Scoentists confirm Higgs Boson within 5 sigma of certainty

[Danger]

Originally Posted by DiStOrTiOn

can you show me one physicist who believes the universe came from nothing rather than a singularity, brane collision, or something of that like which is definitely not "nothing"

Prior to the big bang there was no space, time or consciousness... An "eternal" vacuum...

The vacuum is considered "nothing" to some, and less than nothing to others.. if you consider it "something" then there must be a "cause" for this original "cause". Unless you believe in effects caused by nothing.

[DiStOrTiOn]

Originally Posted by Danger

Prior to the big bang there was no space, time or consciousness... An "eternal" vacuum...

The vacuum is considered "nothing" to some, and less than nothing to others.. if you consider it "something" then there must be a "cause" for this original "cause". Unless you believe in effects caused by nothing.

Blah blah blah. Yes, singularities are something. Branes are something. Quantum soup is something.

Now does this mean you can't find one physicist who claims the universe came from nothing, rather than a singularity (something), brane collision (something), or quantum soup (something)?

[Rust]

Originally Posted by Danger

Care to point out what part of that you actually believe is a good response?

The idiot claims "this is a strange argument of “effect without a cause,” and it simply doesn’t add up" in one breadth, and goes on to propose the existence of a "Great Intelligence" that has no cause in another; apparently oblivious of his hypocrisy and contradiction.

[constantinople]

Originally Posted by Danger

Prior to the big bang there was no space, time or consciousness... An "eternal" vacuum...

The vacuum is considered "nothing" to some, and less than nothing to others.. if you consider it "something" then there must be a "cause" for this original "cause". Unless you believe in effects caused by nothing.

da fuq. get airholes in ya skull

[Danger]

Originally Posted by DiStOrTiOn

Blah blah blah. Yes, singularities are something. Branes are something. Quantum soup is something.

Now does this mean you can't find one physicist who claims the universe came from nothing, rather than a singularity (something), brane collision (something), or quantum soup (something)?

Did quantum soup come from nothing Distortion? is it an effect with no cause? How sure are you?

[Danger]

Originally Posted by DR.PAPADROPADOCALOPALIS

da fuq. get airholes in ya skull

[DiStOrTiOn]

Originally Posted by Danger

Did quantum soup come from nothing Distortion? is it an effect with no cause? How sure are you?

According to you and your sources for philosophical interpretations of actual science, "most physicists believe" the universe "came from nothing" and so if it actually grew from the quantum soup, then the quantum soup is nothing.

Do you still believe a soup of quantum particles is nothing?

[Captain Falcon]

So what IS the Higgs boson? - YouTube

So what IS the Higgs boson? - YouTube
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[Danger]

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Originally Posted by DiStOrTiOn

According to you and your sources for philosophical interpretations of actual science, "most physicists believe" the universe "came from nothing" and so if it actually grew from the quantum soup, then the quantum soup is nothing.

Do you still believe a soup of quantum particles is nothing?

I've already explained to you what I meant by "nothing", no space/time. I know what "quantum soup" is, and real question is------->

Did quantum soup come from nothing?

Is it an effect with no cause? Is quantum soup your god Distortion?

[TheSexyBeast821]

I wonder how many more chances God is going to give materialists to get on board the Truth train.

[DiStOrTiOn]

Originally Posted by Danger

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I've already explained to you what I meant by "nothing", no space/time. I know what "quantum soup" is, and real question is------->

So you and "most physicists" consider something to be nothing when it lacks spacetime surrounding it?

Did quantum soup come from nothing?

Unlike you, I consider it impossible for something to come from nothing. I find it especially illogical for you hippies to say a universe requires magical creator gods for that universe to grow out of a singularity/quantum soup/brane and evolve over billions of years, but magical creator gods possessing concentrated intelligence can come from nothing and automatically acquire that intelligence and magical power. And if you want to claim the magical entities evolved from a quantum soup too, that still doesn't help your argument at all.

Is it an effect with no cause?

Since all of the observable universe today has evolved from once a chaotic, indistinguishable soup of plasma into stars and planets via slow, crude, unabated and undirected processes involving spacetime and the purely physical behavior of particles, there's no good reason why the singularity/quantum soup could not have also developed through undirected processes

[Captain Falcon]

well, it depends on how you definitionally place "something". If "something" "exists", it is part of our universe. Prior to the formation of our universe, I can safely say that there was no "thing" there in a classical sense.

[DiStOrTiOn]

Originally Posted by Captain Falcon

well, it depends on how you definitionally place "something". If "something" "exists", it is part of our universe. Prior to the formation of our universe, I can safely say that there was no "thing" there in a classical sense.

Therefore, magical god entities do not exist.

[Captain Falcon]

Originally Posted by DiStOrTiOn

Therefore, magical god entities do not exist.

not why I don't think God exists, but I'm jus' sayin'.

[Obbe]

Originally Posted by DiStOrTiOn

Therefore, magical god entities do not exist.

pantheism

[DiStOrTiOn]

Originally Posted by Obbe

pantheism

pantheism is just a retreat for theists after their old concepts of god-entities get displaced with better scientific knowledge.




first it was:

why duz water, planets, life exist? God people!

then people discovered that shit comes from physical reactions

why duz physical interactions happen??? God people!

then people discovered force carriers and defined gravity

what do force carriers com frum?? God people!

then people defined the quantum soup

now all they have left: everythang iz god people!!!


pantheism = fucking stupid

[Actor]

Well, something has to be eternal right? Otherwise, why does anything even exist instead of nothing? If nothing is eternal, then it would have already annihilated itself and nothing would have ever existed and us and everything else wouldn't be here rite?

[DiStOrTiOn]

Originally Posted by Actor

Well, something has to be eternal right? Otherwise, why does anything even exist instead of nothing? If nothing is eternal, then it would have already annihilated itself and nothing would have ever existed and us and everything else wouldn't be here rite?

it is far more logical to believe quantum soups, branes, or singularities crunching and inflating to be what's eternal rather than magical god people/entities

[Obbe]

where do branes, quantum soups, and singularities come from?

pantheism is not a retreat, it is actually one of the oldest concepts of god.

[DiStOrTiOn]

Originally Posted by Obbe

where do branes, quantum soups, and singularities come from?

your mom's vagina



praise be to the vagina of Obbe's mother! Everyone should now sacrifice their spermatozoons into the ripened ovaries of the holy vagina of creation

[TheSexyBeast821]

Originally Posted by DiStOrTiOn

it is far more logical to believe quantum soups, branes, or singularities crunching and inflating to be what's eternal rather than magical god people/entities

You aren't knowledgeable enough on this topic to have a valid opinion.

[DiStOrTiOn]

Originally Posted by TheSexyBeast821

You aren't knowledgeable enough on this topic to have a valid opinion.

Tell me why you believe it more logical that magical god-entities, particularly the anthropomorphic (male homo-sapien lookalike) god of the abrahamic religions, can exist with creators, but a universe and carbon-based living molecular systems cannot grow from something primitive without cause into what it is now without magical god-entities having a hand in it?

[TheSexyBeast821]

Originally Posted by DiStOrTiOn

Tell me why you believe it more logical that magical god-entities, particularly the anthropomorphic (male homo-sapien lookalike) god of the abrahamic religions, can exist with creators, but a universe and carbon-based living molecular systems cannot grow from something primitive without cause into what it is now without magical god-entities having a hand in it?

The God of the Abrahamic religions is not anthropomorphic. Like I said, you don't know enough about this subject to have any valid input.

[turboneger]

Originally Posted by Danger

:
I've already explained to you what I meant by "nothing", no space/time. I know what "quantum soup" is, and real question is------->

Did quantum soup come from nothing?

Is it an effect with no cause? Is quantum soup your god Distortion?

mmmmm...quantum soup
*drool*

[DiStOrTiOn]

Originally Posted by TheSexyBeast821

The God of the Abrahamic religions is not anthropomorphic. Like I said, you don't know enough about this subject to have any valid input.

yes, god looks like a human. He sits on a throne. He created the first male homo sapien in his own physical appearance (b'tzellem = physical appearance. B'tzele = essence/ambiguous likeness, a word that was not used in the genesis story).

The bible writers truly believed humans were god-like, and possibly descended from gods but lacking the magical powers.

That, and the fact the gods are all given human personalities, proves without a doubt that the gods of the abrahamic religions look human in appearance.

[TheSexyBeast821]

Originally Posted by DiStOrTiOn

yes, god looks like a human. He sits on a throne. He created the first male homo sapien in his own physical appearance (b'tzellem = physical appearance. B'tzele = essence/ambiguous likeness, a word that was not used in the genesis story).

The bible writers truly believed humans were god-like, and possibly descended from gods but lacking the magical powers.

That, and the fact the gods are all given human personalities, proves without a doubt that the gods of the abrahamic religions look human in appearance.

Your idea of God is so quaint. It's a little bit cute, even.

[DiStOrTiOn]

Originally Posted by TheSexyBeast821

Your idea of God is so quaint. It's a little bit cute, even.

It's not my idea, it's the bible writers' idea of God, which I've taken verbatim from the book those fucking goat-herders wrote.

[TheSexyBeast821]

Originally Posted by DiStOrTiOn

It's not my idea, it's the bible writers' idea of God, which I've taken verbatim from the book those fucking goat-herders wrote.

It's your wrong exegesis of the Bible that's quaint. A human being like figure that exists inside everyone and everything but also outside of everything including the universe? How the hell does that work? It doesn't, so your idea of God needs revamped.

[DiStOrTiOn]

Originally Posted by TheSexyBeast821

It's your wrong exegesis of the Bible that's quaint. A human being like figure that exists inside everyone and everything but also outside of everything including the universe? How the hell does that work? It doesn't, so your idea of God needs revamped.

You can interpret the holy, literal, unambiguous word of God differently all you want, but the bible writers definitely portrayed their main god figure to be humanoid in appearance, and male at that.


Do you think us finding smart, non-humanoid aliens would fucking debunk the shit out of your primitive abrahamic religion? Yes/no?

[Obbe]

Originally Posted by DiStOrTiOn

your mom's vagina



praise be to the vagina of Obbe's mother! Everyone should now sacrifice their spermatozoons into the ripened ovaries of the holy vagina of creation

You don't know where branes, singularities, or the soup comes from. You're an idiot.

[DiStOrTiOn]

Originally Posted by Obbe

You don't know where branes, singularities, or the soup comes from. You're an idiot.

Unlike followers of ancient primitive mythology and god-concepts, I won't claim I know where the origin of the origin of the origin comes from. But based on the observable universe and how it evolved from random chaotic shit, I would guess it too comes from random chaotic shit, and so on, with no magical god people required in any stage

[Obbe]

Originally Posted by DiStOrTiOn

Unlike followers of ancient primitive mythology and god-concepts, I won't claim I know where the origin of the origin of the origin comes from. But based on the observable universe and how it evolved from random chaotic shit, I would guess it too comes from random chaotic shit, and so on, with no magical god people required in any stage

you don't think it's possible those ancients were just calling that random chaotic shit "god"? Why isn't anything magical to you?

[DiStOrTiOn]

Originally Posted by Obbe

you don't think it's possible those ancients were just calling that random chaotic shit "god"? Why isn't anything magical to you?

No, I don't think it's possible, because they didn't fucking know shit about the cosmos, singularities, physics, or even shit about the Earth itself. They invented god-entities to explain everyday shit like why there were clouds, why there was wind, and since they were pretty unimaginative at that time, the only god entities they could think of were based on animals they saw on earth, including people. Even though clouds don't resemble any animal, they would still make up a god resembling an animal and say it's what makes the wind via breathing or some stupid shit

[Obbe]

Originally Posted by DiStOrTiOn

No, I don't think it's possible, because they didn't fucking know shit about the cosmos, singularities, physics, or even shit about the Earth itself.

They don't need to know any of the things we know today to experience "random chaotic shit" and call it god.

Originally Posted by DiStOrTiOn

They invented god-entities to explain everyday shit like why there were clouds, why there was wind, and since they were pretty unimaginative at that time, the only god entities they could think of were based on animals they saw on earth, including people.

What do you base this explanation on? Considering that some religions have been around longer than mankind has been self-aware, the gods were probably not created to explain anything, but simply evolved with man and with his understanding of reality over thousands of years.

Originally Posted by DiStOrTiOn

Even though clouds don't resemble any animal, they would still make up a god resembling an animal and say it's what makes the wind via breathing or some stupid shit

Nobody understands what reality is or why we are here or how any of this came to be. You like to pretend that you do.

[TheSexyBeast821]

Originally Posted by DiStOrTiOn

You can interpret the holy, literal, unambiguous word of God differently all you want, but the bible writers definitely portrayed their main god figure to be humanoid in appearance, and male at that.

No, they didn't.

Do you think us finding smart, non-humanoid aliens would fucking debunk the shit out of your primitive abrahamic religion? Yes/no?

Nope, they would actually probably believe in the same God, just with a different name.

[Actor]

I just jacked off.

I honestly did.

[psychomanthis]

Originally Posted by TheSexyBeast821

The God of the Abrahamic religions is not anthropomorphic. Like I said, you don't know enough about this subject to have any valid input.

And you don't know enough about the true nature of the universe to be of any relevance to this thread, GTFO.

Oh yeah, i just remembered you believe in god because you had a amazing supernatural out of body experience right?

an OBE begins when a person loses contact with sensory input from the body while remaining conscious. The person retains the illusion of having a body, but that perception is no longer derived from the senses. The perceived world may resemble the world he or she generally inhabits while awake, but this perception does not come from the senses either. The vivid body and world is made by our brain's ability to create fully convincing realms, even in the absence of sensory information. This process is witnessed by each of us every night in our dreams, though OBEs are claimed to be far more vivid than even a lucid dream.


An OBE is a defense mechanism designed to deal with the threat of death. According to (Irin and Watt, 2007) Jan Ehrenwald had described the out-of-body experience (OBE) "as an imaginal con- firmation of the question for immortality, a delusory attempt to assure ourselves that we possess a soul that exists independently of the physical body


Blackmore, S. (1992). Beyond the body: An investigation of out of body experiences. Chicago: Academy Chicago Publishers.
Aardema, F. (2012). Explorations in consciousness: A New Approach to Out-of-Body Experiences. Montreal: Mount Royal Publishing
Fodor, N. (1959). The haunted mind. New York: Helix Press.
Ehrenwald, J. ( 1974). Out-of-the-body experiences and the denial of death. Journal of Nervous and Mental Disease, 159, 227-233.

Read the publications then come back with your "supposed evidence" for the divine faggot.

[TheSexyBeast821]

Originally Posted by psychomanthis

And you don't know enough about the true nature of the universe to be of any relevance to this thread, GTFO.

Oh yeah, i just remembered you believe in god because you had a amazing supernatural out of body experience right?



Read the publications then come back with your "supposed evidence" for the divine faggot.

I've never had an out-of-body experience actually. My mind has been outside of my brain, though.

[mafiabro]

I love how everyone's like herpaderpa the higgs boson, when you know damn well that they didn't know or care about the models that included it before its discovery, and only want to sound smart. Suddenly everyone's a fucking scientist because they read news articles on the web.