Astral Projection

[L33tz]

Help me learn to astral project.

Where do I start?

Can i use it for evil? (I'm not kidding)

also:

Astral Projection - Mahadeva 2010 (Salvador Ali Remix) - YouTube

Astral Projection - Mahadeva 2010 (Salvador Ali Remix) - YouTube
Video: click to display

[NamelessNom4d]

Originally Posted by L33tz

Can i use it for evil? (I'm not kidding)

also:
Astral Projection - Mahadeva 2010 (Salvador Ali Remix) - YouTube

Don't think so, I'm pretty sure having that train of thought will keep you from projecting properly. The astral planes are not the realm of what we call evil here.

fuckin awesome song though.

[Zanick]

There are two main starting points, but first you have to decide your method: projection from a lucid dream, or from a waking state.

If you want to lucid dream first you'll need to keep a dream journal until you can remember at least 5-6 dreams (preferably all of them) a night, and if it's your thing take some vitamin B6/melatonin/calea zacatechichi/whatever supplements help you. When you can have lucid dreams on command you're doing great and then you'll want to project. Personally I've never done it this way, so I can't tell you how to get out there but the idea IIRC is that your dreams already take place in the astral realm.

Admittedly, I'm much better at the second method, projecting from a waking state. This means holding out in your theta brainwaves while retaining your awareness. You'll need to meditate; I recommend laying down flat (I do it on my floor) or with your head slightly elevated. Slow your breathing down and hold a steady rhythm, then relax your entire body. This can be accomplished either by consciously visualizing each body part relaxing individually, or (what I often like to do) imagine yourself floating on top of a pool of water. It takes practice to be able to do this by intent alone. Once you're completely relaxed, you should be ready to enter the vibration phase. You'll know it when you're there, it's fucking weird. Eventually you should be able to control the vibrations in your body, and this is probably when you'll be able to get out. Or you'll just know when it's time.

There are quite a few methods for getting out. Some people have no trouble with it at all. Sometimes I'll imagine myself sinking upward into a pool of water over my body. Others will climb a rope that leads them out, this method is very popular. I think Spacecase once mentioned an effective way in which you pretend you're skiing until you're launched out. Some people claim get help from other entities. More methods can be found in books, and there are loads of them.

Reading material that should help includes Robert Monroe, Robert Bruce, Emanuel Swedenborg, and lots of others that I can't remember right now. Just google it, really, you'll find a ton of authors.

If you're too lazy to do all this, use binaural tones or something. This video is the best I've found so far, I get results every time:

Astral Projection Guided Meditation (*EASY*) Oobe w/ Binaural Vibrations - YouTube

Astral Projection Guided Meditation (*EASY*) Oobe w/ Binaural Vibrations - YouTube
Video: click to display

As for the evil part, I really don't know or care, just do what you want.

[Zok Jr.]

You idiots talk about this like its something you can actually do. Grow up and stop using your imagination so much dumb fucking faggots.

[Zanick]

Originally Posted by Zok Jr.

You idiots talk about this like its something you can actually do. Grow up and stop using your imagination so much dumb fucking faggots.

Roughly one in ten people report at least one conscious, spontaneous out-of-body experience in their life, it's not so rare. Have you ever had one?

[ArmsMerchant]

^I'm guessing that he is too busy 1) playing video games and 2) trying to insult folks who know more than he does.

[Zanick]

I don't know that much about him, I'm just curious to see if he's familiar with the subject at hand. It's not so uncommon a phenomena, and I've been finding that it's not as difficult as I thought in the past.

@ Zok Jr. if you try this for a bit I think you'll find yourself quite successful, with some persistence at least. You don't even have to invest so much time if that's an issue, just focus on your breath when you're going sleep and you're already part of the way there. Whether or not you go the full distance is up to you, and even if you decide it's not real then you at least will experience some health benefits from being able to put yourself to sleep whenever you want.

[dephdiddy]

i was visiting my grandma one time after not being there for a long time, i dreamt i was looking at her bookshelf...

next day i woke up, and they were the same books I dreamt about...

I was 11.

[Zok Jr.]

Originally Posted by zanick

Roughly one in ten people report at least one conscious, spontaneous out-of-body experience in their life, it's not so rare. Have you ever had one?

Yeah and a lot more than one in ten people are below average intelligence.

Originally Posted by ArmsMerchant

^I'm guessing that he is too busy 1) playing video games and 2) trying to insult folks who know more than he does.

You know what I'm not even going to say anything mean to you because you could die any day and I don't want to be on bad terms with ya when you finally kick the bucket.

Originally Posted by zanick

I don't know that much about him, I'm just curious to see if he's familiar with the subject at hand. It's not so uncommon a phenomena, and I've been finding that it's not as difficult as I thought in the past.

@ Zok Jr. if you try this for a bit I think you'll find yourself quite successful, with some persistence at least. You don't even have to invest so much time if that's an issue, just focus on your breath when you're going sleep and you're already part of the way there. Whether or not you go the full distance is up to you, and even if you decide it's not real then you at least will experience some health benefits from being able to put yourself to sleep whenever you want.

See the thing is I don't have schizophrenia or other severe mental conditions so this shit simply will not work for me unless I take a whole bunch of psychedelics.

[Zanick]

Originally Posted by Zok Jr.

Yeah and a lot more than one in ten people are below average intelligence.

See the thing is I don't have schizophrenia or other severe mental conditions so this shit simply will not work for me unless I take a whole bunch of psychedelics.

I see where you're coming from. For years I couldn't do it and rationalized this with disbelief, even going so far as to tell myself that people who can do it are simply insane, or even of lower intelligence than myself. In the end it was devaluing the experience of others when I couldn't really fathom it to begin with, just to make myself feel better when I didn't have the patience to really view things from another perspective. I understand where your skepticism comes from, but I've also learned a lot about myself and the world around me by suspending the urge to deny. You can always have fun with it, should you ever decide to venture into a spiritual pursuit. You don't have to believe anything you don't want to.

Why else would you enter this thread, if not because the topic interests you somewhat?

[bortmackie]

I've always been interested in astral projection, but i can never tell if they're a legit phenomena or some sort of weird self-delusions.

[Zanick]

Originally Posted by bortmackie

I've always been interested in astral projection, but i can never tell if they're a legit phenomena or some sort of weird self-delusions.

The scientific community has not concluded either necessarily. They happen, but why and how is a personal matter. Honestly no amount of reading is going to tell you what is real or what isn't, and rightfully so. The truth is yours to find, nobody can tell you what is is. You'll have to decide for yourself, it all comes with experience.

[tuer502gt]

I know how to do this and more and I am not helping you. Can you use it for evil? Wtf.

[Zok Jr.]

Originally Posted by zanick

I see where you're coming from. For years I couldn't do it and rationalized this with disbelief, even going so far as to tell myself that people who can do it are simply insane, or even of lower intelligence than myself. In the end it was devaluing the experience of others when I couldn't really fathom it to begin with, just to make myself feel better when I didn't have the patience to really view things from another perspective. I understand where your skepticism comes from, but I've also learned a lot about myself and the world around me by suspending the urge to deny. You can always have fun with it, should you ever decide to venture into a spiritual pursuit. You don't have to believe anything you don't want to.

Why else would you enter this thread, if not because the topic interests you somewhat?

I entered it to make fun of you crazy-ass hippies.

[SoulButter]

The ignorance is strong in this one

[Zok Jr.]

Originally Posted by SoulButter

The ignorance is strong in this one

Yep, "ignorance." Is that what hippies call science these days?

[Zanick]

So. Getting back to discussion.

Personally I've trained myself to do it at will and can get out of body, but I have trouble with maintaining a reasonable level of awareness once I'm out. At least I can do it almost on a daily basis though, that's a good sign that I'm making progress at least in one direction. Generally I'll just be stuck close to my body wherever I happen to land, often this means I get planted on the opposite side of the room or if I'm particularly successful, the driveway

More recently I found myself on a much shorter leash than I'm used to, and although I'm just a few feet over my physical body I enjoy myself doing backflips and other things I can't do otherwise. But a week ago when I got out there was something in the room with me... something BIG, dark and frightening is all I remember. That's only happened on one other occasion, although in that case I wasn't fully out and that's why this incident is more concerning, as I have less reason to suspect mere hypnogogia.

As I practice more I find recollection and awareness to be somehow correlated. OP, whether you do the lucid dream induction or waking to projection directly, I highly recommend you keep a dream journal. This will increase your dream recall, and if I'm right, your awareness during dreams/AP.

Does anybody else have personal experiences they'd like to share?

[NamelessNom4d]

Originally Posted by Zok Jr.

Yep, "ignorance." Is that what hippies call science these days?

Zok Jr. there are actually quite a lot of scientific studies on this phenomenon, it's just very difficult to study and science can't very well explain why it happens. It's the same reason why dreams are not very well understood.

Either way, I've only successfully done it once and it scared the shit out of me once I realized I was out of my body, haven't done it since. I think I might get back into it though.

If you've ever tried hypnosis or trance meditation you can go from there, I'm sure you'll be able to do it if you practice and it will probably freak you the fuck out like what happened to me.

[benny vader]

Originally Posted by Zok Jr.

You idiots talk about this like its something you can actually do. Grow up and stop using your imagination so much dumb fucking faggots.

Pls shut up if you don;t know what your talking about and save us from your ignorance.

FYI, if only you had scrolled down to the end of this page and looked at the ''similar threads'' box, there's a thread in there that'd said it out pretty well how this can be done.

Read it.

[Zok Jr.]

Originally Posted by NamelessNom4d

Zok Jr. there are actually quite a lot of scientific studies on this phenomenon, it's just very difficult to study and science can't very well explain why it happens. It's the same reason why dreams are not very well understood.

Either way, I've only successfully done it once and it scared the shit out of me once I realized I was out of my body, haven't done it since. I think I might get back into it though.

If you've ever tried hypnosis or trance meditation you can go from there, I'm sure you'll be able to do it if you practice and it will probably freak you the fuck out like what happened to me.

Can you post any of these studies? I am sure any scientific studies done on this would have no other conclusion other than that this is total bullshit.

Originally Posted by benny vader

Pls shut up if you don;t know what your talking about and save us from your ignorance.

FYI, if only you had scrolled down to the end of this page and looked at the ''similar threads'' box, there's a thread in there that'd said it out pretty well how this can be done.

Read it.

Go do some more meth

[Rust]

Originally Posted by zanick

Personally I've trained myself to do it at will and can get out of body, but I have trouble with maintaining a reasonable level of awareness once I'm out. At least I can do it almost on a daily basis though, that's a good sign that I'm making progress at least in one direction. Generally I'll just be stuck close to my body wherever I happen to land, often this means I get planted on the opposite side of the room or if I'm particularly successful, the driveway

What is it that you claim to do? Have an out-of-body experience akin to a hallucionation, or actually be able to project yourself/soul/aura/whatever in such a manner that you can see (real) things from outside your body?

Because out of body experiences are well documented. Bur "Astral Projection" (which implies an astral plane where your soul/whatever gets to travel and you can gather information about the world remotely) has failed experiments every single time.

[Zanick]

Originally Posted by Rust

What is it that you claim to do? Have an out-of-body experience akin to a hallucionation, or actually be able to project yourself/soul/aura/whatever in such a manner that you can see (real) things from outside your body?

Because out of body experiences are well documented. Bur "Astral Projection" (which implies an astral plane where your soul/whatever gets to travel and you can gather information about the world remotely) has failed experiments every single time.

I've never found a credible, scientific authority using the term astral projection and I'd be wary of any that do unless they have damn good reason. I actually much prefer to say out-of-body experience but it's somewhat inconvenient to type out, and it limits the number of people who can relate to it as astral projection appears to be the common terminology. But generally I consider them the same thing, with the main differences being your level of control over the experience.

This is because I'm uncomfortable with words like "astral" and "travel" and to some extent "projection" because they make broad-reaching assumptions about reality and I have no real evidence for them. Actually, this agnosticism might be why I kind of suck at doing it.

Anyway, I guess my claim is that I can intentionally 'leave my body', or something resembling such a phenomenon. I have yet to do much moving around or information gathering, so I tend to avoid making assumptions or forming beliefs about the prospect. At times I've perceived things nearby, both before and after the supposed exit. I've also experienced sleep paralysis, though I'm not sure what to think of that. There isn't any good reason I can expect to see what I've seen, not a scientific one anyway. Mostly I just hear about it from my neurologists or read books saying, "Oh, well that's just the kind of stuff that happens when you're falling asleep. It's common and normal." but I want to know why.

[Figure-8]

Zok can do it, you just have to crush the attitude/ego, it will make you do something crazy as soon as you flip out because you realized you are in control of an entire dream world and this is actually more possible and more exciting than one would think...

Anyone can do it.

Yes, there are dreams. Just like thoughts and daydreams. There are lucid dreams, purely reactionary dreams, prophetic dreams, exploration and travel, meetings and healing sessions, past life experiences or memories (earlier this life or before).

You will always get a challenge. You will sometimes get more than you bargained for. And mostly you will experience having to make it work, using your mind, because the dream "stage" is just a prop.

[Zanick]

I did it. And it was easy.

I've gotten out of body before, but never so completely. My results were always limited because I forced the experience. But a few minutes ago, I woke up and realized I was paralyzed. I figured this would be the best time, and I went through the usual motions of straining my brain like I'm trying to squeeze out a long, fat one. Instead of continuing with this idiocy, I thought, maybe I can just... let go, make it a light flick, like blowing a feather up in the air.

Before I knew it, my head was through the painting on the wall next to me. I figured out how to move quickly, but I wasn't proficient by any standard. It's all about thought, that's how you move. Just will yourself in a general direction. I was thrown through walls and doors and once, a piano. It feels a little strange going through solid objects, but the sensation isn't unbearable. My sister was walking out the door to a taxi waiting for her in the driveway. I harassed the family dog until I was satisfied she really couldn't see me. Unfortunately I woke up as I tried to go outside my house, I'd say the whole experience lasted about thirty seconds to a minute. Next time should go better: I'll move farther, faster, higher, and deeper.

I woke up to my sister packing for a trip out-of-state, she wants cash for a cap fare For some reason I got the impression it was some time between 4:21 and 5:17, and I have no idea where those numbers came from because I came out of it around 2:55. I am very curious though, as she is taking a taxi. While it's likely I had forgotten about her trip, instead subconsciously recalling a mental image of what I anticipate to be her departure during a lucid dream, I will be certain to check the time she leaves. Also, I distinctly remember my dog's position on the couch so this will hopefully lend me another tool by which to measure the accuracy of my precognizance. Will update soon.

It's fucking simple guys, just remove the mental block that makes you try to force your way out, it only makes you tired. You'll know once you're there.

[Malcolm Equis]

Astral projection -Mahadeva (96' RMX) - YouTube

Astral projection -Mahadeva (96' RMX) - YouTube
Video: click to display

[Malcolm Equis]

Originally Posted by Rust

What is it that you claim to do? Have an out-of-body experience akin to a hallucionation, or actually be able to project yourself/soul/aura/whatever in such a manner that you can see (real) things from outside your body?

Because out of body experiences are well documented. Bur "Astral Projection" (which implies an astral plane where your soul/whatever gets to travel and you can gather information about the world remotely) has failed experiments every single time.

if you want to experience something you have to believe it, sort of like a catch-22

[Rust]

Originally Posted by Malcolm Equis

if you want to experience something you have to believe it, sort of like a catch-22

No you don't. You're an idiot.

[dephdiddy]

Originally Posted by bortmackie

I've always been interested in astral projection, but i can never tell if they're a legit phenomena or some sort of weird self-delusions.

I've some experiences I'll chat you later man... nuts.

[Malcolm Equis]

Originally Posted by Rust

No you don't. You're an idiot.

well first you have to believe in it. you're not too bright are you.

[Zanick]

My sister got in her taxi at 4:16, four minutes prior to the time I had predicted. That's actually very close, but the dog was also in the wrong place, and those two misses are not dismissible. Plus she didn't leave the door open like I had seen. In fact, there's no reason she would've left the door open unless she would be reacting to my presence. So in other words, she expected me to close the door, which means she knew I was there. There goes my confirmation

While I still classify this as the phenomenon commonly known as "astral projection" I can't say my perceptions were accurate with any certainty. I can only keep it up and see where I can take this ability now that I've realized how easy it is to do.

[JC Denton]

www.astralvoyage.com

It's not that hard.

Lay down on a comfy bed. First you need to get calm and relaxed, till theirs alpha waves all in your brain. Do some rhythmic conscious breathing and keep focusing on it. Mental concentration is key. Keep doing this until you're in the hypnogagic state. Eventually you'll feel your body start to vibrate. When this happens, do not freak out. Keep your cool. After a while of this you'll pop out in your astral body. The only difference between astral projection and lucid dreaming, is that you pop out consciously. In lucid dreaming you do it unconsciously, and don't become conscious that you're dreaming until afterwards. Take your pick.

[Rust]

Originally Posted by Malcolm Equis

well first you have to believe in it. you're not too bright are you.

No, you don't. I don't need to believe in the efficacy of a medicine (or even know that I'm taking it) to experience the efficacy of said medicine. You're an idiot.

[JC Denton]

Originally Posted by Rust

No, you don't. I don't need to believe in the efficacy of a medicine (or even know that I'm taking it) to experience the efficacy of said medicine. You're an idiot.

Would you say a medication or other form of treatment for a disease would heal someone more if they didn't believe it would, versus a placebo that they believed actually would?

Consider those new age tree-hugging hippies that only use homeopathic medicine and believe allopathic medicine is poison.

[Zanick]

Originally Posted by Rust

No, you don't. I don't need to believe in the efficacy of a medicine (or even know that I'm taking it) to experience the efficacy of said medicine. You're an idiot.

Obviously you don't need to believe in something for it to effect you, but I feel that when it comes to mental practices as well as physical, that self-doubt is only sabotage. Not in a literal sense, but more psychological.

[Rust]

Originally Posted by JC Denton

Would you say a medication or other form of treatment for a disease would heal someone more if they didn't believe it would, versus a placebo that they believed actually would?

Consider those new age tree-hugging hippies that only use homeopathic medicine and believe allopathic medicine is poison.

The actual treatment would "heal" them more. The placebo effect can be quite strong, but it's limited in what it's going to do. You're not going to grow a limb through the placebo effect, for example, but it's quite within the realm of possibility that (future) treatments can regrow limbs.

There are no documented cases (that I'm aware) of someone experiencing sound for the first time because of a placebo, but there are ample cases of people with cochlear implants doing so...