Question for P6867

[tuer502gt]

What was the best camouflage you've been issued? Which is the most versatile, which one was hardest for the enemy to see , and what environs are they for? Eg which is best for the snow, the jungle, the swamps, the forest, an arid forest etc.

Your insight and experience is appreciated.

[Painzstake]

A ghille suit duh... If you don't mind fucking cooking yourself that is.

Other than that camouflage if so area specific. It may work in one area great and in another horrible. Seeing as nearly every military who's recently purchased multi-cam has the ability to get practically anything, I'd put that up there as 'the best'.

[roasted]

Originally Posted by Painzstake

Seeing as nearly every military who's recently purchased multi-cam has the ability to get practically anything, I'd put that up there as 'the best'.

I disagree with this. Unless you are part of an elite unit, the military doesnt necessarily buy the best equipment. They strike a balance between cost and performance. ACU's (whether they are UCP or Mulitcam) use pretty universal patterns. If the military was equipping soldiers with the absolute best camo, each soldier would have like 20 different uniforms (woodland, autumn woodland, jungle, arctic, mixed arctic, desert, high desert, urban, etc etc etc).

Like you said earlier in your post, camo is environment specific. Multicam is a good general use camo, but the environment specific camo patterns will outperform UCP and Multicam everytime. Multicam is "a jack of all trades, but a master at none"

If you want the best camo for every environment, be prepared to buy a couple ghille suits. I bet in specific environments hunting camo like Realtree or MossyOak would outperform multicam (it would be horrible for urban though)

[p6867]

Yeah, there's no best camo pattern. I like digicam because it breaks up silhouettes in low light and darkness or something, but i don't really remember all the details they were telling me about it and i'm not sure the capt. who explained it knew what he was talking about. I'm good at using concealment and breaking up my own silhouette, but i'm not an authority on camouflage.

[Haiti's Space Agency]

my favorite camo is da invisiwatch

[Malcolm Equis]

security through obscurity

[Snoopy]

Wear the enemy's uniform and pull out your best german.

[The Swede]

Well, the "best" "allround" camo is imo ATACS or Multicam. But the best shit i've seen ever for Northern early winter/spring is the Finnish white/green M05 camo. SOOOOOOOOO SEXY my GOD.
http://www.kamouflage.net/camouflage/00243.php
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http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j2...5224669946.jpg

[Painzstake]

Originally Posted by roasted

I disagree with this. Unless you are part of an elite unit, the military doesnt necessarily buy the best equipment. They strike a balance between cost and performance. ACU's (whether they are UCP or Mulitcam) use pretty universal patterns. If the military was equipping soldiers with the absolute best camo, each soldier would have like 20 different uniforms (woodland, autumn woodland, jungle, arctic, mixed arctic, desert, high desert, urban, etc etc etc).

Like you said earlier in your post, camo is environment specific. Multicam is a good general use camo, but the environment specific camo patterns will outperform UCP and Multicam everytime. Multicam is "a jack of all trades, but a master at none"

If you want the best camo for every environment, be prepared to buy a couple ghille suits. I bet in specific environments hunting camo like Realtree or MossyOak would outperform multicam (it would be horrible for urban though)

I probably could of worded my reply better. I just couldn't really be bothered writing up something overly substantial, for what is realistically a question with which has a rather obvious answer. When I said 'best' I was making reference to the value of the camouflage patterns in question. Obviously as you mention you could simply re-outfit your army to suit every environment they encounter. However not only would this be a logistical nightmare, but a rather costly one at that. Hence me saying Multi-cam to be 'the best' as it flexes into the most categories with the highest level of concealment, break-up ect. And I have no doubt that Multi-cam will soon be superseded by the next 'best' camouflage as with any other product line.

Also the best camouflage for an urban environment is what the people of that area wear, say jeans and a t-shirt. It may also sound obvious but stay away from as many bright colours as possible (if acceptable) and whilst expecting night work use navy blue > black as it doesn't silhouette in the shadows (You'll rarely ever find pure black shadows).

In conclusion, if you've got the money floating around you can spend it on area specific concealment, be that through a ghille suit or camo. And yes many militaries make and still continue to make poor equipment choices but as a general rule they want 'the best' for their soldiers, especially in regards to saving soldiers lives. You can have all the money and have the 'best' equipped military in the world, but with the democratic nations we live in, for a war to be successful you need the support of your people. Casualties in any form doesn't quite help that, in fact it does quite the opposite ie Vietnam, Afghanistan etc. I guess this could be transposed across a multitude of aspects within military budgets, but you get my point. There's a reason why they chose Multi-cam and it's because it gives flexibility in a wider range of environments. Which is what a military does... Goes to a wide range of environments. For a civilian, chose one that matches where you're likely to go, which is most likely hunting around where you live and even then...

btw I'm pretty sure we're on the same page... So I'm more making a discussion than anything else

[tuer502gt]

I use camouflage as a nature photographer. It's fun sneaking up on animals.

I also like it fashionably.

Does anyone think digital woodland/MARPAT is good? What about regular woodland? Should I buy some?

The above is not for fashion, except maybe some long woodland pants to be worn with t shirts and shoes when up to casual activities.

[Painzstake]

Originally Posted by tuer502gt

I use camouflage as a nature photographer. It's fun sneaking up on animals.

I also like it fashionably.

Does anyone think digital woodland/MARPAT is good? What about regular woodland? Should I buy some?

The above is not for fashion, except maybe some long woodland pants to be worn with t shirts and shoes when up to casual activities.

[popo!]

Save this for camouflage enthusiasts people...