience.

How about the fact that Macbook Airs start at $999 for an

11 inch screen (1366x768)
64 GB storage
1.7GHz dual-core Intel Core
4GB of DDR3L (hipster DDR3)
Intel HD Graphics 4000

Comparatively, I could buy the Vaio ultrabook for $799 and I'd get a

13.3 inch screen (1366x768)
32GB SSD + 500GB HDD
Intel Core i5-3317U 1.7GHz
4GB DDR3
Intel HD Graphics 4000

That's $200 less for a statistically better laptop in every conceivable manner. The fuck is wrong with you?



Again, at least you have an iota of sense for agreeing with me.

1) Though it's not a big difference; I prefer a smaller screen. This is arguable - I hook it up to a big screen when I get home a lot of the time. This isn't a point for/against either.

2)Mine's 128gb; which is enough storage for me. I back up on a drive that both of my computers can read from. I also like SSD for a laptop since it's faster.

3) Can't argue cpu/ram as I'm unaware of the differences. I can say I've never had a RAM or a "wish this computer wasn't so slow" moment. I don't do intensive work on this.

4) The vaio apparently weighs 3.5 pounds. The air weighs 2.3 pounds. That's nothing to the average person - but I carry a lot of photography equipment around quite often so every little bit helps.

5) I like the OS better. It syncs with my phone nicely; I like the way it works, and the startup time is amazing.

6) I haven't read the entire review of the VAIO; but does it have a backlit keyboard? I find it very useful when typing in low-light areas, even though I rarely look at the keys.

With all the differences and preferences - I don't mind paying an extra $200 for a computer I like. I will easily have it for 4 years; $50 a year isn't too much money to get what you want. Especially when you use it every day.

Also - I treat my laptop computers fairly rough. I've had a Toshiba and an HP last 2-3 years, where my last Macbook (it was a Powerbook) lasted 6. I still have it and it boots - I just replaced it due to aging technology. This is based on my experience only.

I've just proven how full of shit you are. Macs are, as I have stated and proven time and again, unnecessary and partisan. They do nothing better than other PCs, are overpriced and certainly do everything worse for a comparatively priced PC. Fuck off, you irrational and pathetic brand loyal sheep.

No, you've proven that you don't like Macs.

[Tokerface]

PC;
- Virtually no compatibility issues, runs almost everything.
- Cheaper.
- Easier to upgrade/fix.

Mac;
- Makes you look like a hipster/indie wanker.
- Waste of money.
- Really expensive software.

[Captain Falcon]

Originally Posted by Agathokakological

No, it's you just insulting people who don't agree.

The issue is that you are wrong and I am right therefore, yes, technically I'm insulting a person who doesn't agree with me. It's not a matter of opinion, though. I'm factually correct and you are factually wrong. I am calling you a retard for your retarded justifications for using OSx.

[img]I didn't say you couldn't. I just find iPhoto more organized. Windows Photo Viewer = preview from XP, as far as I remember[/img]

sure, but iPhoto is organizationally and functionally absolutely no different from all the standard software that comes with Windows. All iPhoto is is a glossy pack-in that uses an unnecessary amount of resources for it's flashy interface.

I've never had an issue.

I shouldn't have to repeat this to you; what you do or do not experience does not change what IS. It changes nothing for the documentedly less software support for Mac (alongside the limited driver support that ties down your upgrades to it). Yes, YOU may not play games on it. Does it lack that? Yes, it does. It doesn't play as many games or as well, just like it doesn't do many things as well as a Windows PC.

You said it, but it's not true.

It's definitely true and I've already stated this at least twice in this thread. Don't try to bullshit your way out of this one, faggot.

I'm not a fan of the lowercase "i" in front of everything. I know Windows comes with it most of them; these are built onto the screen. It's arguable better either way - whether adding it to the OS X dock; adding a desktop shortcut; or hitting start-->all programs--> (forget section) --> Windows Movie maker is easier. I like the dock, and have exactly what I use in mine for most circumstances.

you know what? I won't even say anything. Instead, I'll take a screenshot of my desktop and show clearly that your knowledge of windows is outdated and shit. You're a sadly misinformed individual who seeks to argue with those who are not:



This is a screenshot of my desktop. See that shit on the right side? Fuck off.

Also, I was saying you can do basically everything on a Mac that you can on a PC; not that one is superior.

And my point is that that's no point of preference. If you prefer something, you are definitely saying it's better. That's why you prefer something. II shouldn't have to be your lexical coach on this one.

Also, I've shown more than a few times that Mac isn't equal but inferior.

Just because you don't see value doesn't mean everyone feels that way.

You have yet to show me why one would see value in OSx at all, because up till now, you've given me nothing but stupid misinformed bullshit while I've shown you exactly why OSx is inferior (offers no benefit and plenty of downsides, tortures developers for cross-compatibility etc)

Um, would it be more sensible for me to say "I do a lot of ___, and Macs do it well" or "I don't ever edit 3d movies, but I hear they can't do it"?

A) Macs can edit 3D movies, they just can't do it as well as a PC of a similar price can. Fine, it's an example. Moving on.

B) You're trying to use a hyperbolized example. Not many people edit 3D movies, but a massive load of people play video games, use Bubble Jet printers, use wireless broadband adapters, use gaming mice with dedicated softwares, the list goes on. And the point still stands that if it does nothing better, there is no reason to prefer it.

Basically - there's nothing I do on a PC that I can't do on a Mac, and vice-versa. I don't have to switch OS's just to get something done (aside from scripts I've made that are one-OS friendly only, that's not a valid argument).

Issue still arises; you can't "prefer" Mac if there's no advantage. You keep saying the same shit, but to any intelligent person, you're saying "I bought an outrageously priced device for an OS that does the same thing as an OS on the non-outrageously priced device". You bought a $1000 Macbook Air that does nothing better than the $800 Vaio ultrabook and the only reason you've given me is that "it does the same thing". Irrational, no matter what way you look at it.

I can't argue either way on this - I've never had an issue; but I know they exist. I've ran Android and iPhone and they talk to OS x just fine - I know there are others that won't. I can't argue for/against areas in which I have no experience.

when it comes down to "what is a better OS", I don't need your experience. Issues exist here that don't exist on Windows. It's inferior.

1) Though it's not a big difference; I prefer a smaller screen. This is arguable - I hook it up to a big screen when I get home a lot of the time. This isn't a point for/against either.

1) 2 inches doesn't reduce portability
2) Why would you NOT want a bigger screen?
3) it's $200 of a difference. Pay attention.

2)Mine's 128gb; which is enough storage for me. I back up on a drive that both of my computers can read from. I also like SSD for a laptop since it's faster.

Here, you're a fucking idiot again. Aside from bootup, you'll never see a performance difference between an SSD and a good HDD. The ultrabook had an SSD big enough for a windows install + 16 gigs of whatever programs you want on it, which I can assure you is more than enough. For your other files, there's literally no difference in performance and you get a shit-tonne more storage than a measly 128 GB.

3) Can't argue cpu/ram as I'm unaware of the differences. I can say I've never had a RAM or a "wish this computer wasn't so slow" moment. I don't do intensive work on this.

The CPU is pretty much the same but I'm not sure if the Air has an Ivy Bridge chip like the ultrabook and the RAM is pretty much the same, DDR3L is just a more expensive low voltage variety of DDR3 (doesn't make a huge difference in battery either, from my calculations.)

4) The vaio apparently weighs 3.5 pounds. The air weighs 2.3 pounds. That's nothing to the average person - but I carry a lot of photography equipment around quite often so every little bit helps.

I'm not even going to dignify this with a response. Suffice to say, you not being "the average person" has no bearing on the fact that the Air is an overpriced POS. Also, I don;t know what camera equipment you're carrying, but it can't weigh more than maybe 20 pounds or so. Even if it is, I'd just recommend you stop being a pussy.

5) I like the OS better. It syncs with my phone nicely; I like the way it works, and the startup time is amazing.

The startup time is a function of the SSD, which the ultrabook also has.

Also, on Amazon it's even cheaper, clocking in at just under 725 bucks.

6) I haven't read the entire review of the VAIO; but does it have a backlit keyboard? I find it very useful when typing in low-light areas, even though I rarely look at the keys.

No, but backlit keys rarely ever have full travel distance and often have poor registry (a notorious issue with the Air, although I guess it's solved by just getting used to typing a bit heavier). Also, for $200, you could probably just buy one of these and it'd be more power and cost efficient:

http://www.myglowkeys.com/

With all the differences and preferences - I don't mind paying an extra $200 for a computer I like. I will easily have it for 4 years; $50 a year isn't too much money to get what you want. Especially when you use it every day.

Your like of it is irrational and dumb. That's 50 dollars a year you could have NOT spent. Tard. The point is it's a worse PRODUCT.

Also - I treat my laptop computers fairly rough. I've had a Toshiba and an HP last 2-3 years, where my last Macbook (it was a Powerbook) lasted 6. I still have it and it boots - I just replaced it due to aging technology. This is based on my experience only.

A) Don't treat your laptops like an idiot in any case

B) Macs are assembled alongside Toshibas and HPs in Foxconn's facilities from Foxconn's own mould catalogues and pretty much the same exact materials.

C) One could say the exact same thing in reverse (Macs have only lasted 2-3 years where their last Toshiba and HP lasted 6) and it would be exactly as valid proof as your statement.

No, you've proven that you don't like Macs.

Pay attention, fuckstick, I already said I didn't like Macs, I demonstrated exactly why I don't. "Nu-uh" isn't a valid response.

[Snoopy]

Originally Posted by Dread_Lord

Hey that's cool, do me a favor and convert the following number to base 36.
47200317781

That's exactly what I mean. You're extremely easy to fool.

[Agathokakological]

The issue is that you are wrong and I am right therefore, yes, technically I'm insulting a person who doesn't agree with me. It's not a matter of opinion, though. I'm factually correct and you are factually wrong. I am calling you a retard for your retarded justifications for using OSx.

No, this is just wrong.

sure, but iPhoto is organizationally and functionally absolutely no different from all the standard software that comes with Windows. All iPhoto is is a glossy pack-in that uses an unnecessary amount of resources for it's flashy interface

I haven't found one that works as well. Care to name one?

I shouldn't have to repeat this to you; what you do or do not experience does not change what IS. It changes nothing for the documentedly less software support for Mac (alongside the limited driver support that ties down your upgrades to it). Yes, YOU may not play games on it. Does it lack that? Yes, it does. It doesn't play as many games or as well, just like it doesn't do many things as well as a Windows PC.

Again - I can't say anything in an area that I have no experience. Arguing this is like me telling you about what it's like to walk on the moon - I've read about it, but never experienced it.

It's definitely true and I've already stated this at least twice in this thread. Don't try to bullshit your way out of this one, faggot.

No, you say things and attempt to insult me. You haven't posted any proof that I've seen.

Here, you're a fucking idiot again. Aside from bootup, you'll never see a performance difference between an SSD and a good HDD. The ultrabook had an SSD big enough for a windows install + 16 gigs of whatever programs you want on it, which I can assure you is more than enough. For your other files, there's literally no difference in performance and you get a shit-tonne more storage than a measly 128 GB.

16 gigs of SSD storage space doesn't seem like a lot. I prefer ALL my memory to be SSD. They take less power & corrupt less. I also use Thunderbolt in order to move my files quickly, which helps a lot. I know Thunderbolt is very expensive and won't last, but i didn't pay for mine (or else I wouldn't have it).

No, but backlit keys rarely ever have full travel distance and often have poor registry (a notorious issue with the Air, although I guess it's solved by just getting used to typing a bit heavier). Also, for $200, you could probably just buy one of these and it'd be more power and cost efficient:

I read some complaints about the keyboard - but tested it myself before purchasing and actually like the keyboard. It feels very natural and I don't feel you have to press hard in order to achieve a keystroke. In fact, my boyfriends Dell feels like a typewriter where you practically have to hit the keys with a hammer just to get it working.

Your like of it is irrational and dumb. That's 50 dollars a year you could have NOT spent. Tard. The point is it's a worse PRODUCT.

Paying extra for something you want isn't bad, especially low amounts. I bought a printer that has wifi printing instead of getting one with a cord; it was worth every penny to me.

I think spending a bit extra for a nice product (again, arguable nicer) isn't a big deal. I make enough money that $50 isn't much.

A) Don't treat your laptops like an idiot in any case

B) Macs are assembled alongside Toshibas and HPs in Foxconn's facilities from Foxconn's own mould catalogues and pretty much the same exact materials.

C) One could say the exact same thing in reverse (Macs have only lasted 2-3 years where their last Toshiba and HP lasted 6) and it would be exactly as valid proof as your statement.

a) All laptops were in the exact same case because I like it (bought a new one with each laptop). The PC didn't survive; but the mac did. Macs have features such as moving the pin in the HDD when they notice a sudden drop. They also have magnetized power cords in case someone trips on it - it will unplug rather than fall.
b) Source?
c) When I say it's my opinion only, I can say it. Read the entire sentence. i didn't say it was a rule for everyone,.

Pay attention, fuckstick, I already said I didn't like Macs, I demonstrated exactly why I don't. "Nu-uh" isn't a valid response.

Most of your evidence is strictly your opinion. Other than the specs you posted (which didn't include things like battery life….) you've posted opinions.


Just remember - I haven't said PCs are worse than Macs. I simply think Macs shouldn't be discounted so quickly and people being told they're being dumb/"faggots" for buying a product that works well.

[Captain Falcon]

Originally Posted by Agathokakological

No, this is just wrong.

No, why? Your only defence has been "nu uh".

I haven't found one that works as well. Care to name one?

What the fuck do you mean "works as well"? Windows Live Media Center, for one, can organize your shit whichever way you want it. Again, you keep throwing out stupid, vague questions as responses and expect to gain ground through development.

Again - I can't say anything in an area that I have no experience. Arguing this is like me telling you about what it's like to walk on the moon - I've read about it, but never experienced it.

Hyperbolic analogies. 20 men went to the moon. Millions around the world like using Google Chrome and Firefox plugins properly. Millions play video games. Don't dodge the point, faggot.

No, you say things and attempt to insult me. You haven't posted any proof that I've seen.

No, fuck you. Stop lying, stop trying to sidle around the point. You get more pathetic with each post.

http://www.zoklet.net/bbs/showpost.p...&postcount=121
http://www.zoklet.net/bbs/showpost.p...9&postcount=67

The only thing you've replied with is anecdotal bullshit and and retracted into "well, I don't do X or Y and therefore the issue doesn't exist"

16 gigs of SSD storage space doesn't seem like a lot. I prefer ALL my memory to be SSD. They take less power & corrupt less. I also use Thunderbolt in order to move my files quickly, which helps a lot. I know Thunderbolt is very expensive and won't last, but i didn't pay for mine (or else I wouldn't have it).

Preferring all your storage in solid state just cements how retarded you are for speaking out of your ass and understanding what a colossal waste of money it is to have 128 measly gigs to fill out and all of it in solid state so all that speed can be diverted to opening your 3 meg pictures. Thunderbolt is a proprietary port and you're, again, a fucking retard because about 5 devices support thunderbolt and I don't even know what huge quantities you're transferring to and from your pint sized 128 gig SSD. (note, the 128 gig one is more expensive, so I could bring up a more expensive ultra book, but I won't need to because having 64 extra gigs of storage won't help the Mac much anyway)

I read some complaints about the keyboard - but tested it myself before purchasing and actually like the keyboard. It feels very natural and I don't feel you have to press hard in order to achieve a keystroke. In fact, my boyfriends Dell feels like a typewriter where you practically have to hit the keys with a hammer just to get it working.

I'm just going to point out that you're an idiot if you think key travel is a bad thing. Also, you must have weird retarded fingers if any keyboard "feels like a typewriter" to you. Either that or you've never used a typewriter.

Paying extra for something you want isn't bad, especially low amounts. I bought a printer that has wifi printing instead of getting one with a cord; it was worth every penny to me.

Except while a wifi printer has an actual advantage, I've already demonstrated your "want" for the Air is irrational and dumb. The only justification you've given is, till this point, that "it does the same things" which A) it doesn't and B) is a stupid reason because if you could have gotten something that did the same thing for 200 dollars less, how do you justify saying it's not an inferior purchase?

I think spending a bit extra for a nice product (again, arguable nicer) isn't a big deal. I make enough money that $50 isn't much.

It's not a nicer product by any metric. The point isn't the $200, it's that you spent an extra $200 on something you yourself can't give me a single advantage of over the thing you WOULDN'T spend an extra $200 for.

a) All laptops were in the exact same case because I like it (bought a new one with each laptop). The PC didn't survive; but the mac did. Macs have features such as moving the pin in the HDD when they notice a sudden drop. They also have magnetized power cords in case someone trips on it - it will unplug rather than fall.

And my father's nephew's cousin had a macbook air that he kept in the same case as an ultrabook and the macbook didn't survive and the HP and Dell ones did. There we go, polarly opposite "proof".

b) Source?

Don't call source on something as commonly known as the Dodgers, faggot.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foxconn#Major_customers

c) When I say it's my opinion only, I can say it. Read the entire sentence. i didn't say it was a rule for everyone,.

I don't give a shit about you. This discussion is about Macs vs other PCs, not the preferences of some bitch on the internet I don't give a fuck about. That sentence wasn't your "opinion", it was "based on your experience" and the point of my post was to point out that I simply don't give a shit about your experience when we;re talking about the quality of Macs.

Most of your evidence is strictly your opinion. Other than the specs you posted (which didn't include things like battery life….) you've posted opinions.

You're a fucking idiot. Point out to me one piece of reasoning I've given that's based on preference rather than fact.

Just remember - I haven't said PCs are worse than Macs. I simply think Macs shouldn't be discounted so quickly and people being told they're being dumb/"faggots" for buying a product that works well.

And I said Macs are worse than PCs because the product DOESN'T work as well and as I've already said, is overpriced for it's specifications, while the OS also doesn't give you any advantage.

TL;DR you're beating around the bush and trying to avoid the fact that you're full of shit here and you yourself have said nothing more than that you've paid an extra 200 dollars for something that is functionally not suprior to the thing that does it as well (and which is better than Mac, as I've already shown.

[Agathokakological]

Originally Posted by Captain Falcon

Random shit.

There's no point of arguing with someone who doesn't provide sufficient proof and just sticks to their opinions. I provided evidence when you did - if your arguments were just "lol pc better", I'm not going to bother giving any sources, or there's no point.

Battery life is better (from reviews I read), the magnetized power cord is great as well.

I find the speed faster when I looking through items on my SSD; even when compared to a similar computer with a regular HHD.

I would have never bought a Thunderbolt Drive; however by moving large amounts of data (around 80 gb) to and from the Mac every day, about 6 times a day, it's very helpful.

I don't care WHERE my computer is made. They use different materials for different computers.


Paying extra for something I highly prefer isn't a bad decision. I'm also used to many of the functions on a Mac. Again - you haven't named anything a PC can do that a Mac can't. I am speaking as a business user - but feel free to give any example. It does have games, I know not nearly as many - that's not important to everyone.

[Captain Falcon]

Originally Posted by Agathokakological

There's no point of arguing with someone who doesn't provide sufficient proof and just sticks to their opinions. I provided evidence when you did - if your arguments were just "lol pc better", I'm not going to bother giving any sources, or there's no point.

Battery life is better (from reviews I read), the magnetized power cord is great as well.

I find the speed faster when I looking through items on my SSD; even when compared to a similar computer with a regular HHD.

I would have never bought a Thunderbolt Drive; however by moving large amounts of data (around 80 gb) to and from the Mac every day, about 6 times a day, it's very helpful.

I don't care WHERE my computer is made. They use different materials for different computers.


Paying extra for something I highly prefer isn't a bad decision. I'm also used to many of the functions on a Mac. Again - you haven't named anything a PC can do that a Mac can't. I am speaking as a business user - but feel free to give any example. It does have games, I know not nearly as many - that's not important to everyone.

It's like a skipping gramophone needle.

[Agathokakological]

Originally Posted by Captain Falcon

It's like a skipping gramophone needle.

You're right - I might as well be talking to one since I ask questions, and you skip that ones that further your cause.

[Captain Falcon]

Originally Posted by Agathokakological

You're right - I might as well be talking to one since I ask questions, and you skip that ones that further your cause.

Are you retarded? I responded to each and every single line of your posts before you went into full dipshit mode and started regurgitating the same dumb shit. YOU'RE the one that responded selectively and attacked the straw man.

[Snoopy]

terabytes of SSD storage or nothing gtfo with your shit

[Captain Falcon]

Originally Posted by Snoopy

terabytes of SSD storage or nothing gtfo with your shit

pretty big waste at the moment, IMO. Most of our shit's probably just movies, music and photos. a good 7200 drive should be more than sufficient as storage.

[Dread_Lord]

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse....gi?u=macs_cant

This is the kind of shit that confuses Mac users....
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT2466?viewlocale=en_US

[Agathokakological]

Originally Posted by Dread_Lord

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse....gi?u=macs_cant

This is the kind of shit that confuses Mac users....
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT2466?viewlocale=en_US

I've never encouraged someone IRL to get a Mac.

[sapphirescales]

Originally Posted by Agathokakological

I tried getting by on a Tablet

This right there tells you the mentality of Mac people. A tablet to replace a computer. LOL. Anyone stupid enough to eat that shit up needs to be neutered. Macs are overpriced pieces of garbage with an absolutely TERRIBLE OS and very few free options. You have to pay for everything you do on a mac. I wouldn't be surprised if they started charging for moving your mouse or like $1.00 per 300 keystrokes on your keyboard.

Get a desktop. ANY desktop. It doesn't really matter. If you go with an OEM machine (i.e. Mac, Dell, HP, Compaq, Gateway, etc.) it's going to be shit and won't last you very long. But at least if it's a desktop when the cheapo Chinese motherboard blows out it will only be $50 for a replacement.

But your best bet would be to pay a shop to build you a custom computer. You'll save a few bucks and get a machine with a 3 year warranty and tons of great features.

[STD]

Originally Posted by Captain Falcon

He asked whether he should buy a Mac or a PC. We're necessarily going to compare the two.

yeah but you can't compare them without a pissing contest. so i guess same difference

Originally Posted by Agathokakological

1) Macs and PCs are both great; but Mac will cost you more for same specs.

agreed

2) Some prefer one OS X over Windows; some prefer Linux, some prefer Windows. It comes down to what you're going to do with it and what you prefer using.

yeah exactly, fuck, I cannot believe so many people don't understand that. they compare the specs you get for your money, but happen to forget that you don't spend you day stroking you new hardware like it's your dick, you use the fucking OS. and a PC can't run OS X (hackintoshes are different, they involve strict hardware and hacking shit), which is a big factor IF you prefer it to window.

4) If you're not going to upgrade your PC; Mac is fine. I know you CAN upgrade it, but they're less accessible.

certainly, though i'd also say that every Mac Pro and Power Mac G3/G4/G5 is easy as fuck to upgrade or replace stuff. Except for the ones with liquid cooling. They are not fun. Macbooks are pretty easy to fix too, by that I mean the cute white ones.

Apparently the Retina Display Mac is nearly impossible to upgrade.

Yeah
they better not discontinue the normal Pro without at least finding a way to make the retina ones have replaceable memory and hard drive at least. Apple totally rape you with their memory and disk prices...

5) If you want to learn programming, get a PC. this is general; but Applescript is basically useless. I use it a lot, but I have yet to have made a script that is useful to anyone else. It definitely wouldn't be something I would be able to sell.

Applescript is for writing little scripts to automate stuff, I've found that apple's Xcode is awesomely easy to write stuff in C++ or whatever. Not that I'm good with C++, but I can kinda stumble through it

6) They say photography is better on Macs. I completely disagree. There is little difference in most cases.

I tend to... agree here, I think it just comes down to preference. Photoshop, Handbrake, stuff like that, it's all cross platform.

Windows offers user friendliness; you're born knowing how to use a windows interface because it's simple and to the point and is what most hardware and software is written for.

And Macs aren't user friendly? Isn't that what they're for, the dumbass sheep who can't use a computer?
HURHURHUR

Linux is more efficient and controllable and comes with a very Windows-like interface nowadays. It's a great free alternative to Windows if you're feeling like going a step beyond for customization.

Compatibility issues. Not easy to use. You may think so, and hell, even I do, for some things, but fuck, for a nooby grandmother, it's really not going to work out.

OSx, on the other hand, dismisses familiar UI design for shitty and unnecessarily simplistic yet overfeatured single click touch-sensitive mice, weird command shortcuts on the weird keyboard.

The fuck, people still whine about a one buttoned mouse?!

I ebay'd that apple crap out the window straight away, just connected my oldschool logitech or microsoft mouse. Apple's mice suck dick. if you disagree with me... you do too.

It isn't as light as Linux can be, it has less support than windows and genuinely offers not a single advantage to using it aside from hipster cred. Mac is an idiot's platform that survives less because of it's actual utility and quality and more because Apple has an admittedly brilliant marketing campaign.

Not a single advantage? It can run OS X, plus any version of Windows or any distro of linux, through virtualisation. And I've never had any problems dual booting Windows XP/Vista/7, plus apple hand you the drivers (which you can upgrade yourself, overclock etc) so you don't have to deal with the initial setup crap.

PC is fine. And the Retina Display one is literally useless, ass I've shown. It's just more hipster bullshit.

Well it's really fucking sexy. But I've seen one or two on the MBP... not as impressive as it was on the smaller stuff. And yeah performance is going to suck ass. But hey... all technology sucks and costs a shitload when it comes out. props to apple for taking the lead here.

Originally Posted by Agathokakological

I disagree. I have ran OS X for years, same with Windows. I use both on a regular basis, and both work well. I notice you lack any evidence to this claim.

same here, always used both

I have nothing against linux - in fact, I ran it for years. The simple fact is I wanted it to be bit more automated, and I have little use for the customization. I find OS x and Windows enough to get my daily tasks done.

I think you're just an anti-mac fanboy. I can use all three - but OS x does everything the others do, that I do on a regular basis. I don't know why you must insult others who prefer something different - the world would be pretty boring if everyone agreed. The fact is that OS x is very similar to the others. I'm waiting for you to name a few things OS X can't do that the others can - or can't do as well.

QFT baby]

I've said this already. Windows is a more user friendly and accommodating Os. OSx is unnecessary, bloated and shit, though.

If it's bloated then so is windows...you'd be surprised how small you can either either OS if you prune it down right

Anything gets familiar provided you use it enough, but it doesn't change the fact that it deviates for from a very well established UI schema (to which literally all OSes except Mac are made)

lolwut you say this a lot but how so? plus, macs were there first. yeah, maybe xerox beat them, but the beat microsoft to the GUI

First, here's why you're wrong; a "fanboy" would hate something irrationally. I hate OSx and I have a reason for hating OSx (it's unnecessarily partisan, it exists for literally no reason but for Apple to set itself apart. and offers no benefit to the end user).

it exists because apple wanted a newer OS, if anything that applies more to windows, after all the Mac OS was around before Windows, maybe IBM could've just tried to license Mac OS?

OSx is straight inferior to the others. As for examples; how about running a program not made for Lion without Apple having to code background VMs and eating system resources?

What? there is no kind of VM or anything in Lion... lolz, older PowerPC code just won't work. but yes, you need a VM or WINE to run windows stuff... but that's not a bad thing, can Windows run Mac software AT ALL? ok, yeah they can, but it's nowhere near as... user friendly

How about the fact that Macbook Airs start at $999 for an

11 inch screen (1366x768)
64 GB storage
1.7GHz dual-core Intel Core
4GB of DDR3L (hipster DDR3)
Intel HD Graphics 4000

Comparatively, I could buy the Vaio ultrabook for $799 and I'd get a

13.3 inch screen (1366x768)
32GB SSD + 500GB HDD
Intel Core i5-3317U 1.7GHz
4GB DDR3
Intel HD Graphics 4000

I guess you pay for the looks, the awesome engineering.. and the fact that if you prefer OS X to Windows, you're shit out of luck.

- Really expensive software.

torrents, problem solvered.

Originally Posted by Agathokakological

I've never encouraged someone IRL to get a Mac.

i did all the time, when i worked for apple

[Captain Falcon]

Originally Posted by STD

And Macs aren't user friendly? Isn't that what they're for, the dumbass sheep who can't use a computer?
HURHURHUR

No, it's for dumb sheep who don't give a shit about an actual product and actually think that people will seriously look at their overpriced computer and think they're cool and hip.

Compatibility issues. Not easy to use. You may think so, and hell, even I do, for some things, but fuck, for a nooby grandmother, it's really not going to work out.

Compatibility issues are even worse for OSx, seeing as BSD Wine is worth even less of a shit than Linux WINE. Also, usability depends on the distro. Ubunru is dead simple to use and it has a really nice UI. I actually prefer the UI to Windows.

The fuck, people still whine about a one buttoned mouse?!

I ebay'd that apple crap out the window straight away, just connected my oldschool logitech or microsoft mouse. Apple's mice suck dick. if you disagree with me... you do too.

I'm not sure what you see in OSX at this point, the Magic Trackpad is pretty much the centre of the UI since Lion.

Not a single advantage? It can run OS X, plus any version of Windows or any distro of linux, through virtualisation. And I've never had any problems dual booting Windows XP/Vista/7, plus apple hand you the drivers (which you can upgrade yourself, overclock etc) so you don't have to deal with the initial setup crap.

And any given PC can run Hackintosh, what's your point?

And I'm not sure how "upgrading yourself" is an advantage over other PCs, you can update those drivers yourself too. And overclocking has nothing to do with drivers, I can overclock shit from my BIOS without a problem and any intel computer with a turboboost capable chip can just run turbo boost, Mac or otherwise. Also, "initial setup crap"? Are you shitting me? You literally need to do nothing more than insert your setup discs and maybe google for a driver or two that didn't come with your components. In short, this is the same "but I am le tired" crap people hate Macs for in the first place.

Well it's really fucking sexy. But I've seen one or two on the MBP... not as impressive as it was on the smaller stuff. And yeah performance is going to suck ass. But hey... all technology sucks and costs a shitload when it comes out. props to apple for taking the lead here.

No, you will literally never see the difference, it's invisible to the naked eye after about a foot from the screen. It doesn't look any better than a decent 1080p monitor would. It's fucktards llike yourself who look at the background Apple purposely preloads with a variety of vibrant hues to trick you into thinking there's something different about it. There isn't. In fact, a retina display doesn't even cost THAT MUCH. the sole purpose for it's inclusion is that retards like you look at their buzzwords and actually delude themselves into thinking it looks better, when you literally cannot see the difference.

If it's bloated then so is windows...you'd be surprised how small you can either either OS if you prune it down right

No, not at all. As of right now, my PC is using maybe 2GB of my 8GB memory because I have several processes on the fly right now. But the Mac at my workplace running Lion starts up cumgargling at least 2 GB of RAM. Hell, look at the sysreqs for Win7 and Lion.

lolwut you say this a lot but how so? plus, macs were there first. yeah, maybe xerox beat them, but the beat microsoft to the GUI

You know what Windows' market share is and has been for decades? It sits somewhere around 94%. Most Linux distros use the same scheme for the UI, it's a very well established and a tried and tested system that has worked well and will work well for the forseeable future. Also, you're a fucking idiot; MS came first as a company by about a year and co-developed the Apple II's Z80 and they both co-developed Applesoft BASIC. In a lot of ways, MS and Apple are intertwined at their roots, but Steve Jobs still stole that shit from Xerox.

it exists because apple wanted a newer OS, if anything that applies more to windows, after all the Mac OS was around before Windows, maybe IBM could've just tried to license Mac OS?

See above, you're a fucking idiot and Mac OS nowadays isn't Mac OS from 1985.

What? there is no kind of VM or anything in Lion... lolz, older PowerPC code just won't work. but yes, you need a VM or WINE to run windows stuff... but that's not a bad thing, can Windows run Mac software AT ALL? ok, yeah they can, but it's nowhere near as... user friendly

You're a fucking idiot; Lion applications will not run on older versions of OSx and older version applications will not run on Lion. To do so, one needs to use the Baccod VM, eating a metric shit-tonne of resources.

Also, what "Mac Software"? The vast majority of software is written for Windows.

Can OSx run Windows software? Not without BSD Wine, but it's nowhere near as... user friendly (and eats up too many resources and has many, many bugs and is undersupported)

I guess you pay for the looks, the awesome engineering.. and the fact that if you prefer OS X to Windows, you're shit out of luck.

"The awesome engineering"? Please do enlighten me. As I've stated time and again, if you prefer OSx to Windows, your preference is wrong and irrational; preferring something means it does something better, which OSx does not do in any way. Also, Hackintosh if you want to satiate your irrational preference anyway.

torrents, problem solvered.

Yeah and I can technically go and smash-and-grab a PC for FREE and make it a Hackintosh for FREE! Because if we're getting into the illegal, any line you draw past that point is arbitrary.

i did all the time, when i worked for apple

I see your commitment for your gay hipster former employers has not died.

[Agathokakological]

Originally Posted by Captain Falcon

No, it's for dumb sheep who don't give a shit about an actual product and actually think that people will seriously look at their overpriced computer and think they're cool and hip.

This is a generalization. I believe it's wrong. I've never had anyone approach me about my mac in a public forum. I wouldn't want someone to either.

Compatibility issues are even worse for OSx, seeing as BSD Wine is worth even less of a shit than Linux WINE. Also, usability depends on the distro. Ubunru is dead simple to use and it has a really nice UI. I actually prefer the UI to Windows.

Doesn't Ubuntu have a dock?

I'm not sure what you see in OSX at this point, the Magic Trackpad is pretty much the centre of the UI since Lion.

I use a trackpad on a laptop; but it's the same thing. Many people prefer it. Using two fingers = right clicking.

And any given PC can run Hackintosh, what's your point?

I haven't seen an example of one working properly.

And I'm not sure how "upgrading yourself" is an advantage over other PCs, you can update those drivers yourself too. And overclocking has nothing to do with drivers, I can overclock shit from my BIOS without a problem and any intel computer with a turboboost capable chip can just run turbo boost, Mac or otherwise. Also, "initial setup crap"? Are you shitting me? You literally need to do nothing more than insert your setup discs and maybe google for a driver or two that didn't come with your components. In short, this is the same "but I am le tired" crap people hate Macs for in the first place.

Both are equally easy to set up - in most cases. Due to the mass availability of components for Windows, I'd argue this can be harder. I've spent longer searching for Windows drivers than looking for compatibility solutions for the Mac.

No, not at all. As of right now, my PC is using maybe 2GB of my 8GB memory because I have several processes on the fly right now. But the Mac at my workplace running Lion starts up cumgargling at least 2 GB of RAM. Hell, look at the sysreqs for Win7 and Lion.

Maybe I'm looking at the wrong charts; but I'm seeing they're pretty damn similar. Windows wants 25 gb of free space though, which is more than Mac.

You know what Windows' market share is and has been for decades? It sits somewhere around 94%. Most Linux distros use the same scheme for the UI, it's a very well established and a tried and tested system that has worked well and will work well for the forseeable future. Also, you're a fucking idiot; MS came first as a company by about a year and co-developed the Apple II's Z80 and they both co-developed Applesoft BASIC. In a lot of ways, MS and Apple are intertwined at their roots, but Steve Jobs still stole that shit from Xerox.

Market share doesn't always tell you everything.

You're a fucking idiot; Lion applications will not run on older versions of OSx and older version applications will not run on Lion. To do so, one needs to use the Baccod VM, eating a metric shit-tonne of resources.

Everything I've ever used on a Mac has been upgraded to work with Lion. I've been using them for roughly 11 years.

Also, what "Mac Software"? The vast majority of software is written for Windows.

Can OSx run Windows software? Not without BSD Wine, but it's nowhere near as... user friendly (and eats up too many resources and has many, many bugs and is undersupported)

So... [facts completely made up] The vast majority of cars driven in Canada were made in America. Therefore, European cars don't exist.

Just because there is less of something doesn't really mean much. Why do I need 80 different programs for music when the 2-3 that are available all work?

"The awesome engineering"? Please do enlighten me. As I've stated time and again, if you prefer OSx to Windows, your preference is wrong and irrational; preferring something means it does something better, which OSx does not do in any way. Also, Hackintosh if you want to satiate your irrational preference anyway.

No, it means my preference is difference than yours. If I tell you my favourite colour is blue, you can't say "lol no you're dumb red is better".

Yeah and I can technically go and smash-and-grab a PC for FREE and make it a Hackintosh for FREE! Because if we're getting into the illegal, any line you draw past that point is arbitrary.

Agreed.

[broseph]

ASTOUNDING NERD RAGE ITT

[Akagi]

Originally Posted by Dread_Lord

Hey that's cool, do me a favor and convert the following number to base 36.
47200317781

[Mutant Funk Drink]

The whole bad forward/backward compatibility thing with OS X isn't really all that different from the situation present on apt-based linux distros. It's just a bigger issue on OS X because they not only impose more control on it, but there are also greater changes from version to version. You'd be lucky to get a sound/video intense program from 10 years ago on linux without some kind of virtual environment.

[Captain Falcon]

Originally Posted by Agathokakological

This is a generalization. I believe it's wrong. I've never had anyone approach me about my mac in a public forum. I wouldn't want someone to either.

It's not wrong, because there is literally no other reason you would buy a Mac. Unless you're purposely trying to buy a shit PC.

Doesn't Ubuntu have a dock?

You can get one if you so please

I use a trackpad on a laptop; but it's the same thing. Many people prefer it. Using two fingers = right clicking.

two fingers = right clicking is not the issue (even though pressing another button makes a tonne more sense than two fingers + click), this issue is the one button magic trackpad is the center of the entire mac interface as of Lion, including gestures (i.e. worthless bullshit)

I haven't seen an example of one working properly.

Suck less, I guess. As long as you've bought parts that are Mac supported (i.e. Mac parts, but for cheaper than you'd ever actually get while buying a Mac) it'll work just fine. The issue arises when you try to get non-supported parts.

Both are equally easy to set up - in most cases. Due to the mass availability of components for Windows, I'd argue this can be harder. I've spent longer searching for Windows drivers than looking for compatibility solutions for the Mac.

Really? because I've built more computers than most people and all it takes is googling the proper component name. Either it's a generic device with support included straight from windows (disc drivers, card readers etc) or you can google the stuff on your boxes. As for Mac compatibility solutions, that's probably because you're just another kidiot who bought their Mac as a $1000 facebook machine. As someone who works with Autodesk a lot, I can't tell you how many issues you run into with plugins and addons for AD products.

Maybe I'm looking at the wrong charts; but I'm seeing they're pretty damn similar. Windows wants 25 gb of free space though, which is more than Mac.

Look at minimum sysreqs for Lion and Win7

Windows 8 will only require 16GB for installation, more for large updates post-installation.

Market share doesn't always tell you everything.

You're a fucking idiot. What market share tells us is that 94% of the computer using population of the Pale Blue Dot runs windows and is accustomed to Windows like UI.

Everything I've ever used on a Mac has been upgraded to work with Lion. I've been using them for roughly 11 years.

Safari does not count. One prominent example I have to point out is Videogames; even Mac compatible ones don't run with Lion.

So... [facts completely made up] The vast majority of cars driven in Canada were made in America. Therefore, European cars don't exist.

You're a fucking idiot and that's a fucking idiotic analogy.

Just because there is less of something doesn't really mean much. Why do I need 80 different programs for music when the 2-3 that are available all work?

They don't, and when you're looking for program compatibility, even simple shit like Irfanview will fuck up.

No, it means my preference is difference than yours. If I tell you my favourite colour is blue, you can't say "lol no you're dumb red is better".

Your preference for a certain colour definitely stems from a built in biological bias and is also irrational. In this case, Mac presents not even a single advantage to the end user and several disadvantages. It's not even close to being analogous to colour preference.

Agreed.

K

[Agathokakological]

Originally Posted by Captain Falcon

It's not wrong, because there is literally no other reason you would buy a Mac. Unless you're purposely trying to buy a shit PC.

I purposely like getting the OS I want, I want it to run properly, and I feel it runs just as well as Windows. With some scripts I have set up on my Mac, I have it very automated to save me hours of work.

two fingers = right clicking is not the issue (even though pressing another button makes a tonne more sense than two fingers + click), this issue is the one button magic trackpad is the center of the entire mac interface as of Lion, including gestures (i.e. worthless bullshit)

If you decide to set it up (takes about 10 seconds), you can make it that if you click on the right side, it's the same as right clicking.

Gestures actually work very well - and Windows computers often use them to. On a web page and want to to back? Two fingers right. Want to scroll down? Scroll down with two fingers.

Really? because I've built more computers than most people and all it takes is googling the proper component name. Either it's a generic device with support included straight from windows (disc drivers, card readers etc) or you can google the stuff on your boxes. As for Mac compatibility solutions, that's probably because you're just another kidiot who bought their Mac as a $1000 facebook machine. As someone who works with Autodesk a lot, I can't tell you how many issues you run into with plugins and addons for AD products.

I was fixing a friends computer, who has a third-party sound card and third-party bluetooth adapter. She had no idea what brand they were, so it took a while to find them. After I finally figured out what kind they were; it took a while on the web site to even find them. This is one case - I've had many times where it just works as well.

On a mac - I plug it in and it installs itself.

You're a fucking idiot. What market share tells us is that 94% of the computer using population of the Pale Blue Dot runs windows and is accustomed to Windows like UI.

No shit - that's what most people want, and I have no issues/arguments against that. Mac isn't THAT different from Windows, you just have to learn a few name differences. Control panel? System preferences. Windows Explorer? Finder.

They take a valuable few seconds to get used to.

Safari does not count. One prominent example I have to point out is Videogames; even Mac compatible ones don't run with Lion.

I'm more of a business-end user; so games are meaningless in my argument. If you're a gamer - yes, get a PC with Windows and be happy with it. Any software for business/personal use that I need are definitely available. With Steam, there are more games available. It's not something I know a lot about.

You're a fucking idiot and that's a fucking idiotic analogy.

Your point made no sense. No - Macs can't run Windows software. Windows can't run Mac software. There's software for both. In my dock alone, I see about 15 programs.

They don't, and when you're looking for program compatibility, even simple shit like Irfanview will fuck up.

I have no knowledge on Irfanview, but sources say it works on Mac OS X with WineBottler.

Your preference for a certain colour definitely stems from a built in biological bias and is also irrational. In this case, Mac presents not even a single advantage to the end user and several disadvantages. It's not even close to being analogous to colour preference.

I've listed many reasons why I like my Mac better than a PC. Due to your attitude being "no PC is better", you just insult me instead of reading the facts.

[broseph]

these replies are like daisy-chains of ridiculousness.

[Captain Falcon]

Originally Posted by Agathokakological

I purposely like getting the OS I want, I want it to run properly, and I feel it runs just as well as Windows. With some scripts I have set up on my Mac, I have it very automated to save me hours of work.



If you decide to set it up (takes about 10 seconds), you can make it that if you click on the right side, it's the same as right clicking.

Gestures actually work very well - and Windows computers often use them to. On a web page and want to to back? Two fingers right. Want to scroll down? Scroll down with two fingers.



I was fixing a friends computer, who has a third-party sound card and third-party bluetooth adapter. She had no idea what brand they were, so it took a while to find them. After I finally figured out what kind they were; it took a while on the web site to even find them. This is one case - I've had many times where it just works as well.

On a mac - I plug it in and it installs itself.





No shit - that's what most people want, and I have no issues/arguments against that. Mac isn't THAT different from Windows, you just have to learn a few name differences. Control panel? System preferences. Windows Explorer? Finder.

They take a valuable few seconds to get used to.


I'm more of a business-end user; so games are meaningless in my argument. If you're a gamer - yes, get a PC with Windows and be happy with it. Any software for business/personal use that I need are definitely available. With Steam, there are more games available. It's not something I know a lot about.



Your point made no sense. No - Macs can't run Windows software. Windows can't run Mac software. There's software for both. In my dock alone, I see about 15 programs.


I have no knowledge on Irfanview, but sources say it works on Mac OS X with WineBottler.



I've listed many reasons why I like my Mac better than a PC. Due to your attitude being "no PC is better", you just insult me instead of reading the facts.

You must be fucking retarded. You continuously rephrase the same points I keep destroying and I therefore see no reason to continue arguing with a fucktard such as yourself.

[STD]

Originally Posted by Captain Falcon

No, it's for dumb sheep who don't give a shit about an actual product and actually think that people will seriously look at their overpriced computer and think they're cool and hip.

Also FYI random fact, I've used Mac and Windows all my life and I don't hate Windows, just prefer Macs. So I'm not a typical "durr I liek my iPod so I must also by a Mac, in 2008", macfag

Compatibility issues are even worse for OSx, seeing as BSD Wine is worth even less of a shit than Linux WINE. Also, usability depends on the distro. Ubunru is dead simple to use and it has a really nice UI. I actually prefer the UI to Windows.

WINE on OS X can be done, but the Crossover software gives it a nice GUI and lots of compatibility downloads for everything... hell, that's how I played Half Life for the very first time. In 2008 . Sad but true.

And I'm not sure how "upgrading yourself" is an advantage over other PCs, you can update those drivers yourself too. And overclocking has nothing to do with drivers, I can overclock shit from my BIOS without a problem and any intel computer with a turboboost capable chip can just run turbo boost, Mac or otherwise.

True story. On an intel Mac I could use ATI Tool (I think that was it) to overclock the Radeon X1600, and on my even older G5 Mac I can ramp up up the FireGL X3 as far as I want.
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No, you will literally never see the difference, it's invisible to the naked eye after about a foot from the screen. It doesn't look any better than a decent 1080p monitor would. It's fucktards llike yourself who look at the background Apple purposely preloads with a variety of vibrant hues to trick you into thinking there's something different about it

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My monitors are higher than 1080p and I use custom colour calibration.

[quote]There isn't. In fact, a retina display doesn't even cost THAT MUCH. the sole purpose for it's inclusion is that retards like you look at their buzzwords and actually delude themselves into thinking it looks better, when you literally cannot see the difference.
Although I do agree it's overhyped, but I can respect that Apple was the first to start really pushing forward this technology in computers.

[quote]No, not at all. As of right now, my PC is using maybe 2GB of my 8GB memory because I have several processes on the fly right now. But the Mac at my workplace running Lion starts up cumgargling at least 2 GB of RAM. Hell, look at the sysreqs for Win7 and Lion.[quote]
Yeah Lion is a bit bloated with shit, I've shut off most of its' extraneous crap actually, it's amazing how much pretty effects can bog an old computer down... but at least it does scale well down to low memory machines, it likes to expand as much as it can to be as efficient as it can.

but Steve Jobs still stole that shit from Xerox.

Xerox got fucking owned.

See above, you're a fucking idiot and Mac OS nowadays isn't Mac OS from 1985.

No... it's taken from tech developed at nextstep... made by steve jobs (who is basically a fucking human apple), and yes, they stole unix code, lolz win

You're a fucking idiot; Lion applications will not run on older versions of OSx and older version applications will not run on Lion.

lolwut?

THe only things it won't run are Power PC coded *only* applications... nearly everything was updated or upgraded or has a new version. Does piss me off though that I can't play Diablo 2. FUCK. But yeah, it plays the Windows version with WINE/Crossover like a charm.

Also, what "Mac Software"? The vast majority of software is written for Windows.

Ironically the catergory of "Mac software" started out including MS Word and Photoshop.

[quote]Can OSx run Windows software? Not without BSD Wine, but it's nowhere near as... user friendly (and eats up too many resources and has many, many bugs and is undersupported)
Yeah probably, but Codeweavers Crossover (although commercial) has a lot of support, it even managed to run most things for me back in 2007.

I see your commitment for your gay hipster former employers has not died.

Nah I quit because Apple used to maybe be cool and laid back, but now it's actually really strict and they're like emos, brainwashed into acting the same kind of "different", aka faggot hipster.

Originally Posted by Agathokakological

This is a generalization. I believe it's wrong. I've never had anyone approach me about my mac in a public forum. I wouldn't want someone to either.

Neither.

I haven't seen an example of one working properly.

Yeah it's not exactly a cakewalk making that magic happen.

Both are equally easy to set up - in most cases. Due to the mass availability of components for Windows, I'd argue this can be harder. I've spent longer searching for Windows drivers than looking for compatibility solutions for the Mac.

Actually I agree with this, with a Mac it's at least cut and dry, either it works, it doesn't work, or it works with some kind of hack, with Windows, it adds the extra option of "says it works but doesn't and then who knows WTF is going on"

Maybe I'm looking at the wrong charts; but I'm seeing they're pretty damn similar. Windows wants 25 gb of free space though, which is more than Mac.

I got 10.6 pruned down to 4.5GB, and I got 10.5 running on 466MHz 2001 computers. <3

Market share doesn't always tell you everything.

Exactly, that's like bashing Ferrari for having 0.1% of the car marketplace or something.

Everything I've ever used on a Mac has been upgraded to work with Lion. I've been using them for roughly 11 years.

And if they aren't then they're very fucking old, and therefore WINE/Crossover will run them like a champ.

Just because there is less of something doesn't really mean much. Why do I need 80 different programs for music when the 2-3 that are available all work?

Unfortunately with the rise of the app store there are now more mediocre developer releasing shit than ever

No, it means my preference is difference than yours. If I tell you my favourite colour is blue, you can't say "lol no you're dumb red is better".

Touche.

Suck less, I guess. As long as you've bought parts that are Mac supported (i.e. Mac parts, but for cheaper than you'd ever actually get while buying a Mac) it'll work just fine. The issue arises when you try to get non-supported parts.

Mac parts? Intel CPUs, WD disks, Crucial memory, etc etc. my Mac right now is running a PC ATI Fire GL X3. And it's 8 years old.

Really? because I've built more computers than most people and all it takes is googling the proper component name. Either it's a generic device with support included straight from windows (disc drivers, card readers etc) or you can google the stuff on your boxes.

Same with a Mac. Although most Mac users don't know how to find the hardware name of the component.

They don't, and when you're looking for program compatibility, even simple shit like Irfanview will fuck up.

Never heard of it. And Macs will have something that does the same thing at least as well.

Gestures actually work very well - and Windows computers often use them to. On a web page and want to to back? Two fingers right. Want to scroll down? Scroll down with two fingers.

Hell yeah.

I'm more of a business-end user; so games are meaningless in my argument. If you're a gamer - yes, get a PC with Windows and be happy with it. Any software for business/personal use that I need are definitely available. With Steam, there are more games available. It's not something I know a lot about.

Yup, for proper gaming I do use Windows.

[Auschwitz Nazi Disneyland]

Originally Posted by STD

No... it's taken from tech developed at nextstep... made by steve jobs (who is basically a fucking human apple), and yes, they stole unix code, lolz win

not going to bother reading the rest, but almost EVERYTHING was directly lifted from the FreeBSD team... they just don't give a fuck about copyright, which I respect

[King Owl]

Macbook.

[STD]

Originally Posted by Auschwitz Nazi Disneyland

not going to bother reading the rest, but almost EVERYTHING was directly lifted from the FreeBSD team... they just don't give a fuck about copyright, which I respect

Nah it all came from my drunken mind....

Also, do you mean that you respect copyright, or don't respect people who disregard copyright?

[Auschwitz Nazi Disneyland]

Originally Posted by STD

Also, do you mean that you respect copyright, or don't respect people who disregard copyright?

The *BSD teams use their own BSD copyright which is basically 'do whatever you want with our code, we don't give a fuck'

*oh and I meant the nextstep platform was almost totally lifted from freebsd

[Captain Falcon]

Originally Posted by STD

My monitors are higher than 1080p and I use custom colour calibration.

Assuming you have a larger screen, a higher resolution makes sense. On a 15 inch screen, it makes NO sense from either a performance or visual perspective. And if you want a high res screen on a desktop, you can buy SO many more affordable solutions. The cheapest Mac with a more-than-1080p monitor is $1700.

The mac:

2.7GHz Quad-Core Intel Core i5
2560 x 1440 resolution (27")
4GB (two 2GB) memory
1TB hard drive1
AMD Radeon HD 6770M with 512MB
No optical drive
shitty fucking keyboard and mouse from apple

Those specs are fucking hilarious. Seriously.

Here's a PC with the same price:

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/bGtK

Needless to ssay, it heel-drops the Mac into a coma with a faster proc, twice the RAM and 8 times the VRAM (and if you want tweaks, you can alter the ridiculously OP 4 GB crossfired 7770s)

Although I do agree it's overhyped, but I can respect that Apple was the first to start really pushing forward this technology in computers.

It's not "overhyped" it's fucking USELESS. It's not pushing forward any techology worth a shit. A laptop will never need a resolution higher than 1080p because our eyes can't distinguish it from a regular viewing distance. This isn't one of those statements I'll be eating 10 years from now like Bill Gates saying 256 MB RAM is all we'll ever need. No, our eyes are literally the limit for this. It's like those stupid 7200 DPI gaming mice; our hands can't twitch in small enough motions to use 7200 dots in a fucking inch, it's a limitation on OUR hardware.

Yeah Lion is a bit bloated with shit, I've shut off most of its' extraneous crap actually, it's amazing how much pretty effects can bog an old computer down... but at least it does scale well down to low memory machines, it likes to expand as much as it can to be as efficient as it can.

It's not efficient ever. I never have to turn off Aero because my machine can't handle 5 windows at once with it on. That's never happened.

Xerox got fucking owned.

Not really the point

No... it's taken from tech developed at nextstep... made by steve jobs (who is basically a fucking human apple), and yes, they stole unix code, lolz win

LOL. Also they didn't "steal Unix code" you dumb faggot. They took Unix philosophy i.e. "write software that does one thing well".

lolwut?

THe only things it won't run are Power PC coded *only* applications... nearly everything was updated or upgraded or has a new version. Does piss me off though that I can't play Diablo 2. FUCK. But yeah, it plays the Windows version with WINE/Crossover like a charm.

Again, safari and Autodesk aren't the hard limit for software. Windows runs everything fine and you don't need to update your software every few years to make it not just break.

Ironically the catergory of "Mac software" started out including MS Word and Photoshop.

Stop living in 1985. There's barely any "Mac Software" around at all. Everything is coded for Windows.

Yeah probably, but Codeweavers Crossover (although commercial) has a lot of support, it even managed to run most things for me back in 2007.

Don't need that broken bullshit.

Nah I quit because Apple used to maybe be cool and laid back, but now it's actually really strict and they're like emos, brainwashed into acting the same kind of "different", aka faggot hipster.

I repeat; I see that your commitment to your gay hipster former employers has not died.

Actually I agree with this, with a Mac it's at least cut and dry, either it works, it doesn't work, or it works with some kind of hack, with Windows, it adds the extra option of "says it works but doesn't and then who knows WTF is going on"

100% vague bullshit, 0% sensible.

Exactly, that's like bashing Ferrari for having 0.1% of the car marketplace or something.

You're a fucking idiot, that analogy isn't even halfway correct. Ferrari isn't selling underperforming cars with a shiny case for extra cost and Ferrari isn't using octagonal wheels for no reason other than to be partisan, so you have to specially develop octagonal wheels to work with Ferraris/

And if they aren't then they're very fucking old, and therefore WINE/Crossover will run them like a champ.

Again, 100% horseshit. Even simple shit like Irfanview ends up shitting on GIF compression. Autodesk wares run like steaming piles of shit, for example.

Touche.

Already addressed, fuck you

Mac parts? Intel CPUs, WD disks, Crucial memory, etc etc. my Mac right now is running a PC ATI Fire GL X3. And it's 8 years old.

Fuck-king retaaaaaaaard. The point was that as long as you have the same parts as are supported on regular macs, hackintosh will run A+

Same with a Mac. Although most Mac users don't know how to find the hardware name of the component.

i.e. Mac isn't really any easier to set up? You concede?

Never heard of it. And Macs will have something that does the same thing at least as well.

A) You're a fucking retard if you haven't even heard of irfanview
B) iPhoto does not will not ever handle GIFs like Irfanview can.

Hell yeah

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Not at all and gestures work with Windows but are nowhere near the central focus of the UI like Lion. It's one thing to be able to use gestures, a whole other to have your OS based around your shitty magic trackpad. On top of that, most Windows gestures are implemented on a case-by-case basis by the brand. For example, my Vaio laptop has no "back" gesture while my old Qosmio has a whole background launcher on the touchpad.

Yup, for proper gaming I do use Windows.

Again, the argument here was that "it meets my needs", not "it's superior" in any fucking way i.e. his preference for it is irrational and fucking retarded since it costs a couple hundred bucks to get his irrational preference.

[STD]

Originally Posted by Auschwitz Nazi Disneyland

The *BSD teams use their own BSD copyright which is basically 'do whatever you want with our code, we don't give a fuck'

*oh and I meant the nextstep platform was almost totally lifted from freebsd

Yeah OK, I'm fine with stealing though

Originally Posted by Captain Falcon

Assuming you have a larger screen, a higher resolution makes sense. On a 15 inch screen, it makes NO sense from either a performance or visual perspective. And if you want a high res screen on a desktop, you can buy SO many more affordable solutions. The cheapest Mac with a more-than-1080p monitor is $1700.

True, I did see a retina MBP recently and although it was pretty, it wasn't mind blowing... and at that, it was running Apple-only stuff, handpicked for their demos. I hate to think how playing any kind of modern game would be.

The mac:

2.7GHz Quad-Core Intel Core i5
2560 x 1440 resolution (27")
4GB (two 2GB) memory
1TB hard drive1
AMD Radeon HD 6770M with 512MB
No optical drive
shitty fucking keyboard and mouse from apple

Those specs are fucking hilarious. Seriously.

Here's a PC with the same price:

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/bGtK

I totally agree with you. But if you want to run OS X painlessly and easily, you have to pay up or you're left out in the cold.

I've never paid more than $400 for a Mac. That was a 2008 Macbook, which I stuck an SSD in. Next most expensive was an 8 year old tower for $150. I'm not dumb enough to buy a Mac brand new, I'd only do that if I were filthy rich.

Look, I like Macs but I'm not some macfag, I know where they suck, but I prefer them so I've made a point to work a way around any crap Apple brings out. I like Macs for everyday shit, Windows for games, and Backtrack linux when I really need to borrow someone elses' internets

It's not "overhyped" it's fucking USELESS. It's not pushing forward any techology worth a shit.

LCDs used to be so much more expensive I used to think "why fucking bother?", but now, they're the standard.

A laptop will never need a resolution higher than 1080p because our eyes can't distinguish it from a regular viewing distance. This isn't one of those statements I'll be eating 10 years from now like Bill Gates saying 256 MB RAM is all we'll ever need. No, our eyes are literally the limit for this.

Our eyes max out around 30 megapixels, apparently. Got a way to go yet.

It's not efficient ever. I never have to turn off Aero because my machine can't handle 5 windows at once with it on. That's never happened.

I like Aero, I remember running it four year ago on a Macbook Pro. Weirdly enough it ran CS: Source slower than it did under XP... and yes, I used NVIDIAs' drivers.

Only reason I turn it off on my Mac is because it's nearly a decade old.

Again, safari and Autodesk aren't the hard limit for software. Windows runs everything fine and you don't need to update your software every few years to make it not just break.

Neither.... also, I hate safari.

Stop living in 1985. There's barely any "Mac Software" around at all. Everything is coded for Windows.

And a Mac can run anything Windows, with WINE/Crossover (which is easy AND compatible.)

You're a fucking idiot, that analogy isn't even halfway correct. Ferrari isn't selling underperforming cars with a shiny case for extra cost and Ferrari isn't using octagonal wheels for no reason other than to be partisan, so you have to specially develop octagonal wheels to work with Ferraris/

wait... isn't the Ariel Atom faster AND cheaper than a Ferrari?

Yeah, but it looks like as compared to one. See where I'm going?

Fuck-king retaaaaaaaard. The point was that as long as you have the same parts as are supported on regular macs, hackintosh will run A+

Once you get it running yeah, that's why I plan to build one.

i.e. Mac isn't really any easier to set up? You concede?

It depends if you like the default Apple/Microsoft settings... my PCs have always had more special hardware and I hate Apple babysitting me, so both ways I have to do shit. With Windows, it's more about finding drivers and making them work right, with Apple, it's disabling any bullshit designed for newbies that I don't need

A) You're a fucking retard if you haven't even heard of irfanview

Hear of it, can't remember what it is.

B) iPhoto does not will not ever handle GIFs like Irfanview can.

iphoto sucks.

I got Photoshop and Preview.

Not at all and gestures work with Windows but are nowhere near the central focus of the UI like Lion. It's one thing to be able to use gestures, a whole other to have your OS based around your shitty magic trackpad. On top of that, most Windows gestures are implemented on a case-by-case basis by the brand. For example, my Vaio laptop has no "back" gesture while my old Qosmio has a whole background launcher on the touchpad.

Lion isn't though... the one computer i have that runs it doesn't even support most of that crap. And yeah it's tweakable to however you like it, it just isn't always as obvious as with windows, possibly because as a percentage, Mac users are generally less likely to know jack shit about computers.

Again, the argument here was that "it meets my needs", not "it's superior" in any fucking way i.e. his preference for it is irrational and fucking retarded since it costs a couple hundred bucks to get his irrational preference.

Again, I paid $150 for my main computer, maxed out the memory, put a big HD in, put a PC video card in and then 10 more USB ports... etc, the laptop was about $400, and then an SSD and 6GB memory, faster wireless... Macs become pretty good valuewise when you consider them 5 years down the road.

[Dfg]

SSD's are fail. Google SSD failure and you will understand what I am saying. I hate Macs now. I used to adore them but Apple is a giantic FUCKTARD Company the products are shitty at best if compared by price. I would prefer building my own system.

Plus you can use Mac OSX on your Intel based system anyway.

[Captain Falcon]

Originally Posted by STD

I totally agree with you. But if you want to run OS X painlessly and easily, you have to pay up or you're left out in the cold.

While I could repeat myself yet again, I know that arguing with you on this point simply won't be fruitful, as you just don't want to listen to reason.

I've never paid more than $400 for a Mac. That was a 2008 Macbook, which I stuck an SSD in. Next most expensive was an 8 year old tower for $150. I'm not dumb enough to buy a Mac brand new, I'd only do that if I were filthy rich.

Le Fucking Sigh, I don't think you get the point.

Look, I like Macs but I'm not some macfag, I know where they suck, but I prefer them so I've made a point to work a way around any crap Apple brings out. I like Macs for everyday shit, Windows for games, and Backtrack linux when I really need to borrow someone elses' internets

another le fucking sigh, I'm not arguing this same shit for the umpteenth time.

LCDs used to be so much more expensive I used to think "why fucking bother?", but now, they're the standard.

You. Are. A. Fucking. Retard.

LCDs are now the standard because not only can they run in digital properly, but they don't need huge tubes in the back, are much lighter, cheaper to make and don't need to expand backwards as the expand in screen size annd resolution. On a 15 inch notebook, your eye can literally not see that resolution past about a foot away from the screen. It's useless.

Our eyes max out around 30 megapixels, apparently. Got a way to go yet.

You're a fucking retard. Our eyes aren't measured in megapixels, pixels are the units of light that appear on a monitor that actually uses pixels. The closest equicalent would be the smallest degree of detail we can see, which, again, depends on distance. The reason why Retina displays exist on iPhones is because you're necessarily closer to the screen and Apple wanted you to not see all the jaggies when you're up close. On a 15 inch screen, you will literally never see the difference from more than about a foot or two away.

I like Aero, I remember running it four year ago on a Macbook Pro. Weirdly enough it ran CS: Source slower than it did under XP... and yes, I used NVIDIAs' drivers.

Are you sure you weren't playing CSS on a calculator? Because even standard netbooks can run CSS at competitive GFX settings.

Only reason I turn it off on my Mac is because it's nearly a decade old.

Uh, okay? I never said anything about turning the PC off.

Neither.... also, I hate safari.

Whatever.

And a Mac can run anything Windows, with WINE/Crossover (which is easy AND compatible.)

No, and WINE and Crossover run Windows programs like shit on the already gimped hardware.

wait... isn't the Ariel Atom faster AND cheaper than a Ferrari?

Generally, when one buys a Ferrari, they buy it because they want a fast and street legal car that doesn't make you look like a fucking retard. Nobody buys this shit to drive around in:

Yeah, but it looks like as compared to one. See where I'm going?

What? As I already said, that's not even a proper fucking analogy. Is the Ariel Atom here an IBM Watson server? The Mac is in no way comparable to a Ferrari because Ferraris deliver top of the line performance and actually sell to very select drivers who arrive with recommendations, as opposed to Macs, which deliver subpar performance and sell to every shitty college student who just wants a $1000 facebook machine. Your entire argument is based on making shitty, incorrect analogies in an attempt to illustrate your shitty, incorrect point.

Once you get it running yeah, that's why I plan to build one.

K

It depends if you like the default Apple/Microsoft settings... my PCs have always had more special hardware and I hate Apple babysitting me, so both ways I have to do shit. With Windows, it's more about finding drivers and making them work right, with Apple, it's disabling any bullshit designed for newbies that I don't need

Again, I don't see the rocket science in just downloading the latest drivers for your components.

Hear of it, can't remember what it is.

Noob

iphoto sucks.

I got Photoshop and Preview.

Photoshop is a paid software and on Windows I could just download Irfanview. Lol umad?

Lion isn't though... the one computer i have that runs it doesn't even support most of that crap. And yeah it's tweakable to however you like it, it just isn't always as obvious as with windows, possibly because as a percentage, Mac users are generally less likely to know jack shit about computers.

No

Again, I paid $150 for my main computer, maxed out the memory, put a big HD in, put a PC video card in and then 10 more USB ports... etc, the laptop was about $400, and then an SSD and 6GB memory, faster wireless... Macs become pretty good valuewise when you consider them 5 years down the road.

K

[STD]

Originally Posted by Dfg

SSD's are fail. Google SSD failure and you will understand what I am saying. I hate Macs now. I used to adore them but Apple is a giantic FUCKTARD Company the products are shitty at best if compared by price. I would prefer building my own system.

Plus you can use Mac OSX on your Intel based system anyway.

SSDs are the win

[Captain Falcon]

I have an SSD as my boot drive and a 7200 2 TB as my storage drive, so my PC is zippy as fuck

[Dread_Lord]

Originally Posted by Dfg

SSD's are fail. Google SSD failure and you will understand what I am saying. I hate Macs now. I used to adore them but Apple is a giantic FUCKTARD Company the products are shitty at best if compared by price. I would prefer building my own system.

Plus you can use Mac OSX on your Intel based system anyway.

Intel SSD's are really reliable with 5 year warranty. Plus they are among the fastest drives.
As one guy put it, yes they're still unstable, but they're still worth it because they're putting out like 500 mb/s sequential read/write with Sata III. That's over double what a 10,000 RPM would put out.
They're one of the best upgrades you can make for a computer.

[Snoopy]

Originally Posted by Dread_Lord

Intel SSD's are really reliable with 5 year warranty. Plus they are among the fastest drives.
As one guy put it, yes they're still unstable, but they're still worth it because they're putting out like 500 mb/s sequential read/write with Sata III. That's over double what a 10,000 RPM would put out.
They're one of the best upgrades you can make for a computer.

Samsung is where it's at nowadays.