Do you think RC's will ever fade and people will go back to making regular drugs?

[reject]

Originally Posted by DR.PAPADROPADOCALOPALIS

Wow, you're...a lot more dumb than I remembered.


*sigh*

Cry harder.

[AsylumSeaker]

I suspect the whole RCs / legal highs thing will be eclipsed in the next few decades as technological highs begin to emerge. It will be interesting to see how authorities try to respond to electronic, electromagnetic, ultrasound, radiology, etc based manipulation of the brain.

[Haiti's Space Agency]

Originally Posted by cowtipper

https://www.erowid.org/library/books...l/pihkal.shtml


http://www.erowid.org/library/books_...l/tihkal.shtml

i have extensively read most of this book and tried about 25% of the drugs combined from both Alexander and Ann Shulgin tried almost everyone of them

those books are boring how did you read them.

[Lucifereus]

im extremely hifh

[constantinople]

Originally Posted by AsylumSeaker

I suspect the whole RCs / legal highs thing will be eclipsed in the next few decades as technological highs begin to emerge. It will be interesting to see how authorities try to respond to electronic, electromagnetic, ultrasound, radiology, etc based manipulation of the brain.

Interesting. I don't the average end-user could afford that kind of technology though. I imagine the equipment used to say, give someone an out of body experience is incredibly expensive.

http://www.time.com/time/health/arti...655632,00.html

[iMagiNation]

Why aren't nootropics OTC?

[Pure_Nothing]

Originally Posted by iMagiNation

Why aren't nootropics OTC?

Huperazine and Vinpocetine are available OTC as well as a few other things. I'm not sure you necessarily consider those two Nootropics, but they do have cognitive benefits and are widely available at suppliment shops and some grocery stores.

I'd imagine things like racetams and ergoloids aren't OTC because they could potentially fuck with pharmaceutical profits and promote self awareness, which is not on the goverments agenda.

[delysid]

Why don't more people use oneirogens like dream herb, they make you have vivid dreams and even lucid dreams when you smoke/drink them. Not only that but they're perfectly legal and there is little record of them being harmful.

[AsylumSeaker]

Originally Posted by DR.PAPADROPADOCALOPALIS

Interesting. I don't the average end-user could afford that kind of technology though. I imagine the equipment used to say, give someone an out of body experience is incredibly expensive.

http://www.time.com/time/health/arti...655632,00.html

Moores law, motherfucker. That shit will be in an iPhone by 2020.

[constantinople]

Originally Posted by AsylumSeaker

Moores law, motherfucker. That shit will be in an iPhone by 2020.

I agree technology will get there, the funding is another thing though. You have to be able to market your product, and most of the electronic-high video/sound mix things I've seen have been utter tripe. I don't doubt at all it's possible, but I think it would be difficult to make it as popular as something like cocaine.

[Doki66]

Originally Posted by takedrugs_killpeople

There's definitely rc's that are potent enough. Maybe not the majority but there's definitely ones out there that are better than "real" drugs, or at least as good

Which ones are better than real drugs? So Far I feel like the only RC's that have positive potential are 4-aco-DMT, Etizolam, 2ce, and possibly DOC.
jwh-018 seemed to be the best cannabinoid methylone seems like it could be useful in sex/marriage counseling. I don't see much potential for other RC's how ever that is my opinion and I'm not forcing my beliefs on anyone else.

[takedrugs_killpeople]

Originally Posted by Doki66

Which ones are better than real drugs? So Far I feel like the only RC's that have positive potential are 4-aco-DMT, Etizolam, 2ce, and possibly DOC.
jwh-018 seemed to be the best cannabinoid methylone seems like it could be useful in sex/marriage counseling. I don't see much potential for other RC's how ever that is my opinion and I'm not forcing my beliefs on anyone else.

I'd prefer 5 and 6 apb to MDMA, and etizolam is better than any benzo I've tried. Also mxe is at least as good as k, depending on what you're looking for.

[1983]

Who said people ever stopped.

Al

[constantinople]

Originally Posted by takedrugs_killpeople

I'd prefer 5 and 6 apb to MDMA, and etizolam is better than any benzo I've tried. Also mxe is at least as good as k, depending on what you're looking for.

If it wasn't for those damn DEA crackdowns.

[Doki66]

Originally Posted by takedrugs_killpeople

I'd prefer 5 and 6 apb to MDMA, and etizolam is better than any benzo I've tried. Also mxe is at least as good as k, depending on what you're looking for.

Yes I totally left out MXE i feel like that would be benifial to pre surgery because it definetley gives me the bright light/slight near death experience, it also allwos me to go back in time and somewhat change/come to terms with prebirth/early child hood post tramatic stress especially in the right envirement

I had I dentist appointment I forgot about last year in november. The night before I had done 1 gram of MXE if not more my friend told me to go to the store I had insufflated around 400mg. I was told to get 2 fiths of hennesy 23 packs of backwoods and a twelve pack of great white. I was given 60 dollars

I came back with 2 race cars 2 twelve packs of mountain dew four packs of beef jerky it took me 4 hours.

At the dentist office the next morning I was high as fuck the dentist was 35, as she was cleaning my teeth my feet were twitching probably from the coke the night before I was so high on MXE it was perfect. She said, "I make your toes curl don't I? I said thats not all you do and whipped my dick out and she sucked it, she asked me if I was high and I said yea but I didn't tell her what I was high on, she gave me her number and since then we have been having a ongoing secret relationship.. Thank you MXE!

[A$AP Weed Smoker]

Originally Posted by Doki66

Yes I totally left out MXE i feel like that would be benifial to pre surgery because it definetley gives me the bright light/slight near death experience, it also allwos me to go back in time and somewhat change/come to terms with prebirth/early child hood post tramatic stress especially in the right envirement

I had I dentist appointment I forgot about last year in november. The night before I had done 1 gram of MXE if not more my friend told me to go to the store I had insufflated around 400mg. I was told to get 2 fiths of hennesy 23 packs of backwoods and a twelve pack of great white. I was given 60 dollars

I came back with 2 race cars 2 twelve packs of mountain dew four packs of beef jerky it took me 4 hours.

At the dentist office the next morning I was high as fuck the dentist was 35, as she was cleaning my teeth my feet were twitching probably from the coke the night before I was so high on MXE it was perfect. She said, "I make your toes curl don't I? I said thats not all you do and whipped my dick out and she sucked it, she asked me if I was high and I said yea but I didn't tell her what I was high on, she gave me her number and since then we have been having a ongoing secret relationship.. Thank you MXE!

lolmfao you fucking whack job

[reject]

MXE isn't as good as K. You don't hole and it feels like an unclean high.

3-meo-pcp is nice though. 4-ho-met and 4-aco-dmt are just as good as shrooms, although arguably shrooms are an RC too considering how easy it is to buy them on the net.

I dunno, there's fuckin loads of decent RC's if you get passed the kiddy mentality of "if it's not illegal it's not any good".

Ketamine was only made illegal in 2006, before then would that be considered a shite RC?

[STD]

[iMagiNation]

Originally Posted by reject

MXE isn't as good as K. You don't hole and it feels like an unclean high.

3-meo-pcp is nice though. 4-ho-met and 4-aco-dmt are just as good as shrooms, although arguably shrooms are an RC too considering how easy it is to buy them on the net.

I dunno, there's fuckin loads of decent RC's if you get passed the kiddy mentality of "if it's not illegal it's not any good".

Ketamine was only made illegal in 2006, before then would that be considered a shite RC?

You totally hole on mxe, and are we really basing the definition of research chemical on how easy they are to get online?

[cowtipper]

i gave away a dream herb to people in highschool as part of my biology experiment it was calea zacatechichi i forgot the propper spelling or pronounciation but like everyone was much happier and it was awesome talking to people about their dreams a week later i used to have so much dreams herbs of all different varieties please somone recommend me something to take with a nootropic

[vovka351]

many RC's are cheaper and easier to manufacture than drugs of similar effects, thus even if they're outlawed they'll be around.

[constantinople]

Originally Posted by iMagiNation

You totally hole on mxe, and are we really basing the definition of research chemical on how easy they are to get online?

4/2-fa, 25i, 25c, butylone, pentylone, methylone, 4mmc, MDPV, 5-apb, 6-apb are the main ones i think of when I think about "RC's"

[cowtipper]

i used to make durgs called mushrooms somone give this man a cookie

damn i miss it but will never go back

[Pure_Nothing]

Originally Posted by DR.PAPADROPADOCALOPALIS

4/2-fa, 25i, 25c, butylone, pentylone, methylone, 4mmc, MDPV, 5-apb, 6-apb are the main ones i think of when I think about "RC's"

Those are just some of the more well know/abused RC's. They are plenty more out there. As more legislation is put into place, new and different RC's hit the market.

Do you consider drugs like MDMA and LSD to be RC's?

Why or why not?

[constantinople]

Originally Posted by Pure_Nothing

Those are just some of the more well know/abused RC's. They are plenty more out there. As more legislation is put into place, new and different RC's hit the market.

Do you consider drugs like MDMA and LSD to be RC's?

Why or why not?

No; for the same reasons I don't think of Blink 182 as classic rock.

[Figure-8]

I think everything will change.

Originally Posted by panthrax

There is no difference between traditional mainstream drugs and RC's. They are all drugs. When some new RC is made, it's a new drug. It isn't like it's in some special class somehow excluded from the likes of cocaine, methamphetamine, or heroin.

A drug is a drug is a drug. Doesn't matter if it's an RC or crack.

Yes, but there has to be some, at least coincidental, safety in those more original chemicals, no?

[AsylumSeaker]

Originally Posted by Figure-8

Yes, but there has to be some, at least coincidental, safety in those more original chemicals, no?

Only in the sense that they've been more extensively tested. There are probably new drugs which are safer still.

[Dr. Awkward]

Originally Posted by flx88

got some sauce for the ohmefentanyl, curious to try this.

lol. no you don't. do some reading on what happened to the handful of people who have dabbled in the super strong opiate analogues.

[Eridani]

In my experience/opinion a lot (most?) RCs are fairly worthless... where they get interesting is the psychedelics. I mean all the stims if I want something like that I'll just go get some beak. Newer psychs there's a lot of unique experiences there.

Originally Posted by AsylumSeaker

There are probably new drugs which are safer still.

Yeah tryptamines especially if you keep the doses sensible are a lot safer than most street drugs I think.

[arleybob]

RCs aren't potent enough??!

Have you ever tried DOC my friend? I'm assuming not otherwise you would know not to make a dumbass statement like that.

[constantinople]

Originally Posted by arleybob

RCs aren't potent enough??!

Have you ever tried DOC my friend? I'm assuming not otherwise you would know not to make a dumbass statement like that.

Never tried any of the DOx line, but my gut tells me I wouldn't like the extreme duration.

[arleybob]

your gut is probably right

regardless, doc was hella potent

[i poop in your cereal]

No. The guys making RCs have nothing to do with the guys making and transporting "real" drugs. The coke and heroin trade is run by criminal lunatics, the RC trade by nerds and businessmen.

[AsylumSeaker]

DOx last a long time, but ultimately I don't think it can get you more tripping than, for example, LSD or Psilocybin can. In my experience the 'trip' part lasts about the same time as acid, and is somewhat similar to acid - largely introspective and self-analytical.. but then after that there is this big long slow come down, the last 6 to 8 hours of which is characterised by an inability to sleep or rest combined with a great felt need for exactly that. One could hit the benzos at this point, but I find that that is a good way to waste the positive outcomes of the experience - I'd rather spend the time after a trip just thinking about it, rather than in a deep and dreamless benzo slumber.

So, for me, DOx are not very useful substances.

2Cx on the other hand.. whole new range of interesting and different effects and a valuable addition to the entheogenic catalogue.

[CarbonBV2]

Originally Posted by constantinople

Do you think it will ever happen??

Duh, when all drugs are legalized like in Mexico.

[jellyfish]

I always forget about the stims since I like psychedelics so much. I think most of these new drugs will lose their novelty and only a few will go on to become better known and sold by people other than internet vendors. 2C-I, 4-MMC, 4-AcO-DMT, methylone etc might all be popular enough. Other things like MDPV and 2C-P I think will disappear into obscurity once their just as illegal as everything else. Although I think 2C-E is amazing and worthwhile its negative effects are too much for casual users and I don't think it will stick around. Since ketamine is so popular I doubt MXE will really gain a market at all. The NBOMe drugs might become popular as acid rip offs but not as the drug themselves.

[constantinople]

Originally Posted by jellyfish

I always forget about the stims since I like psychedelics so much. I think most of these new drugs will lose their novelty and only a few will go on to become better known and sold by people other than internet vendors. 2C-I, 4-MMC, 4-AcO-DMT, methylone etc might all be popular enough. Other things like MDPV and 2C-P I think will disappear into obscurity once their just as illegal as everything else. Although I think 2C-E is amazing and worthwhile its negative effects are too much for casual users and I don't think it will stick around. Since ketamine is so popular I doubt MXE will really gain a market at all. The NBOMe drugs might become popular as acid rip offs but not as the drug themselves.

m1 is illegal, as are all the 2c-x series..?

[jellyfish]

Yea I forgot, I'm Canadian. I guess out of all the new bans you guys have in the states most of those drugs will disappear into obscurity except the best ones, whose distribution will become the job of gangsters.

[iMagiNation]

Originally Posted by constantinople

m1 is illegal, as are all the 2c-x series..?

Methylone wasn't on the bill that Obama signed.

[A$AP Weed Smoker]

Sittin' 24 inches off the ground
(That's how ya feel)
A young nigga sellin' fruity by the pound
(That's how ya feel)
And I got the best white in the town
(That's how ya feel)
.45 on my lap, it's goin' down
(That's how ya feel)