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Old 06-22-2012, 09:11 AM
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How come in California they don't want guns that have detachable magazines?

How do people load bullets if the magazines aren't detachable?

And I don't understand what "bullet buttons" are about?
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It's kinda like that "let's ban soft drinks that are over 20oz" sort of thinking. The type of idea hemorrhage that we have come to expect from the political leaders that we have empowered.
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Old 06-22-2012, 03:56 PM
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If you go on a rampage, California prefers that you switch guns every 10 rounds.
That way, you have to buy more guns - thus increasing state tax revenue.
It all makes perfect sense in a dipshit hippie lame-o politician kind of way.
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lol cali sucks
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lol cali sucks
You dumb faggot. Didn't you just recently make a thread about wanting to move here? So you couldn't afford it now you bad mouth it what a piece of shit you are.
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How come in California they don't want guns that have detachable magazines?

How do people load bullets if the magazines aren't detachable?

And I don't understand what "bullet buttons" are about?
Stripper clips,
look at the old school bolt action weapons like the M1 Garand, the SKS, the Lee Enfield rifles or the mosin nagant.





You load the bullets into the fixed magazine and discard the stripper clip.
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Old 06-22-2012, 04:34 PM
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A bullet button replaces/overrides the mag release and makes it so you cannot remove a magazine with just your fingers/hand. You have to push the button with the tip of a bullet, pen or other utensil to remove the magazine with a bullet button. I believe they are required on any rifle with a detachable magazine in Cali.
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^^^ That, except that you don't have to use them on rimfire rifles, which includes ar15s with a 22lr conversion kit. You can use magazines of any capacity with handguns and rimfire guns, the trick is getting a "rebuild kit" (google it), but if you want to use a magazine over 10 rounds you cannot use a bullet button with it (anything that makes it legally non-detachable), a bullet button with the bullet button wrench in it doesn't count.







Odd, confusing, and ultimately stupid, but that's the way it is.
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Stripper clips,
look at the old school bolt action weapons like the M1 Garand, the SKS, the Lee Enfield rifles or the mosin nagant.

You load the bullets into the fixed magazine and discard the stripper clip.
Garand is semi-auto, loads with a C clip - not quite the same thing.

SKS is semi as well, but you use stripper clips.
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You dumb faggot. Didn't you just recently make a thread about wanting to move here? So you couldn't afford it now you bad mouth it what a piece of shit you are.
link?

No I don't want to move there. If you're talking about that one dude who I was considering moving with I probed around and he turned out to be a douchebag. So I aborted the whole thing.
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Old 06-22-2012, 06:33 PM
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A bullet button replaces/overrides the mag release and makes it so you cannot remove a magazine with just your fingers/hand. You have to push the button with the tip of a bullet, pen or other utensil to remove the magazine with a bullet button. I believe they are required on any rifle with a detachable magazine in Cali.
Could you use a Norgon Ambi Catch as a 'work around'?
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Old 06-22-2012, 06:51 PM
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If it doesn't require a tool to remove the magazine (can be done with bare hands), then no.
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Garand is semi-auto, loads with a C clip - not quite the same thing.

SKS is semi as well, but you use stripper clips.
I see.
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If it doesn't require a tool to remove the magazine (can be done with bare hands), then no.
Yep, if you can remove the magazine with a finger/hand then it's not Cali legal, so no ambi catch because you use your thumb Mizled.
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I wonder, what if someone's finger was so small that it could fit in the bullet button hole.
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I wonder, what if someone's finger was so small that it could fit in the bullet button hole.
Or what if someone filed down a fingernail to be able press it? Ban pointy nails!
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or perhaps a shooting glove with a little plastic nub on the fingertip
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Old 06-23-2012, 01:14 AM
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If they make it you need a "tool" its very easy to carry a small tool in your pocket, and quickly switch to more rounds, and a bullet is "right there" just as convenient as a finger. maybe even you can keep a bullet in your pocket..

whats the difference between that and a finger? I dont get it?
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Old 06-23-2012, 02:05 AM
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I don't really understand this at all.

Anyone who would consider murdering people isn't going to care about installing a standard magazine release and violating some stupid firearms law.
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Don't try to understand it, the leftist mind is a horrible thing.
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Old 06-23-2012, 04:28 AM
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^^^ That, except that you don't have to use them on rimfire rifles, which includes ar15s with a 22lr conversion kit. You can use magazines of any capacity with handguns and rimfire guns, the trick is getting a "rebuild kit" (google it), but if you want to use a magazine over 10 rounds you cannot use a bullet button with it (anything that makes it legally non-detachable), a bullet button with the bullet button wrench in it doesn't count.







Odd, confusing, and ultimately stupid, but that's the way it is.
That is ridiculous.
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Old 06-23-2012, 04:49 AM
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I don't really understand this at all.

Anyone who would consider murdering people isn't going to care about installing a standard magazine release and violating some stupid firearms law.
Are you crazy, man? There isn't a criminal in the world that would dare break this law. It's totally effective.

+1 California

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Are you crazy, man? There isn't a criminal in the world that would dare break this law. It's totally effective.

+1 California

/sarcasm
Damn straight.
At least it keeps the use of hi cap mags out of the hands of lawful gun owners.
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Nobody's given the OP a serious answer yet.

California has something called an "assault weapons ban."

"Assault weapon" has nothing to do with assault rifle or any other technical term that describes a firearm, it's just a political term that Clinton-era politicians made up for semi-automatic rifles with certain cosmetic features that give them a military appearance. This way, they get to point at something scary looking, convince the public it's a threat, then write up a ban to make it look like they're "taking a hard line" on this "threat" and make a name for themselves.

There was a federal one, but it expired. It didn't really do much because it was written such that you could get ARs and AKs if they didn't have flash suppressors or bayonet lugs. The law was basically "no semi-automatic rifle with more than two of the following features:" and the features included detachable magazines and pistol grips and stuff.

CA still has an assault weapons ban on the books. It's worded differently, you're not allowed to have "a semi-automatic rifle with a detachable magazine and any one of the following features," the features being a pistol grip or collapsible stock or something. What this means is that if you have a fixed magazine, the AWB doesn't even apply.

The California DOJ has ruled that any magazine that needs to be removed with the use of a tool, like the tip of a bullet, isn't "detachable" by law, so a bullet button is basically a tiny mag release that can only be pressed by a small wrench or bullet tip, but will release your magazine normally when operated.

It's... dumb. The fact that these weapons are still available and nothing bad has happened means that the laws were useless in the first place. Furthermore, many "non-assault" firearms are just as deadly and shoot just as fast/powerfully as their black rifle counterparts. It's seriously just politicians trying to look tough and scare the public, and they trample on our rights in the process. Very few crimes are committed with rifles, and even smaller percentages of those are so called "assault weapons." If criminals, like Mexican cartels, want firepower, they will get fully automatic rifles through illegal channels.
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the only good thing about cali is the weed, i tell ya.
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There gonna vote to illegalize the bullet button real sOon sb 249
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There gonna vote to illegalize the bullet button real sOon sb 249
Oh hell nah! From what I'm reading it may only ban mag-magnets:


Eh, I use a wrench anyway.

This would be interesting, it would introduce a ton of assault weapons (legal definition) into the state if it applied to bullet buttons as well.

The moment a mag-magnet is affixed the magazine, legally, becomes detachable, which is illegal, making this law pointless!

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=586660

I don't know what it does.
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Idk that shit is dumb Reguardless. What's next handguns?
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Idk that shit is dumb Reguardless. What's next handguns?
Oh, California has one of those too.

You can't get an olympic target pistol because it's an assault weapon, since the mag well is in front of the pistol grip.

Politicians, man.
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Stripper clips,
look at the old school bolt action weapons like the M1 Garand, the SKS, the Lee Enfield rifles or the mosin nagant.





You load the bullets into the fixed magazine and discard the stripper clip.
Hey thats just like my Lee Enfield But you can either use a stripper clip or manual load the 10 shot magazine
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Don't try to understand it, the leftist mind is a horrible thing.
Hey don't lump all of us with these authoritarian "liberals"
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So the shooters will just have to use bolt action with 20-30 round mags, no big loss. If the bolt is nice and smooth, you can chamber a round fast enough to kill somebody every second or two before you get shot.
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Hey thats just like my Lee Enfield But you can either use a stripper clip or manual load the 10 shot magazine
That /is/ a Lee-Enfield
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That /is/ a Lee-Enfield
I know but up until now I didn't know you could use stripper clips
And I said just like my Enfield because it is not mine
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I can't tell what it is.. but this AK is missing something. my mind just cant grip it
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CA still has an assault weapons ban on the books. It's worded differently, you're not allowed to have "a semi-automatic rifle with a detachable magazine and any one of the following features," the features being a pistol grip or collapsible stock or something. What this means is that if you have a fixed magazine, the AWB doesn't even apply.

I've wondered about this myself; does this apply to pistol-grip shotguns with collapsible stocks?
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^ different set of regs for shotguns, though it only applies to semi-automatic shotguns. Pump/bolt actions can be decked out with all the bayonet lugs and pistol grips you can get.

Which is a terrible loophole! Someone think of the children!
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I can't tell what it is.. but this AK is missing something. my mind just cant grip it
No pistol grip, muzzle break or bayonet lug.
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